You sound jelly

As soon as I graduate from university, I'm emigrating to Sweden. I want to get out before the entire country collapses and America becomes a third world nation.

>>4228019

Why Sweden of all the countries?

Nobody is arguing with you, OP.

>>4228031

He must like Muslims a lot or be one

>>4228004
>>Shitty health care, no safety net. Poverty and lack of care for the poor and middle class despite being a wealthy nation.
we actually do, but i guess we can give them more so they will be grateful like the poor in the UK.

>>4228019
enjoy your sharia law then faggot. i wonder how they treat gays in muslim majority countries?

>>4228058
Sweden is... uh... ahm... not in the Middle-East... it's... umm... in Europe.

>>4228069
yeah, and it will be muslim majority in 35 years or so based on current trends. hence the future sharia law there, which is the explicit goal of any muslim.

>Fattest country.
>http://www.forbes.com/2007/02/07/worlds-fattest-countries-forbeslife-cx_ls_0208worldfat.html
>US #9

Stop reading at
>Propaganda against Communism, Socialism and everything else that isn't Captialism.
>>4228035
Nobody is arguing with him because hes a troll.
Don't feed.

>In tonnes of debt
Oh yeah, because the UK's 400% Debt to GDP ratio is not as bad as our 99%.

>>4228121

Because that isn't true? Most other countries are taught about other political structures. In America, you're told they're bad and wrong.

>>4228134
>Because that isn't true? Most other countries are taught about other political structures. In America, you're told they're bad and wrong.
im curious, what was your education about facism like? were you taught that it was bad and wrong?

Canadaderp here.

>healthcare
I like to think that everybody can chose their own system. I wouldn't have a problem with Americans not having socialist healthcare if it wasn't obviously hurting their people.

>capitalism
Capitalism itself isn't evil. But obviously the way it is lends itself to being evil. Same thing as communism. People are stupid and what could be a great way of living turns to shit.

>behind social progression
I know Britain (and it's colonies) got rid of slavery in the 1830s and America still had blacks in zoos in 1910.

>metric system
It's sort of funny that America has this mad hatter way of measuring. It's cute.

>fattest country
That doesn't really reflect the 'bad things' about America. It's just a superficial nothing.

>materialistic
>doesn't vote
>don't know politics
My country is the same, but I'll admit it is very bad.

Everything else was spot on. I'm only saying this because I want OP to focus on the things that are actually relevant, and which are global problems.

>>4228019
I live in Sweden and would highly recommend you rethink your choice and opt for Norway instead. It'll be easier for you as an american to identify, and Norway has higher wages, better healthcare and generally are more like the americans, but without the unintelligent and fat streak. Norwegians are, like americans, a proud nation, but atleast norway has reason to be - I think you'd find Sweden to be a bit on the selfloathing side, even if the society over here is very nice. I'm definately heading over to Norway to make some real money in not too long.

>>4228144
Non-American here.

Basically what I was told that communism was a very nice idea, but a lot of corrupt people and economic difficulty made it virtually impossible for some countries. I had three teachers say to me that if they could live in a modified communist or socialist society they would. We spoke positively of Cuba, but expressed a dislike over how people's futures are determined by the state.

As for fascism, it really wasn't touched on. We learned the differences (more censorship in media, only a small group in control) but it wasn't really portrayed as evil. It even said straight up in textbooks that 'at least facism gets things done fast'. It was more "how would you like to be in a facist society?" and most kids said "No thanks."

When it came to Hitler and World War 2 the issue was more 'the Germans got fucked over, and they were manipulated and then did awful things'. It wasn't 'look what fascism did' as much as 'look what racism, poverty and scapegoating did'.

I don't know what it's like in your country.

>>4228144

>im curious, what was your education about facism like? were you taught that it was bad and wrong?

Neither. You're taught about it, but it's up to the student to deduce its ramifications. Same goes for Socialism, Communism, Marxism etc. I've seen many times in America where it's taboo to even mention other political structures because there's this stigma against them fed into everyone. Think about it, you became defensive when the political structures where mentioned and brought up fascism (which wasn't mentioned) assuming OP to be evil/dumb.

herp derp,
What's the point of these threads?
Fuck this shit, I'm going back to krautchan's /int/

>>4228228
>implying putting anorexic bimbos on parade like they're cattle signalizes a "free and intelligent" society
>implying this is better than muslim women in traditional clothing

>>4228213
Seconding this. I'm a socialist, and I don't get the HURR DURR FACISM bullshit. It's like Hitler or Stalin, it's just a reactionary term used to make the other person spend more time defending themselves from personal attacks (stammering "oh, well, uh, I'm not a nazi) than debating.

Truth is, every form of economic and political way of thinking has some value in it. They wouldn't have caught on if they're wasn't something precious in it. There is a strength in unity, and facism does protect it's own culture very well. It doesn't need to be violent, either. Facism just lends itself to brutality and cruelty more easily than other forms of government. Same thing for capitalism. But neither are inherently 'wrong'.

