I'm actually finding it hard to get a handle on what their demands are. Any chance of summary or a link to a summary?

bunch of faggots who want everyone richer than them to pay off their $150k in art school debt

the whole "corporate greed" thing is a ruse. they want free money for being lazy shits

Tea Party of the ultraleft, but less coherent.

I don't think there is an official list of demands, but this pretty much sums up what they want:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/suggested-list-of-demands-from-former-wall-street-/

http:// www occupytogether org/
heres a link that explains some of it
http://www. scribd.com/doc/67837516/Occupied-Wall-Street-Journal and a paper they started

>sick basement dwellers bitching about people who actually go out in the streets
Yeah, they're all faggots.

I'm a leftist, but that whole thing is just laughable.

They're sitting around, disorganized with no real centralized force trying to change things that they don't understand.

I mean, they're there as "leftists" eating McDonalds, buying souvenirs and being the living definition of hypocrite.

They're just stamping their feet and not doing anything to induce change.

Here's how you do it: You make a list of causes with the group, and the entire crowd goes on a series of peaceful protests targeting that one cause. And by 'peaceful protest' I don't mean 4chan memes on signs, I mean hunger strikes. But obviously that's too hard for these fat pseudo-hippies.

I don't support violence, but they could at least be destructive to property. Destroying important symbols and forming blockades to truly 'occupy' Wall Street. But that would mean the cops would yell at me and that's scary.

Fucking Americans can't into protest.

>>4458639

I'm really getting tired of this imaginary narrative.

College liberals with shitty liberal arts majors who want the government to fix their mistakes for them. They're all upper middle class and are upset they can't live off their parents forever and actually have to pay for their Apple products and Starbucks themselves.

The sad part is that there is a problem but these fuckers are not the ones who will fix it and will only make it worse.

>>4458672
heres how i would organize thousands of people

ok if its so easy do it fat ass

>>4458697
>clearly biased political cartoon

I hope, etc.

1. Organize massive general strike
>Oh, wait, only 13% of American workers are unionized.
2. Don't let the criminals get into their offices to screw the American people
>Oh, wait they're afraid of the police kicking their candy asses.

It's idiotic, insofar as they believe that they can get rid of corporate greed without getting rid of the capitalist system.

>Wall Street criminals steal huge amounts of money from tax payers.
>No, we gotta respect their property.

>get 200k $ student loan
>get useles arts degree
>hurr we 99%

if someone gave me 200000 dollars, i could open up a small company and it would be profitable within six months.

>>4458609
It was the second day that war protesters and union members joined the Occupy Seattle group, which has been protesting corporate greed for a week.

"It's time for them to pay their fair share!" yelled one Occupy Seattle protester.

Yet some of the protesters continued to keep paying corporate America.

The supervisor of a Westlake coffee shop owned by a giant worldwide Seattle-based coffee chain said business is booming during the protest.

One protester, who was seen sipping a cup of "corporate American" brew from that chain, said, "I don't know what to tell you about that. I got the coffee so I could get the change for the bus to get back home, to tell you the truth."

As Hardwick observed: "You've got to talk the talk and walk the walk. Some of these people do, and some of these people don't."

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/More-arrests-in-week-long-Occupy-Seattle-protest-2210226
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>>4458693
Wall Street protester detected.

Very simply, where did people find out about the Wall Street protests? From a website, or an image off another blogging site like tumblr.

>In mid 2011, the Canadian-based group Adbusters Media Foundation, best known for its advertisement-free anti-consumerist magazine called Adbusters, proposed a peaceful occupation of Wall Street to protest corporate influence on democracy

Why didn't these guys just pick one topic? The "Protest Wall Street" or "Occupy" pages could have a series of online polls where they target the most important issues one at a time. They obviously have made a list of demands, now focus on one each time.

Or better yet, you can have a non centralized group protest, but invite people to come in groups targetting a certain issue, or with political parties?

>>4458708
But they want to get rid of the capitalist system. They want a planned economy, because they read Marx in high school and it's going to work, trust me!

>>4458690
She actually blame her situation on politics and capitalism?

>>4458717
No, they don't. I've actually talked to these chucklefucks, and they have no interest in any system other than capitalism.

Like you, they think the only alternative to capitalism is a state-run command economy.

>>4458708
They nurture the same exact Capitalist beliefs than their masters. That's the only reason it's going to fail.
At least, they could have the decency of eating in Mom & Pop pizzerias and delicatessen. Jesus, they're that retarded.

>>4458699
>cartoon
I'll bet you think bill o'reilly is supposed to be informative, don't you faggot?

Seriously, look at these young liberal faggots who just want hard working people like me and you pay off their debt from getting their art school degree.

Lazy ass commies.

>>4458719
She's a woman, so she thinks everything is other people's fault.

And she's a liberal, so she thinks everything is the rich people's fault.

legit complaints no damn idea how to solve the problems an retarded suggestions.

the whole plan is kinda stupid. move into a place and demand they close. obviously they have nothing to gain if they do that and everything to lose.

Tea party went opposite. one day protests move on when your done. go back to work the next day. all with the goal of voting out the people you don't like. Dems or bailout Republicans. They achieved their goal mostly. That what happens when you are a bunch of elderly people instead of a bunch of kids.

