It's a fucking console, what do you care anyhow?

consoles have gone downhill since the last generation

i expected this

we pc master race, now

now only nintendo is making reasonable consoles

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>>34004101
I don't care about the fucking console, I'm not buying it anyway.

It just pisses me off that microsoft is playing this jew shit and people are going to buy into it. DRM pisses me off and Microsoft knows it pisses everyone off, so instead of removing it, they're trying to hide it for as long as possible and eventually this sort of shit is going to be acceptable.

It fucking isn't.

Go back to /v/.

>>34004136
And the best thing you can do about the new shitbox at this point? Shut the fuck up, don't post threads that'll raise another shitstorm and get attention for two hours. The less attention the release gets, the better. They don't even do anything that'd actually deserve attention (as in GOOD things), so why in the name of fuck is everybody giving it to them?

>>34004116
Last gen was the first gen I didn't buy a console after starting with NES and DOS as my first platforms and I don't regret it at all. Nothing interests me about this gen either.

>>34004136
Why would a shill shake violently?

>>34004184
same, though i did have a second hand wii for a little while, i ended up only using it to emulate other consoles, so i sold it and went back to my xbox1 (fuck.. original xbox? damnit microsoft), since it can emulate the same systems

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Neither impresses me much. I'd thought this time round both companies were going to drop something great that future proofed their shit for a while. What a joke.

Both Sony and Microsoft are guilty:

1. Only a fool would think 8gb is going to see them through to 2018+. DDR4 is also nearly out later this year, and seeing as DRAM is now 1/3 the cost of what it was 3 years ago this was unacepptably chincy.
2. Both are using a mechanical 5400rpm HDD, despite SSD having been out for 4 years now and quite cheap. They didn't even try to combo a smaller 64gb SSD with the HDD (even a generic dirt cheap Sandisk one).
3. The CPU is an underpowered AMD octo (Jaguar lol) which will far from futureproof it.
4. They didn't even bother with Displayport, or making it properly 4k capable...
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-hdmi-passthrough/
HDMI's next gen that will *supposedly* handle 4k bandwidth (all buzztalk as of yet) might very well be a bastardized form of displayport, which is already capable of 4k today (this makes no sense)
5. It isn't backwards compatible with Xbox or Xbox 360 games (gay nigs)
6. Expandability? So solly!
7. Sony had at least a history of being very crackable - being able to stream media from any PC with PS3MediaServer etc was excellent, never having to worry about any of Microsoft's cockblock bullshit.
8. It looks like a VCR. Aesthetics still count for something, Microsoft.

>>34004086 (OP)
Get a PC. Enjoy gaming without restrictions.

>>34004207
Grab a second hand Android phone with HDMI out, dual core and 1GB of RAM. Anything from 2~ years ago should work. Pair with some PS3 controllers and you've got the best portable console ever, capable of emulating up to PS1 and doing multiplayer.

>>34004232

>Steam

>>34004233
or i can keep using my psp-3000, with its composite video out cable

>>34004242
>What is the "scene"?

>>34004242
DRM ridden malware.

Don't forget, you can't turn off the xbox one.
It has an internal battery in case you are out of power too

>>34004260

>What is playing single player
>What is no online multiplayer

>>34004271

As opposed to Scene buggy-as-fuck-ware. Right.

>>34004277
What if the internal battery is drained?
Does it self-destruct while it can?

>>34004282
>Scene
>Buggy
U wot, m8?

Not OP but I care because I don't want to see innocent people get shafted because of this. It breaks my heart everytime a big company crushes their customers with something stupid.

>>34004086 (OP)
>forcing you
Just join the PC or PS masterrace you dumb child. The PlayStation has always been superior. It just lacks a Western market. Be part of the change. Bring your friends over.

>>34004283
it is in standby mode, efficiently recording

>>34004278
>What is playing single player
The way PC games are played
>What is no online multiplayer
liberation from retardness and shallow content depraved games.

>>34004192

it happens when you reach maximum overshill

Multiplayer is the cancer of the industry. I always knew it.

>>34004292

Ever read a comment section on a private tracker in your entire life?
Oh right, you're just blissfully oblivious to the ratio of crapware to solid releases.

