you couldn't go to terminal and do it from there?

>>35560924
no i could, but holy shit, thought i could just hit start and find a shutdown button, took 3 more steps and a mouse gesture, and i immediately wrote it off as a productive os

>>35560809 (OP)
Jesus. I am tech acquainted (not engineer level but I am experienced) and it took me 5 seconds to figure it out. Take a moment to familiarize yourself with the OS you are using. It is called a brain, use it.

It's a lot easier in 8.1. You can right click the start button and you get the restart/shutdown options.

It's like a shitty version of the start menu minus the apps.

>>35561117
I believe the point is that it's not user friendly. You could learn to use plan9, but it's impractical

Windows 8 is shit, more news at 11.

>>35561117
A mainstream desktop OS should not require arcane knowledge involving invisible corner buttons to perform something as simple as shutting down. Microsoft just made another unforgivably bad product.

why are you wasting your time with windows 8 anyway

stop giving it attention

>>35560809 (OP)
I'm with you. They've just hidden it in a place no one would expect it to be. I can't imagine why they made Windows 8 in the first place. It's seriously not enough of an upgrade from Windows 7.

ITT: Retards who think they're smart talk about how they're too retarded to use Windows 8.

If you were really so smart, you could've made your own shutdown menu program.

>>35561117
>and it took me 5 seconds
I seriously doubt that unless you already saw someone use it.

Windows 8 made me switch to Linux as my main desktop. No regrets at all.

>>35561161
>>35561195
yes and yes, i quite often switch between servers that run just on cli interfaces, unix on some old cnc machines, and hell even mac when im fixing one, and god damn I haven't a worse user interface, hell i even think this clonezilla screen im staring at is more user friendly

It's so easy to press the power button and have windows shut down itself.

>>35561208
came preloaded on new laptop, only reason

>>35561142
all we need is a release date now. come on, microsoft.

my only problem with windows 8 is after a while when chrome in desktop mode maximized, i cannot see my taskbar (which is normally auto-hidden). the only way for me to see it is to change chrome's window size.

>>35561219
>I can't imagine why they made Windows 8 in the first place.

$

I honestly dont see the point of all the hate for metro. I'm not saying i love it more indifferent. For games i like it much more than the old start menu and if i wasnt playing games i wouldn't be using winblows.

>>35561346
i gotta say they really screwed the pooch in terms of IT management, which *was* something they were kings of

(i understand there going to ride of there previous success, but cmon)

>>35561229
honestly i just run the shutdown command.
who's smart now beotch

>>35561195
DISCLAIMER: I am not the person you replied to.

I don't know about calling Windows 8 'unforgivably bad product' in terms of features and such, but the way they introduced metro was inexcusable. They should never have shoved it down people's throats the way they did.

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8.1 puts it on start menu right click

>>35561392
I'm pretty sure Microsoft never intended Windows 8 to ever be used for business. Even if they did, businesses wouldn't switch over that quickly anyway, they'd all move to Windows 7 if they haven't already moved from Windows XP and then wait for Windows 9.

>>35561552
business who use commercial versions of windows 8 are fucking retarded tho.

Are you still in high school? Your writing style is extremely similar to some high school girl texting her friend.

Took me 3 days to figure out windows 8 after buying a new lappy...

After using gnome shell 3 and cinnamon windows 8 is a pathetic joke where you can hotswap between a tablet and a "normal" desktop

>>35561346
Even if very few improvements are found in Windows 8, I wonder if it costed them more money in dev and marketing than they're getting out of Windows sales.

>>35560809 (OP)
>It
>software engineer
>Not knowing about Ctrl+Alt+Del shut down since motherfucking WINDOWS XP
Full Plebistan this summer goddamn....

>>35561732
>Not just using alt+f4

>>35561732
>windows shits up
>Ctrl+Alt+Del to reboot computer
>why isn't it working?
>to hell with it, reach for the reset button

>>35561785
>not using WIN + L

I'm using windows 8 and agree that the invisible corner button thing is fucking stupid. and so are the apps it comes with that take up the entire screen

>>35561638
id say , most likely, theve got like millions of rt tablets just sitting in inventory

>>35561732
>>35561785
I use Alt+F4 from desktop always.

>>35561837
But I do.

>>35560809 (OP)
>I'm so stupid I can't use a watered-down OS.

My fucking god. This is why you people complain about EVERYTHING NEW isn't it?

You're as bad as the generation that came before you. You're all just stuck in the rut that you learned when you were in elementary school. You're all fucking idiots and refuse to change. You will be as out-dated as the older-generation is now if you keep this bullshit up.

Learn. Take 10 seconds to fucking LEARN how to use something. Stop being idiots, please.

>>35561612
>Took 3 days to learn how to use a basic OS.

It should have taken you 15 seconds. I can't believe these people browse /g/.

>>35561260
What are you talking about? When you install the OS it shows you how to control the fucking machine.