As a socialist, I don't think there is 'one true government'. There is no one way of doing things. That's a problem I have with America. They have this delusion that democracy/capitalism are the only ways of doing things. But as long as every person can get out of the country, and is safe from violence, I have no issue with different forms of government

Speaking of forcing democracy on people, isn't it true that only 1/3 of the people in the 13 Colonies wanted revolution? Very democratic.

>>4228291

>isn't it true that only 1/3 of the people in the 13 Colonies wanted revolution?

Nope.

>>4228312
Except yes.

>"In the 1770's the 13 colonies had a population of 2,500,000less than one-third that of Great Britain. It has been estimated that only one-third of the colonists were active patriots, a third remained loyal to Britain, and the rest were neutral. "
>http://history.howstuffworks.com/revolutionary-war/revolutionary-war-history.htm

>>4228213
>I've seen many times in America where it's taboo to even mention other political structures because there's this stigma against them fed into everyone.
>Confused why amerifats get defensive when you ask them would they live under communism, socialism, or marxism.

Hi there.

>>4228359
They're defensive because their great grand daddies died in those German Gulags on Iwo Jima.

>>4228332

>1/3 remained loyal to Britain.
>1/3 were neutral

Do you know anything about the American Revolution?

Scratch that, do you know how democracy works?

i thought health care was for "emergencies" and that's what "credit" can be for.
there are soup kitchens and shelters all over.
not if i remember obamas last speech correctly.
only if you pay attention to it.
this is "we the people".
says who?
what?
if you wanna go there.
yes they do, it's just not used in everyday slang.
"war" can be an attempt to save more lives therefore i can see it being more important than things that could make life even better in the land of the free for people who don't have to worry about that kind of thing.
depends on who you talk to i guess.
we eat.
some.
sigh.
did you have a poll to see who votes?
why thank you.
one street...holy shit, oughta get on that.
so more dont have to struggle maybe?
meh, drugs can kill.
well the people there do kinda pay rent and the people there who are there to help them also need to put food in the mouths they care about.
gotta know what ur getting into, dont work, change if u can, if not deal with it, or theres always the potential of home schooling.
agreed.
power? so people are stupid, you know it's their right to do that.

10/10 OP

you got so many people

>>4228376
No. I am a North Korean fascist. Enlighten me.

>>4228386
>>4228386
Do you know how to greentext? Seriously, I cannot read your post properly. whast eef e rite lyke dis?

>there are soup kitchens and shelters all over.
Yeah, except they're all fundamentally fucked up. Most homeless do not want to go to shelters, and squatting is illegal. "As many as 3.5 million people experience homelessness in a given year (1% of the entire U.S. population or 10% of its poor), and about 842,000 people in any given week."

>"war" can be an attempt to save more lives
Yeah. That's why 3 million Vietnamese were slaughtered. That's why more people have died in Iraq than were killed in 9/11 or who would have ever been killed in terrorist attacks. That's what happened in South America.

>did you have a poll to see who votes?
Except it becomes blatantly obvious that voter turnout is poor.

>meh, drugs can kill.
Yeah, except America's War on Drugs puts more Americans in jail than ever before. The use of drugs has only increased. It's only a scam to make money and keep countries like Mexico down while the CIA brings coke into your country and deals opium and guns to dictators while your banks give planes to drug cartels.

>well the people there do kinda pay rent and the people there who are there to help them also need to put food in the mouths they care about.
Except American prisons are abusive and clearly not as effective as their kinder counterparts.

God, you're stupid.

>>4228470
>Except it becomes blatantly obvious that voter turnout is poor.
Blatanly obvious = facts

>Yeah, except America's War on Drugs puts more Americans in jail than ever before.
>Don't put people who use drugs in jail that's mean!!

>CIA brings coke into your country and deals opium and guns to dictators while your banks give planes to drug cartels.
>Andtheplotthickens.jpg

>Most homeless do not want to go to shelters, and squatting is illegal. "As many as 3.5 million people experience homelessness in a given year (1% of the entire U.S. population or 10% of its poor), and about 842,000 people in any given week."
>Source?

>Except American prisons are abusive and clearly not as effective as their kinder counterparts.
>American prisons
>Mean
>Soooo what documentaries have you been watching?

>Calling someone else a dumbass.

>>4228470
Actually, American prisons are beautiful.
>God, you're stupid.
you said it

>>4228004
Although your tone is terrible, OP isn't lying.

Come in France, man.

