reported

¡Proletarios de todos los países, uníos!

Proletarier aller Länder vereinigt euch!

>>4470704
oh fuck off and go back to Victorian England

American here the occupy together movement is setting up a people's congress, soviets will come to America

>implying communism wasn't a bullshit excuse Russiafail used to occupy and enslave other countries like my homeland

Proletariusze wszystkich krajów, łączcie się!

>>4470729
Sadly my homeland is still infested with Russian cock suckers like this faggot.

If your the 99%, why don't you just use the Eagles to take the money?

Prolétaires du monde entier unissez-vous!

>>4470725
So what country are you from?

>>4470723

>implying Occupy Wall Street is communism
>soviets will come to America
>soviets

>>4470756
Same one as this idiot. >>4470729

>implying the soviets were originally communist

have you ever read a book? I will explain to you what the soviets were pre 1917 if you would like

>>4470739
eagles are part of the 1% obviously

¡Trabajadores del mundo, únanse!

A bas l'impérialisme américain!

Everybody in here owns a computer thanks to capitalism.

Arbeiders van de wereld te verenigen!

>>4470787
And internet as a result of a government, not corporate, endeavour.

>>4470807
But they only used it for military purposes. It was basically the private sector who brought it into mainstream use.

Lavoratori di tutto il mondo unitevi!

>>4470787
>>4470787
actually everyone owns a computer because governments decided to throw money into their research for decades because they thought it could help win wars

Proletarier der ganzen Welt gegen den US-Kriegstreiberei vereinigt euch!

>>4470787
And we have satellital communication thanks to sovietic communism.

>>4470832

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PC_hardware_manufacturers

Also, I love how you universal egalitarians want everybody to hate people who are born within the borders of the U.S.

Nous soutenons le peuple de l'Amérique latine, d'Afrique et d'Asie dans leur lutte contre l'impérialisme! Notre soutien à la Corée, le Venezuela, Cuba, la Palestine, et d'autres victimes de l'agression américaine et sioniste!

Just as a side observation, communism seems awfully fragile. Whenever people have tried to implement it, it instantly turns into "not real communism", according to any Marxists you talk to.

>>4470840

Sounds a lot like Richard Stallman trying to make us think that just because he wrote everything but the kernel, we should call Linux GNU/Linux.

>>4470851
>implying it wouldn't work if the American imperialists did not engage in embargoes and other sabotage

>>4470857

A common beta tactic, blaming others for one's own failings.

>>4470859
The US has isolated and imposed trade embargoes on the people of Korea, Cuba, and other countries for decades.

>>4470700
Workers of the world unite!
Down with US imperialism!

my native language is English

>>4470864

So you're saying that the great communist nations are in fact dependent on US largess? And that without it, they crumble.

Not my native, but in Chinese it's "全世界無產者，聯合起來！"

>>4470851

Pure communism has never been implemented in the real world.

>>4470869
which I should note isn't literally "workers of the world," but more like "proletarians of the world"

>>4470866
Cuba and the DPRK are not communist. I don't think the person you're talking to has any idea what he or she talking about if he or she is saying that they are.

Trabalhadores do mundo, uni-vos!
Also, as if the US imperialism was the only one. Retarded left will be retarded.

>>4470871
Primitive societies were communistic. Gift economies are the one of the most pure expressions of communism possible, and it just so happens that humanity has its roots in them.

Liquid-fueled rockets were invented by an American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_H._Goddard

>>4470848
Yes, because Chavez and Castro don't oppress their own people.

>>4470881

I meant as a government. I honestly don't think it can work if you have too many people. With 30 million people? No. With 30? Maybe..

全世界工人團結起來！打倒美帝國主義！

>>4470884
After the invention of the steam engine (The necessities for which were developed in the free communes of medieval europe, which were so communistic, Peter Kropotkin devoted two sections of Mutual Aid to them,) all subsequent industrial inventions and innovations were inevitable. It doesn't matter who invented it, because it was going to be invented anyway.