Dear hipster faggots,

I hear the military is hiring.

- Anon

>if I block traffic people will listen to me

>>4458690

>more imaginary narrative

I love how you seem to know the life story of every single protester.

>>4458717
They don't know what they want, actually.
And, planned economy is not communism. The goal should be the ownership of the means of production by the workers. It's very simple, but amazingly enough both left and right are too stupid to understand that.
Money is not a commodity.
Time is not a commodity.
Health is not a commodity.
Education is not a commodity.
Human lives are not commodities.
People don't understand the basics of human dignity. Good luck with your protests.

>>>/b/
keep /b/ shit in /b/
reported

>>4458734

You tell 'em, tiger.

>>4458717
>>4458717
No, they don't. They probably haven't even red Marx.

>>4458723
You talked to them? Tell me more, you're like Jesus with the lepers. God these people are dumb. How many of them have read a book on economics? On politics? It's not hard to educate yourself.

>>4458724
PRECISELY. You can't fucking drink Starbucks and say "I don't want to give these people power!" But you give them power every single fucking day.

The thing is, I'm not against a little bit of consumer goods. Even the most famous anti-capitalists had books from big publishing companies, right? But there's a difference between "I have an iPod and I take very good care of it" and "I need to buy a new Macbook and I need a speaker and I need a new portable charger and...". There's a difference between having a Starbucks muffin and supporting those cunts twice everyday.

Little stores, 'mom and pop' places give bigger proportions, the people are incredibly sweet, and most of them are run by Asian immigrants which will give you beer without asking for ID.

>>4458717

>But they want to get rid of the capitalist system

No, they don't. What's happening on Wall St is not capitalism. That's the fucking point.

THIS THREAD IS MUST OF HOW TO SEE THE TRUTH..
YOU WANANBE ELITE NIGGAS MAKE ME PROUD!

your Bernie

>>4458745
WWII veteran? He should be fucking dead by now.

People who contribute nothing to society deserve nothing from it.

I don't get the whole dept angle.

Is college that expensive in the US? How can they rack up $200k?
Everyone online says that you can get scholarships and government support and pay nothing at all.

Also, they can calculate exactly what their education will cost them before they start to study and there are statistics about the average pay and job opportunities for certain degrees.
They are in debt because they are idiots, not because of Wallstreet assholes.

They should really demonstrate for a completely free university education for everyone who wants one and qualifies instead of whining about the cost after they threw tens of thousands of dollars on a hobby degree that's pretty much worthless.

They made my generation care about the way they are governed.

Something I thought completely impossible.

They have my full support.

>>4458762
>A system wherein private property is owned privately is not a system wherein private property is owned privately.

gg no re.

>>4458767

Just read Ayn Rand, huh?

>>4458757

>PRECISELY. You can't fucking drink Starbucks and say "I don't want to give these people power!" But you give them power every single fucking day.

implying you have the power to switch to other coffe when starfucks owns the whole market.

reported

>>4458690
lol stupid whore

>>4458769
>Is college that expensive in the US? How can they rack up $200k?

Because they're retards who spend most of their loan money on luxuries (therefore they have to take out more loans) and pick majors with absolutely no worth in the jobs market.

>>4458757
>>4458757
>my tripcode was wrong the whole time
Oh God. I feel like I've been wearing my shirt inside out.

>>4458748
I like you. Keep posting.

>>4458745
You're right, I feel people are being pretty judgemental. I've obviously done it this whole thread through. But who are the majority of people in those crowds? Piss off twenty somethings.

With that said, I feel sorry for them. This protest isn't about changing anything, it's about expressing a feeling of sadness that has swept the Western world.

>>4458757
>Asian immigrants which will give you beer without asking for ID
Report them to the police; if there's justice they'll be deported.

>>4458773
>They made my generation care about the way they are governed.

Not really, they just activated your generation's victim complex.

I HAVE A BETTER QUALITY OF LIFE THEN 99% OF AMERICANS I'M BEING OPPRESSED

>>4458767
why didn't you kill yourself, yet?

>>4458786
Your tripcode didn't change.

>>4458783
Actually, if you talk to physics and math majors, they'll tell you the same thing as someone who majored in Women's Studies. The cost of a college education is rising at an extremely high rate.

>PRECISELY. You can't fucking drink Starbucks and say "I don't want to give these people power!" But you give them power every single fucking day.

>BWAAHHH!! YOU GIVING THEM YOUR POWER!
>BWAHHHAAA YOU ARE ALL FAGGS WHEN YOU CALL FOR PROTESTS AND WANTING POWER BACK


ok you retard. whats your point exactly?

>>4458769
>They should really demonstrate for a completely free university education for everyone who wants one and qualifies instead of whining about the cost after they threw tens of thousands of dollars on a hobby degree that's pretty much worthless.
This.

>>4458779
How about not drinking coffee? It's not that hard.

>>4458783
It doesn't matter that some degrees are 'worth nothing on the job market'. People should be able to learn about history, philosophy, foreign language, etc. They might not make it into the 'job market' but they're important things to understand.

