Gimp.

>>33603194
Gimp is shit. What other software is there?

>>33603207
The GNU image manipulation program.

Old Photoshop.

>everything is monetized

Holy fucking why. When did consumers let this happen to themselves?

>>33603225
This one

>>33603207
Corel.

>Implying it won't be cracked

It'll be like iOS. People will crack the major releases and ignore the minor releases. Nothing changes when you want to make shitty memes. If you use Photoshop or other adobe products professionally this is a godsend

Again and I'll I'll answer this question when we think about what's happening with the company and we think that that's phenominal value for our customers. I think the success that we're driving great value uh to our customers and we think that the creative cloud and the return of investment on that marketing spend that's going digital and understanding that the collaboration features that you have with creative cloud is not just for individuals. We recently announced a creative cloud for teams, we think that's the best offering for customers. We really believe that that, you know, when you think of the creative cloud. And, I, again, all I can say is when we think we have a great value uh to our customers. When Adobe thinks about how we want to make sure that the value that customers, whether they be individuals all the way best way to large enterprises, are getting through the creative cloud. And, I, again, all I can say is when we think that that's phenominal value for our customers. When Adobe thinks about how we want to make sure we attract the next generation, again, I I ah, the future of the leaders in terms of the amount of marketing spend is relevant. When you look at it holistically we look at our solutions in that space we think we have the local team continue to work with customers to make sure that the return of investment on that marketing spend that's going... Thank you I really appreciate your coming again.

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>>33603225

Contribute to GIMP if you think it's shit

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>>33603237

> implying this didn't happen because of software piracy AND greed

> yfw this happens to O/S's.

>>33603190 (OP)
Gimp was already better.

inb4 muh features. All the features in the world can't justify PS's bloat.

>>33603297
>Pay your annual Windows subscription fee or the Computer will be locked

>>33603297
Piracy has absolutely 0 to do with it. It's nothing but an excuse.

>>33603190 (OP)
Portable version mawfocka

>>33603316
linux mawfocka

>>33603291
If anything, I think this news might actually make GIMP better. Or at the very least, improve the developmental work on it. The main problem I have with GIMP is that it looks and feels terrible. If it looked and felt more like photoshop, as a real replacement, then I think it would be adopted a lot more.

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>>33603324
>>33603334
Down's Syndrome "mawfocka"

>>33603316
If it is the same price in the long run, I don't care

>>33603334
>Linux

Not with the intel kill switch

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>>33603297
>mfw

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>>33603322

> photoshop is one of the most all-time pirated pieces of software apps, hands down.

> hurr durr, not a damn thing to do with piracy, they're just greedy.

So OWS in here.

>>33603297
Piracy never hurt Creative Suite. It's simply not priced for individuals. They're better off if people just pirate it for personal use, since using PS at home is just free training for if/when you enter the industry. It's the reason why their DRM is so shitty.

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>>33603364
>buying windows

>>33603378
>It's simply not priced for individuals.
It WASN'T priced for individuals.

>>33603378
Hell, they gave away CS2 for free now too, I don't even need all the shit in the new versions.

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>mfw I still use CS5
DAWN GIV A FUCK, MAHN~

>>33603401
>running the same crack every 180 days

>>33603405
What's the problem?

>>33603310
>Gimp was already better.

Then how come little to no professionals ever used it in their daily area of work?

>>33603415
>using Windows at all

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>>33603415
>delusional shills actually believe this

I boycott anything that goes cloud, good riddance.

Picman

>>33603420
With 10$/MO it is now perfectly priced for individuals.

>>33603415
double clicking an .exe twice a year is a lot cheaper than Windows is. With 10 minutes of your time you could write a program that even autoexecutes it for you

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>>33603378

> implying I haven't seen countless clients, large AND small, with dozens of PC's with pirated photoshop and/or creative suite on them over the past 10 years.

> mfw the piracy is even more rampant with MS office products.

I'm not saying that I have a problem with these people pirating way over-priced software apps, but let's not act like these company's aren't losing ALOT of money on piracy.

>>33603421
Designers have always been technologically retarded. If most of them buy Macs, just because they've heard from other people that they're better, what makes you think they'd make informed decisions with their software?

>>33603436
It's not 10 dollars per month. It's 20 dollars and only if you sign a year deal. Single month without the deal costs 40 dollars.

>>33603237
It happened because they accepted to be a consumer.
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Consumer

>>33603448
But they're correct by buying a Mac

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>>33603415

LMAO, who the fuck pays for windows anymore?

> what is SLIC

>Implying anyone pays for Photoshop anyway

>>33603452
Don't confuse licence for the full CS with just Photoshop.