>>4228534
I disagree

>>4228524
>>4228524
>blatantly obvious
Except you're ignorant.
>The U.S. saw a steady rise in voter turnout during the century, reaching its peak in the years after the Civil War. Turnout declined from the 1890s until the 1930s, then increased again until 1960 before beginning its current long decline.[56]

>on't put people who use drugs in jail that's mean!!
Yeah. How dare people choose what to put in their own bodies! Let's bring prohibition back that didn't increase crime or anything!

>Andtheplotthickens.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fast_and_Furious
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking
http://justiceinmexico.org/2011/04/05/wachovia-bank-accused-of-laundering-billions-from-mexican-drug
-cartels/

>>Source?
Learn to copy and paste into Google.
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/How_Many.html

>>Soooo what documentaries have you been watching?
Americans have the most prisoners compared to developed countries. They also still have the death penalty and Tent City.

>>Calling someone else a dumbass.
At least I read books.

Every country has their problems. Whether or not the US' problems are worse or better than other problems is subjective. Why bother arguing about it? Why not try to find a damn solution? (or have everyone move to Norway?)

-shrug-

>>4228586
It does matter because your country is an imperialist, global superpower that is spreading like cancer.

So yeah, us non-Americans do ourselves a great service by being aware of your country.

>>4228609
>It does matter because your country is an imperialist, global superpower that is spreading like cancer.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>4228578
>Except you're ignorant.
>And you gay. Point?
>Clearly hasnt followed a modern presdential election or the 2010 election. Also tried comparing the civil war population to the modern population numbers?

>Yeah. How dare people choose what to put in their own bodies! Let's bring prohibition back that didn't increase crime or anything!
>Yeah How dare people destroy cities with crack, meth, etc... Comparing prohibition of alcohol to drugs, really stupid.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fast_and_Furious
ATF not Cia. Read.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking
>"Indicate", come back with facts.
>http://justiceinmexico.org/2011/04/05/wachovia-bank-accused-of-laundering-billions-from-mexican-
drug
-cartels/
>Wachovia banks and some american banks implicated = facts. FFS.
>http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/How_Many.html
Now compare that to your holier than tho europe with the same population as the US.
>Americans have the most prisoners compared to developed countries. They also still have the death penalty and Tent City.
Maybe because of 300 population? Death penatly for rapists and child molesters, how dare they!!!!

>At least I read books.
No, no you dont.

>>4228609

>Imperialist

You keep using that word...

>>4228662
The US has the largest total prison population and non-violent prison population per capita on the entire planet. In total numbers we have 4 times as many as China and 16 times as many as China per capita.

>>4228195
About the communism.
Do not believe those who theorize about it.
Look at countries that tried (or were forced into it, in most cases) communism. It just doesn't work. Period. It would died like many other XIX century utopian theories, if not for Soviet Russia and evil it had spread.

>>4228696
The only actual communist country that has ever existed is, arguably, cuba. Incidentally Cuba ranks 34 in the world for best health care. The US, a capitalist country, ranks 33 and we're several orders of magnitude richer than Cuba.

>hurr
>durr
>derpity-doo

>>4228710
Not really.
Cuba is just like all others communist countries.
Only reason for their quite good healthcare is Venezuelan oil and money, heavily donated by Chavez.
By the way, what do you think, who use this "cuban healthcare" more: foreign tourists who fly to Havana especially for those exclusive treatments, or average Cubans?

>>4228662
>>4228662
>population numbers?
>doesn't understand 'rates'.

> crack, meth, etc... Comparing alcohol to drugs
Firstly, why should you inhibit other people's freedoms with your moral prejudice? And besides, alcohol is deadlier (http://www.dailytech.com/Study+Alcohol+is+Deadliest+Drug+More+Dangerous+Than+Heroin/article20038.ht
m). It's just more socially acceptable. And how exactly does some poor addict directly affect you? There are poor addicts in your city right now, how are they affecting you?

>ATF not Cia.
Yeah. Because one American department doing it instead of the CIA makes it totally irrelevant and okay. Do you hear yourself? That's like you saying "I know you're a bad person because your brother is a murderer and you covered up his crime" and I say "Well actually I am not a bad person because he isn't my brother he's my cousin". Derpity derp derp.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and_Contras_cocaine_trafficking_in_the_US
There you go. And don't come to me saying "indicate". That's like I give you a paragraph of information and you go 'exactly what sentence should I read".

CONT'D

>Wachovia banks
http://www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=5506
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs

>Now compare that to your holier than tho europ
>It's okay because Europe does it!
If you want to make a point: First, write properly. Secondly, you do the math for me. I can't fight your poorly thought out arguments for you.

>Death penatly for rapists and child molesters,
Except the death penalty has been proven to have murdered innocents:

>until recently (2004?) your government murdered the retarded
>death penalty costs more than life in prison
>death penalty doesn't deter crime, murder rate higher in death penalty states

So the only reason we should keep it is for the moral sense of revenge? Derpity derp derp. What's next, going to stop gays from adopting?