>>35561117
> it took me 5 seconds to figure it out
No, it didn't. Liar.

>>35562639
Oh look, it's that stupid "you only hate it because it's new" argument.
It shouldn't even need to be explained why it's wrong.

>>35560809 (OP)
I'm in the same boat as you OP, but I'm just an amateur software dev.
My two cents: Win8 is the least user friendly mainstream OS to ever exist. I had less trouble with Crunchbang at 13. Yes, I realise how ridiculous this sounds.

>>35562665
> you should magically just know where to look in obscure places for controls that should be obvious, and also you should magically know what gestures to use when there are no hints whatsoever how they work

>>35562689
Then you did not "figure it out". You had to be shown how to use it.

God forbid I have to make a click or two extra to shut down the computer. I should be able to fucking sneeze and the computer shut off, I shouldn't have to hunt for a button

>>35560809 (OP)
I dont understand what all of the Windows 8 hate is all about. Yes its different and it was designed for touch screens but its not that fucking hard to get used to.

Although i had to look up how to shut it down as well, that was a joke but now that i know how its not that fucking hard either.

If you's tried the OS without the "Its a shit OS" mentality you would realize its not that fucking bad.

I used to think windows 8 was shit until i actually used it and realized its not that bad, its just a bunch of faggots on the internet(most of which haven't used it for more than 5 minutes if that) who just need something to hate on.

>>35564900
Just because someone is smarter than you doesn't mean they are lying.

>>35565011
Why do apologists always use stupid extreme examples?

>>35564979
...So he figured it out that way, instead of on his own.

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use keyboard shortcuts OP

>>35565041

Three/four clicks is not a terribly painstaking process.

>>35565042
Being shown how to use something is not "figuring it out".

>>35565066
Compared to previous 2, it kinda is

>>35565035
He's not smarter than me. He's lying so he can pretend he is.
> people who like Windows 8
> smart

I'm a Linux user, but I don't really understand why everyone is mad about Metro.
I think it actually looks decent. The people who complain loudly about metro are probably the same ones who complain about Linux being different.

>>35565066
It's completely unnecessary to design it that way.

>>35562665
I'm a senior .net developer , lead a couple of enterprise software projects.

I dont know how to use a smartphone or tablet.

>>35560809 (OP)
>computer & software engineer
>cannot into windows + i

It took me all of 5 minutes to find all 4 ways
I think you're just retarded

>>35565098
this

>>35565098
>The people who complain loudly about metro are probably the same ones who complain about Linux being different.

They mostly are.

And some techies tend to be very conservative.

They think something like Windows XP is how an OS should look and anything different is stupid.

For the record, I think the Metro UI needs a lot of improvement in some areas. But I'm glad the old Start menu is gone.

I just installed win8 yesterday.

It's nothing special.

Everything people make out to be terrible is just so not true.

>can't find the reset, shut down, etc. buttans
alt+f4, really? does everyone really went to start to select a shut down option?
>omg start isn't a drop down menu and it has shit apps
I just unpinned or uninstalled the shit bloat apps, leave the things I usually have in start menu, and it's the same, only now it uses the whole screen... search function is faster too.

Everything else works the same, I don't understand the frustration besides "what the fuck is with this shit" at the start, but then it's like "ah, ok, welp" and that's it.

>>35560809 (OP)
>windows key + c
>settings
>power
>shutdown

>disliking any and all changes ever

>windows key + r
>cmd
>shutdown -s

>i consider myself tech saavy
Yeah sure you do m8.

>>35562639
Why fix what isn't broken?

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>>35560809 (OP)
>I KNOW EVERYTHING BOUT MUH PC
>FIXED MOMS LIKE 1000 TIMES
>HIGH SCHOOL GRAD WTF YES

'Murica much?

>>35565105
thats something i don't get .. smartphones/tablets and stuff like other OS, aren't hard to use .. you'll figure that out in a few minutes if you have some basic tech/computer knowledge
why are there so many software devs that lack common tech knowledge and can't figure out how that stuff works ?

>>35561061

it's a 3 step in win7 as well

what's Your point besides being a luddite?

>>35568326
he's not saying you cannot, but that it is way too complicated and too many steps for no good reason

lern2ergonomy

>>35561317

that's fault of the way chome handles windowing and themeing

I think OP's point was that normal users can't be expected to easily figure that shit out. It took me awhile to figure out that there were two separate Control Panels, one for the desktop and one for Metro.

>>35565098
>linux

if you eat shit everyday, a bigmac will taste pretty sweet. doesnt mean its good food

>>35564962

underage detected

>>35560809 (OP)
i am thankful for my truelaunchbar license. not having to worry about any of this

windows 8 is perfectly finde for the most part, its a tiny bit faster and securer than windows 7 and i can´t understand why everyone is so fucking upset about the metro startscreen. I just uninstalled all windows 8 metro apps amnd its just one fucking click on the enter button and im on my beloved Desktop- srsly the only thing wrong with windows 8 is, that you have to click 2 times in your bin to delete everything

>>35561061
>tech savvy
>not using alt+f4 in desktop mode

such a faggot, just leave

>>35568537

>not knowing about disabling delete confirmation dialog

>>35568103
>And some techies tend to be very conservative.

the're not really techies, then.