>>34004314

>The way PC games are played

Too bad the internet happened huh?

>>34004359
>dat immense delusion
Wow, just wow. Don't think I've seen anyone this deluded on the whole of 4chan, including /x/.
Must be a shill, real people aren't like that, right?

>>34004218

All this. They both fucked the dog royally.

If Sony has a brain in their head they will wait a few months longer and change spec.

I can't believe they're both going with APUs. nVidia basically said "fuck consoles" this time round and the console companies get caught with their dicks flapping in the wind.
Good for AMD I guess, they should make a pretty profit.

>>34004372

Nice damage control.

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>>34004232
>>34004271
>>34004314
>>34004372

Freetard go shave your beardcheese.

>>34004372
I buy games when I like them and especially when the multiplayer looks fun. I bought TF2 and SC2, and got so many hours of entertainment out of them.. 2*10 hours singleplayer + 1000*15 minutes (=250 hours) multiplayer equals 270 hours of entertainment for 80 bucks , meaning around 60 cents for two hours of entertinment

yeah, that IS worth it

for the rest... is either don't play them or buy them from the bargain bin. it's not like I have enough time to play a new game every week

>>34004389
>If Sony has a brain in their head they will wait a few months longer and change spec.
HA. If you think that you can change the spec at this point you are living in lala land. This has been set in stone for some time.

>Good for AMD I guess, they should make a pretty profit.
Probably not. AMD likely won't be getting much for each chip and the console market, as big as it is, is still pretty tiny compared to the PC/Mobile market.

>>34004433

>FPS

Careful the flight simulator and RPG faggots on this board will hate you now

>>34004447

>HA. If you think that you can change the spec at this point you are living in lala land. This has been set in stone for some time.

*record scratch* Nooooope.

They could easily do so with any number of specs. Nobody is talking about implementing any fundamental changes, only small ones that babbies would buy as a deal breaker Micro v. Sony

>>34004458
RPGs are fun, but ultimately.. Boring somehow. O can't play a singleplayer RPG after playing Wow vanilla-bc

it just feels so empty and useless without other people

>>34004447

>Probably not.

nVidia = completely shut out
AMD = providing CPUs to both Microsoft and Sony

Probably yes.

>>34004488
And how much are AMD making on those chips? How many are they going to sell of them?

>>34004447
>is still pretty tiny compared to the PC/Mobile market.

faggot the console market is outselling the pc market now and has for some time
Idiot.

>>34004503

>And how much are AMD making on those chips? How many are they going to sell of them?

More than the 0 nVidia is going to sell them.

>>34004505
Citation needed.

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>>34004503
A lot. And over many years.

You have to be delusional as fuck if you thin this won't benefit AMD.
Games will not be optimized for GCN 2.0 microarchitecture.
And they will be optimized for the Jaguar microsrchitecture as well.

>>34004515

>AMD likely won't be getting much for each chip and the console market, as big as it is, is still pretty tiny compared to the PC/Mobile market.

[citation needed]

>>34004512
Meh AMD needs anything to stay afloat.

>>34004529
Games will noW*

>>34004503

Xbox = 4 year run
Xbox 360 = 7 year run
Xbox One = probably 5 year run

Sony = same

5+ years to both companies = huge boon.

>>34004530
they don't get much for a single chip, but they get to sell huge numbers, so they probably make a good profit

and yeah >>34004529
is right, too. games will most likely work better on ati than they do right now

>>34004540

Well their prayers were answered

>>34004116
>now only nintendo is making reasonable consoles
Is your definition of reasonable include the biggest gimmicks, no third party support, and painfully outdated hardware?

>>34004552

Right so you ask for citations from me and just come back repeating the same conjecture when I ask you for the same. you suck at this

>>34004579
I'm not the guy you were replying to, sherlock.

ITT: People who pretend they know what their talking about.

Only thing I am personally looking forward to is better controllers to use for PC, in a couple years when they are cheap.

>>34004595

>Anonymous

>>34004218
SSD has a short lifespan. You're stupid to think they didn't think this thru 100 times over and made the best possible hardware choice for the business.

