>>33368903 (OP)
I can't afford something that costs less

Campus gave these out at the beginning of the year. Quite nice

>>33368922
I agree. They need to drop in price, but the only way that will happen is if people start buying them.

>>33368903 (OP)
>>33368922
As a smart consumer I can't afford something that costs me more. Using a $2 CFL right now while waiting the few months for LED prices and performance to reach CFL or incandescent levels while still maintaining their significant power advantage is cheaper than buying an LED light right now.

In December I could have gotten a top of the line LED light that actually puts out enough light to replace your average incandescent or CFL for $60. Now I can get it for $40, and soon I'll be able to get it for $10. My $2 CFL will work just fine until prices level out.

>>33368903 (OP)
>so /g/ ... why aren't you Light Emitting Diode yet?

I don't understand.

>>33368903 (OP)
I bought a lifetime supply of CFL bulbs when my local utility company did a subsidy on them. I picked up 100 standard size 40 watt CFLs for 10 bucks. They also had the smaller size the fixtures in my house use. Had to buy another 100, but they were 10 bucks too.

I suspect they will last me until LEDs go on subsidy at my local outlet.

Are they more reliable than normal CFLs? Seems pricy for something that lasts a few months to a year

>>33369092
LEDs are supposed to last around 100x longer than CFLs. Still not worth the cost for 100x the price.

>>33369092
They can last you a solid decade and don't degrade in color or brightness until only a few dozen hours before they die.

>>33369092
I got mine because I kept loosing CFLs, and at $6/bulb it was getting annoying. I think because the power droops where I live and most CFLs aren't "dimmable." The led bulbs are, but are 10x the price. I'll see how it goes.

I have a dimmer.

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>>33368903 (OP)
To my knowledge there are no LED lamps on the market that can match my halogen incandescent lamp in all regards.

From what I've seen, most of them have imperfect, if not downright terrible, omni-directional performance, which seems to be the biggest challenge of making LED lamps. Aside from that, choices are still rather limited when it comes to manufacturers offering a full lineup of various outputs and color temperatures.

Plus, most of them wouldn't fit in my fixture and I find most of them to be rather unattractive to look at, though I'm on the lookout for a nice shaded fixture anyway which would solve both of those issues.

I am hopeful that LED lamps will improve greatly and become truly worthy of replacing all incandescent lamps and CFLs within the next few years.

>>33369124
Problem is the cost is not spread out over time like CFLs so it feels heavier. Would probably be an okay long term investment for those in the position to do so

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But OP...

>>33369017

Electricity costs you more.

>>33369186
maybe if your ccfl died. But if you have a ccfl no point in replacing until prices go down.

>>33369186
It's going to take another round of utility company subsidies for them to get really popular. Utility companies are probably not going to want to subsidize enough money per unit for them to be at an attractive price for the average consumer.

Once you can get the cost (not price) down to less than a buck a bulb, you will see subsidies and consumers adoption.

>>33369212
I was waiting for the 100W equivalents. It's a shame that most local stores carry only 40-60W equivalents, and only a few started stocking 75W equivalents. I ended up ordering mine online.

>>33368903 (OP)
Assuming I keep my lights on for 8 hours per day average, my 16 CFLs have an initial investment of $3 each (I buy in bulk). I use 60W equivilants that use 14W each. 14W*8hr*365 days * 2.5 year lifespan (lifespans are calculated on the basis of 4hr per day) *8.66 cents per KWH = $3.54 in electricity per bulb, or $6.50 every 2.5 years. For a total 5 year cost of $13 per bulb, which is less than the purchase price of any LED bulb on the market

>>33369246
It really doesn't. Example. It costs me about $250 a year in electricity to run 2 computers 24/7.

A single person switching from Incandescent to CLF or LED is not going to make a lick of difference. It's only when 10,000 people at once make the change that you would see any benefit on the large scale. That is exactly why you see utility companies subsidize CFLs in the spring.

http://www.thenanoleaf.com/

Eagerly awaiting a preorder of 5 of these for my place.

