buuuuuuuuuump

yes.

h-how? and why? this is like throwing gold from the car window, not that im not happy.. but nothing is for free.. usually...

wat

You don't get the ability to interact with the professors, you don't get the special opportunities that actual students get, you don't get feedback, and if you do, it's not extensive or thorough.

A university is not just about the material, it's about getting the experience and interaction of the professors. Yeah you get the material for free, but you miss out on the rest of the value.

>>35287209
not everyone is a greedy jew anon

the books aren't free

>>35287280
exactly

the MIT courses are a good reference or refresher but just taking the courses won't automatically grant you a diploma and experience

>>35287280
also nobody cares about books you read they want to see a degree, experience, internships, jobs, etc.

>>35287289
The irony is that one of the reasons for MITs astounding success is that they were willing to take all the Jews that Harvard drove out.

>>35287280
>paying 40 large for professor interaction

sure is delusional in here

>>35287314
why did Harvard drive out jews

>>35287280
Also, you don't get to meet cute shy single programmers girls in your class, thus nullify your chance to ever find a girlfriend.

>>35287327
because rich old white man money

you see the only people who love money more than jews are rich old white men, but they don't want the world to know that so they fund to spread the propaganda of the greedy jew stereotype in places like stormfront, here, reddit, and everywhere else

>>35287042 (OP)
rip zyzz

>>35287209
Why not have everything for free. Money is madness.

>having to pay for universities
plebs

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>>35287337
>cute
>programmer
>girls

>>35287351
jew detected

>>35287280
But I never talk to my teachers.
Wouldn't it be best if I used OCW to learn and get experience by doing open source stuff?

>>35287327
Jews made up a huge percentage of university population during the 1910's - 1920's, and there was actually pervasive antisemitism in upper class America at the time, of which Harvard prided itself on being.

Harvard president of the era decided to place a cap on the number of Jews admitted to Harvard. Those two things combined lead many Jewish students and professors to take a short 10 minute walk down Mass Ave and go to the other world class university, MIT.

>>35287042 (OP)
>>35287209
>>35287280
>>35287308
>>35287315
>>35287314
>>35287337
If you weren't motivated enough in high school to get into MIT or a decent school with scholarships/grants, what makes you think you have enough motivation to get through their coursework on your own? You will have even less external motivation than normal (e.g. no flunking out and wasting 40K).

This is why MIT offers everything online.

>>35287366
no its true, who do you think really runs the world?

the jews have been prosecuted for hundreds of years, how is it they can go from such a dark time period to running the world in 60 years? they can't. its the rich white man spreading the lies so that way the world goes on a witch hunt for the jews and they can keep running the world and laughing about it

>>35287385
It also had to do with the anti-communist attacks, of which lower class eastern european(jews) were a majority.

Yep. Especially when you include the old Arsdigita content that isn't linked anywhere.
http://aduni.org/courses/
https://archive.org/details/arsdigita

It includes a class based on SICP. There is another SICP class that was taught by Abelson and Sussman as well
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/

>>35287313
Actually, most of them will be content with your Github if it's impressive enough.

>>35287386
But you can go at your own pace. If you're too stupid to learn a semester's worth in a single semester you can take as long as you want.

>>35287386
now im more mature. Also less party and more frighten about future and form a family...

>>35287399
should I read SICP with no previous knowledge? or should I wait?

>>35287651
Depends on how math oriented you are. Do you understand how to look at things like summation notation and logarithms while actually thinking about what they mean? If not, you'll probably just gloss over a lot of SICP and not understand it.

>>35287707
Projection.

>>35287777
wut

>>35287777
Not at all. SICP was intended for students that had already completed at least Calc I. You might not like it, but you'll probably find it hard to grok if you suck at math.

So what do I do after the MIT course?
SICP?

>>35287810
Which is not to say that if you can't do math very well, you can't program very well.

A great tragedy of modern computer science courses is that they conflate math skill with programming ability, when the reality is that the two skills don't overlap much at all. Comprehending human languages has equally as much importance.

>>35287827
You should be praying to God with verses from SICP.

>>35287337
>/g/
>chance to ever find a girlfriend

>>35287337
I don't know about single programmer girls but there are some cute traps in my class.

>the whole fucking career for free

I dropped out of university but did all my computer science classes and even worked at an idustrial affiliate for a year

how get job

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>>35287337
>cute shy single programmers girls in your class
>cute
>shy
>programmers
>girls
>in your class
>single

You haven't been in a STEM university, have you?

