No you have no right to exist.

Why bother? Gàidhlig is nearly extinct.

>Fight for independence
>Join the EU

only if you ask nicely.


so the likelihood is slim.

>>4031575
but why?

how does it feel to be so irrelevant

>>4031563
Sure. Right after all of ireland gains independence.

>>4031619
Say that to my face and not online fucker and see what happens

>Any Celtic nation
>Deserving freedom from the English at this point

lol, you all speak English and follow a great deal of English custom, what's even the point of independence anymore?

>>4031761
Why should America, Canda, Australia, New Zealand and Ireland be free?

>>4031751
>Rant about SCOTTISH FREEDOMS.
>Post pictures of an American in a terrible, atrociously historically inaccurate film.

Yeah? Nope.

>>4031779
define "free"

>>4031779
Geography (except for Ireland).

Honestly, I'd support Celtic independence if the inhabitants could even call themselves Celts anymore, but honestly they're just a bunch of mixed-breeds who speak English. They have no right to call themselves Irish, Scottish, Welsh, etc.

>>4031803
A sovereign nation, able to run it's own international and domestic affairs.

>>4031797
>Mel Gibson
>american

>>4031804
Bullshit. All those countries except Ireland are decended from British settelers. Why did those respective nations want freedom?

>>4031813
You mean like England is?

Oh wait. Scotland has more say in England's domestic policies than vice versa.

Suck it up, both countries benefit far more from the union than they would from independence, than they would being the bitch of the larger European countries or America.

Now get your tiny dickwaving nationalistic pissant head to bed, it's almost 4AM.

>>4031839
Geography. Makes more sense to have home rule than to be ruled by a government thousands of miles away. If they were in close proximity to Britain doubtless they would've remained British.

Isn't there an upcoming referendum on Scottish independence? Or did it already fail to pass? If the latter, what was the vote % for and against?

>>4031817
Born in New York, bud. Holds an American passport. That strikes me as pretty American.

As an Australian of Scottish descent I support this.

>>4031869
Nah, it's not been done yet. The current Scottish First Minister has promised it though, so it should come before the next election. It will more likely than not fail, however. Because the majority of Scots aren't pants on head retarded.

>>4031856
And do you not think that many Scots want home rule?

>>4031869
The SNP have a majority so they are going to put through a referendum in 2 or 3 years time.

>>4031888
But Scotland needs independence so Sweden can sphere them and form greater Scandinavia!

Is the UK a federal state?

>>4031929
Kind of but not really. Its not really clear. This is deliberate.

>>4031888
I'm not retarded and I support independence. Scotland as a nation would be much, much better off not in the union.

Currently Scotland is around 14th highest GDP in the world. and If we get independence figures show we would be around 7th. That would take us just below norway, and above the USA.

>>4031563
>please
If one must ask nicely, as opposed to with force of arms, then no.

>>4031940
Wow, i think you need to find out what GDP is.

It scares me that people like you can vote.

>>4031959
Sorry, I meant to type GDP per person.

>>4031891
I say they don't deserve it, due to few cultural differences and geographic proximity.

If they all still spoke Gaelic then I would feel differently. Same goes for the other Celtic nations.

>>4031563
It is necessary for the Scots to take up arms against the sachenach, and for Ireland to get those seven counties back. Yes, blood will be shed, and rightfully so.

After we do that, we will take down that fence that you put around the statue of William Wallace.

>>4031987
And we'll take our bloody stone back too!

>>4031981
So Ireland doesn't deserve Independence?

I personally feel that Canada should just annex the USA, I don't think they deserve freedom due to geographic proximity, and a shared culture.

Seriously, look at the argument you are making.

No.

Isn't something like 80% of your GDP a direct result of British government jobs? You'd have riots in the streets within three hours of independence.

Also, the last thing Earth needs is another hard-left government oppressing its citizens.

>>4031987
That's nice dear.

and if it's the statue i'm thinking of, then you might want to look up some news articles. The fence is there to protect it from Scots who think it's atrocious sculpting is an affront to the eyes. and rightly so!

you would break up Britain and the English would have to refer to themselves as English again

>>4032024
I see the argument I'm making, and my mind isn't changed.

The Irish parade about bitching about independence when there isn't really anything substantial that makes them different from the English at this point. They're all the same. It's about as stupid as Austria, Luxemburg, or Liechtenstein being independent.

hate ireland all you want but at least we fought for our freedom. We didn't bother with the constitutional shit because that's gonna take you 30 more years of exploitation for that to happen. Comrade, form an army and fight a war. Fuck the british army

>>4031987
You do know the reason that those seven counties are still part of the UK is because of Scottish settlers, right?