>No, no you dont.
>I'm literally finished One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich.

>>4228710
Not to mention that their healthcare is free.

>>4228765
>Firstly, why should you inhibit other people's freedoms with your moral prejudice
None here. Just ruin cities.
>And besides, alcohol is deadlier
Alchol more deadlier than meth. kk I can just as easily find a artical saying the opposite.

>eah. Because one American department doing it instead of the CIA
Make sense.Yeah because Cia isn't too bust in the middle east. Yeah because you said CIA? hurp dorpea

>There you go. And don't come to me saying "indicate". That's like I give you a paragraph of information and you go 'exactly what sentence should I read".
I accept facts only. Try again. With FACTS.

>If you want to make a point: First, write properly. Secondly, you do the math for me. I can't fight your poorly thought out arguments for you.
Firstly it's called typo. No you do the math since you trying to argue with made up numbers.

>Except the death penalty has been proven to have murdered innocents:
Means no more killing rapists.
>death penalty doesn't deter crime, murder rate higher in death penalty states
Death penatly not supposed to deter crime herp durp.

>So the only reason we should keep it is for the moral sense of revenge? Derpity derp derp. What's next, going to stop gays from adopting?
>Revenge, No. Getting rid of them, Yes. Gays can adopt I'm ok with that.

>http://www.realnewsreporter.com/?p=5506
Try again. No implications

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs
>because one bank represents the entire US gov't.

yourfuckingsmart.exe

>>4228886
>None here. Just ruin cities.
I STATE OPINIONS WITHOUT INFORMATION TO BACK IT UP.

See what I did? That's called an argument. You get some information and back it up with a website.

>Alchol more deadlier than meth
>fuck science
You're a moron. My point wasn't 'let's make "alchol" (lol) illegal and meth legal'. My point was that they should both be legal and discouraged because they are both incredibly detrimental.

>Yeah because you said CIA?
Where? I just gave links, retard.

>I accept facts only. Try again. With FACTS.
I'm not going to lie. I mad. I read this and thought "you dumb motherfucker, I gave multiple sources and you have just said shit". Fuck you're stupid.
I gave you a page full of links. Do I need to hold your hand and say "here's the references section, click the links and read. You can do it, you're a big boy."

>No you do the math since you trying to argue with made up numbers.
What made up numbers? I've been providing links to everything. You went on some garbled 'lol wut numbers ratios yurop" thing.

>Death penatly not supposed to deter crime herp durp.
Then what's the point? If it doesn't help anyone and is expensive, what is the point?

>Getting rid of them, Yes
Wait, you don't want revenge, and it's not supposed to deter but you want revenge.... What the fuck am I reading?

>Try again. No implications
Holy mother fuck I am mad. LOOK AT THE FUCKING PAGE RETARD. I don't need to go through the whole thing for you. I gave you a source, so fucking read.

>because one bank represents the entire US gov't.
Yeah, and the bailouts wasn't representative of anything. Oh, and the fact that Cheney had stocks in a company that repaired the city he helped bomb doesn't mean anything. Do you hear yourself?

>yourfuckingsmart.exe
Nah, I'm just smarter than you. So I'm normal.

>Yeah How dare people destroy cities with crack.
What the hell are you talking about? Name me some cities that were 'destroyed' by crack.

>Comparing prohibition of alcohol to drugs, really stupid.
It is, because alcohol should be prohibited before drugs. Alcohol is way more dangerous than alot of illegal drugs.

>Americans have the most prisoners compared to developed countries. They also still have the death penalty and Tent City.

>Maybe because of 300 population?
It's about the incarceration RATE.

>Death penatly for rapists and child molesters, how dare they!!!!

Death penalty has been proven to be counter-productive when it comes to battling crime.

You don't seem to know what you're talking about. At all.

>>4228992
It's okay. He's an American. It's not his fault.

I also love how he assumed I was from Europe.

>nope.jpg

>shitty health care
clearly an american writing that because everyone knows that universal healthcare DOESN'T WORK


>propaganda against Communism, Socialism and everything else that isn't Captialism (nice job on the spelling)
>implying that Communism and socialism are good things

>implying that racism isn't justified
>implying that scientists and the military don't actively use the metric system
>implying the war in Iraq is under false pretenses (we weren't the only country to go in)


but a majority of things you said are spot on.

>>4229026

>implying that Communism and socialism are good things

They're not. But they're not bad either. The same goes for capitalism. Every system has its flaws, that's why nobody has the right to actively be against one imperfect system while praising another.

>>4228004
I should have backed up my statement "racism is justified"

in America, blacks commit more crimes than whites and illegals ARE predominantly mexican, so you would be justified to be cautious

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

>>4228886
>I STATE OPINIONS WITHOUT INFORMATION TO BACK IT UP.
I HAVENT DONE THE SAME THING AND M BUTTHURT I TYPE IN ALL CAPS!!