>>33603433
Committed any code yet? I'm loving the new readme, but it's not enough for me to switch.

You'll have the Qt port done by next week, right?

>>33603458
I really want to filter all posts containing "gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid" but I'm strongly against filtering

>>33603291
The first thing I learned about GIMP many years ago when I first learned about FOSS was that the head devs are nazis with no sense for what their users actually want. It would be a waste of time trying to contribute something to make it useful.

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> 2013
> using Linux for anything other than a webserver, firewall, or secure surfing
> implying that's not why GIMP isn't used

> 2015
> Forget to make my weekly tribute to The Idol of Ballmer
> Pop up appears on desktop saying "Please pay your Windows usage fee. Y/N"
> Click No
> "Very well. Deleting and zeroing out the sector with your photos...Please make a payment now if you wish to retain your documents. Y/N"

>>33603448
Oh so printer companies too have a made a wrong and retarded decision to go with Photoshop/InDesign/Illustrator instead of Gimp?

Adobe line of products are currently more capable and versitile than Gimp. It's the objective truth. Bringing the decisions made by uninformed people doesn't make an argument truthful.

why would we care if adobe starts a sub model for their software? we'll still steal it.

>>33603493
My company actually has about 60 Fedora 18 machines running Office 2010 in Wine. Most of our employees love it and the only trouble they've had was trying to install shitware I didn't want them to put on there anyways.

>>33603518
What do printers have to do with GIMP or Photoshop?

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>>33603377
22st

>>33603190 (OP)
They couldn't possibly go subscription-only. This would be financial suicide. Those guys would be out of a job.

>>33603523
Office 2010 works in Wine? I don't doubt you, I just remember when it was terrible.

>>33603190 (OP)
>Now that Adobe is dead
thinking this will hard adobe whatsoever. Are people even paying more in general for this kind of software?

Most companies that actually pay for adobe shit make shit tonnes of money off of it and the licencing costs a negligible anyways.

>abode products are already insanely overpriced in australia
>now they expect a monthly sub fee

I pirated all my abode shit anyway

>>33603532
why? What's so bad about subscription only?

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>>33603474
What the fuck are you talking about

>>33603441
>apps

>>33603547
It does, the easiest way to get a perfect installation is to use playonlinux.

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>>33603523

> running a windows product on an emulator on top of Linux
> not running VMware ACE for VDE
> not running it terminal services with locked down templates.

LMAO, what a clusterfuck of a company that must be.

Bunch of cheap fucks.

> fedora and wine in a corporate enviroment

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>33603527
nothing really. Although GIMP doesn't support CMYK so that pretty much rules it out for professional print related work.

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>>33603569
It's even worse for Europeans. I can't see how they are ever going to gain a market in developing countries.

>>33603577
Wine isn't an emulator.

>professional software for professionals
>It's too expensive!
>I must pirate
>Adobe moves to subscription
>Adobe will now die
>implying you ever paid for Photoshop before

>>33603587
>getting bent over semantics
a compatibility layer. whatever.

>>33603527
What do Macs or designers and their choices have to do with Gimp or Photoshop? Unrelated analogies require even stronger unrelated analogies

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>>33603583
Why the hell do they do this? Seriously?

>>33603577
>Implying Redhat doesn't build its OSes for the corporate environment.

Hell, there is a fucking LDAP option built into Fedoras installer.

Wine is not an emulator. It actually translates the Windows binary. Also, all Vmware products are shit and we use KVM for all of our virtual machines.

Redhat 4 lyfe

>>33603583
>I can't see how they are ever going to gain a market in developing countries.
because their the best product out there still and are still worth the money. No company working on a professional project for a month (likely worth a few grand at least for shit teir work) is going to use gimp instead of photoshop to save a measily €25.

>>33603190 (OP)
>.jpg

>>33603599
No, that's literally what WINE stands for, Wine Is Not an Emulator.

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>>33603493
McAwesome.

>>33603475
Some guy started to make name changes in the code, and a tripfag opened the irc.

It's still more than what I expected it would ever achieve.

>>33603632
yeah, I fucking know. It's still autistic semantics. I can't help that the name is stupid.

>>33603552
>shit make shit tonnes of money

Can you give an actual real example?

For all there is, outsourcing jobs to countries where pirated software is used makes it harder for companies that pay for their software to actually be competitive.

>>33603622
>.aut

>>33603190 (OP)
well done adobe.. you managed to kill not only yourself but everything macromedia did

>>33603577
>Microsoft shill butthurt about losing the desktop marketshare to Linux.

