did you make that on paint?

Get a red pen, push the red pen into your asshole so that just the tip is standing out alone. Put this under your ass and wiggle your hips around like youre trying to fuck the air. When youre done, and by done i mean enough red marks so i cant see this picture anymore, take the pen out while still squatting over it and let your shit leak out onto it.

Don't use MS Paint. And if you don't use MS Paint, don't try to mimic it.

Aside from that, just about everything. If the universe was an ideal place, you wouldn't even be able to write that well, because you'd be a kid in elementary school, because that's the skill level of this piece.

This can't be "improved". You've effectively finished it. It's a finished, shitty drawing. The best you can do is redraw it, but you'll exhaust your mind faster constantly redoing old shit than by coming up with new things.

Next time you draw, DON'T use shitty perspective. DON'T half-ass the background. When you draw the figure, spend time making sure all the elements of the drawing work together in terms of perspective and proportion BEFORE you fully define the lines or add color. How will you know everything's in proportion? Through study.

Cute monster, by the way. Like an East River-tan.

>>443519
Op here, if just the tip is sticking out of my ass, my buttcheeks would get in the way dumbass. You obviously haven't learned to art properly. Also using red is just pretentious.

>>443516
yea

>>443524
>>443523
Yea, "Suck Less" is good advice. You guys may indeed be fantastic artists, but you suck ass at teaching.

>>443527
You suck ass at learning. You knew that the right arm is wrong. Why didn't you draw it so it wouldn't be wrong?

1. This is probably a troll.

2. http://ipgd.freehostia.com/copypasta.html
http://ipgd.freehostia.com/

Fuck you. DON'T DRAW ANIME. If you can't draw period, you can't draw anime. Get a solid foundation, then you can move towards the animu.

http://ipgd.freehostia.com/copypasta.html

best advice i can give you

>>443530
Because I figured it out afterwards. Have some godamn common sense.
>>443532
If you think I'm a troll, fantastic, critique it anyways and tell me what is wrong with the drawing instead of being a limp dick.

Things horribly wrong:
1. Look at the hand.
2. Her breasts are either horribly misshapen, or tucked into the shirt for some reason.
3. I have no clue what this crab/witch/vomit/clamhead/transfused genderbending fuckfestering cuntcavity hand-face grass tube is doing in some random lake.
4. Nice background.
5. Ms paint
6. Not even anime, even worse.
7. Your clouds are polygons.

>>443535
Common sense dictates that you proportion-check BEFORE you ink and color. You were lazy. That's what's wrong with your picture.

Next time, don't be lazy. Problem solved!

>>443536
1. Yea the thumb is too thin and too long I know that, is there anything else wrong with the hand?
2. Fair enough
3. I don't see how that's related
4. I already said that
5. Fuck you, what's wrong with ms paint, I don't have photoshop.
6. Yea yea yea
7. I already said that

But I mean these are the kind of comments I want, tell me what's actually wrong with the picture, stop with the copypasta shit.

>>443539
The copypasta is better advice. Listing what's wrong with your picture is a vanity exercise. You'll just keep making the same mistakes.

>>443535
When it's a giant shitfest it's easier to point out the entire thing is terrible and needs work rather than actually making a nice list

>>443539

There's a few for ya.

Now gtfo and practice, don't post again for a year or two.

>>443540
Yea you're right, I'll learn how to draw these types of drawings better in the future by reading copypasta over and over instead of actually listening to what is wrong with them. Thank you, I've had an epiphany, limp dick
>>443541
What do you think I am fucking doing right now? Jerking off?

>>443542
If you listened to the copypasta, you'd have studied anatomy and spotted the broken arm INSTANTLY. So yeah, fucking listening would help you.

>>443542
From the looks of things you haven't even grazed over any of it once.

And apparently yes, you probably have /s/ or /b/ open in another tab with your dick in your hand.

>>443543
Well I'm not going to listen to your shit, in fact I already mentioned that in my original post, so if you're not going to take the time to actually provide real critique rather than redirecting me to websites, oh well for you.

Elaborate on how its an 'oh well' for me rather than you just shitting into your hand and rubbing it all over yourself?

You're the one that's not improving nor willing to take any measures to do so aside from 'OH HAY, I SUCK GUYZ, HOW I FIX?'