>>33369276
CFLs are also a bitch to dispose of ... correctly. I'd rather not hold on to them until I can make it to the HAZMAT cleanup day. If that means I spend a little more for an LED bulb, it doesn't bother me.

>>33369331
>$45 light bulb
This is greenwashing at it's nastiest.

>>33369331
Man, if there's a way to 'geek out' on your choice of lightbulb..

>>33369276
Yeah LEDs have a front loaded cost but will save money if they are used regularly. So it makes sense for the laundry room light to remain incandescent or whatever, and the living room switched over to LED. Use may vary but the LED should be placed in the most frequented rooms that need light.

Personally I switched over all my home lights except the bathroom(moisture & odd type of bulb)for $500 and I'm only drawing around 300 watts compared to 2Kw before. So I can switch them all on when I want it bright as fuck and not worry about the bill or replacing the bulbs anymore.

>>33369276
Shit i fucked up. Forgot the 2.5 in my calcs.

So actual cost of electricity is going to be $8.85 per 2.5 years. So $12 per 2.5 years total inc. shipping. Let's go with 10 years, and say it's $48 per 10 years.

Now I actually did find a $10 60W equivilant LED bulb which uses 8W.

So, 8W*8hr*365days*10years*8.66c/KWh=$20.63 in electricity over 10 years, plus the original $10 purchase price = $30 over the lifetime of the bulb.

So to answer the question, I guess the reason I don't use LED is because the good ones are just now coming out and I'm only a year into my CFLs

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I replaced all the burned-out bulbs in my house with these last Thursday.

I was replacing incandescents on a dimmer switch, and these 800-lumen dimmable LEDs were the same price as 1000-lumen dimmable CFLs. I think it was worth it; they're way brighter than the incandescent lights were.

>>33369330
When people use less electricity due to more efficient bulbs and appliances, the electric companies simply jack up the price per kWh.

I'm sort of worried and impressed at how much a lot of you care about your choice in consumer lightbulbs. It's not something I've every particularly cared about, I just buy whichever at Tesco's.

>>33369564
Light bulbs are actually one of the biggest consumers of electricity in a household. All the ceiling fixtures in my apartment use 2-4 bulbs, and I keep them on for quite a long time.

>>33369331
Those look awesome. Most people won't like 3500K for residential lighting, though. I tend to prefer ~3000K myself, though I might use 3500K for the kitchen, basement, and garage.

I'm really hoping to see a full lineup of LED lamps with a 3000K color temperature, good color rendering, and truly omni-directional light output soon. When that happens, I'll be 100% on board.

>>33369515
I hope you realize that people using less electricity only causes the utility to lose money in the sense that generating it is most efficient the closer to maximum load they get. They can just produce less power and burn less fuel.

>>33369654
Considering I've been using fucking 5000k because all my store carries are 2800k and 5000k, this will be a good change of pace.

>>33369616
My computer + 2 monitors + network uses less than 180W ... That's less than 2 100 incandescent light bulbs to light the office that they sit in.

>>33369659
Also less rolling black-outs in areas that still suffer from those.

>>33369616
Our lighting makes up like 20% of our electricity usage, and we use mostly incandescent lamps, and we use them even when it's day time (though only when we're actually in the room). Our climate control, among other power-hungry appliances, make up the majority of our electricity usage. Most of what I've read says this is quite typical.

>>33369246
No, it doesn't. That was my point. The electricity for each CFL is not going to cost me the $20 I'd need to justify an LED bulb.

For a 20W CFL vs a 7W LED of the same light output, I'd need to have power cost $0.50 per kWh and use the bulbs 24/7 for me to have actually broken even between December and April.

Power costs $0.11 per kWh. I will never, ever break even with an LED bulb with how much prices are dropping. I need to wait for prices to level off before I bother to get an LED bulb or I've wasted my money.