>>33603653
>.mad

>>33603645
>outsourced jobs use Adobe
Fuck off, the Indians don't do creative stuff and China can copy anything with just a pencil tool in MSPaint.

>>33603645
working independently as an animator on what's considered pretty low end work in the industry, I was paid €600 a week for work. An after effects licence would be roughly €6 per week. People who think adobe prices are unrealistic have no understanding of the industry. And as far as I can tell the subscription prices don't even work out to be more expensive than paying up front for most companies.

>>33603673
>.b

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They did this because it's profitable. There's no good alternative for those programs and consumers depend on them. It's a business and Adobe knows how to handle it.

>>33603655
>>professional software for professionals
>>It's too expensive!
>>I must pirate
>>Adobe moves to subscription
>>Adobe will now die
>>implying you ever paid for Photoshop before

>>33603688
But I can't afford that, my liberal arts degree was expensive.

>>33603615
>It translates the Windows binary
I'm on your side, but that's not entirely correct. It maps the untouched binary into memory the same way that Windows does, then loads FOSS reimplementations of any required DLLs. It's as native as you can get. Lots of people think Wine does complicated "emulation," but it's best to think of Wine as a PE loader with support libraries. It goes through no more layers than a Qt or GTK+ app.

It even shares a lot of code with ReactOS, which could hardly be describes as an "emulator" or even a "compatibility layer," It's a reimplementation.

>>33603705
you can't afford 1% of your wages? Then just use gimp or a cheaper alternative. You'll find you'll be much less productive and find it a lot harder to land work though.

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>>33603698
>There's no good alternative for those programs

>>33603685
>creative stuff
You could not begin to image how much monotonous bullshit code there would be in something like Photoshop.

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>>33603615

> all VMware products are shit

Well, that told me everything I needed to know about you and what you actually know about IT.

This >>33603669 → shit is suddenly starting making sense.

>>33603702
no but they pretty much killed what macromedia achieved with their (mis)management..

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oh emmm geeee guiseeee how am i gonna make my meeems now?

>>33603743
he's talking about creative stuff as in working *with* photoshop. not programming it.

He's talking about graphic design type work, not programming.

>>33603763
Oh. Well carry on.

>>33603745
There are much better alternatives.There was a time that Vmware was needed, but now unless you are using Windows Server in the year 2013, KVM's with Redhats Virt-Manager are better.

>>33603722
most people on /g/ have no ability to understand that commercially licenced software often pays for itself and more. Limiting yourself to free software will often end up costing you more, especially in creative industry (graphic design, illustration, photography, animation, 3D CGI etc)

for mac there's pixelmator and acorn. nowhere near as powerful but great for most tasks

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>>33603656

> poor 12 year olds that think they're gonna save the world by using Linux
> implying 10 new users = HEY LOOK, WE GAINED MARKETSHARE

> mfw there STILL isn't any decent apps for Linux that's used by more than 3 people...and they're probably all surfing /g/ at this moment.

>>33603685
>Indians don't do creative stuff

Do you really think businesses care? On most freelance websites half the "designer" populace are from East Asia. Besides there are quite a few people who don't really know what designers do, for them it's all about clicking away at Photoshop and making their shitty design ideas work.

>China can copy anything with just a pencil tool in MSPaint
http://variety.com/2013/film/news/ilm-to-pact-with-chinas-base-fx-1200383782/
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lucasfilm-president-talks-china-deals-443625
http://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothypomerantz/2013/04/24/hollywoods-china-solution-two-versions-of-some-movies/
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/business/2013-04/15/content_16400679.htm

No one talks about it, but I'm sure legal software is not the backbone for businesses in developing Asian countries.

>>33603801
If you care more about your art than making money, you should know that your skills are going to limit you much more than your tools.

Of course, if you're ready to sell any old shit, it doesn't matter.

>>33603827
>dubious claims
>schooling anybody

>>33603827
Considering RHEL has a higher marketshare than Windows Server you've either sheltered yourself from change for the last five years or you're talking out of your ass to piss me off. Its not working either.

>>33603839
>you should know that your skills are going to limit you much more than your tools
that's true. But you can still be limited by your tools and if you're trying to make a livelihood out of your hobby you gotta care about making a steady income.

You have a choice of either rusing Photoshop or GIMP. Photoshop may cost money, but if you're using this for any kind of paid work you'll end up earning MUCH less by only using GIMP. So what's the benefit to using gimp if it doesn't save you money? Liking the open source ideology? That's all it has going for it. Most people don't care for that, especially creative. It's neat but their not gonna turn down work or restrict their salary dramatically for it.

this is actually what i've always wanted