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    25 KB Ameribro 08/21/11(Sun)19:47 No.4229075  
    Unemployment thread!
    >1. How bad is it in your country?

    >2. How badly are young people getting fucked?

    >3. Is there hope for the future, or do people see shit going totally down the drain?

    Pic related, mfw you have to have a masters degree, on average, to get an entry level job.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)19:49 No.4229089
    Bosnia

    1) 47%

    2)Pretty badly. Everyone's getting fucked though.

    3)Hahahahahahaha
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)19:50 No.4229091
    Britain

    1. 7%

    2. See next

    3. If you can't get a job it's your own fault. It's called having connections, if you don't make connections in university you wont get a job.
    >> Ameribro 08/21/11(Sun)19:50 No.4229092
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    I'll start:
    >1. How bad is it in your country?
    USA, people say around 20% total unemployed, but its probably significantly worse than that.
    >2. How badly are young people getting fucked?
    Very bad. Anger and hopelessness seem to be rising.
    >3. Is there hope for the future, or do people see shit going totally down the drain?
    No hope anytime soon. Seems like gen y and later may lose a good 5,6,7 years waiting idle to start off.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)19:56 No.4229134
    >>4229091
    >>4229091
    >If you can't get a job it's your own fault

    Fuck your shit. In an economy/country that's healthy, sure, that could very well be true. But not now. For example, in the US there are an average of 6.7 applicants for every opening. That's an average. There are going to be fewer applicants for higher end jobs where employers want more experience, and more applicants for the entry-level jobs that youth go into. You can try and have all the connections you like, but you just aren't going to win that kind of numbers game.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)19:59 No.4229152
    Israel

    1) 4%. Probably a bit higher though.
    2) Quite fucked. Especially when it comes to apartments.
    3) Things will always get better.
    >> Ameribro 08/21/11(Sun)19:59 No.4229154
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    Can someone explain to me what it actually means to "have connections"? This idea just seems more ludicrous the more I think about it. Does it mean you are going to go work for a friend from college? Have an old professor get you an internship or something?
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:01 No.4229166
    >>4229134

    Didn't stop me getting a job.

    In my time at university I befriended an African man who was already a renown documentary film maker in his own country. However he attended a university to get a degree that would be recognised in the western world.

    Now I work as a liaison between African film makers and distributes in my country.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:01 No.4229170
    1.Very bad. It remains unchanged essentially since 1992.I am from Poland. It is 12% but real figures are around 24-26%.
    2.Utterly.
    3.There is no hope.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:02 No.4229173
    >>4229166

    * distributors.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:05 No.4229186
    >>4229154

    2 people go for a job.

    One is more experienced but a stranger. The other is less experienced but known by the employer through the employers friends of co-workers as a reliable worker.

    Guess which one gets hired.
    >> Ameribro 08/21/11(Sun)20:07 No.4229200
    >>4229166
    That's an incredibly rare case though, and you should feel damn lucky. It doesn't change the simple economics that there are far and away not enough jobs for people, especially entry jobs for youth coming out of college. Connections don't beat raw numbers. If an employer is not willing to hire his star employee's bff from uni, well, youre fucked. The problem is in the system, not in people being anti-social
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:08 No.4229214
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    Just leaving this here.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:11 No.4229239
    ITT: Employed trying to convince people that "it's all about connections" and to just "get off your couch, stop playing xbox, and you'll get a job", whilst ignoring that job levels for college grads are at depression levels, and that there will not be enough jobs for everybody even if EVERYBODY got the perfect degree, perfect connections, and perfect experience for their particular application. It's math.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:14 No.4229261
    >>4229239

    Well then, it's their fault for not seizing their destiny and doing something about it. I have no sympathy for them.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:15 No.4229267
    >>4229261
    >it's their fault for not seizing their destiny and doing something about it.
    How about re-run of 1917?
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:16 No.4229279
    People employed by 2008 are safe but people who began job searching after that are fucked and still are whether it was just a high school graduate or higher
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:18 No.4229294
    > 2011
    > Not realising that there are millions of ways to make money.

    I am an unemployed TV technician.