I personally think that people should have the option of writing the exam for free and not take the course. Like the education system tells you what to study, and you can study on your own time. Then you can take the exam for free and get yourself a degree.

The only issue is things like medical degrees, but in that case you go to medical school which I don't think would allow that.

>>4458783

>pick majors with absolutely no worth in the jobs market

Awww, you're adorable. Because everyone with an econ or finance degree has a job now, right?

Certainly, the higher unemployment rate recent college grads face has to do with an influx of art and film degrees, and not the downfall of the economy, right?

>>4458779
Espresso machines go for 40 bucks
grinders for 30. Coffee beans 7- 10 bucks. I make my own.

>>4458783
Picking majors with absolutely no worth in the jobs market is only a problem in a society where one has to pay for education, which is terrible to begin with.

I need about 350€ a month to live (that includes rent and high speed internet) and I pay another roughly 280€ per semester to my university.
That puts me at less than 5k€ per year and I lack nothing.

>>4458672
Destruction of Property? Anarchist, little punk.

It's bad enough assholes like you trashed my dads store, at the G20 G8 a while back, but to see these little fartmunchers out of prison plotting terror attacks (that's right terror attacks, to local business) is beyond rage worthy. Anti social little fucks, we actually had fucking American teenagers cross the borders just to wreck our city, and all these cowards do i hide behind bandana mask, looting like a pack NlGGERs at the LA riots. I was there that week, and I beat the ever living shit out of this one hooded asshole that climbed through a broken window of a shop. Then, I laid his ass out on the street, for his "kind" to take him back. They just let the guy bleed there, and continued to shout their bullshit.

You work for what you earn, the world owes you fucking nothing, and the sooner bitches like you realize this, the further along you will be in your shitty life.

Eat shit Aanarchist hipster bitches, go back to Reddit where you can go mangle an arabs cock.

>>4458799
>How about not drinking coffee? It's not that hard.

how about you kill yourself? will solve many of your problems

The misguided butthurt in this thread. LOL.

Whenever someone protest, badly I'll admit, about something worth while, 4chan just bitches about it.

Whenever some socially dysfunctional people congregate by the dozen while wearing Guy Fawkes masks its OMG, WE ARE LEGIOUN, WE DONOT FORGIVE we do not forget

>>4458779
Do you even need to drink coffee? That's like arguing you have no choice in diamonds because DeBeers owns almost all jewellers.

>Humanities degrees are not necessary.
>Art, Music, Literature, Philosophy, History are hindrances to progress.
Spoken like a true cog in the machine.

>>4458800
>Because everyone with an econ or finance degree has a job now, right?


You do realize finance and econ degrees are also worthless right?

>Certainly, the higher unemployment rate recent college grads face has to do with an influx of art and film degrees, and not the downfall of the economy, right?

It's both.

>>4458788

I know you would like to dismiss it so easily lest you find yourself under the burden of caring and standing up to the measurements of proving your own self worth; but no. They're pissed about corporate personhood, Glass-Steagall, Citizens United, and a shitload of other things previous generations had no grasp on either because they were yet to come or because they didn't have the damn internet.

But I'm sorry you can go back to raging about life passing you by and paying you no notice. Safe in your cave of cynical self defeatism.

>>4458803
What I want to say with that is, that I have no idea how one can spend 200k dollars on a 5 year education.

Thanks to government handouts I only have to pay about 300€ per year out of my own pocket too.
That's pretty neat.

>>4458810
Let's take an example from that. The anti Scientology protesters. Unless I'm very much mistaken, I don't recall that many of the protesters gave the cult thousands to take OT courses.

>>4458819
>You do realize finance and econ degrees are also worthless right?

$100 K starting for an econ degree at major businesses. They're not worthless, the market is just over-saturated with them, like almost all other degrees.

>>4458804

your da if fucking idiot who cant handle shit.
you also are poor fags who cant get proper insurance or hold money back for such situations.
eat dicks and die you poor fagg.

>>4458658

This much less ridiculous than the other list I saw. The other list included ending nuclear power, open boarders and a complete wipe-out of debt for the entire planet.

>>4458804
>Oh, they destroyed my dad's store
>I won't get allowance this month.
I feel your pain. Well, not really. Also, your dad is a fucking retard who doesn't have insurance.

>>4458790
Thanks for making me feel better, tripfriend.

>>4458797
Firstly, I don't recall attacking you personally. I did insult the integrity of the protests, but that was aimed at the group rather than an individual. So you calling me a retard is just proof u mad.

Here's my point: Me and my girlfriend are vegetarians for environmental reasons. Because we're veg for 'green' reasons, it would make no sense to still eat fish like some vegetarians since that is just as bad, if not worse, on the environment. If you believe in something, you need to live it. You shouldn't be a hypocrite.

But if you are a hypocrite, you need to own up.

And what does this mean in regards to Wall Street? It means that these people generally are against big business and corporate power. Okay, sounds fine with me. But you don't turn around and say "I hate these people" and then use the things they provide for you at the expense of others. It's hypocritical and makes you look like a spoiled child saying "I don't like big business running my life! But I want my macbook and my Starbucks coffee and my iPod!".