They're casuals

>>35568525
Control your autism, goyim.

>>35560809 (OP)
you should know better than to use windows.

OP is a huge faggot. OP didn't install windows 8 by himself, cause if he did he'd see hot corners in action in the demo during the setup.

This draws me to a conclusion that OP is one tech illiterate edgy faggot, just as all OPs always are.

>>35568643
>truelaunchbar

>autism

>goyim

whatisthisidonteven.flv

>>35568793
uh, I had the sage in the fields, damn 4chanx

>>35561732
I don't know about 'Merica buy here in my country it's not that strange to find young students who haven't even used Windows since elementary.

When I first used metro I was truly amazed at how a bunch of freetards could have made a better 'alternative/modern desktop UI'.

GNOME 3 was the first time Linux actually felt decent and easy to use, so kudos to them.

Once I finally quit WoW and DotA I will purge Windows 7 and go for Fedora...

>>35568790
>OP didn't install windows 8 by himself

You mean like most end users of Windows? Because unless I'm mistaken, most versions of Windows ship with prebuilt computers and laptops. They should have included it as a first run thing, or something that's on the desktop of all installations. But who am I kidding, all those computer manufacturers will find a way to screw that up for the end user.

>>35568326
>>35568406
wow and people still consider Linux to be cumbersome

are you guys still pasting your screenshots to paint and then trying to crop then for five minutes?

because most of my friends are.

it's hilarious how unpractical windows are

>>35568911
>GONME 3

If you said 2 I would have considered your post relevant, but you just did two things at once. Shot yourself in the foot and cut your penis off.

>>35568922
>first run
impossible because of OEM bullshit

>>35568955
It's obvious that you haven't even used it lately.

GNOME 3 is pretty much the best desktop today.

And it only costs 300MB RAM, any form of GPU accel which, and a small fee of 0 bux.

If you don't have those just use Openbox.

>>35560809 (OP)
I already know 8 different ways to shutdown Windows 8. if you can't easily find one then you can't pretend to be tech saavy
And some more in 8.1
>btw, OP is just a trolling freetard

Your skill doesn't help you know how to use a piece of shit user interface.

Let me just take this moment to say, fuck you windows and microsoft. You guys are such fucking faggots. I have used every version of windows since I was a ffucking child. From dos all the way to 8 and you guys went and fucked up so bad I will never touch ANY of your software again. You have clearly proven your incompetence.

I see exactly what you are doing. You are following a train of thought and letting it get ahead of what your customers actually want and need. MOBILE AND SAAS IS THE FUTUREEE, WE WILL BE DEAD IN 2 YEARS IF WE DON'T CHANGE EVERYTHING TO THIS NEW PARADIGM. You fucking shipped a product that nobody wants and hoped the demand will follow. This bullshit only worked for Apple and you fuckers are not apple. You guys make good operating systems that work on a variety of machines a nice business suite. You provide the platform that other people leverage to do their work/play. MICROSOFT, YOU ARE SHIT AT WALLED GARDENS. YOU ARE TRYING TO BE SOMETHING YOU AREN'T.

Windows 8 is what happens when microsoft trys to be edgy and become the center of attention in your daily workflow. Fail. You failed so hard and so aggressively that I actually bought a fucking mac. I ended up selling it and getting into GNU/Linux but still, wow you fucked up. I am done with you forever and wish death upon you for ignoring your customers demands and needs and acting like a neurotic, paranoid child.

>>35560809 (OP)
>computer & software engineer
>first time using Windows 8 one year after it's release
this was already the case with dev preview, cons preview, and pre release. Any tech saavy Windows user have learned how to use modernUI with these.
If you're not using Windows 8.1 béta then you can't consider you computer & software engineer.

>>35568922
They have a first run thing, never mind the 3 page manual they come with
>>35568967
Are you fucking retarded? You think OEMs boot up every computer to load their software?

>>35561497
the problem is they are shoving metro down people's throats on the desktop platform. metro looks incredibly nice on tablets/mobile devices and is easy on the eye and easy to use. it just doesn't fit on the desktop platform.

>more butthurt about a new way of doing things

autism.

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>>35569043
..b-but windows is still the best OS, right?

>>35569043
>this amount of sperg in one post

my sides are a splode

>>35568456
2 steps

>>35569343
Technically 3 depending on whether sleep restart or shut down is chosen by default as the oneclick option

>>35560809 (OP)

Install Start 8, find a torrent for it.
Bring back the normal desktop startbutton, skips Metro on boot, when pressing the windows key it goes to the normal start menu and not shitty metro.