Oh, but i forgot. Everything's the fault of "them". The English.

Britfags. Explain why Scotland has a separate legal system.

>>4032078
We're all like, human beings man. Why don't we just have a one world government? there isn't really anything substantial that makes us different from anyone else.

christ.

>Scotland
>rule England in a personal union
>Scotland wants independence now
dat's some funny ass shit

>>4032111
Because they voted for it and it got passed. That's how things work in civilised countries.

If they vote for independence and it passes, they'll get it.

There's no consideration for how efficient or worthwhile a system is, you just have to wave a flag and shout some nationalist slogans and people line up to do stupid things.

>>4032111
We're semi autonomous. We have a devolved government, like Wales and Northern Ireland.

It might be that, or It might be something we decided to keep when creating the union with England, I'm not sure bro.

>>4032113
Because peoples have the right to their own self-determination. That said, we are all different, thus why don't we have different governments?
...Oh wait, we already do!

>>4032113
>>We're all like, human beings man. Why don't we just have a one world government? there isn't really anything substantial that makes us different from anyone else.

Yes there is: Haggis.

>>4032117
The world isn't like EU3 unfortuantly. We're pretty much being dominated by English culture.

When people think of a Brittish accent, it is always and English one.

People say "England" when they mean "Britain".

>>4032113
>hurr durr he said some countries are ethnically identical, clearly he wants a one-world government fucking hippy

What are you, stupid?

>>4032162
Haggis is delicious, you should try it. It's not really made with sheeps bladder anymore. We just use sausage skins now.

It tastes like a mixture between black pudding and sage and onion stuffing.

>>4032162
Haggis and the fact that those sachenach wankers are multikulti pussies who are afraid that anyone will not like any little thing they say.
It's high time we gave them a swift kick in the butt back to that shithole called London and find a descendant of Bonnie Prince Charles to sit on a fine chair made of English bones!

>Scotland
>Never contributed anything to mankind

>>4032178
I'm trying to make the point that every nation deserves to be sovereign and have the right to run it's own affairs, but he's just not getting it.

>>4032169
Not really. The "British" accent everyone usually thinks of is region neutral. Queen's English has no region, seriously, it just tends to come from Public Schooling. Look it up.
Each little part of England has it's own accent too. Just listen to the disparity between Brummie, Devon, Lancashire, Essex etc.

>>4032169

And I think of Paris when I think of France. I'm sure the southerners are so pissed.

Is there meant to be a point in your statement?

>>4032169
Exactly why Scotland must be independent by any means - if anything to preserve our posterity.

How do people from Brittany feel about independence from France? Aren't they Celtic? What about Normandy? Do they want to become part of Norway now?

>>4032214
I know. and no the typical British accent is Received Pronunciation, which has become the standard South England accent, with the exception of devon and cornwall.

>>4032231
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_Proscription_1746
It was part of a series of efforts to assimilate the Scottish Highlands, ending their ability to revolt, and the first of the 'King's laws' which sought to crush the Clan system in the aftermath of the Jacobite Rising of 'Forty-Five. These laws were finally repealed on 1 July 1782

Said laws were repealed because they did their fucking job. If we, as Scots, cannot send the sachenach crying back to London and their German bitch they call queen, then we are not fit to call ourselves Scots!

>>4032225
We do not want to be part of the UK, pretty much is the point of this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyykrvPot0g

Ye Jacobites by name, give an ear, give an ear,
Ye Jacobites by name, give an ear,
Ye Jacobites by name,
Your fautes I will proclaim,
Your doctrines I maun blame, you shall hear.

What is Right, and What is Wrang, by the law, by the law?
What is Right and what is Wrang by the law?
What is Right, and what is Wrang?
A short sword, and a lang,
A weak arm and a strang, for to draw.

What makes heroic strife, famed afar, famed afar?
What makes heroic strife famed afar?
What makes heroic strife?
To whet th' assassin's knife,
Or hunt a Parent's life, wi' bluidy war?

Then let your schemes alone, in the state, in the state,
Then let your schemes alone in the state.
Then let your schemes alone,
Adore the rising sun,
And leave a man undone, to his fate.

>>4032246
A small minority want independence for Breizh (mostly Breton-speakers). The rest are French immigrants or have been Francisised by the French government (and they form the majority).

>>4032284
Another classic pro independence song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKT7qxk9-pw

>>4032263
and the counterpoint of the thread is: Why?