It's about having some integrity.

>>4458827
That's what makes them worthless. There's nothing wrong with Art programs or Business programs, it's just that they are being overstaturated since thousands of students graduate with one every single year

>>4458817
>>Art, Music, Literature, Philosophy, History are hindrances to progress.

They are worthless. Why do you think you need a piece of paper to be competent in those fields?

I can go learn history for free on the internet.

>>4458826
>Let's take an example from that.

You need to learn to take examples then.

Scientology = Pervasive, practically inescapable capitalist system

LOL.

>>4458769
>"College debt shows up a lot in these stories, actually. It’s more insistently present than housing debt, or even unemployment. That might speak to the fact that the protests tilt towards the young. But it also speaks, I think, to the fact that college debt represents a special sort of betrayal. We told you that the way to get ahead in America was to get educated. You did it. And now you find yourself in the same place, but buried under debt. You were lied to."
> - “Who are the 99 percent?,” Ezra Klein, The Washington Post

Personally, I support them. The high percentage of the American political system that is essentially a corporate oligarchy is ridiculous.

They're complaining about the fact that Wall Stree wrecked the economy three years ago and nobody's been held responsible for that. Not a single person has been indicted or convicted for destroying 20% of America's net worth accumulated over the course of two centuries. That's the real truth of the matter.

They're people who don't think we should have 24 million people in this country who can't find a job (and no, shut, up, this isn't just a case of 'WORK HARDER), that we should 50 million people in this country who can't see a doctor if they're sick, that we shouldn't have 47 million people in this country who need government help in order to feed themselves, that we shouldn't have 15 million families who owe more on their morgage than the value of their home.

You know that picture that has two headlines, one that says 'Guy stole $20, given twenty years' and 'CEO stole $20 million, given six months'? Yeah, it's shit like that.

>>4458830
>Enjoy dying in welfare
You say that like that's a bad thing...

>as the world starts getting more competitive and manual work becomes obsolete
That's a problem that can be solved (though it won't) and is not a result of some kind of natural development (unless you consider corruption and the deliberate destruction of societies for profit natural).

>>4458840
The issue is that there are fairly few degrees with any actual demand.

>>4458841
Yeah, why do we even have any kind of institutions to teach people, just rent halls for exams every few months and let people teach themselves.

>>4458845
>You know that picture that has two headlines, one that says 'Guy stole $20, given twenty years' and 'CEO stole $20 million, given six months'? Yeah, it's shit like that.

Did you know that the guy who stole $20 committed armed robbery, a felony, while the guy who stole $20 million didn't actually steal the money, but his incompetence let the guy who DID steal the money (and was sentenced to life in prison) go through with his plan?

>>4458804
>>4458804
>Anarchist, little punk.
Firstly, not an anarchist.

>you trashed my dads store, at the G20 G8 a while back,
>implying that wasn't the police
>implying when I said destroy property I meant small businesses and not the publicly and corporate owned goods
>implying I endorsed it, whereas I actually supported peaceful protest but said if they were going to be violent they could target property owned by rich people rather than hurting individuals physically

Bawww louder.

>NlGGERs at the LA riots
>I beat the ever living shit out of this one hooded asshole
>I laid his ass out on the street, for his "kind" to take him back.
And you're saying they're the sociopaths?

>he world owes you fucking nothing
We should create a world where human beings receive food, water, education and healthcare. All beings deserve this in order to function.

You seem upset.

>>4458806
Wow you're so edgy.

Actually, it would be better for people to start adopting rather than having kids. So in the sense of the environmental impact of each human being, you're right.

>>4458857
>Did you know that the guy who stole $20 committed armed robbery, a felony

Did you know that he took the money back, and apologized? Yeah, that's the important part of the story.

>>4458830
Yeah, I so much want to live in a world populated in overworked engineers who don't know other forms of entertaiment than watching porn and other culture than commieblocks and 12 hour shifts. Even the most primitive cultures have actors, singers and storytellers, once we get rid of artistic extression because it isn't productive and focus purely on the practical pur very existence will become meanningless.

>>4458831

I thought this one drafted up for #occupydc has been one of the most actionable, achievable, and legal coherent set drafted thus far.

http://occupywallst.org/forum/specific-demand-and-action-list-for-washington-dc/

But on the same note I've hardly been combing through every demand list produced by a horizontally organized body. that's a LOT of lists. Some of which are inevitably going to want world peace etc. We've been in the same wars for over a third of my life. For some of these kids its over half of theirs. The same objective-less wars draining the national budget and they get told straight faced that each year there's less and less money to keep their classes open and operating. Its in their interest to aim for high idealism.

>>4458845
All of these are the result of a failure of the political system, so people should demonstrate in Washington and not in front of a stock exchange.
These people bark at the wrong tree.

>>4458864
>Did you know that he took the money back, and apologized? Yeah, that's the important part of the story.

That doesn't fucking matter. I can't believe you are actually retarded enough to think his crime is okay because he apologized.

"Hey, I stole from you and threatened to shoot you, but I gave your stuff back, so it's cool, right?"

>>4458819
>finance and econ degrees are also worthless right?
And what the fuck is a useful degree?