>>443546
"Stop being a lazy faggot" IS real critique. It'll help you get better faster.

>>443549
Yes because I've stayed exactly the same my entire life, I've drawing paint crab ladies in this exact same quality and I have never improved from real critique.
You know what? I'm not going to draw the forearm shorter or the thumb fatter and shorter or the breasts less lopsided next time, I'm going to to the same exact fucking thing because I can't hear or learn anything because I haven't been paying attention to your copypasta. Thank you wise one.

>>443553
Your drawing looks like the stuff high-schoolers do, so I'd wager what you're calling "improvement" is just the same shit you've always drawn, only with marginally more polished coloring.

Your obsession with style will forever strangle your artistic potential. Either realize that there's more to art than being kawaii or don't complain when everything you make looks like a santorum ass cake.

There's nothing we can say about this piece because *everything* is wrong. We could go through it and point out every single problem, but it would take forever and you'd ultimately learn nothing from it. In this case, it's your attitude that is the problem -- /ic/ is a perfectly good teacher, and I and many many other people have taken away plenty of positive teachings from it, but unless you take that step towards FUCKING LISTENING TO WHAT IS SAID TO YOU EVEN IF IT ISN'T PERSONALLY APPEALING TO YOUR DESIRE FOR INSTANT GRATIFICATION AND REWARD WITHOUT EFFORT, of course you're not going to fucking learn anything. Not even the best professor in the world could teach you anything if you stuck your fingers in your ears and refused to acknowledge anything he said.

Think about why we're telling you these things, and instead of assuming we're just bigotted anti-animu crusaders, consider what what we're saying means and how we arrived at that conclusion. Plenty of us started out with animu, myself included -- and when I realized that my anime would get better *because* of my basic studies, not in spite of it, I actually began to really improve for the first time *ever* and so can you.

You are at the point where you need to help your fucking self. Study anatomy, perspective, color theory, composition and lighting, and then we'll have something constructive to say about your individual pieces. Until then, we've given you plenty of information to learn, so use it to your god damn advantage.

Yet again, read these:

http://ipgd.freehostia.com/copypasta.html
http://ipgd.freehostia.

>>443556
>>443556
The reason why we have to have copypasta for this shit is because so many people who have the same exact mindset you do come here and refuse to listen to absolutely anything we say and it's not worth the effort to rehash it over and over and over again. This shit is common knowledge among professionals and even most amateurs without their heads up the nipponjin sphincter. I don't even know why I'm wasting the time to write this.

>>443555
What if I am in fucking high school?

>>443556
Yea ok, I don't have any right to say that I've completely dedicated myself to this field because I haven't, and I don't have a comprehensive understanding of Realism, but godamn. You can just tell me a few things to improve, What the fuck looks wrong, is it that hard? Godamn.

>>443560
>What if I am in fucking high school?

Then absolutely none of your behavior comes as a surprise.

Yeah, ok nevermind d/ic/ks. Let's take it in this perspective. I WILL learn from the copypasta in the future, and I HAVE learned my lesson, now that that's aside, what looks wrong in this picture to you?

>>443560

See
>>443541

There is honestly nothing good to say about it other than the fact it is done and will hopefully never brought up to troll /ic/ like the good ol' Evil Rick.

>>443560
the entire fucking THING looks wrong, retard. see: You're not going to get instant gratification and reward without effort.

>>443566
You know now I just think that you guys are just making this excuse to make me go see the copypasta page, I bet you don't really have any actual critique and that is why.

Because it's really easy to just say "YOUR WHOLE DRAWING LOOKS LIKE SHIT MADE BY A KINDERGARDENER, GO FUCKING LEARN TO DRAW FROM THE BEGINNING OVER AGAIN" when you are pissed and you want to prove someone wrong, yet you don't have any basis behind your argument.

Y'know.

>>443567
Define "actual critique."

I would hold some weight behind your opinions, if you would actually prove to me that you have a master artist's insight, by giving me some real, solid examples (that haven't already been fucking mentioned) about why the drawing is bad. I would be more inclined to believe you.

Fuck off, troll.

>>443575
Yea. That's what I thought.

It reminded me of this, except it made me want to scoop out my eyes with a melon-baller.

You have no idea what color composition is, or proportions, or what the hell a line is, or how shadows fall or...anything. It's just that bad.