You guys seem to be forgetting this is a business, they are not trying to please you. They are trying to sell something that's good enough and makes them shitloads of profit.

>>34004505
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22103079

70 million PCs in three months. What have the consoles sold since 2006?

>>34004529
>A lot
No, they are not. The margins on these chips are tiny.

Here is an interesting one:
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/150892-nvidia-gave-amd-ps4-because-console-margins-are-terrible
>in January 2011, Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang told reporters that the Sony-Nvidia deal had earned Nvidia $500M in royalties since 2004

Consoles are built to extreme budget, we've always known that. There is no profit on console hardware.

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Looks like Anandtech was wrong in his memory system analysis.

This is how the Xbox memory bus looks like. Source: Semiaccurate.

The cache wastes 32% of dies space.
And the Exbox coincidentally has 33% less graphics processing.

>>34004610

SSD will be on like gen 9 or 10 by 2018 when they hit the consoles both hit the end of their runs. They're ALREADY outdated out of the box if they aren't going to put in a small ssd

>>34004619

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/23/pc_gaming_to_dominate_consoles_financially_by_2015/

>>34004218
>Aesthetics still count for something, Microsoft.

I actually like its design though.

Last gen consoles looked like complete ass.

>>34004636
>reduce margins for relatively minor load time differences
nothx

>>34004653
Oh games, well that is a different story all together. As we know PCs that are not used for games don't count.

>>34004566
even with what you mentioned, they're still better than the competition

The last console I was on was my roomie's PS3, then before that my bro's PS2. But I haven't had my own console since like literally PS1 and SNES.

Them hybridizing consoles is basically killing the entire concept of the console that was birthed in the 1970's.

Aren't they really just selling budget HTPCs with proprietary firmware now?

>>34004619
Vast majority of those PCs aren't even fro gaming.

>There is no profit
>posts a link which claims profit
Yeah... about that...

>>34004701
And proprietary games, Many which will never see the day on the PC platform.

>>34004657

I dunno, it sort of looks like one of those old VHS drawers we still have in the closet, just painted black.

My biggest pet peeve is the always on Kinect. I wouldn't want something that is constantly monitoring me through a microphone and a wide-angle camera.

Though it might only listen for the term "Xbox ,on" but you will never know.

I don't always play my videogames where I have Internet, so there better be a fucking cellular radio built with no fees if they're going to have an always online feature

>>34004730

The negative stigma of the watered down ports from PC to console, and the trouble of porting to every console, probably means they'll keep making each console's games more and more isolated

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>>34004708
You are completely missing the point. People seem to think that AMD is going to make massive money from consoles, they wont. Yes they will make money, like nvidia did but $500 million over 7 years isn't exactly game changing.

Who cares if those PCs are not used for games? AMD still gets paid. We are not comparing PC gaming and console gaming we are talking hardware. AMD getting the consoles isn't a massive deal, what they need is more chips in laptops and tablets.

>>34004782
AMD will make way more than Nvidia did as they're supplying both the CPU and GPU (It's on the same chip but either way it's going to cost more)

>>34004782

AMD is selling to both companies for quite a few years to come, though. Even at a lower price they'll still make a mint.
nVidia isn't getting any part of that. It has to be good for AMD.

The figures you're citing for what nVidia made selling to consoles were from a different time and market as well. Things have changed dramatically and the tech zeitgeist has altered in that time

>>34004782
I think you're missing the point as well and a bit short sighted.

AMD's microarchitectures were previously ignored, and their competitors were optimized for.

This time they have both CPU and GPU architecture inside the consoles. That means lots of free optimizations for their hardware, better ability to compete in the PC space. Thanks to the consoles.

>>34004389
>nVidia basically said "fuck consoles" this time round
They weren't involved the last time around either.

And they're releasing their own.

>>34004794
We can't know that. We don't know what MS and Sony are paying. What we do know is that it wasn't enough to interest Nvidia so it can't be too amazing.
>"I'm sure there was a negotiation that went on," Tony Tamasi, Senior VP of content and technology at Nvidia told GameSpot, "and we came to the conclusion that we didn't want to do the business at the price those guys were willing to pay."

The consoles are not a bad thing for AMD, but people think it's far more important tha it is.