>>4458841
Same with math and economics. What's your point? Some people love school, some people like getting high marks and degrees.

>>4458874
>I can't believe you are actually retarded enough to think his crime is okay because he apologized.

He might have scared the bank teller, but that action alone is hardly worth 20 years in prison. No damage was done that warranted the sentence.

>>4458871
>INVESTIGATE, ARREST AND TRY THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS who clearly broke the law

Well, the first question would be whether they actually broke any law.
From what I understood very few did, which was the main fucking problem and the reason why they went back to business as usual right after the crisis.

>>4458882
You're right.

No one who holds someone at gunpoint should ever be arrested. They didn't cause any damage, so why should they be punished? Someone who threatens to kill you and your family shouldn't be pursued, because it's not like they've actually done anything, right?

>>4458882
>scared
Try possibly traumatized.
the guy deserved punishment, though hardly 20 years.

>>4458873

Or maybe both? Like they're doing right now?

>>4458858
Yeah, honestly I am/ was upset. I guess it was wrong to lump you into the Anarchist bunch,

With whose money, with your money? It's not in human nature to give everything and expect nothing in return.

In order to be at the top somebody has to be at the bottom, and that is the nature of things.

And honestly I never really beat the guy like that more like man handled his ass out and shoved him on the pavement, after I got him out of the store. he was pretty winded, and sort of lied there.

I am sorry for calling you an Anarchist bitch ( maybe that was a little too far), you just seem like one of those Hippy bitches, that just talk change but never do anything or amount to anything.

I doubt what I said, hurt you in any way.

>>4458893
They shouldn't demonstrate in front of the Wallstreet at all.
It's stupid.
This is not a problem of the economy and these bankers must not be held accountable for political decisions.

Admit it faggots. You're protesting out of blind ass pain and don't have a clue about what you really want.

>>4458769
>Is college that expensive in the US? How can they rack up $200k?

I have no clue how they do it. I don't think I could even rack up that much debt if I tried.

My first two years at college were at a junior college. Semesters were about $1500. But I had a grant that provided $2500 a semester, so I had money left over after all expenses. I had a good GPA so I transferred to a state UNI with a $3500 scholarship. School costs about $5000 a semester here, but the government is paying me for $2700 a semester now, so It's about $2300 a semester, then I got my $3500 scholarship. I'm a junior and I haven't paid a cent. I actually made money a semester going to the junior college. I might look into some other financial aids or grants though, I have just been using this one.

As an outsider, I find it quite amusing when someone is accused of 'class warfare' for wanting to tax the rich or corporations, and then that same news crew advocate more taxes on the poor.

Then it gets depressing when you find out that some of these companies are getting massive amounts of government money, essentially paying NEGATIVE tax, and STILL it's apparently wrong to suggest they get taxed more!

>>4458883
Well predatory lending was institutionalized. And its legality was only assured by the corrupting manipulation by the financial institutions.

Or to put it another way; The criminals, being in control, declared themselves to no longer be criminals, all the while committing crimes. When confronted about their crimes they looked aghast and claimed with great sincerity "We aren't criminals, we were absolved by ourselves years ago."

To say they were in the legal right is to argue the definition of torture.

>>4458890
No one who holds someone at gunpoint should ever be arrested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

>They didn't cause any damage, so why should they be punished?

That's a very good question, one that the law is incapable of answering.

>Someone who threatens to kill you and your family shouldn't be pursued, because it's not like they've actually done anything, right?

There's a difference between committing a crime, going back to the crime scene, returning the money and apologizing, and threatening someone's entire family with murder.

>>4458890
How about getting rid of punihsment? Punishment is a backwards concept anyway.

The government and the law are just inventions that serve a function. They do not represent any morality, because there is no such thing save what we choose to impose. The function of the government should be to encourage the most people to reach their personal highs of achievement. The law takes away the freedoms of people to prolong their other rights and freedoms later on. Punishment is just primitive people out for blood.

The question is not whether or not this man should be punished, the answer is obviously no. The question is "is this man going to continue being a threat to other people?" if so, then put him in jail for however long necessary to rehabilitate. The fact he apologize shows he is capable of being rehabilitated, and pretty quickly. Twenty years is insane.

>>4458904
I fucking HATE that picture. Do they think the protesters can build their own cameras? Their own cell phones?

99%ers are really just ignorant cunt who are mad that they made bad decisions.

>I'll take out loans to study English! I should be entitled to a great job for having skills that 1,000,000 other people have.

>Our government is wholly owned by wall street, but we want them to have more power to fix all of our bad judgment.

>>4458917
You hate it because it points to a fundamental problem with their retarded movement. They hate corporations but are more than willing to buy and use their products. Is anyone supposed to take that seriously?

>>4458917
Their are cellphones, cameras, etc., that are not made by multinational corporations.

If you're going to blame all corporations, then you should also blame yourself for putting the power in their hands.

>>4458914
I know all that.
But it is primarily a political problem.
You have to make a government that works with humans and not the other way around.

If people exploit a certain gameplay mechanic in an unintended way to gain unfair advantes, you don't tell them "nono, that's evil, stop" and ban them, you patch the game it until it works as intended.