Well I can see this is about to delve into, "Oh well, uhhh, shit he got me, I better say some shit about him not being worth the effort to post critique so that I can save face!"
but I got at least one insightful comment so good enough.

>>443580
I'm not going to go into how blatantly fucking wrong that statement is. How can you not even know the definition of critique and be on this board?

>this thread

>>443582
That comment being "study the principles of art". I'm glad it finally sunk in.

>>443587
"Hurr let me turn his comment around on himself! Hurr I'm funny and clever, I'm going to get pats from all the IC kidz!"

http://pwnpirate.deviantart.com/

uh-huh...

>>443590


fuuuuuuu- Ima gonna get trolled. How did you find that by the way?

>>443589
I would throw away my reputation among /ic/ in a second if it would make you a good artist. Granted, I don't HAVE a reputation here, but it's an honest sentiment.

I want you to stop being shitty.

>>443592

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Are you fucking serious?

>>443560
>We could go through it and point out every single problem, but it would take forever and you'd ultimately learn nothing from it.
But I'll do it anyway, just to make my point:

The background and figure were constructed without understanding of perspective and it is faily obvious. The horizon line is placed at her eyes, but with the way her body is set, it appears like she is set in a plane with a much lower horizon line. If you look at how the bottoms of the rocks meet the waterline, it makes the entire background plane seem slanted downwards.

The lines are angular and inorganic. There are no straight lines in nature. This is particularly jarring on the body and the ripples of the water.

The light source is inconsistent. According to her torso and forearm, it's coming from a place right above and between her armpit, breast and forearm (???); according to her face, it's coming from the upper right; according to her hair, it's coming from the front and slightly up; according to the orange goopy crap, it's coming from straight above; according to the right cloud, it's coming from the top right, and on the left, from straight above. Some parts have no shading whatsoever, like the crab limbs, the hat protrusions, the rocks in the background, etc.

>>443595
There's no attention to cast shadows. You put them in the places that your how-to-draw-animu tutorials tell you to put them (under hair, under the head), but nowhere else. There is no cast shadow on the background, on her shoulders from the hat, on the hat from its protrusions, from her bow, etc. I doubt you understand the difference between a form shadow and a cast shadow.

There is no range in your values, not because you like to use two tones only, but because you have no idea how light and shadow work. You might also like to use only two tones, but you couldn't apply more even if you wanted to (and what you do apply looks like shit because you don't understand how real light interacts with real objects that aren't paper cutouts).

There is no application of color theory. There is no such thing as a 0% saturation grey. There is more to coloring than lowering the brightness slider. All colors are tinted by their light source; under an orange light (e.g. indoor lighting), colors will be tinted orange, and shadows will be affected with a color *complement* to the light source (in this case, blue). Saturation also changes between highlight and shadow; it's the strongest at the core of the shadow, and lessens in both directions outwards.

>>443596
You added specular highlights to the water in white, but you didn't understand that you were adding specular highlights to the water because you have no idea what a specular highlight is or how it's supposed to look. You colored the water blue because of the specular reflection of the sky, but you don't understand that you were drawing a specular reflection of the sky on the water because you have no idea what a specular reflection is or how it's supposed to look. You completely skipped the reflections of the rock and clouds because you do not understand that water is a highly reflective surface and that its properties are almost entire defined by its reflection and translucency. You understand it to be blue because you don't understand it.

There's no real balance to the composition. Everything is slapped where ever you decided it would go and you obviously didn't give much thought to it.

Your attempts at drawing textures are a joke. Throwing dots around and drawing scratchy black hairs off the outline of an object is not how these things work. If you want ot give an object texture, and you do not already know how these textures are supposed to work, you are supposed to look for a picture of, if not what you're trying to draw, an approximate in substance. No, there are no goop lolis rising out of the water, but there ARE pictures of water, children, grabs, goop, dresses, etc. that you should look at and piece together in order to construct your piece.

>>443594
Fuck, I am the biggest dumbass alive. FUUUUUUUUUU
oh well I guess I'll have to make a new damn account.
Godamn hurr durr.
I just wanted some godamn critique

>>443595
>>443596
>>443598

Oshit, gonna bust out a fucking notebook

>>443598
The hair is clumpy. That's not how hair works. It looks like shit. Look at real hair.