Lol and you didnt get some infor and back it up with an argument... roffle?

>You're a moron. My point wasn't 'let's make "alchol" (lol) illegal and meth legal'. My point was that they should both be legal and discouraged because they are both incredibly detrimental.
Typo. Be legal and discouraged. Your fucking stupid. It's called illegal. Again comparing alcohol to Meth.

>Where? I just gave links, retard.
Try reading your previous posts dumbass.

>Fuck you're stupid.
Do I need to hold your hand and say "here's the references section, click the links and read. You can do it, you're a big boy."
>Shitty sources where they're accusing. Nice evidence you stupid fuck. If you alleging something then yes hold my hand and provide facts.

>What made up numbers? I've been providing links to everything. You went on some garbled 'lol wut numbers ratios yurop" thing.
>Your made up numbers in original posts and previous posts. No you haven't you only started whne I asked.

>Then what's the point? If it doesn't help anyone and is expensive, what is the point?
The point is to get rid of people?

>Wait, you don't want revenge, and it's not supposed to deter but you want revenge.... What the fuck am I reading?
Clearly you're not reading.

>Holy mother fuck I am mad. LOOK AT THE FUCKING PAGE RETARD. I don't need to go through the whole thing for you. I gave you a source, so fucking read.
I just read it bitch, no implications maybe you should read it. Instead of finding random articles.

>Yeah, and the bailouts wasn't representative of anything. Oh, and the fact that Cheney had stocks in a company that repaired the city he helped bomb doesn't mean anything. Do you hear yourself?
Yeah Cheney (one fucking man) is representative of the entire US gov't. Fuck what kind of logic do you use? Bailouts for banks means one bank represents the entire gov't. WTF? Try again.

>What the hell are you talking about? Name me some cities that were 'destroyed' by crack.
Clearly never been a big intercity.

>It is, because alcohol should be prohibited before drugs. Alcohol is way more dangerous than alot of illegal drugs.
Wrong no facts to prove this. Just your opinion you got from a random website. GG?

>It's about the incarceration RATE.
It's about population?

>Death penalty has been proven to be counter-productive when it comes to battling crime.
Death penalty stopping crime. Are you stupid. It doesn't.

>>Americans have the most prisoners compared to developed countries. They also still have the death penalty and Tent City.
It's called crime.
Roffle and you calling somone else dumb. Please go learn something, stop using made up facts.

>>4229060
>They're not. But they're not bad either. The same goes for capitalism. Every system has its flaws, that's why nobody has the right to actively be against one imperfect system while praising another.
>Crying because we don't want his system of gov't. Aren't you doing the same thing your criticising in your original posts.

>Criticism Capitalism
>Criticism others for criticism other forms of gov't

trortortlolool.mov

>my fave when European savages are jelly of America's military might, political influence, and freedom

>>4229063
>in America, blacks commit more crimes than whites and illegals ARE predominantly mexican, so you would be justified to be cautious

This still doesn't justify racism, though. I live in the Netherlands and there is a similar problem here. There are alot of Turkish and Moroccan immigrants here, and the crime rate for these immigrants is quite high.

It's dangerous to think that because of this, their entire race is bad, though. For every Turk in prison here, there are lots of them that try their best to fit in Western society.

>>4229071
>I just read it bitch, no implications maybe you should read it. Instead of finding random articles.
Then what didn't you understand? Where exactly did that article not agree with everything I was saying? Where did it not fit my argument?

> Cheney (one fucking man) is representative of the entire US gov't.
Yeah. The Vice president doesn't represent the American government.

>Clearly never been a big intercity.
I live in one. What 'kills' my city are homeless freezing to death and fascist cops. Not some poor junkie. And I know, I've been robbed by an oxy-addict.

>random website
Holy fuck you're a retard.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/HarmCausedByDrugsTable.jpg
http://ofbuckleyandbeatles.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/alcohol-more-deadly-than-aids/
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/11/01/drug-experts-say-alcohol-worse-crack-heroin-1148653343/
>WTO
The World Health Organization sounds pretty trustworthy. Let me guess, the WTO is just some 'random organization'? Is that what you're going to say retard?

CONT'D

>>4229126

>It's about population?
Holy motherfuck. Where did it say population? It said "going down" that doesn't mean the population is going down, that implies rate. Holy fuck you're actually retarded.

>Death penalty stopping crime. Are you stupid. It doesn't.
Wait, are you trying to say that the death penalty doesn't stop crime? You're such a bad writer have no idea. But I can provide sources proving that the death penalty doesn't prevent crime. Or would you need me to help you read those sources because "THAT WHOLE PAGE OF PROOF SAYS NOTHING".

>It's called crime.
Yeah, which your country has the most of amongst industrialized countries. Mostly because of your bans on drugs.

