Ugh. Why is American public trans full of poor people? Is this what suburban life and thinking did to us or something?Serious question, because I ride the bus. If I'm going to uni, it's full of students but if I'm going to work, it's full of poor people.
Because most people drive cars.
>>5426186>OP is poor
>>5426193What's wrong with public trans though that's the problem
Because poor people who can barely pay the bills slash the massive expense of a car + insurance if they can.
>>5426209It's just that no one wants to use it besides the people who need it, so it doesn't get the funding that would probably bring far more people in. It's a shame, but what can you do?
Because why would you ride with a bunch of other fuckers if you could afford your own car?This is extremely simple, OP. How are you even in college?(not including people who live in dense cities and thus driving is near impossible, like SF or NY)
Pic is trueAlso a lot of middle class ride the bus in Europe from what I've heardMaybe in the bigger cities you see more people using public trans even if they can afford a carI honestly don't need a car when I can take a bike, ride the bus, or walk.
Because anyone who has money will buy a car hence poor people on public transport. Besides If you want to even consider leaving your home city you'll probably need a car or have to pay out the ass for a plane or train ticket, so what's the point in even using public transport?
>>5426222funding? you mean besides the gas to make it run? what, you want stewardess like in Japan or something?bus is for the poor
you're american, OP, you should know this by now. the car is the main way to show off wealth and status. movies show that all the time. if you can afford a car, you're wealthy and good to go. if not, take public transport like all poorfags. that's the way the capitalist system works
Because rich people are busy driving around aimlessly with their 200+ HP Mercedes, BMW or Lexus to show everyone they're not poor.
>>5426209>sit in your own vehicle with the radio stations and music you like. You can carry things in your back seat or trunk. You are able to adjust your own seat for comfort.>sit next to a smelly fucker or a fat fucker while trying to listen to your ipod. Your seat has been used by who-knows-what. It's possible you may be pick-pocketed.Your decision.
>>5426270I honestly never got why people got powerful cars like this when the highest speed limit in America is like 70mph. Focus more on gas mileage not the highest gas mileage you can achieve with a car that can go up to illegal speeds. I like my scooter. Gas efficient, cheap, comfortable, and takes me where I needs to go.
I though that was pretty common in murrika.You can find people of all colour, sizes and class in the public transport here, especially in the city, where having doesn't make any time difference.
Future cars and fuel for rich.. middle class poor everyone else public transport.
>>5426270This. There is no interest in developing public transportation because only "subhuman poor scum" use it. Real rich jewish men drive around in beamers to impress their shiksa mistresses and so frat boys can show off how well off they are.You aren't even considered human in the US unless you have a nice car.
Um, this is because....wait for it...fucking rich people can BUY CARS.Dumbass. You think if you go to England you can see the fucking Queen sitting on the bus? No way. Its for poorfags and if you live in an area with a really really nice public transport system, middle class fags.This is why the bus sucks-Have to wait for fucking bus, wasting time.-Have to sit around and take extra long to get to destination.-Smells bad, people are loud.-Fuck the bus.
Poor people can't afford their own cars and rely on public transportation.What the fuck were you expecting?
Americans get used to riding the bike as a kid or the schoolbus (we ride this until 12th grade but its optional) as a kid so there's probably a stigmaOr they're hit with the sudden responsibility of a car and want to show it off.I like a good city with good public transI really hope all that money spent on underground rails isn't so we can take poor people around
>tfw hate driving / afraid to drive, no license, no car, and no buses near you.Good thing I don't go out much.
The book Fast Food Nation has an interesting theory about how McDonald's and other fast food chains in the 60s were responsible for solidifying the general attitude about cars as the preferred method of transportation. Our infrastructure was built and changed to accommodate the rapidly increasing number of people who own cars. Think about how much space is wasted on parking lots, or about how you can just drive up to a building and received food or pharmaceuticals without having to get out of your car. The unfortunate side effect of this is that in many smaller cities and suburban areas, the car became the ONLY way to get around.