>>4458904
NOBODY WANTS CORPORATIONS TO BE GONE.

What they want is for corporations to stop fucking everyone over.

>>4458899
>Yeah, honestly I am/ was upset. I guess it was wrong to lump you into the Anarchist bunch
It's all good anon. Stay classy, you're clearly a gent.

>With whose money, with your money?
With everyone's money, like universal healthcare. Having a well educated population does give back to society. The only issue is that people from my country might immigrate to another country, and our national investment in them goes away.

>In order to be at the top somebody has to be at the bottom, and that is the nature of things.
> It's not in human nature to give everything and expect nothing in return.
What do you base this on? In early hunter-gatherer societies, which make up 99% of human history, there wasn't a real gap between rich and poor, and no one really had means of oppressing anyone else. Women were even treated better. Yes there were gender roles, but since women took care of children and gathered 2/3 of all calories consumed by the group, they were valuable to society. Things didn't start to go bad for women until men started getting paid for their work, and women didn't get paid for theirs. This objectivist, capitalist ideal is not how humans have acted or behaved for the majority of history.

>sort of lied there.
Cool you can admit that, bro.

>doubt what I said, hurt you in any way.
Definitely. It's 4chan, no one really gives a shit. It's nice how civil you are, though. Thanks.

>>4458933
>If people exploit a certain gameplay mechanic in an unintended way to gain unfair advantes, you don't tell them "nono, that's evil, stop" and ban them, you patch the game it until it works as intended.

This analogy would only work if those who are exploiting the game were using it to spawncamp and generally grief everyone else, and are in fact also trying to make it harder and harder for the exploit to be fixed.

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>>4458904
Pretty much. This protest isn't about goals, it's about catharsis.

With that said, I hate the 'you used something made by a corporation, hypocrite!'. There's a difference from having a camera from a corporation, taking care of it, having it last years and being a consumerist. You need the camera to record potential police abuse, and people need to get together somehow. Even the original Marxists had books that came from publishing companies. There's a difference between using the things around you intelligently and conservatively and being a hypocritical idiot who acts like a spoiled child.

>>4458926

The majority of protesters don't want corporations to disappear. The more intelligent of them realise that most corporations provide cheap, effective goods and services. What they are protesting against isn't the fact that Nikon makes cameras, or Gap makes shirts, but rather that many of these corporations do not pay the legally mandated levels of tax, use frivolous loopholes to avoid legal obligations, pay unacceptably low wages that are intended to keep workers in poverty, use their money to purchase political favours and power in Washington and collectively have created a cartel that excludes any possibility of competition and works only to increase their own profits and power rather than improve the living standards of the people of this country.

Indeed, would you complain to the Libyan rebels that they were using gasoline in their trucks which had been subsidised by Colonel Gadaffi? Would you spurn North Korean democracy activists for wearing clothes produced in government factories?

This isn't a boycott, it's a protest. What the protesters are wearing, eating, drinking etc. is largely irrelevant, what matters are their ideas, their demands and their ultimate goal. If you're focusing on anything else then you're just deflecting the argument.

>>4458769
>Is college that expensive in the US? How can they rack up $200k?

It's expensive if:
- you're a retard who believes he must go to an ivy league school to study humanities
- you go to an out of state school with no clear
- you were a dumb fuck and didn't apply for scholarships

It's very easy to get a college education at a reasonably low cost if you actually think it out and plan accordingly.
For example: attending a community college for 1 or 2 years to take care of bullshit general education requirements and then moving on to a university for your actual major-related classes can save you a TON of money.

Being smart enough to actually be prepared for a college education means you can get all kinds of scholarships - you just have to not be a lazy fuck and apply for them.

In fact, some states offer defacto scholarships based on high grades, that are good at any instate school. But getting good grades is hard - I just wanna party every weekend!

>>4458927
Well that's the problem, they never own up to anything just like that Cdn Idealist guy, he wants to the world to pay for his and other peoples fuck ups. And just doesn't get it, to be successful, you have to use people.

Not everyone is equal and the quicker people realize this, people will learn there place. If you are dealt a shitty hand by being born poor the most you can ever do is try to advance yourself, you may not reap the rewords in this life, but your children will be closer to it.

Everyone is just a cog in the machine, everyone has a set function, to sit and bitch and demand change without doing anything or trying to improve themselves. Is counter-productive, why don’t people try to be successful and then impose their change or ideal on other people.

Like I said before why does world owe you a living?

>>4458950
So instead of going to the government to try and fix it, you focus on the evil doers and hope that they do what you ask of them?

Don't misunderstand me, I doubt that it's possible to revert the current government to a non-corrupt clean and democratic state.

>>4458915
>They didn't cause any damage, so why should they be punished?
>That's a very good question, one that the law is incapable of answering.

What, no. A crime is defined as doing something with the mind to commit a crime and the action to carry it out. Doesn't matter if the action failed for whatever reason (the robber slips and hits his head on a counter), there was the mind and action that makes it a crime.

The law is not to punish, but to protect. Someone had the mind and the action (regardless of that actions success) to hurt the public, therefore the level of threat and ability to be rehabilitated must be taken into consideration.