    I buy cars for nothing, strip them down then sell the parts for a profit. I get this money on top of welfare.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:20 No.4229309
    >>4229261
    I'm a libertarian. I believe in the free market. I'm supporting Ron Paul in the 2012 elections. And I'm saying, fuck off. You'll be singing differently once your little Africa project dries up.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:22 No.4229321
    >>4229091
    >3. If you can't get a job it's your own fault. It's called having connections, if you don't make connections in university you wont get a job.

    lawl what, have you seen the sort of people going to uni these days? unless you're at Oxford you are fucked and just pissed away £50k on a piece of useless paper.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:23 No.4229330
    Norway
    1. Not bad 3.3%

    2. Not at all, if you want a job, you'll get a job.

    3. From our perspective it can only go down from here, but most of us are pretty optimistic about the future.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:26 No.4229348
    Africa = in constant civil war
    Arabs = have reached civil war war levels.
    Euromericans = getting there.

    Once you reach a certain amount of unemployment revolution is unavoidable.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:30 No.4229363
    1. Easily around 20%. They actually don't count persons in part time positions or those who have quit looking.
    2. I think it's actually more difficult for older people. Chances are the younger person will get the job because they can pay him/her much less. But yeah, it's still pretty tough out there.
    3. All the people I know who didn't go to college are making good money. Forget the college crap and learn a useful trade or work your way up somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:30 No.4229373
    If you can't find a job make a job
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:31 No.4229374
    in the U.S. Army, fix the military version of the bell 206 for a living (insert RC helicopter joke here) and am paid in college money, bad food, and sand.

    was talking to the lifeflight (civilian medivac) pilots and medics on saturday, and secured a job offer (80k a year starting) doing basic scheduled maintenance at a small town airport. a few weeks before that i recieved a call from germany (where i'm moving when i get out of the army) with an offer to advise and assist on film sets with firearms scenes making the equivalent pay (50k E a year) based on my fiance schooling up the firearms advisor on the last film set she was working on on the operation, breakdown, and technical stats of the yugoslav M76 and telling him i'd taught her.

    It's partially about "who you know" but not in the sense of people you're friends with or related to. its more about the contacts that you yourself make and your qualifications.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:31 No.4229381
    Japan's had this problem since the 90's recession. Those college grads who couldn't find a real career are foreveruunemployeds
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:32 No.4229385
    Police and Army.

    There's two jobs that don't turn people down unless you're a massive tard and you need no experience.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:34 No.4229398
    >>4229385

    Police requires a college degree. And the army regularly turns down people especially with the amount of unemployed minions flocking to it.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:35 No.4229404
    REAL question. How do we FIX this problem.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:36 No.4229419
    >>4229404
    make the middle class wealthy again, stop letting the trickle up flow into the top 0.1% of the population.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:37 No.4229426
    I personally believe we are seeing a form of an economic evolution. There just isn't a need for as many manned job positions as before. Especially with downsizing and automation coming into play.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:37 No.4229427
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    >>4229398

    > Police requires a college degree.

    Only if you want to be someone high up.
    Beat cops don't need an education, they just need to be law-abiding.

    I'm currently at college and work part time as a community support officer. Which is the lowest thing you can be.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:39 No.4229433
    >>4229419
    and do this how? Raising taxes alone won't give them jobs, government created jobs were never profitable that's why they stopped the Gulags.

    We need a method to give people self sustaining taxable jobs and real (sustainable) growth.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:39 No.4229434
    >>4229427

    I live in a small town and our local PD requires at least an associates degree.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:39 No.4229439
    >>4229385
    In the UK 20% of the police force is being fired, similar with the military.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:39 No.4229440
    >>4229434

    Maybe living in a small town is why you can't find a job.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:40 No.4229442
    >>4229439

    Like they're going to fire any police after the riots.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:41 No.4229451
    >>4229440

    I think quite the opposite. Imagine a corporate job position in a big city where you have half the city applying for it.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:41 No.4229452
    >>4229439
    See that's funny because there already incredibly inept.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:41 No.4229454
    1. Australia. Its much worse than it is officially.
    2. It's a complete fucking , if you are young and Australian getting a job is getting harder and harder because immigrants are literally taking der jerbs.
    3. Its totally going down the drain unless they kick out every single immigrant.

