technically he would not have even gone to jail for the "stolen" goods cause thats still considered a civil matter

Shit like this is infuriating. Way to ruin a perfectly good life on the way to potential great success.

I never thought that pirating stuff would get you jail time. Fuck Europe

I sense this is a troll, but I'm stupid enough to respond anyway.

You are not protected from this in the US. If the authorities are already convinced the volume contains incriminating material, you will be compelled to decrypt it. If you do not cooperate, you will be held indefinitely.

>>34994674
ok see
>>34994662
that and the police in america would laugh their asses off if they even got a call about a guy in a game "hacking" another guy

>>34994674
>If the authorities are already convinced the volume contains incriminating material, you will be compelled to decrypt it
what is the 5th amendment
>If you do not cooperate, you will be held indefinitely.
what is the 6th amendment

>>34994624 (OP)
Do you have a proper link to this story?

Also I didn't know you could get a warrant to search something and then get charged with something completely different.

>>34994830
Judges have ordered people to decrypt volumes that have suspected child pornography and stuff. Your government doesn't give a shit about your constitution amerilard

>>34994872
>you could get a warrant to search something and then get charged with something completely different
It's true. Same with all kinds of searches.

A cop asks to search your car because they think you have weed in your glove compartment? If they search your car and then find you have an illegal weapon in there, they are fine to charge you on that even though the search was to find drugs.

>>34994890
>Judges have ordered people to decrypt volumes that have suspected child pornography and stuff
Yeah, in the UK, fuckwit.

>>34994624 (OP)
How great a guy he was and how promising his future was are irrelevant.

The interesting aspects of the case are
1. They were able to search his stuff with no evidence of a crime. (How did they get a warrant given that there was no evidence in the first place?)

2. Why is copyright a criminal matter?

One big problem with the law in general is that it is flexible enough to fuck the little guy up the ass no matter what protections you are supposed to have in principle.

E.g. The God Hates Fags guys get away with what they do because if they are high profile. If I did a similar thing I would probably end up in jail for disturbing the peace and resisting arrest.

2.

>>34994830
what is the patriot act

you lost your rights long ago

>>34994624 (OP)
I still get a sense that the patriot act could be used for search and seizure

and they may find other things while cheeking to see if you are a terrorist

the law against self incrimination stems from a time when torture was common and false confections were causing problems

as much as the bill of rights is a good thing
people are trying to undermine it all the time

and technically sates rights can be in breech of the constitution

I've lived in Denmark for over a decade and that is not how law works there.

>>34994957
>>34994966
The patriot act sections that would be relevant have expired in 2011.

>>34995004
weren't exactly the relevant sections prolonged for like 4 years?

>>34994849
br? br?
huehue

>>34995043
>extended: roving wiretaps, searches of business records (the "library records provision"), and conducting surveillance of "lone wolves" — individuals suspected of terrorist-related activities not linked to terrorist groups.
nothing about giving up encryption keys.

>>34995098
>giving up encryption keys.
enough surveillance and that will not be necessary

>>34995119
>because we can spy on you enough, you being forced to disclose something is totally the same thing!

>>34995098
"lone wolve" seems like a pretty elastic clause.

>>34994624 (OP)
There is no protection against that in Denmark or any other 1st world country except for the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-incrimination

Apparently canada, india, england and wales have laws to protect people from this too

>>34994624 (OP)
True enough currently, despite the overriding attempts at tyranny by the government, all but the secret "fisa" courts here still protect civil liberties on a level not found anywhere else in the world.

Especially against bullshit self incrimination by nigger police.


But I get the feeling that because this:
>>34994662

Is true perhaps he might still have been okay if he'd had a good lawyer. And if denmark was not a shit hole.

>>34995175
that's just surveillance? doesn't relate at all to forcing of decryption. unless they somehow manage to spy your encryption keys, and at that point there's no need for you to be forced to decrypt, lol nerd

>>34994624 (OP)
isn't this self incrimination clause basically the same as the right to silence which exists in every civilized country?