With that said, I don't see this man as much of a threat.

>>4458968
wow, get fucked faggot.

>>4458960
>There's a difference between using the things around you intelligently and conservatively and being a hypocritical idiot who acts like a spoiled child.

>using the things around you intelligently and conservatively
>hypocritical idiot who acts like a spoiled child.

Now really, in a sea of college hipsters, which do you think is more likely?

Those protesters are the kind of people who can see a problem and demand it get fixed, but don't have the foresight or knowledge to come up with a solution that works. They believe that its the corporations who are at fault for them not having jobs, even though they don't realize that these same corporations desperately want to expand and grow, which would allow them to create jobs, but are unable to because of all the new government red-tape and regulations placed on the economy that has been introduced over the past four years.

The truth of the matter is these people are going after the wrong institutions. Its not the corporations who are at fault, its the federal government's fault. Ever since the government began bailing out corporations and gaining more influence on how the economy runs, the economy has been suffering. No jobs are being created not because the corporations don't want to create them (that would be counterproductive in a corporation's interests), its because they can't due to all the uncertainty and regulations that stifle their ability to hire and expand. If you want to blame the right people, don't blame the corporations or the CEO's who run them. Blame the government, because they are the real ones at fault.

>>4458968
Hey, Jack Ass, don't bother changing your trip.

>>4458926
How do you know that they didn't buy them used?

How do you know that that electronic isn't one of few luxuries they provide themselves?

>>4458980
Yeah, corporations want to benefit everyone and if there was no regulation everyone would have a nice safe, secure job and would earn enough to feed himself and his family.

If only the filthy government wouldn't force them to adhere to standards and pay their workers, which they would do on their own anyway, everyone would be wealthy and happy and probably be his own boss.

>>4458980
>even though they don't realize that these same corporations desperately want to expand and grow, which would allow them to create jobs, but are unable to because of all the new government red-tape and regulations placed on the economy that has been introduced over the past four years.

Oh come off it, I can't believe you're blaming government red tape. I bet you whooped for Bachmann when she said they should remove regulations on food?

Is 'federal red tape' that why the Bank of America posted $3.7 Billion Q2 net profits, then fired 30,000 employees in Q3?

http://occupywallst.org/chat/

Go here NOW to find out how YOU can help the cause. Stop reading this, get out and show the government that the silent majority won't take the noisy, rich, evil minorities shit any more.

http://occupywallst.org/chat/

>>4458968
>he wants to the world to pay for his and other peoples fuck ups.
Sup, bro. What 'fuck ups'? I don't think I've fucked up.

>And just doesn't get it, to be successful, you have to use people.
Ever hear of the original affluent society? Yeah. That's where people naturally had tons of leisure time and oppression was not severe since there were no means of oppression. Nobody was getting fucked over. But thanks for your contribution, Ayn Rand.

>Not everyone is equal and the quicker people realize this
I wan to paraphrase Atticus Finch: "Not all men are equal, some ladies bake better pies than others. But there is a place where all people should be treated equal, in the courts." Of course not all people are born equal, but people should be treated equally.

>you are dealt a shitty hand by being born poor the most you can ever do is try to advance yourself, you may not reap the rewords in this life, but your children will be closer to it.
This is sick. Why should someone toil in the dirt, giving it their all just to get their children in a slightly better position while some rich man can make his spoiled brat's every dream come true?

>Like I said before why does world owe you a living?
The world doesn't owe you a living, but it owes you the things that help you make a living if it expects you to give back to that society. You can't have a society where people shaft each other and then expect the people that got shafted to work hard, make money and then give back to their communities. It's better to allow everyone to have the things that allow individuals to make their own living, like education, food, sanitation and healthcare.

>>4458904
Yeah, only people who reinvented the wheel have the right to protest. Also, the CEOs made all that stuff with their own bare hands.

>>4458978
>>4458978
You got me there, bro.

>>4459010
30,000 people will have much more free time now!
Some of them will post more on 4chan and improve our community!
And the profits will trickle down, so nobody lost any income!

>>4458980

Because clearly, things like (pic related) are the fault of the government.

Wall St: "Hey, instead of lowering the CEO to average worker salary ratio, let's just fire thousands of people and act confused when they protest our shit."

>>4458977
>>4458984
What, I speak the truth, you can either choose to accept reality, or live in a pot induced dream. I can assume you lived in a pretty sheltered life, that you have no idea how the world works, you assume people are either black or white, but what about the people who live in the grey? Why do you have such a hang up with Morality? Not everyone is a hivemind like yourself.

>>4459025
Wealth is not finite, just because some people earn more than others doesn't mean these others earn little!
This statistic means nothing!
The GPD is the only relevant economic index!

>>4459025
things like that are results of government intervention- removing any aspect of risk for large amounts of investment through bailouts and raising the cost of regulation compliance to shut out smaller competitors leads to fewer, larger corporations that have a larger gap between worker and CEO.

>>4459053
That makes a lot of sense!
It's absolutely not inane, baseless bullshit!

>>4459053

Actually it's a result of government non-intervention.