>The U.S. and capitalism are pure evil.

>>4470893
There is no such thing as statist communism. Communism is impossible with the existence of the state.

>>4470893
in "pure communism" there is no government

you have just made yourself look a right bloody fool

>>4470884
Congratulations. BTW the wheel wasn't invented in capitalism, so it's hypocrital to say how great capitalism is while driving your car.

>>4470884
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

>>4470895
False dichotomy. If you fucks cared about NK, Burma, Syria and so many other dictatorships, you would send jobs to China. Hypocrite fucks.

Fuck capitalism! We don't want nice things!

>>4470905
It was invented to make money (i.e. Capitalistic reasons)

>>4470900
Medieval guilds are a blaring example of workers owning the means of production.
Capitalism is worst than what they had during the Middle Ages, but people are brainwashed to worship the French Revolution and the fucking British Puritans.

>>4470894
Of course, the funny thing is that if you go to China today, you won't see much of that, but you'll see a lot of:

你嫉妒我閃亮的新奔馳嗎？

>>4470894
我的印本翻譯workers成無產者...

also 團結和聯合有什麼差距？

>>4470905

Oh jog-on, m8. You'd use any instance of a communist country's inventions to laud-over a market society.

>>4470902
"Communism" will never even have a semblance of existence on a meaningful scale, without totalitarian governments there to tell people how much an individual is allowed to own.

>>4470924
>我的印本翻譯workers成無產者...

google translate fail

>>4470923
Hey, they're just doing what Deng Xiaoping said.

要致富光榮。

>>4470931
There are so many posts in this thread disproving that assumption that I'm forced to believe that you're illiterate, and that you're having your mother or father type these things out for you.

>>4470931
>doesn't know the meaning of Communism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
educate yourself

>>4470932
你沒想到我的國語很差而已嗎？

>>4470923
And yet, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

1965: 我們一定要解放台灣！

2011: 台灣必須回歸祖國！

>>4470919
And to help people (i.e. Communist reasons)

>>4470894
>>4470924
>>4470944
>>4470954
WTF is this shit

>>4470916
Ohh, shiny!

>>4470942
>>4470939

Which is why I said communism would never exist.

The idea was that the resources belonged to everybody, but the population was "represented" by politicians who thusly had total control over all the resources.

Tell me how you can enforce communism today without a totalitarian government.

>>4470954
But that says two different things.

Liberation implies action on the part of the PRC; returning to the mother country places the ball in the ROC's court to make a move.

>>4470961
lrn2GoogleTranslate

Why would the government fuck me over any less than a private individual? Come to think of it, why would communal living be any more enjoyable than the way we live now?

>>4470964
>The idea was that the resources belonged to everybody, but the population was "represented" by politicians who thusly had total control over all the resources.
that isn't the idea at all, learn to read

Workers unite for the lowest common denominator, and a totalitarian government!

Am I doing it right?

>>4470964
>Tell me how you can enforce communism today without a totalitarian government.

You seem to be conflating capitalism with human nature. Now, anyone who has a kid can tell you that the concept of private property is lost upon a child (I have had kids shoplift on so many occasions that I should be in jail by now. When a child sees something that they like, and no one else is using it, the instinct is to take it without paying for it.) but the entire history of humanity seems to go against the assertion as well.

I'd suggest you read Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution by P. Kropotkin and The Evolution of Property from Savagery to Civilization by P. LaFargue. They describe the earliest conditions of humanity as conditions very similar to what modern communists want. That is to say, the means of production are shared in common (not owned by a capitalist class or the state) and what is produced goes to the benefit of the society as a whole, not the benefit of the capitalist or state.

>>4470980

That's how it was implemented in your beloved USSR, PRC, and others.

Nobody got executed, either.

>>4470994
>That's how it was implemented in your beloved USSR, PRC, and others.

Except I don't love those countries, and I don't see them as examples of communist societies.