>>5426354>afraid to drive
Because most people outside a city need a car. Sure I could use public transport but it would take me 30mins to an hour to walk to the nearest bus stop. Imagine that shit in winter, would be impossible.Plus the public transport system is horrible in america, outside of major cities youre almost fucked if you miss the bus/train.
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>>5426354you must be drowning in pussy.
is this a good idea:Force the newbie cops to ride the bus to work. Make a deal with bus stations. They get a free ride and they get to control whatever the fuck happens there
>>5426498that's like a certified way nigga thugs getting standard issues police guns
>>5426250Yes, you obviously know far more than the planners in European and Asian countries who invest heavily in public transport and infrastructure.Obviously he's just stupid and doesn't know about cars.
>>5426509Why the fuck is it that Asia and Europe tends to be more public trans riders. Asia also has a ton of bicycles in some areas.Is it because our "culture" is fucking retarded or whatThe SHIT I FUCKING GO TO JUST TO SAVE GAS MONEY MAN
>>5426522>tfw I live in a city with absolutely no public transport.
>>5426522Because driving is expensive here and congested as fuck in a lot of areas. Train lines often lead directly into the city centre since many were built at the beginning of the industrial revolution and so long before the cities were the size they are now. Trains also go as fast as 200mph in some countries - it cuts my journey time to London from 5 hours to just under 3, for example (I live in Newcastle).Tl;dr: Trains get you where you want to be quicker and easier than a car. Buses are for fags, though, I see literally no advantage in them.
>>5426414Well until the '30s America has thousands upon thousands of electrified trams and railways in most small towns and even up to the major cities. The auto companies just created a load of dummy companies, bought them out and then shut them down. It's a real, real shame.
>>5426329>Have to wait for fucking bus, wasting time.Time that would be saved if you took the train that goes much faster than your car.>Have to sit around and take extra long to get to destination.Not if you take the fast train.>Smells bad, people are loud.Go first class, nigger. Free food and huge leather seats - go on your laptop and relax. You can't do that in your car. It's even more luxurious on sleeper trains where there's actually a restaurant carriage.>Smells bad, people are loud.Not in first class.
>>5426569Not really. Our trains suck anyway and it typically costs the same amount to fly and it's faster. Besides there'd be no point for trains to service a huge chunk of the country so a large amount of people would still need cars.
>>5426586Well that's the problem with America. I /could/ fly to London in about an hour for cheaper, but the extra costs of me having to get to my local airport, paying to keep my car there for however long, waiting around in the lounge, getting from the airport to central London makes the whole experience an absolute mess. I'd rather walk 15 minutes to my station, get on a train and sit in luxury for the same amount of time.
>>5426601I can get through airports in a few minutes and it's cheap to store your car here. Again, the US is a massive country and most of the small towns would not warrant a rail line so they'd need a car anyway and if you wanted to go there then you'd need a car and it all snowballs. Simply put, cars are superior for us but maybe not for others.
>>5426615I could understand if it was only 1 state getting huge subway work done but like you said america is huge. I live in upstate ny but I never go to nyc. Wish I could but theres no way to get back here later in the night & the price is like $60 for one way at times which is insane.
>>5426186To be fair, OPs pic is the Los Angeles blue line train which is without a doubt, the shittiest line in the country. It puts the worst New York lines to shame since it passes through so many bad neighborhoods.The other lines are pretty decent. They are full of tourist and people going to work. The blue line is full of drug dealers and homeless people.
>>5426615It's true. Every small town here (certainly used to, not so much since they axed a load in the '60s) has its own railway stations that connect to the major ones. In America that would be an absolute nightmare to work, so I can totally understand why it was never implemented. You only need to look at something like this to see why public transport in big cities is hard to work.http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdf
>>5426186Stop being a spoiled little bitch, OP. You're on the bus too, so you're no better than any of them.In fact, you're worse, you self-entitled, dim little faggot.