>stop using made up facts.
Yeah, because citing the WTO and references taken from Wikipedia are made up facts. How are they made up, retard?

You are stupid. You're not ignorant. Ignorant people have the ability to be smart but don't have access to the information. You're just redundant and dense.

>>4229071
>Wrong no facts to prove this. Just your opinion you got from a random website. GG?

Alcohol is one of the only drugs that can kill you during its withdrawal period. Sure, herion addicts role around a lot during detox, but if you dotox an alcoholic he may very well die as a result.

Alcohol is, hands down, one of the worst drugs on the planet. Pure meth isn't even as bad. Most of the negative side effects of meth are because of the way most people make it. Pure meth is less detrimental and less addictive.

>>4229126
>Then what didn't you understand? Where exactly did that article not agree with everything....
Where it didn't provide facts.

>Yeah. The Vice president doesn't represent the American government.
>Yeah it doesn't since he irrelevant.

>I live in one. What 'kills' ..
Robbed by junkie, claims junkies aren't ruining his city? WTF?

>Holy fuck you're a retard.
Please learn something fag, don't use random websites.

>http://ofbuckleyandbeatles.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/alcohol-more-deadly-than-aids/
Ask me again why I don't take you srsly?

>http://www.foxnews.com/health/2010/11/01/drug-experts-say-alcohol-worse-crack-heroin-1148653343/
OMG FOX!, because somebody who drinks and somebody who uses meth have the same life expectancy.

>Holy motherfuck. ....
You're a dumbass. I said I's about population. Try again.

>Wait, are you trying to say that the death penalty doesn't stop crime?
Duh it doesn't. I just said that, If you learn to read. Maybe if you provided relevant sources.

>eah, which your country has the most of amongst
Oh no dont put drug dealers and drug users in jail. It's called rule of law.

>Yeah, because citing the...
Yeah because this is the first time you cited the WTO. Yeah because wikipedia is accurate. Yeah because you don't know how to look up other sources.

You know you really are a dumbfuck, maybe if you take your head out your ass and learn maybe you'll get somewhere. Fag?

>>4229087

I'm not the OP and I never said I agree with him.

I'm just saying that it's stupid to praise one system while bashing the other, even though they're both equally bad.

Of course it's possible to find one system to fit your personal tastes better than the other, but that doesn't mean the system itself is better or worse.

>Criticism Capitalism
>Criticism others for criticism other forms of gov't

I'm not trying to criticise them, I'm trying to point out that none of them are perfect. Therefore we don't have the right to say one political system is bad because it's not perfect, but at the same time praise another political system even though it's not perfect either.

Also, learn some grammar.

>>4229196
It's called typo dumbass. And you did agree with him if you just critcisized. Now you trying to take a neutral view. "Oh I never criticisized, whetever floats your boat". Fuck off. Actually we do have the right since people can pick their own form of gov't.

God it must suck being american and constantly having to convince yourself that the reason everyone hates you is jealousy. I guess being fat christians sucks too.

>>4229241
actually it's pretty sweet here and I don't care if others are jelly or not

>>4229195
>Where it didn't provide facts.
Where exactly? Which articles exactly? Just give me the link and say "you said this and the article said this". Because honestly, I don't believe you. Just being you don't have reading comprehension doesn't mean I'm wrong.

>Yeah it doesn't since he irrelevant.
>The VP is the President of the Senate and can preside over it

I am not American (clearly), my country doesn't even have a presidential republic system and I know that the vice president kind of represents shit. And when he's corrupt, I think that proves something. But what, are you actually implying America isn't corrupt.

>Robbed by junkie, claims junkies aren't ruining his city? WTF?
The guy was white. Does that mean that whites are ruining my city? He was from a lower middle class apartment too (I knew the guy), does that mean apartments are ruining my society? He was already a criminal.

>Ask me again why I don't take you srsly?
>Please learn something fag, don't use random websites.
Three of those sites cited the WTO. Is that random to you?

CONT'D

>>4229304
>You're a dumbass. I said I's about population. Try again.
No, you said the voter turnout decline I mentioned wasn't accurate because "lol the population was lower at the time of the civil war". Which is wrong because the population wasn't lower since then and it was clearly about rates.

>Duh it doesn't. I just said that, If you learn to read. Maybe if you provided relevant sources.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-
murder-rates
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/death-penalty/us-death-penalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and
-deterrence

Murder rates are higher in states with the death penalty compared to states who haven't exercised it since the 70s. If it is stopping crime it certainly isn't showing.

>drug dealers and drug users in jail. It's called rule of law.
But the law isn't always right. And that law is clearly been proven to be ineffective, stupid and costly.

>first time you cited the WTO. Yeah because wikipedia is accurate. Yeah because you don't know how to look up other sources.
Actually, the first website I gave you on drugs two posts ago directly cited the WTO at the bottom sources. And yes Wikipedia can be inaccurate, but those little numbers on the side mean that Wiki was citing something else, therefore it wasn't made up. If you follow those references you'll see I was accurate. Which points were uncited?