>>33369694
3500K can be quite nice. It's really right in-between warm and cool... a very neutral white light. I used Sylvania's high end 3500K CFLs for a while, but I've come to prefer a warmer light most of the time. That said, I find 2700K to be *too* warm, which sadly tends to be the most common standard. 3000K is really the sweet spot for me, but it tends to be ignored. 3500K CFLs are readily available where I live, but 3000K is pretty much an extremely expensive online-only situation. Regardless, I'm not a huge fan of CFLs in general, so I'm sticking with halogen incandescent for now, hoping to go LED in the future.

>>33369659
Yeah don't worry about that, in the US NatGas, Hydro and even landfill incinerators can pick up a shortfall almost instantly.

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LEDs and CFLs are both shit.

pic related.

>>33369515
Electric companies, at least here, are public utilities. They charge you as little as they're realistically able to.

>>33369747
right now, just browsing 4chan, listening to music and playing disgaea 2 in an emulator, with one 23" ultrasharp monitor and one 47" LCD TV, both energy star rated, I'm using...381W. Most of which is the TV.

>>33369845
I see incadecent and CFL, no LED. so w/e

>>33369821

Dude. I just did the math here with a lower cost of electricity than you. >>33369505 Yes it will.

>>33369850
Where I live, energy companies compete. As soon as my current company raises the price per kW/h, I get phone calls from competitors offering a better price. The best part is the bill comes from the company that maintains the lines in the area. So, I get the better price, and still send payment to the same place every month.

>>33369935
I suppose I should also post the bulb i found.

http://www.briteecolite.com/collections/a19/products/8-watt-led-light-bulb-8-pack-60w-replacement-led-light-bulb

last I saw, LEDs looked pretty fucking dim compared to both CFL and incandesents

>>33369935
>per year
>ten years
>So stupid he doesn't realize that the decreasing cost of LED bulbs is something you need to take into account.
>Thinks only in absolutes of now or never.
>Won't ever understand simple math.
>Sits jacking off to his autism math.

No, I don't want to be mean and insult you, but you forgot a glaring issue with your math. LED bulbs are dropping in price. There's no need to swear off LED bulbs forever, but buying them right just now does your wallet no favors. If the past eight months have been any indication, the same LED bulb I can get for $40 today will cost only $15-30 in another 4-6 months, and that'll be the time to buy them.

>>33370004
I can verify that the one >>33368903 (OP) here is every bit as bright as an incandescent or CFL that is 100W or equivalent.

>>33369993
Guy from >>33370024 here. I should also mention that I'm going to wait until proper 10-15W LED bulbs come out. The 60W replacements are about as good at replacing 60W bulbs as the 60W replacement CFLs. I needed to go to 75W replacement bulbs to get CFLs that do the job, and I don't expect anything better from LEDs.

Come back and find me when these bulbs, which actually do replace 60W bulbs, hit $10/piece:

http://www.lowes.com/pd_395203-149-SI-I8W131UL0US_0__?productId=3690690&Ntt=samsung+led+light+bulbs&pl=1&currentURL=%3FNtt%3Dsamsung%2Bled%2Blight%2Bbulbs&facetInfo=

Oh, and notice how they're 13W bulbs instead of 8W bulbs. Anyone who says they have an 8W LED that can replace a 60W incandescent is lying to you. That's going to get you a 40W at best.

>>33370004
Guy from >>33370024 and >>33370089 here.

I can also vouch for the bulb in OP like >>33370042 did. Philips and Samsung make bulbs that can actually replace your 60W incandescents and 75W replacement CFLs that we all know are only good enough to replace 60W incandescents.

>>33370089
I'm not comparing anything to incandescent. If you used incandescent at any point in this decade you're retarded. They're simply not worth discussing. I'm comparing my 800 lumen CFL to a 750 lumen LED. If you want to go higher, fine.

>>33370120
So 900 lumens?

http://www.amazon.com/Light-Lumen-Replacement-G7-Power/dp/B0064AE2K4

Bam.

>>33370120
I'd like to see them offer "cool" versions. I happen to like slightly bluer light than the standard "soft white"

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>>33369408

What does the price have to do with greenwashing? Greenwashing is making a non-green technology seem green, and marketing it as an environmentally-friendly alternative.

>>33370243
So 900 lumens?