>>5426414Suburbs popularized cars, McDonald's solidified it.. and the fat in the driver's arteries. More like CARteries.Suburbs are disgusting. All I do is feel more isolated when I go outside and see nothing but rows and rows of houses, the only thing in walking distance is some shitty stripmall with pizza joints everywhere and only like two local restaurants/bar that's any goodCars are necessary going anywhere in the suburbs. It's not like the city where you can walk hope with shopping bags and only take the bus to work in the business district or fuck knows where, an area where you can probably still walk to anyways if you wanted to
>>5426186Why would it matter if that people are poor or not?As long as they are able to pay their showers (i.e. don't stink etc.) I don't give a flying fuck about their financial status... >>5426498In Germany it is like that (but for all Cops) as much as I know... or at least they thought about it.
>>5426683>It's not like the city where you can walk hope with shopping bags and only take the bus to work in the business district or fuck knows where>and then get shot by poor people who get into fights over colorsI'll take my suburb any day over those slums we call cities.
I heard public transport works really well in some American cities like Portland.You can take a wild guess what the common demographic characteristic among these cities is.
>>5426584Not the fag you're replying to but I live in Columbus, Ohio and there is no train. A city of 1 million people. It's not congested and you can drive through it.Trains are where the wealthier people go instead of the damn bus, too. Why drive a car when the train goes much much faster
>>5426676>Stop being a spoiled little bitchPeople like you is why it's hard to get things done. You have this idea that anyone that expects anything better than the way it is now is spoiled. Quit it, you're making things worse with that kind of pessimistic and overly pathetic attitude of yours.
>>5426662And that's why I'm glad I got out of London. Most people don't realise that the tube's only half the story. There's easily at least 600 stations on that map, it's a fucking nightmare to navigate.
>>5426699>who get into fights over colorsMan the blood and the crips are fucking pathetic. They have no goal, none of our gangs do. They're not like the cartels in Mexico, our gangs are just high school cliques with guns. Our cities are pretty shit but there's a few good ones out there. I'd stay the fuck away from Los Angeles and New York, for example, it boggles my mind how popular they are and well known
>>5426584He said BUS m8, BUS. I have yet to see a public transport bus that has a first class.The train network in the US is complete shit except for the Northeast.
>>5426662I don't know anyone in America who has ever actually taken the train. It's something they see in movies, there are a ton of people who see it as a fucking novelty.
>>5426750I heard somewhere that the rise in rail transport in the past 10 years in Britain is far higher than the total number of people that use trains in America at all. It's a different culture.
>>5426733It's not just the bloods and crips, the poor people here have been doing it since forever. In St. Louis the Poles and Germans used to represent with red and blue(killed each other over it) and now the blacks do as well. I don't understand why poor people get so upset over people's favorite colors.We do have a few decent cities but they're rare and too expensive for most so in the mean time I'll take my boring suburb.
>>5426735I know, and you're right. They're finally getting on implementing high speed rail in a few states though - it's actually quicker than flying in many cases when you take into account the waiting around etc.
uhm guise,is ukbro confusing the train with the subway?just asking because i've got that impression
>>5426802Commuter trains are practically the same thing as subways here. Long distance trains are not.
>>5426761Our freight is fucking great. Passenger trains? Lolno, only passenger rail is the rapid transit or streetcars which are only available in two cities. Coach bus and passenger rail exists here but it's extremely limited
>>5426806thought sothe usbros were "train? i rather take the plane". i knew that America is so advanced, but get airplanes to go to work??
>>5426770I think this is pretty much the only place in the US (or even North America, I think the situation in Canada is not much different) where trains are a sensible option, just like NY is the only place where the majority of people don't have a car.
>>5426806Well I've taken the tube in London and I didn't see a first class section so not sure what you're on about.
>>5426832We have commuter air lines.
>>5426820I hate to think how big the American train network would have to be to be comparable to your average European country's level of coverage for passenger trains. Probably somewhere in the region of a million km of track.>>5426845I was obviously talking about long distance trains. You do get them on some of the longer distance commuter ones into London though which probably only go 70 miles start to finish.
>>5426854Most of our rail lines are for freight and we move tons of it via trains, a lot more than Europe too.