She has the same dumb 3/4 head angle that every single animu faggot always draws. I will bet you real fucking money that you cannot, and maybe have never tried to, draw a face in any angle or perspective except straight on, 3/4, and if you're an extremely dedicated weeaboo, profile (but I'd also bet you do that stupid fucking teacup muzzle bullshit).

Anatomically speaking, the neck is far too small and placed too far back. You obviously do not know what muscles make up the neck and there is little to no evidence of any understanding of the muscular or bone structure in any other part of this image, either. You drew symbols where the collarbones were supposed to be because you don't know how collarbones work, what they do or how they're supposed to look. The shoulders and bulbous and formless. The upper arm barely passes what I am assuming is supposed to be her breast. Her forwarm is twice as long as her upper arm. Her hand is backwards and her fingers fluctuate in thickness in a way that is nonsensical with respect to the bone structure. Her index finger appears to be attached on sideways. The way the hand attaches to the wrist is grotesquely broken; the only way you would be able to see it from that exact angle is if the arm and wrist were positioned exactly behind the hand.

And there are probably even more problems than that because I don't fucking know anything and I was generalizing greatly.

I like it, crabs are cool. Decent shading and all that good stuff too. BUT she look awfully boring for someone such interesting design. It's probably the posture. I'm no anatomy jew but anyone can see its pretty messed up, especially the chest, arm, shoulder... fuck it, everything actually. I think it's neat drawing overall but you it's clearly not finished and need to get on the ball with ANATOMY!!!!

>>443599
It's funny how on your DA account you're literate, but you keep making spelling errors when you post here. It's almost as if you took someone else's art and posted it here to start trouble.

>>443603
Smells like Evil Rick, take two.

>>443601
and what the fuck was the point of me writing all that when YOU WOULD FIGURE OUT THE SAME FUCKING THINGS BY STUDYING THE BASICS, ALL OF WHICH YOU CAN GET A START ON BY READING THE BOOKS IN THIS FUCKING LINK:

http://ipgd.freehostia.com/

Do something for yourself instead of asking other people to do it for you next time

>>443603
No it's fucking hillarious that's why. Who the fuck doesn't like angry video game nerd? I'm more reserved on my account because my friends can actually read that shit.

>>443608
I'm not going to go out and buy fucking books there's an art critique board right here! I don't have money to buy shit

>>443612
Did you even fucking look at it? Almost every single link has a download attached or is an online tutorial.

And Jesus Christ, an art critique board cannot teach you what very experienced professionals with published books will teach you. Stop being a dumbass.

>>443613
Yea well it's hard to pick that out amongst a wading shitpile of THIS:http://ipgd.freehostia.com/copypasta.html
That's why I have a problem.

>>443610
I didn't realize that Angry Whoever's schtick included spelling like a downsy retard. Could someone else clear that up? Can the nerd type correctly?

>>443614
If you don't have the patience to read a short article, you don't have the patience to be an artist.

>>443615
Also I don't think out many of these comments for more than 10 seconds, it's an instant chat board. Come on.

>>443614
what the fuck are you talking about

the books are in an entirely separate link, that is why everyone has been posting TWO

because you're supposed to look at BOTH OF THEM

shut the fuck up and go read them you shitfaced neanderthal, and if you really try, maybe you can understand what is being said and why

>>443616
It usually has the same paragraph slick about never drawing anime with no links or real explanation, so it's not something I don't already know.

>>443619
Well, FUCK YOU, and fine I'll check it out.

>>443621
Did you even read past the first fucking sentence? Unless you're looking at it on a two inch monitor, you can probably see that there are multiple paragraphs. What do you think they're there for? If you use common sense, you'd probably come to the conclusion that that they're there to... explain, maybe? Because pretty much everything about the "stop drawing anime" thing is explained in full there, and if you can't or refuse to understand it after reading it, you might as well just give up drawing now

>>443621
wow, you really didn't read it. jesus, at least read something before you complain about it. like three sentences in it says "You can go back to [anime] later once you've learned the basics", but apparently reading is too hard for you

>>443624
Oh come on. Don't tell me that the majority of posts on this board are MORE than "STOP DRAWING ANIME TROLL". I come to expect things that happen all the fucking time.