>>4470984

The earliest conditions of humanity involved living in very small groups where sharing is accepted because you know everyone closely. As soon as you put us in cities of a million people, that stops working. Why force us to act against this? This I suppose is where the idea of the New Soviet Man came from, and we all know whit that derision that ideal was held by the average citizens of the USSR.

>>4470994
>communism never exists and never can exist
>the USSR, PRC and others are communist
pick one

>>4470984

Yet if you browse this /int/ board or any other, you'll learn that people cannot ever get along - much less on a global scale.

You'd have to destroy all cultures and ethnic traditions, and turn everybody into automatons with no aspirations for self-improvement.

>>4470999
Human beings share because of an innate drive to do so. Communism is so bred in to us, that not even 500 years of capitalism has driven it out. Why do you think we donate to charity, to people we've never seen or heard of? We're altruistic by nature. Deal with it.

Я согласен. Ебать Америке.

And when we see the police using force against the protestors, isn't capitalism being enforced by an authoritarian government?
>>4470916
You could also use capitalist countries like Zimbabwe, or Detroit. Countries like Hong Kong didn't lear how to use their natural resources well or hard work, just knowing to administrate finances and enterprises, and recieving lots of foreign money.

>>4471001

They claimed, through and through, to be communists.

Capitalism never existed, either. Nothing exists.

>>4470999
>As soon as you put us in cities of a million people, that stops working.
simple answer, everyone lives in commie blocks

>>4471010

That's greatly oversimplifying and conflating two different things, and what's more I think you know damn well what you're doing. Are you so attached to your ideas that you're ready to lie for them?

"เหล่ากรรมาชีพทั่วโลกจงสามัคคีกัน
!"

"จักรวรรดินิยมอเมริกาจงล่มสลาย!"

So I finished watching Katyn today...
Yeah. no. why can't communism be less oppressive?

All I can see is that communism involves treating people like raw material to be hammered into a new, purer form.

I prefer to treat people like people, valuable for what they are right now, not as something to be pushed into a mold that is deemed ideologically pure.

>>4471026
Alright, I think everyone in this thread can agree, despite any ideological differences, that this guy is a faggot

政治力量的增長，從槍桿子。

--毛澤東

>>4471031
agreed

>>4471014

They were blocking traffic.

The cops were defending the public right to public roads, and the protesters were foul kulaks who were using the public wealth for themselves alone.

>>4471026
All I can see is that capitalism involves treating people like raw material to be hammered into a new, purer form.

I prefer to treat people like people, valuable for what they are right now, not as something to be pushed into a mold that is deemed ideologically pure.

I don't see why to love capitalism. On one hand, is the idea of we should live in community, sharing the wealth, and on the other hand is the idea that everyone should deserve an amount of wealth proportional to his own work. Capitalism is none og them, you can't have huge (almost irrealistic) amounts of wealth, and there's not a fair retribution (in most countries, the worker does all the work and the boss gets all the money), and also wealth is transferible, meaning that you could inheritance, or win the lotery and live all your live like a king without doing anything. Also, is irrealistic, I mean, the crisis does not always happen because the natural resources are depleted or the people doesn't work, but sometimes they just create bubbles of financial hope, that gives you money, even when the buble is just full of air, and then it pops, and suddently, even if you do the same work, you get less money. Today, the value of money is more arbitarie than ever.

>>4471031
Indeed.

Prolétaires du monde entier, unissons-nous !

A bas l'impérialisme américain !

All the communists in this thread said that communism never existed.

Communism will never exist on a national scale.

China and NK aren't communist.

Communism is just pure fail, huh?

I'm one of the proles. Thanks for the concern, Kropotkin, but I'm doing ok.

>>4471044
Sweetie, here in first world countries like the USA, we have these things called "detours." They could've quite easily put one in place to redirect traffic. I know that they're too incompetent in your shithole to do it, but try and keep up with the first world ^_^

>>4471026
Yeah, it's much better to be treated as a commodity, like people are in Capitalism.