>You know you really are a dumbfuck, maybe if you take your head out your ass and learn maybe you'll get somewhere. Fag?
At least I know how to cite arguments. And yes I am gay, what of it? And no, I don't want to fuck you. Since I know dumb hicks like you assume we all rape babies or something.

>Clearly never been a big intercity.

And big intercities are destroyed, how? Provide some examples and give me some proof that those examples are cause exclusively by drugs.

>Wrong no facts to prove this. Just your opinion you got from a random website. GG?

Why should I further try to prove myself when you don't provide any kind of source for your bullshit yourself?

>Death penalty stopping crime. Are you stupid. It doesn't.

That's my fucking point you idiot. Death penalty does NOT stop crime. The crime rate in countries with death penalty is actually HIGHER. Therefore it's retarded to still have it.

>Roffle and you calling somone else dumb. Please go learn something, stop using made up facts.

You can't keep demanding facts from other people while not providing others with facts yourself. You're the one saying all proof is bullshit and you want some actual 'proof', even though you're spouting nothing but shit yourself.

Are you actually American? Your spelling and grammar is worse than mine, even though I only started learning the English language a few years ago.

>>4229241
I know. They should take the criticism as something to incite them to want to go and make their country better. But instead they insist that they're still okay.

>>4229245
Except whatever luxuries you have all other industrialized nations have. And you still have a freakishly high murder and obesity rate, with freakishly high tuition.

Yeah, I'd be concerned.

>>4229328
>And you still have a freakishly high murder and obesity rate, with freakishly high tuition.

high murder rate yeah but a lot of killings are gang on gang violence, violence which is to be expected in a heavily armed society like we are. The obesity rates don't scare me too much because countries like Greece, and Mexico, and the U.K aren't far behind and no one cares about them. There are plenty of grants and scholarships and state colleges are pretty cheap.

>>4229304
>Where exactl....
The ones you posted.

>The VP is the President of the Senate and can preside over it
No shit. President of the Senate having any power, Lol.

>I am not American (clearly)
No shit I can tell, so much jelly.

>The guy was white....
Did I say that or junkie?

>Three of those sites cited the WTO..
Citied the WTO on which infomation.

>No, you said the voter turnout decline..
Doesn't make sense, compare the population of the civil war to now. Then try again.

>http://www.deathpenaltyinfo...
Clearly you don't read. Nor take into account population of the states comparable to others in these charts. Who said it's stopping crime?

>But the law isn't always right..
Arresting drug dealers and users is right. Keeping the street clean is worth it.

>Actually, the first website I gave you on drugs two posts ago direc..?
No actually they weren't. Go check them? Using wikipedia for sources is just dumb. Do I need to explain?

>At least I know how to cite arguments...
Cite arguments with shitty sources. Doesn't understand I'm from the north. Doesn't understand hicks. Doesn't understand nothing.

>>4229328
If you think the VP serves any purpose, then yeah, you're clearly not American.

>>4229304
Listen this guy clearly knows he's wrong and he's trolling you at this point.

Damn this fucking country to hell.
I hope I can get out of here in time.

Norway, please, please let me in.
Or Fiji.
Or Seychelles.
You know, any of you guys. PLEASEEEE

>>4229408
>The ones you posted.
So you say all of them? Okay, please go through all of my links and compare them to what I said. Now tell me how they're inaccurate.

>No shit I can tell, so much jelly.
Except my country is awesome and I'd rather die than live in yours. America is awesome, I like your movies and all. But really it's just a small gain in my opinion. Your country is fucked.

>Citied the WTO on which infomation.
Every single one of the websites saying that alcohol was deadlier than most drugs. Look.

Also.. "infomation"?

>Doesn't make sense, compare the population of the civil war to now. Then try again.
Firstly, it's a rate. Do you understand that? Secondly, the population was lower then.

>population of the states comparable to others in these charts.
Again, it's a rate. It's not relative to population.

>Who said it's stopping crime?
If it isn't stopping crime, why do it? It costs more than life in prison.

>Arresting drug dealers and users is right. Keeping the street clean is worth it.
Why is it right? What have they done wrong?

>Using wikipedia for sources is just dumb. Do I need to explain?
How is it dumb? The Wikipedia references I made had non-Wikipedia souces.

>Cite arguments with shitty sources. Doesn't understand I'm from the north. Doesn't understand hicks. Doesn't understand nothing.
What 'shitty sources'? WTO seems good to me.
And you don't need to be from the south to be a hick, sweetie. You are a dumb hick.

I don't understand nothing? I don't think that's grammatically correct. if I don't understand nothing, that means there is nothing I don't understand. And in my vast understanding I understand what a rate is.