    inb4 aussie leftist abuse.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:42 No.4229459
    >>4229426
    not this karl marx shit again. No there isn't a need for our old jobs cause we outsourced them to China. Someone must still runa dn engineer these automated systems and that USED to be us.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:43 No.4229465
    How about this. massive tariffs on non-first world countries. let them evolve on their own and we care for ourselves.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:44 No.4229467
    Illegal immigrants basically take the shit jobs like cleaning toilets. I honestly think they have little impact on the current unemployment situation.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:44 No.4229469
    I can see all kinds of things happening if this situation doesn't improve and fast. For the people who currently run the world, the middle aged breadwinners, it's hard, but not nearly as hard as what's hitting recent college grads. 1 out of 2 are unemployed. That's probably understating things, since they stop counting you if you are a "discouraged" worker, aka you're so demoralized you've just given up. That happens a lot nowadays.

    With such a mass of people unemployed, shits gonna happen. Revolutions, alternative economies, alternative currencies, etc. People have to find a way to survive somehow, and they will do it. I do believe we are going through a period of great change, for better or worse, I don't know.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:45 No.4229475
    >>4229433
    off the top of my head we could have wages inside a company linked, so the CEO can only make x amount more than the lowest payed person in the company, then we the company does well or poorly everybody's wages moves together.

    Or more heavily tax larger companies and no or fewer taxes on small start ups, so we have thousands of small to medium sized business competing instead of 1 or 2 in a monopoly.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:45 No.4229477
    >>4229467
    most cant find a job doing THAT anymore. when unemployment is 20% cleaning toilets is better then living under a bridge.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:46 No.4229484
    >>4229475
    Japan does that. I'm okay with it. It forces them to reinvest int he company instead of keeping cash reserves.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:47 No.4229492
    >>4229459

    You can also thank the greedy unions and workers for this as well.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:48 No.4229493
    >>4229467
    >>4229467
    Well guess what in Australia you want a cleaning job. Too bad you can't they are all contracted out to freshly arrived immigrants who guard these contracts along ethnic lines. They are all korean or phillipino cleaning crews.
    I knew a phillipino that landed a job literally less than a week into being in the country.
    Its the same for other areas. IT? forget about it full of indians that favour other indians.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)20:59 No.4229551
    >>4229465
    I agree with this.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:11 No.4229600
    Germany
    1. about 7% in general. Southern Germany has about 3.5 to 3.9%, West and North about 6%, East about 10% and Berlin 13.3%
    2. We have 2 unemployment systems. One is intended to make sure you don't get fucked too hard immediately after you've lost your job. The state pays between 60 and 70% (don't know the exact numbers) of your former income for 12 months. In order to get this though you have to have worked for 24 months and you have to proof that you are looking for a new job (you have to apply for 5 jobs a month minimum). Then after 12 months there is Hartz IV. You get about 345€ a month. The state pays for your apartment, but they decide where you live. From time to time you have to do some job trainings and mini-jobs in order to keep your money etc. If you fail to do so you get fined, for example 1 month only 200€ or 1 month no money at all etc.
    Problem with Hartz IV is that you have to accept EVERY job you're offered. So let's say you studied economics and you have a MA, if you're unlucky you HAVE to work at McDonald's for 5€ an hour. A lot of people prefer to be fined than to work as a toilet cleaner etc.
    3. At the moment it's fine, but in future we'll see a big gap between those with jobs and unemployed. Statistics say that once you're in HartzIV you're basically fucked. It's some kind of Vicious Circle. You get Hartz IV because you're unemployed and you're unemployed because you get HartzIV.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:13 No.4229605
    >>4229600
    Hartz 4 lol sounds like a stazi gulag.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:14 No.4229608
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    1.) New Zealand.
    2.) Fucked to the walls. Prices are going up for food, wages going lower... Tax higher for poor tax cuts for the rich its like Ragan in NZ.
    3.) Depends if we break way from West and the Americunts we will have one...

    >>4229091
    You have no idea. You sliver spoon faggot. Yes I have a job.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:15 No.4229615
    >>4229608
    I can't imagine how fucked kiwis are if Aus is fucked. You guys must really be fucked.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:18 No.4229625
    >>4229239
    >Employed trying to convince people that "it's all about connections"

    Employedfag here. Not at all.

