You need to mention the fact that you have read SICP.

Your CV is not pretty enough. Redo in LaTeX.

>>34650690 (OP)

You're overqualified to shit but a lack of job experience is bad.

Go work at Valve.

That looks like a great resémé man, congrats.

Are there any job fairs around your area?

I'm in an European country and my college had one of those. You could walk around the company stands and talk with the people there. I went to two stands i was interested in and got an invite for a sollicitation conversation from both. It was just a casual chat at the fair and I handed them my résumé. One company took pictures of every guy that talked with them and decided ad the end of the day who to call.
Anyways I had two successfull solliciations and got offered a job from both companies.

My advice is to try and keep it casual, just go with the mindset that you're going to talk with the people and find out if they have an interesting job you are interested in. Give them your résumé and you might get called back.

>>34650878
This nigger beat me to it.

>no vim
>didn't read SICP or TAOCP
>has MSc
>didn't get job already
Found all your problems.

>>34650878
>>34651117
FWIW, the best publication I have on that resume was written in Word 2013. (I still used LaTeX for the 60-page thesis though.)

>>34650949
The main problem is that I live in South Dakota, which is in the middle of the American Midwest. There's plenty of retail, customer service and tourism-related jobs available, but absolutely nothing in terms of technology. I don't have any connections with any other companies or areas where things are actually happening, and I'm quickly finding out those connections are essential.

>>34651213
Have you tried searching wherever the fuck your clapping tech companies congregate?

Now you're overqualified to flip burgers.

You have zero work experience and your resume reads like you are 17 and haven't taken college English.
Objective: don't put this, be creative. The resumes that have "objective" bullet points are for fry jobs.

Actually, you might have to start as a fry cook since you didn't work during college and have your parents support you through and IT SHOWS. No one will hire you for what you want.

>>34651355
just want to add that, you need to stop with bullet points all together. New and effective resumes use short paragraphs for each of your previous work experiences.

I work at one of the top start ups in the US and I look at 200 resumes a week. Yours would go straight to the trash.

We hire fresh grads btw, but you need to prove yourself and present a better resume.

>>34651398
No. The only problem is OP didn't use enough BUZZWORDS to please the like of you, i.e most of employers in existence.

>>34651213
>The best publication I have on that resume was written in Word 2013

Then the fact that it isn't obvious that you have published anything from glancing at the resume is a problem then.

I would add a "publications" and "invited talks" (if you have any) section.

Also what this guy >>34651398 said about bullet points, although I would keep the top level headings (black circles) but merge the lower level bullets (empty circles) into proper paragraphs.

Also get rid of weasel words like "non trivial" and replace them with a proper description of what you actually did.

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>>34651585
just noticed "and was well received"... get rid of this shit

>>34650690 (OP)
>video game

into the macpro it goes

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>>34651600
2/2

>GOML

Kind of unrelated, but I'm on page 22 of SICP. Started reading it because /g/ always goes on about it. What exactly is so good about it?

Not being snarky, I genuinely want to know why everyone recommends it.

>>34651627
If you haven't realized it yet then actually just stop. Your neural network doesn't suit SICP.

>>34651600
>Microsoft Office
Into the trash it goes.

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> Calling it Linux instead of GNU/Linux

>>34651600
>>34651622
>serif font
>divifer

bin, get that artsy shit the fuck off my desk

>>34650878
unnecessary but please tell me you always send this as a pdf, not a word document, OP.

>>34650690 (OP)
Too overqualified to work at Geek Squad, not enough job experience for anything else. Sucks to be you, but at least you gave it a good run.

>>34651550
no not at all actually. Buzwords aren't key, representing yourself is. You want just enough information to draw the employer in, but not too much because you want to talk in the interview.

>>34651685
>not a word document

won't even get opened
into the trash

You went into way too much detail about your experience projects, especially since they weren't even jobs.

>>34651600
>>34651622
This guy did it right

>>34651661
>implying Linux always has a GNU userland

>>34651704
He did alright, 2 pages is garbage though.