I never used Metro to begin with, I find it a waste of space.

>>35569393
>alt+f4 like it always was
>enter

literally two steps

"For example, in Windows 8, Safe Mode is accessed from Startup Settings, which itself is accessed from the Advanced Startup Options menu. Unfortunately, Startup Settings only appears as an option in Advanced Startup Options if you access it from Windows 8. In other words, Windows 8 needs to be working properly before you can boot into Safe Mode, which you only really need to use if Windows 8 isn't working properly."

"In fact, even the widely publicized SHIFT+F8 option, which supposedly works to force Advanced Startup Options to appear (and ultimately Startup Settings and Safe Mode), only works on very slow computers. The amount of time that Windows 8 looks for SHIFT+F8 is so small on most Windows 8 devices and PCs that it borders on impossible to get it to work."

Windows 8 profle service error, can't log in, can't bios can't safe mode/restore FML

>>35568456
>>35569393
>>35569343

>Windows 7
>Press power button
1 step

>Windows 8
>Press power button
1 step

Come again??

>>35569430
Nigger I don't know what fucking windows you're using but alt f4 has never shut down anything except the open application

>>35569456
it works on windows 7, I just tried it

>>35565098

What I find annoying with Metro is that it basically forces you to downgrade to a mainstream audience that normally takes a minute to read every menu or look for a button.
If you feel at home in Windows 7 for instance then you know how to access things quick and easy in a multitasking way which Metro does not allow you to.

For instance Metro comes with its own version of Skype.
You start it, there are no options to set just spoon feeding your contacts and fullscreen the ability to chat or start a video conversation.

Now just about everyone would during a chat session think; hey I am going to check somehting online or something and have the chat session right next to my browser.

Wrong Metro will not allow you to do that. If you go to desktop you leave Metro and Skype as well.

Instead you need to uninstall and reinstall a desktop version of Skype or anything else if you want to multitask on your desktop.

That sounds like the most ridiculously made function ever.

>>35569456
You're a retard.

>>35569492

nigger, you can snap metro application to the side and multitask away

metro skype is the superior version since it's not bloated

>>35569456
I'm using Windows 7, but I know it works on windows 8 too.

You must be using Windows 'dumbfucking nigger retard' edition.

Keep with it, it suits your intellect.

>>35560809 (OP)
>can't into Alt-F4
>can't into Ctrl-Alt-Delete
>can't into Charms bar
>can't into .bat files
>can't into StartIsBack

>computer & software engineer
>tech savvy

>top kek

>>35569548
>>35569476
>>35569526
You have to have you mouse focus on the desktop for alt-f4 to shut down you dumb niggers, that's at least one extra step right there unless you spend you time staring at your fucking wallpaper

>>35569592
>you have to focus on the thing you want to close to alt-f4

>baww my computer can't read my mind and know what to shut down

Are you disabled?

>>35569619
Are you a genuine fucking idiot?
>LEL ALT F4 DOES IT IN 2 STEPS AS LONG AS YOU HAVEN'T OPENED ANY WINDOWS OR PROGRAMS
>So, 3 steps then?
>NO R U FCKIN RETRDED THE COMPUTER ISN'T SIDEKICK 2 RED UR MIND
How do you even manage to breath?

>>35569592
It's always been that way you bell-end.
Alt-F4 attempts to close the active window. If the Desktop is the active window, Alt-F4 tries to shutdown Windows.

You can fucking press Ctrl-Alt-Delete and click shutdown if you don't want to go to your Desktop.

Although, if you're really concerned with losing another half-a-second of your miserable life shutting down your computer, I'm sure you already just switch it off at the wall every time you want to shutdown. No Desktop, no Modern UI, no button combinations, instant gratification, right??

>>35569680
Holy shit, are you genuinly, incomprehensibly slow?
Here you are bragging about how alt-f4 shuts down the computer in 2 steps, I step in with a post saying that that is not even remotely fucking true unless you spend your time looking at your chinese cartoon wallpaper, and some how I'm the bellend for correcting your moronic statement, and then your go on a little projection about "my miserable life" because pointing out your mistake upset you

>>35569728
I'm a new poster who happened to see the post in the catalog and reply.

You're the one making assumptions and moronic statements. It was never my mistake to begin with.

>>35569769
>I'll just step in like Christ himself and bless you with my angry rant about your life, it's you're own fault that I did not clarify who I am during a discussion on an anonymous website
So yes, you are indeed incomprehensibly slow. Roundabout way of saying it, but ok

>I had to look up how to even shutdown in windows 8

those high school students probably know more than you faggot

>>35564962
>#!
>13
>Amateur software dev

Looks like somebody learned to create a "Hello, world" program

>>35569788
>you're
What the fuck am I typing

>>35564962
>crunchbang
>at 13
That distro's only like 2 years old at most. Reported for underage

>>35569788
>you're

I didn't need to clarify myself, really, as you said this is an anonymous website, and I'm not so sure that explaining what Alt-F4 does is consistent with the definition of 'rant'.