>>5426876Yeah, something like ten times as many ton-km as us I think. I suspect that's got a lot to do with Europe being smaller and the most powerful economies often receiving imports directly rather than having them shipped into the opposite end of the union and freighted over.
>>5426186>Something designed and primarily intended for a certain group of people is being used by that group of people!>OP: Dammit why can't I not care about other people and simply mind my own business? I blame them for existing!Stay classy, OP. But you are right, and if you mean obnoxious people you have a point since I encounter the trashy kind daily. But you just seem like a douche.
>>5426836They're actually attempting that here in Miami. But it's on a much smaller scale.
>>5426876Yeah but in the US the freight trains have priority over passenger trains too, which is one of the reasons why the passenger trains suck so much. We couldn't do that in Europe since our rail lines are already filled with passenger trains during the daytime.Also the biggest countries in Europe are still much smaller than Texas so it's a completely different situation.
>>5426836Nah they need trains for the LA-Bay Area-Sacramento stretch.Los Angeles is the centre of film and television, generally a strong finance hub as well as containing a few other industries there. San Francisco and its surrounding areas contains Silicon Valley and other high-tech. Sacramento is where the state government is.Traffic between there is going to be at like 20 million from 8-10 million currently by 2020 so they are putting in bullet trains.
>>5426903Hey fellow Miamibro, I saw something on local nbc news about a Tunnel or something by the Port of Miami. What's that all about?
>>5426913I meant where it's a sensible option to take the train now, I know it would be a good idea to introduce decent trail services in other places and that there are plans for that.
>>5426937You can get them between most of the major cities, they just go well under 100mph the whole way. It's definitely an experience though.
>>5426925Not 100% sure, but I've heard it's something about connecting the Port with downtown and the highway making travel easier.
>>5426913No. The already started that and it's a huge mess.>early estimates put cost in low millions>voters approve spending>gone up tens of millions and even business groups are calling for investigations>refuse help from Japanese and French rail line companies>approve construction when the state is already $16 billion in the hole>first track to be built in the middle of bum fuck nowhere central valleyIt's a boondoggle and nobody likes it.
>>5427007>refuse help from Japanese and French rail line companiesThe two best countries for high speed rail? Why California? Why?
>tfw your city is practically at sea level, and therefore a subway system is impossible;_;
>>5427020Because the state Democrats are morons and the Republicans are wallowing in their own shit right now and are becoming irrelevant. California will soon become a one party state and it's the party of idiots.
>>5427033>he doesn't think the Republicans are bigger idiots>2012
>>5427035They are but they've been pushed into irrelevancy and now there's no check on the stupidity of the Democrats. They need each other to act as that check otherwise we're completely screwed.
Given the living conditions in the USA are rather good for the poor working class, there's no excuse as to why they should look the way they do. "Poor" people are usually identified by a combination of poor hygene, grooming, manners, and overall presentation. You can be poor and still look clean cut, possibly classy if they didn't make such stupid investments combined with neighborhood cultural mannerisms.
>>5426719No, it's over-sized children like you who expect to have their FAVORITE THING ALL THE TIME despite how it affects other people who are the problem.You're a swarm of fat, pink locusts and you're destroying our country.
>>5427043>>combined with neighborhood cultural mannerisms.Huh? explain
>>5427077I.E. hood behavior in the ghetto, the general loud flamboyant columbian/misc hispanic neighborhood, ect. The area around me is littered with exclusively columbian shops. These people tend to stick together in their own social circle, either because of language barriers (some of them honestly refuse to speak/improve their english) and certain behavioral patterns, usually negative, tend to surface among these type of communities out of ignorance.
Public transportation looks like an awful experience, I'm so glad I don't have to use it. Your picture is the stuff of nightmares, look how close you have to sit to other people. And it looks even worse for trains if they are really the way they're shown in tv shows and movies. The way all those people stand close together packed in the little compartment uggghgghhhhhhhhhh so creepy it's making me sick just thinking about it. I'd much rather drive alone in a car.
>>5427183Yes, we have such a shit time on trains.Get a grip you 'tard. Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.