13-15W. Lumens are an easy way to cheat. You can just make it so that there's no light on one side of the bulb and "bam" you now doubled your lumens by having it reflect to the other. Watts are also a bad way to measure, but with LEDs no one's found a way to cheat on that measurement yet. 13-15W, $10. Come get me then.

>>33369845
except LED doesn't have those spikes, maybe a slight rise towards blue though.

Every light source in this room is LED-based. Feels good.

>>33368903 (OP)
not easy to find where I live
I'm looking for something that casts a wide beam

>>33370397
> sitting in a dark room with an LED monitor.
lel

>>33370314
>15W for $10

Not going to happen but fortunately for me the $20 difference in my math earlier included cost of ownership, so anything under $30 right now saves you money including the samsung bulb posted earlier AND the nanoleaf 75W.

>>33370434
>cost of ownership
pretend i said purchase price here.

>>33370243
>If you used incandescent at any point in this decade you're retarded
Some people like a smooth spectrum curve, 100 CRI, instant on at full brightness, negligible gradual degradation, and flawless omni-directional performance. If you find that to be "retarded" then you are the one who needs to learn a little more. There's a lot more to lighting than lumens and power consumption. CFLs are not without sacrifice nor are they ideal for all applications. The same goes for LED lamps right now, but they are in their infancy and will undoubtedly see much improvement in the coming years.

>>33370434
Alright, and now we're at the last issue. I need two of those bulbs to get one that's actually got the light output of a good 15W. I'm no longer saving money if I do things your way.

Doing what you want one of two things will happen:
-I'm being penny wise and pound foolish by sacrificing the quality of my lighting by getting bulbs that don't really save me money since I have to wait a few years to replace them when I could just wait a couple months for prices to come down instead. Now I have shitty lighting and in August I realize I could have just waited and saved even more money by getting newer, better bulbs.
-I'm being penny wise and pound foolish by spending extra to get twice as many bulbs or more expensive bulbs that don't sacrifice the quality of my lighting. My lighting is great, but in August I realize I would have save more money waiting until now to switch.

>>33370511
>There's a lot more to lighting than lumens and power consumption.

Not for 99% of people. If we're going to start talking about anything other than what is the current, cheapest lighting solution, then yes, you're going to be able to just say things like in >>33370522 are non negotiable.

>>33370604
So basically unless we're either completely retarded, IE unable to visibly discern the perceived quality of our lighting, or autsitically obsessive over certain specific factors in our lighting and completely ignore all others we're 1% of the population?

I think you got that backward. You are the 1%.

>>33370636
So what you're saying is I owned you with math so LEDs just aren't good enough for you now.

>>33370604
One of the biggest complaints about CFLs is the warm-up time. I've read thousands of complaints about this by average people who don't really know anything about lighting. It's something that varies greatly between different CFLs, and something that manufacturers make absolutely no mention of in the specifications or on the packaging. Even the cheapest, junkiest incandecent lamps turn on instantly with whatever brightness they're supposed to have, so even average people notice right away when a CFL comes on dim and takes a minute to warm up. I personally find it very annoying, or even intolerable for certain rooms.

>>33370742
That's why they make halogen hybrid bulbs.

>>33370730
No, what I'm saying is that your math was completely wrong and required a black and white now or never approach or the willingness to severely diminish the quality of my lighting.

You are the 1%. You are the guy who's obsessing over very, very specific aspects of lighting without looking at all of the others. You're the weirdo. You're the retard. You're the autist who's using autist logic based on numbers on a spec sheet instead of sound economics as outlined in >>33369821 and >>33370024.

Next you'll be telling me that the GS4 is the best phone ever because it gets the highest score on AnTuTu or how I should buy a Catleap because I can overclock the driving board to 120Hz.

>>33370742
It also gets worse as the CFLs age. New CFLs will warm up quickly. Some of my older CFLs can take upwards of 10 minutes to reach peak brightness. It a PITA if I'm only in a room for a minute or two.

>>33370838
>name calling

You're the one willing to pay more for things you don't need. That's fine. Don't pretend you aren't paying more than you have to.