I never said that Alt-F4 would shut Windows in two steps no matter the situation. All I said was:
>Alt-F4 attempts to close the active window. If the Desktop is the active window, Alt-F4 tries to shutdown Windows.

>>35569858
>and I'm not so sure that explaining what Alt-F4 does is consistent with the definition of 'rant
> if you're really concerned with losing another half-a-second of your miserable life shutting down your computer, I'm sure you already just switch it off at the wall every time you want to shutdown. No Desktop, no Modern UI, no button combinations, instant gratification, right??

>I'm a computer & software engineer
>I had to look up how to even shutdown in windows 8

that's so weird since my 6 year old niece can operate a surface RT without help

>>35569909
That's hardly a rant.

Anyway, I'm going to Alt-F4 out of here and get some sleep. Nice chatting with you Anon. I apologise on behalf of Microsoft that Alt-F4 doesn't magically understand exactly what you want it to do.

>>35569043

flip back to 1987


WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS MOUSE THING ITS SO NONINUTITIVELY

>>35569935
It's probably intuitive to all the new users, but clearly everyone who's used to how windows is supposed to work hates it. I personally don't mind change, but it feels weird to use anything other than a typical desktop layout with a taskbar on the bottom no matter the OS. It's one of the reasons why I can't use Ubuntu any more. Fuck that vertical taskbar.

>>35569853
There was definately a crunchbang based on Intrepid, so he could be 18, just.

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Is this the anti-Windows 8 circlejerk thread of the day?

>>35561229
I couldn't remember quickly how to shut win8 down. I just leave it running and it only restarts after updates.

>>35560809 (OP)
Manuals exist for a reason.

>>35570601
god forbid someone doesn't like something and wants to talk about it

>>35570601
>Mayhem's 4chan X
>Google Chrome
>XChat
>MS Paint
Makes perfect sense that you like Windows 8, I guess. Everything else you use is terrible so they probably run better there.

In my opinion Windows 8 is not really worth the time to install it. It doesn't offer much of an improvement, if any. Maybe the task manager which, by the way, there are third party tools for that crap.

Anyways at least in my case there's absolutely no difference other than the start menu. Not even pirating it is difficult anymore, I'd place it as an alternate version of windows 7 where some drivers may fuck up (my sound drivers, for instance, would cause latency issues in 8 and not in 7, same ones even).

So I'm going back to 7 because I'm honestly bored of this shit.

Is there any difference on any game? The only reason I use Windows 7 is because I want my goddamn games. Any improvement at all?

>not using glorious win+r "shutdown /*" which in most occasions is win+r, enter
Hueeeeeheueheueoppnb

>>35570736
what the fuck is wrong with any of those? you're dumb

>>35570714
Imflammatory comments for the sake of trolling people into responses isn't "talking about it"

>>35570601
HOLY SHIT FIX THAT FUCKING FONT RENDERING

Is windows' font rendering *still* that terrible?

Windows 8 is about as intuitive as being thrown in a giant corn maze and having to get yourself out of it. They should have worked more on user desktop experience. There are a plethora of examples. For instance did you know you can hit the start button then just start typing an apps name to search for it? Well there is actually no where on the start menu screen to indicate you can start typing. The user is just supposed to know somehow hey I can type now and search for apps.

One thing I do like though is the new screenshot system. The updates and forced restarts however are annoying as hell. They don't give you the option to pause or stop them now...

>>35570736
>Mayhem's 4chan X
It works for me. I don't need a complete overhaul of 4chan complete with an animu waifu looking at me on the right side of the page like in AppChan X.

>Google Chrome
>XChat
They work,

>MS Paint
I just installed 8.1 and used Paint to paste and save the screenshot. I'm going to install Photoshop (along with the rest of Adobe CC) later today.

while i found it pretty easy to shut down, i agree that it's a counter-intuitive piece of boo-boo.

just the bastard son of an oversaturated windows 7 and an edgy new mobiley touchey appsy interface. dunno what they were smokin

>>35570883
do provide something that looks better, then.

>>35570904
>implying not using appchan x means you have to use mayhem's fork
what a retard

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>>35571343

>>35571396
When did I say that?

>>35571415
by acting as if if you dont use mayhem's fork you have to use appchan x?

>>35571433
I provided AppChan X as an example. Never stated that there was no other alternatives as you may have assumed.

>>35571462
Then why even bring up not "needing a complete overhaul"? Fucking dumbass

[win][d]
[alt][f4]
[enter]

so much for tech savvy.

>>35561260
Have fun constantly distro hopping for all eternity.

>>35571486
Did you wake up on the floor or something? It's as if I can feel your blood pressure spiking through your post. I said 4chan X worked for me, and I see no reason to switch. You haven't even stated why you dislike Mayhem's fork.

Also, no need to descend to name calling.