>>34995227
forcing decryption is not possible anyway
but keeping somebody indefinitely because they didn't is basically the same. and that's something that cannot happen in europe (yet).
cracking the encryption is another story, but somehow i have a feeling that the united states are way better in that than anyone else

>>34995148
I never said that

>>34995276
>but keeping somebody indefinitely because they didn't is basically the same
and it can't happen here either. see 6th amendment.

>>34995367
doesn't the patriot act basically nullify the 6th amendment? ie guantanamo

>>34995468
Not even necessary. Look up "contempt of court"

>>34995468
no it doesn't, the parts that were extended in 2011 does not apply to any of that. that's why I am laughing at everyone silly in this ITT thread.

not to mention that guantanamo was non-US prisoners, who wwouldn't have the US constitution on their side to begin with

[citation needed]

>>34995494
The constitution doesn't say anything about only applying to US citizens, bro. That's why they have to operate in Cuba. The constitution applies to any human in US territory.

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>>34995494
>I am laughing at everyone silly in this ITT thread.

ITT means "in this thread"

>>34994624 (OP)
>This would NEVER happen in America
LOL

>>34995545
>trolled hard

>>34995566
>I was only pretending!

I like idea of a state that follows the US Constitution too OP.

>>34994624 (OP)
Double jeopardy means he can't be charged for the same crime twice, not that he can't be charged for multiple crimes. In fact, it's a fairly common practice to charge someone for a lesser crime first to bide time to gather evidence for greater charges to prosecute.

What exactly were they charging him with before the copyright infringements? "Hacking"? Unless you're hacking into personal or business accounts, the only thing your guy did was break the EULA of the game he was playing, which has nothing to do with the law.

I sense you're just trolling anyway.

>>34995551
this

>>34995599
Your description sucks.
Getting Al Capone on tax evasion is the analogy you're looking for and it happens all the time.

>>34995494
wtf kind of constitution isn't relevant to foreigners? that's fucking sick
also, i don't really know all too much about US law or the patriot act, but i'm still pretty sure that even if it aint what it was anymore, it still factually nullifies most of the bill of rights.
your freedom isn't much bigger than the freedom of the chinese

Good fucking riddance, I say. Pirates are leaches, people who steal from hard working software developers, artists, directors, etc. need tough punishment in order to set an example.

>>34995230

Most countries are guilty until proven innocent, so refusal to commit an act that could incriminate you is in and of itself incriminating.

>This would NEVER happen in America because the subject would not be required to decrypt his harddrive
Pretty sure some pedophile got jail time in the US for not handing over his password. US politicians have made a regular habit of shitting all over the constitution for the past 10 years. Not only that but the media has it in for the second amendment. Not a day goes by that I hear about some accidental discharge. Funny how cars kill more people yet that isn't news worthy.

>>34995682
that's bullshit

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Okay, you know what, that's it, I'm becoming an extremist. Whoever doesn't think that freedom in personal computing should be an absolute should have their fucking heads chopped off; I am dead fucking serious. I'm convinced that someday I'll go mental and shoot up some judges or cops.

>>34995682
In China if you witness a crime and confess to it, they often incriminate you as the perpetrator unless they find the real suspect, so many crimes go unreported.

>>34995692
Self-incrimination laws prevent you from being required to hand over passwords, keys, or any other access to personal information. The police can get a warrant to seize your hard drives or to search your home, but you don't have to give them the password or open the door for them(unless you want it busted down).

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Someone's gotta take a stand. Someone's gotta say no, and refuse to accept any sort of intellectual property laws. Just like Pikachu.

Holy shit, I hate my country.

Sauce?

>>34995745
After reading up on the subject, it looks like someone saw that there was child porn on a laptop and when they shut it down they had to decrypt it again to access it. Basically all they have to do is lie and say they know something incriminating is on there and you would be forced to give up your password.

>>34995655
You're obviously not an artist.

good, i can tell hes a little faggot and so are you. Thank jesus your faggot friend will get killed in jail

>>34996006
I am, actually, and I deserve to be compensated for my efforts. I'm not gonna let some leach benefit from my labor completely freely.

>>34996066
>artist
>labor
hehehe

>>34996101
You think it doesn't take hard work to produce a film, or a painting, or a piece of music? Fucking deluded subhuman.