Scots aren't being repressed. The economy's not particularly shit. The only thing i've ever gleamed from these threads is that you're mildly disgruntled about the conservatives being in power, not having a Scottish Prime Minister for the first time in a decade and having your fat English welfare subsidies cut.

>>4032307
We are a nation and as such want to run our own affairs.

>bleed the resources from Wales and Scotland
>close down their industries
>pursue an ideology vastly different from theirs
>tell them that leaving is a stupid idea, we did so many good things for you and rely on us!
>continue this rhetoric, ignoring the supranational organisation just across the sea

English logic?

>Europe
>wants to further the balkanization of their already tiny continent
>mfw

>>4032315
THIS!
>>4032325
More like English deceit! The only good a sachenach tongue is one that's cut's off and bleeding! They have no business waggling unless en route from its former home to the ground!

>>4032307

Well considering the Conservatives have continually fucked over anything that isn't in the south-east of the entire United Kingdom, it would be stupid to be happy with one of Thatcher's minions in power. Extremely naive, even.

>>4032315
But you already do. As much as anybody else in this country does, anyway.

and i don't know if you've noticed, but you're pretty much identical to the rest of Britain culturally. No, hating English people for no good reason, a weird sausage and a fancy form of legwear don't count.

I have no idea why you people get so angry over this stuff either.

>>4032345
>My name is anon and I cannot into Gaelic

It's Sassenach, you tool

>>4032307
Reasons are as follow:
> Support local culture, customs, and language to prevent them from becoming Brittany 2.0
> The economy would probably be better because they could keep the oil industry localized.
> Keep English and Paki immigration down
> Every unique people has their own community outlook and as a people have the right to self-determination.

Plenty of countries have gained independence for reasons much worse than Scotland's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GowMI4wvmU4&NR=1&feature=fvwp

Let Italy boast of her gay gilded waters
Her vines and her bowers and her soft sunny skies
Her sons drinking love from the eyes of her daughters
Where freedom expires amid softness and sighs
Scotland's blue mountains wild where hoary cliffs are piled
Towering in grandeur are dearer tae me
Land of the misty cloud land of the tempest loud
Land of the brave and proud land of the free
Enthroned on the peak of her own highland mountains
Te spirit of Scotia reigns fearless and free
Her green tartan waving o'er blue rock and fountain
And proudly she sings looking over the sea
Here among my mountains wild I have serenely smiled
When armies and empires against me were hurled
Firm as my native rock I have withstood the shock
Of England, of Denmark, or Rome and the world
But see how proudly her war steeds are prancing
Deep groves of steel trodden down in their path
The eyes of my sons like their bright swords are glancing
Triumphantly riding through ruin and death
Bold hearts and nodding plumes wave o'er their bloody tombs
Deepeyed in gore is the green tartan's wave
Shivering are the ranks of steel dire is the horseman's wheel
Victorious in battlefield Scotland the brave
Bold hearts and nodding plumes wave o'er their bloody tombs
Deepeyed in gore is the green tartan's wave
Shivering are the ranks of steel dire is the horseman's wheel
Victorious in battlefield Scotland the brave
Victorious in battlefield Scotland the brave

>>4032353
>But you already do.
We do not...
>As much as anybody else in this country does, anyway.
...and you have conceded as such

Off with yae

>>4032345
Oh shut up already. I haven't seen you make a single good point in this entire thread.

>>4032346
Considering Labour fucked over everything including the little patch in the south east, I'll say i'm happy with the Tories for now.

>>4032367
You're right; I beg your pardon. Sassenach is indeed correct.

>>4032386
Go fuck a Paki you sassenach; I do not need to be making points to the likes of you unless we're talking about the point of a spear!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPaJhlIIYjM&feature=related

O flower of Scotland
When will we see
Your like again
That fought and died for
Your wee bit hill and glen
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again

The hills are bare now
And autumn leaves lie thick and still
O'er land that is lost now
Which those so dearly held
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again

Those days are passed now
And in the past they must remain
But we can still rise now
And be the nation again
And stood against him
Proud Edward's army
And sent him homeward
Tae think again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDOJpCAaAq4

I could see Scotland separating from the EU if they formed their own country.

>>4032401
Fuck off. No-one cares about your gay songs.

>>4032353

Because we English are arrogant cunts, the Tories are MASSIVE cunts, and having your ability to rule dictated by either is, as things go, illogical as a long-term strategy for surviving as a country. Plus every time somebody says "Scotland will fail without England" they have apparently forgotten that the EU ever existed.