This shit is horrible. I had Windows 8 and "UPGRADED" to Windows 7

>>35571530
you cant even disable his retarded updater interval increases

you dont even have quote threading

you cant even use external links in its header or external catalog support

worst fork in existence

>>35560809 (OP)
not just pressing the run quick key and write shutdown -s.
you dont know shit.

>>35571515
oh god man dont say that

ive been distro hopping like crazy for a year now

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Hi.

>>35571554
at the end of the day you still payed for winblows h8
you are just part of the problem

>>35571592
Get a Mac if you want something Unix-like. Linux will never be mature on the desktop. I've had my mini for a year and I'm fine with it.

>>35571710
This.

So you're a computer and software engineer, you worked IT in highschool, you consider yourself tech savvy, and yet you don't even know how to fucking use alt-F4?

>>35571710
Hello, stranger.

>>35561117
Or just pay attention to the graphics when you are installing the os

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>>35571710
Mavericks master grand prix

>>35571746
Tell me, Microsoft shill, what do you use metro for?

>>35571791
Programs I don't use often, and games. In Windows 8.1 you can make the start button go directly to the "all apps" menu.
I don't use it much though, I've pinned most of my stuff in the win+X menu which is a fucking godsend.

>>35571834
Do you use Metro more than you use the desktop? What advantages does Metro have over the desktop? Why the fuck should OP or anyone else upgrade to Windows 8?

>>35571791
aesthetic Game launcher on my desktop
General use on my Surface if there is an approprate app for it, i.e, amazon, ebay, some magazines, recipies, you know, tablet stuff.

>>35565031
Well I used windows 8 to just try it out. But the problem for me was that I only use the touchpad on my laptop and navigatien was not great. But the biggest problem is if i want to search for any thing metro blocks the whole screen. I cant read and search on the same time...

>>35571895
Posted from my Nokia Lumia 1020 ™

>>35571846
Considering how Windows 8.1 is right at the corner, I wouldn't recommend anyone to upgrade to Windows 8. I kind of liked it, but Blue is much more complete.
Windows 8.1, while not perfect, can be used 100% Metro-free. You can make it boot directly to desktop, make the start button display "all apps" like I already said, and for power users the win+X menu is much more easy and comfortable than Metro or even the original start menu (inb4 muh icons muh rice).
Metro isn't terrible, it can be useful. I don't personally mind it, but it can become a godsend for people who constantly use TONS of programs because it can take maybe 10, even 20 times (depending on your monitor) the shortcuts you could have on the old start menu whithout making it unpractical, unaesthetic as fuck or clogged.
I also love the touch keyboard shortcut that you can place on your taskbar, much better than the original on-screen keyboard and it's great when I'm using my keyboard on another PC.

>>35571969
I think that probably sounded more clever in your head

>>35571987
I don't plan on using Linux or Windows anymore. I've decided they both suck in their own ways. No matter how many shills either have I won't be convinced to go back.

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As an actual IT pro I can tell you that no matter what you give people they hate change. The majority of "I hate Win 8" posts are because the user simply doesn't like change.

Learn to use keyboard shortcuts.

>>35572044
I'd rather not and use something that works. Thanks.

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>pulse open in metro
>architecture and design category
>using Proprietary AutoCAD in a non /g/ field of work
>excel macros for preliminary design

On a scale of 1 to butthurtoverload how mad are you all?

I invite you to all get on my level.

Baby duck syndrome. I am currently using Windows 8 and I consider it to be superior in every single way.

>>35572071
It works without them too, usually better than 7

>>35572044
>Learn to use keyboard shortcuts
But I do, except they're the ones I picked because Linux lets you do that. Does Windows even have custom hotkeys without third party programs?

>>35560809 (OP)

Hello, I'm 17 and going to be a CS major next year.

Are you fucking stupid? It takes 5 seconds to figure out. This is why CE and SE are a joke. You can't even operate a computer.

I too switched to GNU/Linux because of my reaction to Windows 8, and the notion that Microsoft is going to go further in this Metro direction with Windows 9 and all other future products.

>>35572071
>keyboard shortcuts don't work

are you retarded?

>>35571580
because that's oh so intuitive

>>35572071
I don't care what interface you are using if you are clicking all over the screen trying to do tasks that are much more efficiently done using keyboard shortcuts I assume you are either too stupid or too lazy to learn how to use that interface correctly.

>>35571987
Oh I forgot, if you log in with a Microsoft account (which, by the way, you should be able to make even with a non-Live email), a lot of settings (including a decent number of advanced ones, not just your desktop wallpaper and your user pic) get synced and are automatically set in new installations once you login. It's not groundbreaking, but it's a pretty decent feature. Also, picture passwords are fucking amazing even on non-touch devices.

>>35572035
Your problem, just keep in mind that there isn't a "perfect" OS. Microsoft isn't making a public service, they're making a product - and every product has its pros and cons. There's always the alternative of making your own OS, but I doubt more than a few people here on /g/ would actually be able to do that.