>>35287831
>Which is not to say that if you can't do math very well, you can't program very well.
I never said that. Stop misinterpreting things. He asked if he should do SICP. And what I said was true, no, you shouldn't do SICP if you suck at math.

>when the reality is that the two skills don't overlap much at all
You are so full of shit. Computer Science isn't even meant to teach you to program. And beyond that, math is incredibly important in programming, you just take it for granted because there are often libraries available for whatever task you need that abstract away all the scary math. If you want to write basic desktop applications with Python, then no, you don't need a lot of math. But if you keep learning beyond then then at a certain point you'll hit a wall and you'll need math to overcome it.

>>35287896
>And beyond that, math is incredibly important in programming

> If you want to write basic desktop applications with Python, then no, you don't need a lot of math.

You've never written enterprise software have you.

>>35287896
Chill out bro, I'm not the guy you were talking to.

>>35287327
I'm guessing that people felt similarly towards Jews back then as many do towards Chinese and Indians now.

The current unofficial discrimination against Asian Americans somewhat resembles the official discrimination against Jews back then.

However, because of the way people are encouraged to think by the media, in most peoples eyes,
discriminating against Asians = disliking a different culture
discriminating against Jews = evil mass murderer.

>>35287865
prob still in high school

>>35287934
Do you actually want to limit yourself to writing contrived software in Java or something?

>>35287209
You don't get a degree, or face time with a professor

>>35287865
oh god it's like it's all over after GE dclasses

>>35287979
No one is disputing that math is useful, just that it's not as important as a lot of people try and push that it is.

The quantity of diversified software one can write without touching calculus or other higher mathematics is impressive - so impressive that one could go through life as a successful programmer without ever having to deal with it.

Language is a complete non-issue. LISP is somewhat math oriented, as are Haskell and Perl, but the other languages are geared towards the human-language side of things. Java, C#, Python, all of which are immensely popular languages, each of which has a user base which outnumber that of the mathy languages combined (except for perhaps, R, which is used often in high finance and science).

There are certain problems that will require mathematics, absolutely. But it's not the majority.

>>35288090
The kind of software that can be written without math tends to be non-clever brute forcey stuff anyway. In that, underpaid 3rd world non-people are just as good as you are. This is why math is important.

>>35287399
So how do I do this, one course at a time or the first lesson from each course, then the second and so on?

>>35288090
>The quantity of diversified software one can write without touching calculus or other higher mathematics is impressive - so impressive that one could go through life as a successful programmer without ever having to deal with it.
That's because Calculus isn't really the rigor you want to focus on for programming, discrete math is. You can be a programmer without understanding discrete math, but once you study it for a bit you will think about problems better. It makes you a better programmer. Same thing with algorithmic analysis and a lot of the other math related programming fields.

>There are certain problems that will require mathematics, absolutely. But it's not the majority.
You are needlessly restricting yourself at that point.

>>35288178
However much you want to burden yourself with at once. Since it was a year long course, the MIT people probably did four or five of those classes at once for about fifteen weeks at a time or something. Some of it is outdated though, like the "Web Applications" class. You probably do not want to learn how to make web applications from the early 2000s.

>>35288180
>That's because Calculus isn't really the rigor you want to focus on for programming, discrete math is. You can be a programmer without understanding discrete math, but once you study it for a bit you will think about problems better. It makes you a better programmer. Same thing with algorithmic analysis and a lot of the other math related programming fields.

I'll give you those points, you're correct.

>You are needlessly restricting yourself at that point.

But I'm not ready to cede this point yet.You see it as a needless restriction, I see it as choosing your battles. Some people just aren't fit to tackle some kinds of problems. Maybe they aren't interesting to them, but they aren't good at that kind of thinking. Why should either of these things stop someone from programming? I maintain that without touching those problems, you can make great, useful and yes, even clever software.

>>35288254
>But I'm not ready to cede this point yet.You see it as a needless restriction, I see it as choosing your battles.
Fine. But this was a discussion about SICP, in which case you do need the math.
https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-16.html#%_sec_2.3.2

I'm going to be blunt here: You clearly haven't read SICP and don't understand the prerequisites for the book. I was saving the guy time by telling him not to read it if he's bad at math, since he probably doesn't even know what a differential is, let alone how to implement an application utilizing them.