>>4471050
>Capitalism is none of them
>you can have huge
fix.d

communism
>work hard
>government can take everything away from you at a moments notice

capitalism
>work hard
>get laid off so your company can move to another country and pay its works in rice.

Arbejdere i alle lande forener eder! Ned med imperialistiske krigsliderlige!

>>4471058
>All the communists in this thread said that communism never existed.
It hasn't.

>Communism will never exist on a national scale.
Sweetie, that's because in communism, there is no state.

>China and NK aren't communist.
They aren't. Countries can't be communist, sweetheart. If you're trying (and failing) to say that they're socialist, they're not that either. In socialism, the system of governance is supposed to be fully accountable to the people.

>Communism is just pure fail, huh?
Nope.png

Everybody stop using your capitalist computers for browsing capitalist 4chan, and finish typing your assignment for that political science class.

Don't forget to visit J-List.com later.

세계의 노동자가 단결! 아래 미국의 제국주의와 함께!

>>4471095
>HURR DURR
Sweetie, stop using your body, which is a direct descendant of early human people who didn't operate on a capitalist basis, if you're so pro-capitalist.

>>4471083

Then you should delete all the Soviet pics on your capitalist hard drive.

>>4471113
then what did they use those ancient coins for?

A munkavállalók a világ egyesüljetek!

>>4471114
>Then you should delete all the Soviet pics on your capitalist hard drive.
logic

>>4471114
>implying my hard drive was made by capitalists

>>4471125
Well, it sure wasn't made in North Korea.

>>4471119
>implying cave-dwellers used coins
Oh, that's cute. You're trying to smart :D

"Something else happened during that chaotic scene, something that convinced Chen of the monkeys' true grasp of money. Perhaps the most distinguishing characteristic of money, after all, is its fungibility, the fact that it can be used to buy not just food but anything. During the chaos in the monkey cage, Chen saw something out of the corner of his eye that he would later try to play down but in his heart of hearts he knew to be true. What he witnessed was probably the first observed exchange of money for sex in the history of monkeykind. (Further proof that the monkeys truly understood money: the monkey who was paid for sex immediately traded the token in for a grape.)"

http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007177.html

>mfw people say capitalism is the cause of prostitution

>>4471119
>then what did they use those ancient coins for?
good question, what did wondering hunter gatherers use ancient coins for?

>>4471124

"The Soviet Union wasn't socialist. It's heresy!"

>>4471133
I don't think hunter-gatherers wore Lenin shirt pins and sang the Internationale, do you?

>>4471133
So we should be hunter gathers again?
Great idea!

Arise, you prisoners of starvation!
Arise, you wretched of the earth!
For justice thunders condemnation:
A better world's in birth!
No more tradition's chains shall bind us,
Arise you slaves, no more in thrall!
The earth shall rise on new foundations:
We have been nought, we shall be all!
'Tis the final conflict,
Let each stand in his place.
The international soviet
Shall be the human race
'Tis the final conflict,
Let each stand in his place.
The international working class
Shall be the human race

We want no condescending saviors
To rule us from their judgment hall,
We workers ask not for their favors
Let us consult for all:
To make the thief disgorge his booty
To free the spirit from its cell,
We must ourselves decide our duty,
We must decide, and do it well.
'Tis the final conflict,
Let each stand in his place.
The international soviet
Shall be the human race
'Tis the final conflict,
Let each stand in his place.
The international working class
Shall be the human race

>>4471133
but then hunter gathers became smarter and realized they could domesticate plants and animals, allowing other people to go find other hobbies such as studying a trade, which they could then sell to make money and buy food.

>>4471127
The DPRK is a deformed workers' state that has deviated from the correct path of Marxism.

Socialism isn't some kind of utopia, the second socialism becomes an unscientific utopia and stops being a practical goal that is achievable, it loses all valuable meaning in human society.

Socialism is also not supposed to be a democratic system, because democracy implies the 'people' as a whole, without class distinction, socialism would be more rightly be called democracy of the working people.