>>35572044
Exactly this. First thing I've noticed when I started using Windows 8 is how it just looks for casuals, but actually isn't. A lot of new features and changes are very practical, they just work differently and need a bit of getting used to them. Personally I would never go back to Win7 from 8.1, and I'm not even a Microsoft fanboy in the slightest.

>>35572122
ALT-F4 on the desktop nigger.
It's like you've never used windows before. Holy shit.

>>35572147
Why should it be necessary to learn to use an interface which will lead to my ultimate decline in productivity? I'm going with a Mac, and you shoving keyboard shortcuts in my face isn't going to stop me.

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>>35572089
jelly/butthurtload
I wish I could cad

ITT : People confusing intuitivity with familiarity.

>>35571846
>What advantages does Metro have over the desktop?
Not him, but the entire environment is hardware-accelerated by DirectX. Everything runs super smooth @ 60FPS and pretty much zero perceptible lag.

The UI is resolution-independent, with little-to-no modification necessary for app developers.

>Metro on a 5K display

https://www.microsoft.com/global/en-us/news/publishingimages/ImageGallery/Images/Products/Windows/Windows8/AccessingSystemCommands_Print.jpg

>A Metro app running on a Retina MBP

http://lab.vente-privee.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/La-redoute-recherche.png

Desktop mode is not as efficient at supporting high DPI setups.

http://images.anandtech.com/galleries/2116/200pct3.png

http://images.anandtech.com/galleries/2116/cs6.png

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>>35572185
>Why should it be necessary to learn to use an interface which will lead to my ultimate decline in productivity?
> I'm going with a Mac

>>35572225
I swear to God there are Microshit employees all over this fucking board

>>35572221
ITT:
omg thumbnails are so unintuitive in comparison to my list of shit bawww fuq windows 8 because of autism

>>35572228
>lel macs r gay only fgs use it

>>35572228
Explain: how does a Mac lead to a decline in productivity? I can think of several ways Wangdoze or Loonix can.

>>35572244
>get rekt
>cry shill

Linux zealot detected.
Don't you have something you should be compiling right now?

>>35572244
Everything is said is objectively correct, you can't even refute it

>>35568510
>yfw using windows is like eating shit

>>35572221
Except that computers have never been intuitive.

>>35572225
You should lower the text size on that desktop

>>35572262
No retard.
>why should I learn something new that will decline productivity
>decide to switch from windows to apple

hurr fucking durr you think that windows 8 is so 'bad' that it justifies you migrating an entire ecosystem?

You're fucking retarded

>>35572301
>hi-dpi
>lower the text size
because all I ever wanted was to squint at a screen

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>>35572185
OK then. I know a lot of users who are unable to make the change from a Mac to other interfaces. Unfortunately for them they have to pay the premium for Apple products

One of Mac's strengths is keeping the same look and feel of their products because they understand their users don't like change.

Macs have keyboard shortcuts too but I haven't meet too many Mac users who use them.

>>35572336
I can see it now

>but mom, I don't want to remember all of those four-leaf clovers! I'm sticking to windows!

>>35564979
How do you shutdown windows xp?

To STOP, you have to go to the START menu. How Non-logical is that. Someone showed it to you, didn't they

>>35560809 (OP)
>OP yfw alt+f4 on the desktop gives you shutdown options

>>35572406

No beacuse autism.

The whole Metro has lots of advantages. But those are really disadvantages when seen from muh freedom person's perspective.

>>35560809 (OP)
>I had to look up how to even shutdown in windows 8
Just press the power button.

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>>35572436
serious qwestion, are you autistic and/or mentally disabeld?

>>35572267
Response: only if you can't learn how to use something and instead need to be spoonfed by what you're using. It's not a sin to be completely clueless about how a OS works and I'd personally recommend Macs or tablets to anyone that clearly doesn't know anything and isn't interested in learning, but holy fuck I expect /g/ to at least know how to shut down a Windows system and how to generally operate it wisely using keyboard shortcuts. It's like spending all day trying to talk about physics when you can't even tie your fucking shoelaces.

>>35572244
Oh boy I WISH I was payed from Microsoft to express my opinion on their products. I've never even bought a single copy of Windows in all my life. Besides, you can't argue about people posting facts.

>>35572315
I dunno how big that monitor is, I'm watching thos pics on a 27" 2560x1440 and the text looks really fucking big. Maybe it's ok for you.

>>35572429
The thing is, W8 had a lot of great but still ripe features. But I like where they're going, which is why I consider 8.1 such a massive improvement

>So I'm a computer & software engineer, I worked IT in highschool, i consider myself tech saavy,
>i consider myself tech saavy,
>doesn't know you can press the power button, alt-f4 or click the charms bar

hah oh wow.

>>35572470
*Unripe features, sorry

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>>35572429
Like what, ugly gradients?

>>35572543
Limiting users and developers to achieve quality and stability.