Would any of you Europeans consider taking a train between Madrid-Moscow? How long would that take? It took me three days to take a train from Cincinnati to San Fransisco.
>>5427183Non-aspies have no problem spending a maximum of 15 minutes sitting near someone they don't know on public trans
Madrid to Paris can be done by the EuroNight 'Elipsos' sleeper train which leaves in the evening and arrives about 12 hours later in Paris. The Paris to Cologne is relatively quick of a very high speed train. You could then get the EuroNight 'Jan Kiepura' to Moscow which takes about 36 hours. Your whole trip would probably be 2 1/2 days.
>>5427347unless you're in Canada and the guy you're sitting next to beheads you.
Dat face when you will never have transcontinental maglev
>>5427358Ah there are other destinations between the two cities. I think one of the problems with the US is that there is just too much empty space to warrant beefing up the rail system.
>>5427405Weird. This is who I was replying to: >>5427378
>>5427405The Elipsos is overnight and doesn't stop at anywhere else big,.The Jan Kiepura actually starts in Amsterdam in the mid-evening, and doesn't stop in Cologne (where you'd get on) until about 10:30pm. There's a stop in Hanover in the very early hours of the morning before stopping at Berlin a couple of hours later at 4:30am. The first place you might want to visit is Warsaw in the morning after the first night, or Minsk in the afternoon. It gets into Moscow in the mid-morning after the second night I think. The timetable I can find only goes as far as Warsaw, because the carriages you're on are actually only attached to the Jan Kiepura, not part of it, and become something else past Warsaw. You don't have to switch train or anything, it's just how it works.
>>5426209>What's wrong with public transIt's takes longer than travel by car(90% of the time). It's dirtycrime. Seriously, was this thread supposed to be rhetorical or could you not figure this out?
>>5427454Except they don't if you have trains that can do more than 70mph. It literally cuts my journey in half in some cases.
>>5427462The trains going through my city don't go over 45 mph because so many high school kids commit suicide on the tracks.
>>5427468The fuck's the point in that? A train hitting you at 45 or 145 will make no difference to whether you survive.
>>5427454All of the buses in my city ( a college town of 60,000) are spotless, efficient and wonderful. I have been to other cities where they looked a little worn, and yes were full of poor people, but the people minded their business as they had shit to do, just as I did regardless of their income, also it was affordable and a nice change of pace given that I didn't have to search for parking, refuel, and got to enjoy people watching or read or text.Driving just feels like a chore, and who wants to pay for parking, insurance, registration, repairs, washing, maintenance etc.? The only reason I can think of for owning a car is to impress others, and most women tell me they don't give a shit about what I drive, and even if they did I'm no insecure, so why would I?I guess owning a truck is handy if you move a lot.
>>5427472They travel at 45 mph between the stations, while pulling into the stations they move at a crawl, so that they can brake in time. It's not a guarantee, but they felt like they had to do something to appease the parents.
>>5427489Can't they get any faster than that between them? That seems grossly inefficient - a much better solution would be making it harder to kill yourselves on the platforms etc.
>>5427495There have been amazing technological advances in the field of fences, and turnstiles.
>>5427509Yes, there have. If it's that bad they should invest in something like this.
>>5427495The stations are only a few miles apart. I guess they could have built some barricades but they are already under negotiations to tear the whole railway up and make a raised high speed rail in it's place. Any more questions?
>>5427546They should quadruple the tracks and have the slow trains along the outside. That's what we do over here.(Bad picture example, but I'm lazy.)
>>5427462I don't know about the UK, but here, or in Germany (yes even with the ICEs), the train is almost always significantly slower than the car and in Germany also more expensive.Also most people keep forgetting that no one actually wants to get from a train station to another train station. If you actually take into account the door-to-door travel time, public transport always loses. Hard.
It is the American tradition to start out as a pioneer in new tech then become shit in it as other nations surpass us.Rail tech, space exploration..........Boeing is still way better than Airbus though.
>>5427603That's exactly the same for this country.
What Toronto (Canada) needs to do is to fix the whole city into accommodating the subway system.
>>5427621But Toronto already has a glorious subway system.