Socialism is not a government of the people, but an administration for economic production.

Also, why do people keep calling North Korea communist? They have private property.

Proletáři všech zemí spojte se!

我们一定要解放美國!!!!!

>>4471186
Ha ha, very funny (sarcasm)

>>4471141

Communists are primitivists.

>>4471186
>Using Traditional and Simplified Chinese in the same sentence

Christ, why did I do that? This is why every computer on Earth should be able to type Chinese.

Người lao động trên thế giới đoàn kết lại!

>>4471156
You sound like a Ph.D. in History and Economy.

Wahai pekerja di seluruh dunia marilah bersatu dan jatuhkan dasar imperialisma Amerika syarikat!

相反，西方的宣传，西藏是一个封建社会前向后，我们解放。

>>4471209
It took me a few minutes to figure out that that was Indonesian.

>>4471208
no but i read books.

How are communists "primitivists"?

The basic component of the modern economy, especially since industrial revolution, is the surplus. When labor is combined with a means of production, ie a factory, a surplus product is produced.

The owner of the means of production can thus sell or trade that product. In capitalism the surplus product is appropriated (stolen) from those who produced it (labor) by those who own the means of production (capital).

In socialism the means of production are the property of those who work, and thus the rents and income accrued from such property do not go to the capitalists, but to the working people as a whole, as represented by a public administration.

>>4471226
well good anon it is not, its Malaysian although we have similar word but we have a different way to pronounce it. but congrats on finding it out

Proletaarit maailman yhdistyä vastaan amerikkalaista imperialismia!

>in your native language

Having multiple languages is inefficient.

>>4471236
>>4471226
IIRC, Indonesian doesn't use the Western alphabet.

>>4471244
I think they use more dutch than english I think, Malaysian uses many english, and old colonial language in their word system

>>4471244
>>4471236
Indonesian and Malaysian are the same language.

>>4470894

So apparently 美 means U.S., and beauty?

>>4471253
yup albeit a small difference, but still understandable

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_language

Indonesian is a dialect of Malay and it is written in the Western alphabet.

>>4471263
It's like the American version of the english and the England version of the english

>>4470851
You understand that no country ever claimed to reach the state of communism?

>Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
Yes
Communism sucks gay ass.
also, you need to be a fucking TOTALITARIAN state to make communism work....

I DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN CHINA

>>4470964
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-communist

Altough I prefer Anarchosyndicalism with a strict democratic organization of the corporations.

全世界工人联合起来！

打倒美帝国主义！

>>4472283
>Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
>Yes
That would be a pro communist statement.

>>4472299
lol no
> communism
>private property

>>4472303
>private property = means of production
You couldnt own a factory and pay workers to generate profit for you, but you can still own other stuff...more shit than others when you work harder

Buruh di seluruh dunia, bersatu!

Jatuhkan imperialisme Amerika!

>>4472315
>You couldnt own a factory and pay workers to generate profit for you, but you can still own other stuff...more shit than others when you work harder


that is what teenagers actually believe, in cuba you dont even own a bicycle...

its communism because the state owns everything

Gweithwyr y byd uno!

I lawr gyda Unol Daleithiau imperialaeth!

Proletari din toate ţările uniţi-vă! Jos cu imperialismul american!

>Workers of the world unite!
¡Trabajadores del mundo, únanse contra flojos que no trabajan!
>!Abajo el comunismo Ruso!

Οι εργαζόμενοι όλου του κόσμου ενωθείτε! Κάτω ο αμερικανικός ιμπεριαλισμός!

>>4472353
cerdo capitalista

Пролетарии всех стран соединяйтесь! Долой американский империализм!

Proletarier aller Länder vereinigt euch!
Nieder mit dem amerikanischen Imperialismus!

Manggagawa ng mundo magkaisa! Ibagsak ang imperyalistang Amerika!

To be fair, a clean and intelligent government is superior to ANY form of political or economic strategy. But we don't live in a perfect world aight?