>>33370813
Sure, they come on bright... then they get gradually brighter as the CFL warms up, and then get darker when the halogen lamp turns off. That would annoy me a lot more than typical CFL warm up. In my opinion it's not a solution but just a silly gimmick.

My only real gripe with LED is that they cost too much and the light is overly directional. A lot of people will tell you that LED bulbs will pay for themselves over their lifetime, and that's real nice, but when you've got to replace 20+ bulbs, you're looking at a very large chunk of cash. And will you actually still be around to see the savings? How many years does it take? 20? Also if they happen to break (as opposed to burning out) that's a very expensive thing to replace.

When I can get LED for the cost of a CFL, that's when I'll switch. For now, I just bought one 40W equivalent LED bulb for my desk lamp.

>>33370886
>pay more for things you don't need
But I need good lighting. Your autism logic isn't allowing you to understand that you're obsessing over very specific aspects of the whole without allowing yourself to accept that there's more to it than just the 10 year price based on purchase and electricity cost today, which itself is laughable, and the advertised lighting capability, which is simply naive.

I don't know what you do or where you stay, let alone how you use your lights, but I need lights, not the lights that offer the best projected TCO if I were to ignore lighting quality and assume lights will cost exactly what they do today in ten years.

You see where I'm going? I want lights, you want... something autistic.

>>33370953
No, you don't need good lighting. Unless you're a fucking painter or have some kind of eye damage or something, that's something you want for aethetics.

As long as I can read black type on white paper and find my way to the bathroom at night, I'm good to fucking go. You're the one with impossible standards

>>33371001
>No, you don't need good lighting
>You're the one with impossible standards

Of course that's all you need. You're an autistic neckbeard. By the way, 4W blue nightlights are available at the dollar store and can do this just fine.

Insults aside, I'm glad you found something for your specific situation. I don't personally use a reading light that I take around with me so I'm not looking for just enough light to make it so I can find my way to the bathroom at night.

I'm going to wait for 10-15W Philips lights to hit $10, or those nice 13W Samsung ones to hit the same price point, then I'll upgrade to LEDs.

>>33371001
>>33370886
Not that guy, but...

Most people pay extra for things they don't need. It's called a luxury. It's for enjoyment and happiness. I pay a little extra for my halogen incandescent lighting because it look and works better for me and to me it's worth the extra enjoyment and happiness it brings me. What's so strange about this concept? Do you live for the sole purpose of survival and not pay a cent towards anything for the sake of enjoyment or happiness?

It's actually better to have bright lighting. It helps the circadian rhythm and stops you from needing stupid bullshit like f.lux

>B-but anon, I need to sit in the dark and use software that fucks up my color balance to correct my eyestrain problems!

>>33371116
The strange part is where you're attacking a guy who made a statement about CFL vs LED and trying to tell him he's wrong by saying Incandescent is better.

>>33368903 (OP)
they look like they wouldn't be too bright.

>>33371137
Well I did no such thing. I responded politely and informatively to a guy who essentially called me and many other people retarded for using incandescent lamps, and I've never done any sort of attacking or insulting. Maybe you're referring to someone else.

>>33371148
see
>>33370042
>>33370120

>>33371222
Well I stand by that. Many countries have already banned incandescent because they're that big of a waste of power. The US is currently phasing them out and the lighting industry is no longer interested in manufacturing them anyway.

>>33371246
cool, sorry I didn't read the thread before I said that.

>>33371285
>the lighting industry is no longer interested in manufacturing them anyway
Sylvania is still proudly making high quality incandescent lamps right here in the USA, including their new lineup of halogen incandescent lamps which will likely be available until 2020. From what I've seen, many people dislike CFLs and are still buying general purpose incandescent lamps and using them. Incandescent lamps may be relatively inefficient, but it's simply ignorant to deny their continued usefulness and advantages.

>convince parents to let me switch house lights to LED/CFL
>large house
>electric bill drops by ~$200
>make me switch them back to normal bulbs because mom thinks the lights look bad

>>33371474
"But mom, how do you often do you stare at light bulbs?"