>>34004818
Yes they were. Both the PS3 and 360 used Nvidia GPUs

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>>34004818
>And they're releasing their own.
And everybody is laughing at them.

>>34004818

nVidia has sold to consoles dude

>>34004837
360 used AMD graphics.

>>34004833
I'd go as far as to say the direct monetary value is irrelevant. It simply will not be enough to keep them afloat. The real advantages will come from marketing and optimisation indirectly increasing sales, but both of those are too much of a gamble to really predict at this moment.

Wow my eyes are suddenly seeing much more frames per second. Even looking at my normal 60hz screen makes it seem like I'm looking at 20fps. How did my eyes just speed up like that? Do any of you guys have this too sometimes?

>>34004872
go the fuck to sleep. it's probably early signs of a migraine

>>34004867

It's a good thing to keep in mind that AMD probably doesn't have a fixed price point for Sony and Microsoft.

There is such a thing as gen stages for consoles, meaning they can up the prices for later gens of both consoles. I'm sure both will change hardware over the years too, just as earlier PS3 and 360 did.

>>34004837
Only the PS3.

>>34004775
I guess I just have a thing for the sleek sort of box-ish look of it. The concave 360 and convex george foreman grill of last gen just looked strange to me, like the case was so needlessly shaped in that way.

>>34004872

>my eyes are suddenly seeing much more frames per second.
>makes it seem like I'm looking at 20fps

When you are thinking of your life in frames-per-second and hz it's time to take a break from the computer for a few days.

>>34004944
But its true! the frames seem lower.

>>34004086 (OP)
>manditory

>>34004950

If your vision is shuttering you need a long sleep anon!

>>34004950
>>34004894
GO TO SLEEP

I have migraines sometimes and visual changes like that are a sign of being overworked in front of a screen and tired

>>34004867
>The real advantages will come from marketing and optimisation indirectly increasing sales
Their development plan is pretty straight forard from here on out.
Their graphics division will focus on the GCN 2.0 as a base, and concentrate on packing as many of these little devils into future generation video cards over the next 4 years.

Meanwhile their Jaguar based APUs will receive good bang for the buck in general sue to software optimisation from consoles.

>>34004837
The 360 had an AMD GPU in it. Microsoft and NVIDIA got in a legal spat over the first Xbox, so don't ever expect to see an Nvidia GPU in another Microsoft console again.

I'm actually thinking no one actually knows what it does or how

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>>34005011

If consoles/console hybrids end up taking an increasing share of a widening market drinking the PCs milkshake, while the pc and pc gaming market tightens, AMD could end up owning nVidia in 10 years.

>>34004987
>>34004996
B-but I feel fine! Just a little tense in my shoulders.

>>34005054
Oh course, the old PC gaming is dying argument, consoles are the future.

People have been predicting that since the dawn of PC gaming and we are still waiting.

>>34005069

Yes but with tablets, laptops, and Smartphones effectively DOING this now, it could actually happen...

>>34005060
>visual processing of your brain shutting down
>"I feel fine"

yeah, now. how long are you awake now?

sometimes, shutter vision like that can be a sign for a stroke. are you fat and old?

>>34005088
> tablets, laptops, and Smartphones
You mean a market that AMD has no presence in?

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>>34005102

>are you fat and old?

>>34004218

I don't why everyone seems to be bitching about the fact that it won't be backwards compatible with 360 games. I mean sure, it would've been nice but the 360 uses a PowerPC CPU instead of an x86 CPU. The architecture is completely different which is why older games aren't supported.

Also, x86 > PowerPC.

And what's that about display ports? There's not a lot of TV's and monitors available with the ability to use display port. HDMI on the other hand is the standard and HDMI 1.4 supports 4K resolutions.

>>34005104

No, you misunderstand.
Tablets, laptops, and smartphones are SHRINKING the PC market, while the console market INCREASES. Get it now?

I get a feeling the Xbox will perform more reasonably on 720P televisions.

PS4 just has 50% more gpu and is better adjusted for 1080P.

>>34005113

Oh god I can smell the black sock toe cheese through my screen

>>34005102
Well I don't usually sleep well. No I'm tiny and young.