>>4229476
Yeah, I figured that. But I'm bored. Really bored.

>>4228004
>So you say all of them? ...
Some, you go through them. You posted the bs.

>Except my country is awesome
Please tell us your country so we can bash it. Opinions..Matter

>Every single one of the websites...
This about alcohol being more dangerous than drugs is not even accepted widely, it's still being debated.

>Firstly, it's a rate....
Firstly, Population goes hand in hand with rate. Secondly, No shit that's what I was saying.

>Again, it's a rate. It's not relative to population.
Omg, Rate... Compare population.

>If it isn't stopping crime, why do it? It costs more than life in prison.
To get rid of them?

>Why is it right? What have they done wrong?
Ruin cities?

>How is it dumb? The Wikipedia references I made had non-Wikipedia souces.
Use wikipedia, then clain you didn't use wikipedia. ?

>What 'shitty sources'? ...
Wto, legit kinda but most of your links are bs. Clearly you don't understand what a hick is. I rather be that then a fag getting in the butt.

>I don't understand nothing...
Doesn't not Don't, read before typing.

>>4228004

OP is wrong on almost all points though. American has an extremely high hdi and our ppp gdp per capita even beats some Scandinavian countries. Our hdi and ppp gdp per capita actually beats the 3 main eu countries. Our debt is pretty much average for a western country and is pretty low for a country that goes to war and has a military budget as large as ours. Most of op's other points are points that only faggots would care about. Suck it up hippie.

>>4229560
You're trolling at this point, but I'm bored.

>Some, you go through them. You posted the bs.
So... this point is invalid and I won this part? Okay.

>Please tell us your country so we can bash it.
Canada.

>This about alcohol being more dangerous than drugs is not even accepted widely, it's still being debated.
WTO is a pretty good source. Show me this 'debate'. Alcohol is just as bad as most commonly used drugs. Therefore there is no logical reason to outlaw them.

>Population goes hand in hand with rate.
A rate is like a fraction. You have 4/2 and 6/2, you find a common denominator so that you can compare them. But once you find that common denominator original population becomes irrelevant.

>To get rid of them?
You can get rid of the by locking them up.

>Ruin cities?
How?

> then clain you didn't use wikipedia. ?
Never said I didn't. I said that this wasn't some recently edited rambling, it was citing another article. Wikipedia is just a list of real sources.

>your links are bs
Which ones? Don't say all of them, got to be specific.

> I rather be that then a fag getting in the butt.
>implying I am not the pitcher

>>4228019
You won't leave. Nobody ever leaves.

>>4229592
Looks are your original posts and says other people are trolling.

>So... this point is invalid and I won this part? Okay.
Nah your sources are invalid, using crappy wikipedia articles.

>Canada.
Roffle, Awesome? Should I make a new post about your socialists utopia?

>WTO is a pretty good source.
Wto, No. First you say it's worse now you say it's just as bad. There is a logical reason, look at intercity where its a virus.

>A rate is like a fraction...
Rate means jack diddly, Population is what matters. Again compare the two from the civil war and now.

>You can get rid of the by locking them up.
Takes up space?

>How?
You don't know how drugs ruin cities?

>Never said I didn't. I said...
Makes no sense at all. Didn't refute that you used wiki earlier then you said you didn't.

>Which ones? Don't say all of them, got to be specific.
The ones I outlined earlier.

>implying I am not the pitcher
Oh you're not. I can tell.

>capitalism
>morality

Pick one.

To americans thinking about moving to Europe: the reason they have good healthcare and safety nets is high government debt. If you expect to go and enjoy good social services expect to lose them in 10-20 years. If you expect to die before that, enjoy.

Commrade! You need to fight!

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>>4228090
breivik? They let u use komputor in solitary?

>>4229689

>Who gives a shit about anyone else, as long as I'm fine.

How selfish. This is why people hate America. Their country kills millions and their citizens don't care as long as it's not themselves.

>>4229699

It's not selfish. A lot of countries do much worse, but you morons always single us out. Selfish is gratifying your own ego by picking a successful nation and and bad-mouthing them so you can feel morally superior while ignoring those murdered elsewhere in Africa & Asia. It let's you feel like you're the moral one without actually doing anything but picking on the nation the tries to do some good out of blatant envy.

>>4229732

Sorry, you're right, I should do it the American way. Let's just ignore the issues because hey, "other countries do it, right?" and, "At least we're not China". We're number one remember, that's why people criticize us, we don't need to improve, 'murika!

>>4229732

>It's not selfish

Yes it is. Don't try to rationalize it.

>Still behind when it comes to social progression (racism, homophobia)

Spot on about homophobia but you're wrong about racism. America is the least racist country in the world the only reason why it's always on the media is because we're the only country to address the issue as a real problem. Most countries including the ones in Europe ignore it and brush the issue under the table