Scotland will be fine as they are, sure, but there ability to govern themselves now is not guaranteed or absolute and any chance to make that the case is for them, a good pursuit.

>>4032416
I'd prefer us to become like Norway, not a member but we have a close relationship with the EU.

>>4032418
Buttmad Englander detected.

>>4032397
Oh my, we've been playing a lot of Medieval II recently, haven't we? That's word for word the spiel given by the Scottish ambassador. Scotland was annhialated a few turns later of course.

and it's nice that you've got a word for us south of the border, we don't have the same privelage. I don't think you were ever considered enough of a threat.

>>4032426
>Implying I'm English
I don't have to be English to dislike your gay songs and your gay spamming.

>>4032429
You call us Jocks, mate.

>>4032429
You'll find a word soon enough.

>>4032386

I guarantee whatever fucked up reason you for Labour's apparent failure is somehow them simply doing a shit job on something the Tories did.

Unless it's Farming related, that's the one thing conservatives get right. Too bad farming is a community of leeches whining about their business becoming mildly unsustainable.

>>4032425
DEFINITELY FEEL.
Stay out of EU to keep immigration down and to stay out of southern affairs and general Euroshit. The national model for an independent Scotland should mirror that of Norway since both have a small population and lots of oil money. Despite recent happenings, Norway is actually one of the nicest countries around and the conditions of their existence are basically the same as those of Scotland.

>>4032450
hahaha, oh really?

Well, why don't you get planning your little bomb plot or school shooting or whatever you want to threaten the EBUL ENGLISH with, the sooner you realise the state of Scotland is more the fault of the Scottish people themselves and nobody else the better.

>>4032443
oh yeah, i forgot about that. Good call.

>>4032461
Exactly Scotland is pretty much Scandinavian anyway right? Right?

Oh well.

Become independent, rename the country "Pictland".

Everyone can cover themselves in tatoos and run around the highlands like wildmen.

>>4032472
>implying Scotland isn't Scandinavian

>>4032467
>the sooner you realise the state of Scotland is more the fault of the Scottish people themselves and nobody else the better.

LOLWAT

That's some serious bullshit right there. I suppose if you say a lie convincingly enough people make think it true.

>>4032467
What? Right now Scotland is a better place to live than England.

I mean, you guys have to pay for Univeristy, Prescription, the Dentist and Water.

We get all that free thanks to Socialist SNP government. Also we don't need to pay any more taxes than you.

>>4032477
I wish we were.

>>4032472
Economically it's very much like Norway - smallish pop and lots of oil.

And the cultural links and historical links Norway has to its neighbors are the same as Scotland has to ITS neighbors.

They're both former warrior countries gone peaceful that have a bit of a racial-isolate pride complex going on.

>>4032460
Selling off the gold reserves at an all time low? That was a pretty big fuckup.

Having three consecutive majorities in parliament and building the biggest national debt the country has seen since WW2? that was a pretty big fuckup.

Growing the public sector to a massive and unsustainable size, with horrible inefficiencies just to boost unemployment figures?

How's the British manufacturing sector they promised would be reborn? Oh wait.

I'm fed up with all the parties on offer. But Conservatives were the lesser of two evils last election, and they're pro nuclear. Which suits my job prospects.

>>4032467
I cannot comment upon any alleged plan, or whether such a plan is even in the works without risking legal liability at this point. When you see it, though, you'll know it as my handiwork.

>>4032490
YES! Scotland and Norway bros for life.

Fuck the EU
Fuck Sweden
Fuck England

>>4032482
Yeah, how do you think all that's funded? It's sure as fuck not coming out of YOUR taxes.

>>4032478
Oh puir wee Scotland. England's fucked them up so badly. All the English people need to pay for what they did to innocent little Scotland. Give me a fucking break. Scotland's had the better deal for decades if not centuries.

>>4032490
There's not that much oil left in Scotland, bro. and what happens when it runs out? Norways set aside the best part of half a trillion dollars for when theirs goes. Bear in mind you're both drilling the same fields here.

>>4032501
I'll know when I see you in handcuffs on the news more like, followed by a report on your antics being the death of the Scottish independence movement because you've associated the movement with terrorism.

>>4032510
No it comes from british taxes which are paid to the UK government, which then allocates Scotland a national budget to spend in whatever way the government sees fit.

Also I should point out that the way the budget is calculated, via the barnett formula, is pretty unfair to Scotland, the British government keeps alot of our money, this is another reason for independence.