>>35572568
>Limiting users and developers to achieve BUZZWORD and BUZZWORD
Ah, could you repeat that?

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>>35572613
>quality
>stability
>buzzwords

Is this nigga srs?

>>35572543
Did you even notice that in the old start menu you can't keep that much shortcuts, and you can't organize them nearly as good? Metro is still unripe and it's still ten times more useful than the old start button

>>35572613
>Stability
>Buzzword
I guess if your OS crashes every 10 seconds, that doesn't mean anything.

>>35572627
Yes.
>>35572635
I really never used the start menu. I just used winkey + text + enter. I like how the search is faster in win8, though.
>>35572640
It doesn't mean anything because windows 8 is no more "stable" than windows 7. Neither have ever crashed on me.

>>35564900
When you install it, there's a presentation that tells about smart corners.
Yes, it took 5 seconds, maybe even less.

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>>35572543
Fixed in 8.1 (well not really, colored tiles still use a gradient)

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>>35572640
>I guess if your OS crashes every 10 seconds, that doesn't mean anything.

>>35560809 (OP)
Windows is a cancerous proprietary spying and botnet OS. You should not use any versions of Windows under any circumstances, unless you want to be a slave of course.

>>35572716
>fixed
Fucking awesome. At least it's better than the ugly gray gradient.

>>35572273
Except I have a Mac. Keep dreaming faggot.

>>35572729
>picture of hackintoshed leopard
Did nobody tell you with this is 2013?

>>35572782
>implying you can't install GNU/Linux on a mac
>he didn't install GNU/Linux on his
Hop to it, get that OS X cancer off your machine.

>>35572672
Stability of whole platform, not just OS itself. Many people forget OS is not self-contained thing, but serves as platform for 3rd party applications.
WinAPI is open and thus it is hard to maintain quality and stability of all 3rd party applications.
WinRT is closed and controlled which makes it easy to maintain stability and quality.

>>35572782
>mac owner calling others 'faggot'
top fucking lel

>>35572810
>implying hackintosh

>>35572837
I can't even remember the last time an application crashed on me. Oh wait, yes I can. It was the metro skype app which refused to start. So much for your "closed and controlled" "stability and quality".
And are you really arguing that a walled garden is better than an open system? I know just the phone for you, man.

>>35572869
You base your statistics on single application?
Also, closed system is "better" in short run. Open system needs much more time to achieve quality and even then, it is hard to keep it stable.
Eg. whole Linux.

>>35572761
8.1's tile colors are based on the icon color, which is pretty cool

>>35572851
No cursor shadow means lack of compositing. Hackintosh it is.

>>35572896
I still wished there was an option for monchrome themeing a la wp8

>>35572893
Open software can have an infinite number of people working on a program. Closed software can only have as many people working on one program as the company allows. Therefore your statement is invalid.

>>35572893
A proprietary system is never better under any circumstances. With proprietary software, you have no freedom.

>>35572893
Well, nothing else has crashed on me so far, so yeah, I guess that's the only statistic I got.
Also, I'm dualbooting GNU/Linux (Mint), and it's extremely powerful in that you can do whatever you want, provided you have the skill. And, if I don't intentionally fuck with the drivers, nothing crashes. Really, no joke.

>>35572930
>Open software can have an infinite number of people working on a program.
Which is wrong.

>>35572944
>nothing else has crashed on me so far,
Now you are just lying. Are you telling me you never had to configure something that misbehaved?

>>35572943
No freedom is not an argument.

>>35572896
mfw I've just noticed this after using the 8.1 preview since release

you just blew my mind

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>>35572976
forgot image

>>35572943
>With proprietary software, you have no freedom.
I need proprietary software to do my job. Every FOSS alternative I've used is crippled terribly.

>>35572962
> Are you telling me you never had to configure something that misbehaved?
Well, cracked games, but I'm quite sure those don't count. Other than that, nope, nothing.

>>35573007
The software I use for my job doesn't even have a FOSS alternative.

>>35573029
This.

and guess what?
idgaf, because I couldn't do my job without it, and my job is more important to me than RMS's retarded shittalking.

>>35572943
If you want freedom, write your own fucking OS. It's too simple to spit on the plate you're eating from.

>>35572985
>>35572976
>Ashley

>>35573066
That's my name.
Problem?

>>35560809 (OP)
>computer & software engineer, I worked IT in highschool
>I had to look up how to even shutdown in windows
Alt + F4?
Looks like you're a shitty engineer then, you could even do shutdown -f -s -t 0 if you really were tech saavy.

>>35568999
This. I was skeptical about GNOME 3 until I tried it. Man, it's pretty good.

I'm a macfag and I'm considering switching to fedora full time just to keep using gnome 3.

>>35573113
What a faggy name, even for grills

By the way guys, is there a way to make ALL Metro tiles in W8.1 large like you can with the Store and Desktop ones? Some registry edit?