>ctrl+F "Cree"
>Phrase not found
You're all faggots. I'm actually less gay for posting a link to a fucking Wirecutter review than you are for not discussing these.

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-led-lightbulb-is-the-cree-warm-white/

>>33369017
The $10 LED bulb is already here.

>>33371501
she said they light was too blue

>>33371474

They have some merit. The newer bulbs produce light with wavelengths that keep people awake, while incandescent lights don't.

>>33371522
I had the argument that she thought the spirals looked ugly. The spirals hidden behind lampshades, and in milky glass domes.

LEDs were to metallic and didn't fit the décor.

>>33371429
>2020

If they can meet the efficiency standards required by the Energy Independence and Security Act maybe. But they'd have to cut the power consumption by 2/3 to meet that.

>>33371522
Did you make sure to buy only 2700K "warm white" CFLs? Most 2700K CFLs I've seen are very close to 2700K and I couldn't imagine them looking "too blue" to the average person. I suspect you bought CFLs with a higher color temperature.

>>33371581
there was a bit of that

undercabinet lighting was a bitch since they're U24 or whatever the fuck that socket is

>>33371581
plus she HAD to have her 50-100-150 3-ways, but only ever set them to 100w.

>>33371626
They make 3 way cfls man. They cost a fucking boatload, sadly.

>>33368903 (OP)
Because my body isn't LEDdy

>>33371608
i got an assortment for a trial, but yeah, always buy warm white

although personally I prefer the bluer lights or "sunlight" type lights

>>33371474
why do non normal bulbs have such awful looking lights?

>>33371647
conspiracy by jews

seriously though, I live in puerto rico, last months electric bill was $900

nigga that's ridiculous

>>33371604
My understanding is that the 40 lumens/watt requirement will go into effect by 2020 if the legislation isn't updated by 2017. At the earliest, the halogen incandscent lamps will be phased out in 2017, but only if new legislation is agreed upon which phases them out.

One thing of interest is that general purpose halogen incandescent lamps that reach up to 33 lumens/watt are already on the market, though as far as I know only available online direct from the company that makes them. They utilize infrared reflecting technology and are overdriven to provide only a 1500 hour lifespan, but that kind of efficacy is incredible for an incandescent lamp. I suspect that if one was willing to go back down to a 750 hour lifespan, 40 lumens per watt would actually be achievable.

>>33371688
Well the legislation also mandates a 1000 hour lifespan, but that is surprising to know.

When I call people retards for buying incandescents I'm talking the cheapass 99cent GE bulbs that only get 10 lumens/watt. But since the factories all shut down, it won't be long before you can't even get those.

>$10 Cree 9W LED, 40W equivalent
>$13 Cree 13W LED, 60W equivalent, puts out more lumens than a 13W CCFL

Too expensive, and all my lamps I bought came with free CFLs that still haven't burned out.

>>33371866
I'll be damned, omnidirectional too. What kind of CRI are we talking here?

>>33371840
My rough guess would be that 40 lumens/watt would be possible if the filament was heated to ~3450K, though I'm unsure as to what the lifespan would be at such a high temperature. I believe the 33 lm/watt 1500 hour lamps have a filament temperature of ~3250K, and +200K is a pretty huge step up. I forgot about the thousand hour regulation. I really doubt that any incandescent lamp will ever meet both the efficacy and lifespan regulation at the same time.

GE still has factories in Mexico, Hungary, and China making traditional and halogen incandescent lamps. Philips also has a line-up of new halogen incandescent lamps, all made in China I believge. I highly doubt the major manufacturers going to stop making them until they're banned, unless the demand really drops off, but it really hasn't so far. Sylvania's USA-made incandescent lamps are surprisingly as cheap as the foreign-made competition, so I stick with those.

>>33371918
Above 80. Cree's products always exceed their ratings, they've been a leading white LED manufacturer for ages.

>>33368903 (OP)
it costs more than clf
both at purchase
and over time with operating expenses its not worth it to go from 14 watts to 12 watts. Saving 2 watts over the life time isnt worth $50