    I know that feel. Fuck the west. Fuck the debit. Guaranteed jobs for all, lower crime increase prosperity.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:19 No.4229630
    >>4229605
    Well some people say it also feels like one.
    Others are proud to get it and that they don't do shit.
    The phrase "Hartz 4 bezahlt mein Bier!" ("Hartz 4 (pronunced like fear) pays my beer") is pretty famous in Berlin.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:19 No.4229631
    >mfw people who are lucky/privileged enough to have/make employment connections insist that this means other people are not trying hard enough

    >there is no face for my face
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:22 No.4229647
    1) Argentina, 7%
    2) They do pretty good
    3) There is hope, but it's possibly unfounded. I'm betting on going up at some point, but things are good enough here right now that I've met two spaniards youunger than myself waiting tables.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:23 No.4229652
    >>4229630
    In Australia I started to feel really like i was under socialist boot heel in our welfare system. I don't think its that bad but it started to get really depressing and the last welfare officer i had assigned to me freaked me out. He was just as desperate as an unemployed person and I was in danger of getting into a huge amount of shit because thats just the sort of stazi cunt who will report preceived "criminal" actions on behalf of the government.
    So I cut my welfare and the welfare system still acts like i'm apart of it. Thats the feeling of the state owning you for taking their money which i hate most of all.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:23 No.4229654
    >>4229615
    Well I am now working and considering taking up Ccards and Dumpz like the 2nd worldfags on IRC so I can get enough to live...
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:27 No.4229675
    The world is truly fucked, in the year 2011 and we consider it an achievement/privilege just to have a job. I cant wait until the robots and super smart AI take over.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:29 No.4229682
    >>4229330
    As a emigrant with fluent English, but no Norwegian, how easy would it be for me to get a job in Norway? I am thinking of any basic one-for example in McDonalds or cleaning houses?
    Pole here with two uni degrees and unemployed since 3 years.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:29 No.4229683
    >>4229675

    And they would keep you around because of what? Or are you just waiting to be exterminated?
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:32 No.4229700
    >>4229615

    It is , going to be interesting to see the tales people take home after the RWC. I went to UK/Europe/Oz last year, Living expenses in NZ are horrendous and the pay is poor.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:32 No.4229701
    >>4229683

    Unless he was high-tier society he would just be considered an invalid.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:32 No.4229702
    >>4229683
    I am a computer AI.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:34 No.4229710
    >>4229702
    I accept your rule AI. Better AI's than fat humans from corps.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:35 No.4229714
    >>4229700
    well I just came back from northern europe and everything is so fucking cheap compared to Aus. Even with the Euro being better than the AUD. Youth employment is also easy as they have programs to get young people straight into work that actually do get them into work. Unlike the Australian job iniatives that just steal goverment money and do nothing.
    We are being fucked so hard here its not funny.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:35 No.4229719
    1. Pretty bad, scum can't jobs like they used to

    2. Depends if you chose a useless major or not

    3. Fuck, even I don't know this one, our economy was inflated, a lot of people (i.e. scum) were living off fake money. This recession has forced us to cut back, a lot of people can't come to terms with it.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:38 No.4229737
    >>4229710
    you will be well treated, you will not have to clean my robot toilet.
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:41 No.4229761
    >>4229701
    >Unless he was high-tier society he would just be considered an invalid.
    Like how humans only keep high-tier society cows, cats, apes ect..
    >> Anonymous 08/21/11(Sun)21:59 No.4229869
    Venezuela

    1- Unemployement is "apparently" under the 8% but at least 40% of the population are in the informal sector (me included)

    2- Most of young people in the middle class (me included) are not really in a bad situation, we can get a decent job as long as they have a basic degree. Lately there have been a lot of scholar desertion among kids in the lower class and many of them will end directly going into the informal sector, working for the gov. or becoming criminals

    3- Do I think there is hope?, I dunno it all depends of the next elections If Hugo Chavez stays he just will keep fucking with private sector and making things more difficult for the common citizen, the oppsition doesn`t really seems to have a clear plan about what to do after 2012, and if Chavez dies in the middle of a new term, God help us, many of the loonies that follow him will probably make things worse.



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