Some governments cap that ratio. But if we did that here, Murdoch's pseudo-libertarian minions would cry about "big government coming into our lives, taking our guns and making us all get abortions!"

>>4458639

American Idiosincrasy, born from Calvinism. "If you're poor is because you're lazy and it's your fault!"

You're pathetic kid. Nobody in the history has been remembered for being a lazy conformist son of a bitch like you. Get your fat ass off your chair and start fighting for your fucking rights. Wasn't your joke-nation born for freedom? Then go and get it, faggot.

>>4459037
Like how you only responded to the quips and not the actual posts that disagreed with you in detail.

thank fucking god for OWS - it's the only thing on the left here with any energy, passion, attention, etc.

i don't really care that they don't have clear demands.

i just want to see people in the streets from the left of Obama so we can try to pull this country's politics a bit farther left after the fucking republicans have pulled them so far right so quickly.

>>4459073
>Wasn't your joke-nation born for freedom?
>implying the American revolution wasn't a result of rich white men getting buttmad they were losing money due to the Stamp Act
>implying that more than 1/3 of the Americans actually supported the revolution

It wasn't born for freedom, it was born for profit.

With that said, the Puritan work ethic is largely why US is the way it is.

>>4459073

B-b-but Liberal Arts students!

>>4459053
Considering that all treasury related positions are occupied by ex goldmann sachs employees.

>>4459014
Whose going to make the first move, to this better world, are you going to be at the forefront, devoting yourself 100% for your "Ideal". Or, are you going to hang back, and live like your normally do, pandering towards your own self interest (Job, family, and lifestyle) Are you an activist, you certainly preach of change and activism, yet I doubt you volunteer or campaign.

I personally live in the grey area of morality, I help others, so as I can help myself.

From self experience for instance, I sat on the University's student union as a councilor was elected 4 years in a row, I was on plenty of committees, held office hours, dealt with special interest groups, planned events. Yes, I helped others, but in return I got a padded resume and references out the ass. So, if that makes me a selfish prick, then so be it. I did my time, and I will still do my time, how about you?

What have you done for you fellow man, except preach on the soap box, and beat the drum. Have you organized, campaigned, or have you just moaned and bitched, like the socialist whore you are.

You only get out of life what you put into it.

>>4459098
Well, there's your meritocracy.
Doesn't /int/ fap over that?

>>4459037
>living from daddy's allowance
>not a sheltered life
Go back mopping the floor of the store, lazy ass, or no dessert for you tonight.

>>4458968
>Like I said before why does world owe you a living?
The world doesn't owe you a living per se, it's just that most people worldwide think it's a sign of civilization in a society to give those born unlucky a leg up. Of course you don't have to agree, but well, most people do.

>>4459104

>I personally live in the grey area of morality, I help others, so as I can help myself.


Morally ambiguous tough guy.

>>4459104
You got a great imagination. And no means to support any of your bullshit claims.

>>4459104
>Whose going to make the first move, to this better world, are you going to be at the forefront, devoting yourself 100% for your "Ideal". Or, are you going to hang back, and live like your normally do, pandering towards your own self interest (Job, family, and lifestyle) Are you an activist, you certainly preach of change and activism, yet I doubt you volunteer or campaign.
Ad hominem attacks, that doesn't address any of the issues we were talking about. And I don't want to enter some morality pissing contest.

>I did my time, and I will still do my time, how about you?
Ad hominem.

You didn't refute anything I said. You just went on about some volunteer work you do, assumed I don't do anything (based on nothing) and said that refutes my argument. lern2argue.

>>4459104

So, children born in Vietnam/Taiwan who work 15 hours/day for 2 dolars per month who make your Nike trainers deserve it. The same way a child born in a multimillionar family and don't moving a finger in his life deserves it.

Boy, you need to see a doctor.

>>4459117
I worked at Safeway as a meat cutter, and at customer service, during university, wasn't full time as I had a huge course load, and after school stuff. Also, I paid for my University, stop trying to be a jerk off.

>>4459118
Thanks, well I don't fully agree with some people here, I still see some validity in some of their points. Unlike, some people who just rage and shout crap at me. Saying crap like I am evil, or a bastard.


>>4459121
Never said I was a bad ass, but yeah I can say with certainty, I have the respect of my peers irl. What do I symbolize everything you hate?

>>4459155
>youmustbenewhere.jpg

>>4459150
>providing a service that many people want. The better the service, the better the chances of getting more people to accept and use the services that they provide.
>So yes, a corporation aims to benefit as many people as possible.
No, they seek to improve the lives of the people who can afford their products. Companies regularly outsource to countries without human rights and actively push down attempts to unionise. This isn't 'as many people' it's servicing the rich people at the expense of poor people in other countries.

>>4459150

Corporations aims for owner's profit, fucktard. Also, over-regulation is far better than under-regulation, retard. Stop lying yourself.

>>4459155
>What do I symbolize everything you hate?
Because instead of actually debating you shout 'stupid liberal anarchist probably doesn't volunteer therefore your ideas invalid' rather than refuting the central point.

>>4459155
Nobody has to believe your bullshit without evidence. But clearly, you are unable to grasp such a simple concept.

>>4459172
Mr./int/commie, I like you.