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>>34651646
Damn it, I always knew everyone was pretending that I'm normal.

>>34651703
>doesn't comply with open standards
>implying I'd work with you faggot tryhards anyway

>>34651719
2 pages is the limit for a resume, provided you have the experience/education to back it up.

Also OP, getting a job today is about who you know, not what you know.

>>34651738
enjoy your macdolands

>>34651746
nope, mire than one = bin

just fucking deal with it

So to summarize, what kinds of CV would go straight to the trash, and what kinds would you employers take a look at?
What exactly are you looking for in these CVs? Proof that the guy has some ``experience''? How do you quantify ``experience'', because ``years of experience'' is without a doubt meaningless bullshit.

>>34651738
pdf bro. it isn't that hard.

>>34651779
You quoted the wrong person bro.

>>34651753
I don't eat junk food.

>>34651774
that its the one from the guy my brother said to hire

everything else gets trashed.

>>34651787
>McDonald's
>junk food
u wot m8

>>34651736
No, I actually meaned you are normal. SICP, the book and the course, was imfamously picky about its audience and students.

>>34651799
B-but I meaned I enjoyed SICP, dude.

>>34651796
You heard me.

>>34651799
Dunno about you, it was a FUN intro to CS course in my university.

>>34651774
lucky for you there is no universal standard for "experience" so quantify it on your own and use that as your draw in.

simple short concise paragraphs
1 page
no bullet points
No one needs to see that you graduated high school in Sep 08"
Don't include information that is useless
Think about your previous jobs, there is probably something you could add about that that sounds a lot better than "was a cashier" that would draw people in and show that you learned stuff that can apply to the job you are applying for.

>>34651799
>normal
I'd rather be retarded

>>34651840
I feel bad for your parents who are going into debt to cover your ass. Get off your high horse loser.

here comes your "witty" response to how you are the exception.

beta blockers

... op why did you post so much personal identifiable information

>>34651826
So in other words, focus on the job you are applying for and what would make you suitable for the job?
Make sense. Thanks for your opinion.

>>34651924
Because nobody gives a shit?

>>34651855
? Normal, referring to the $wag crowd. I'm not full of myself in the slightest.

>>34651944
I-I do

>>34651930
you know this is like common fucking sense?
You should have a separate version of your resume for every single job app

>>34651944
Eh, suit yourself, There's enough /b/tards on this board but generally you have to piss them off somehow

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>>34651966
>You should have a separate version of your resume for every single job app

Linkup.com
Search for programming or whatever
Find anything
Apply

Don't find what you want? Keep trying.

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>>34651600
>Visual Studio
>Microsoft Office

>>34651966
Yes, this is common sense, but for someone who has never been an employer I'm not sure what subset of which version of ``common sense'' I should assume that my employer follows.

>>34651993
You realize that people who are serious do this for each job app right? That is why you dont stand out...

>>34652027
Why would I bother keeping many versions of essentially the same shit, merely salted with buzzwords? I get enough interviews as is already.

>>34652027
I think he was agreeing with you.

>>34652017
Look at the no no resume things that have been posted/talked about in this thread. Realize that each employer probably gets 500+ of these type of resumes each month. Think about if you were in their postion and you got 500 resumes to sift through, all that basically look the same. What would stand out to you? What would make you put it in the look closer stack?
This should really help you get going and make an effective resume.

>>34650690 (OP)
Disclaimer: I'm a brit and our CVs are generally formatted slightly differently, but I do a shedload of recruitment stuff and the principles are always the same.

First impression: MOUNTAIN OF WORDS.

More whitespace, fewer words, better formatting. Seriously. Why am I going to read all that shit? It is OK to have more than one page if you need more than one page to convey everything that is relevant.

Second impression: What are you applying for?

Seriously. You tailor each resume for each job. You read down the person specification and you enter the stuff you've done based on the qualities you want.

Third impression: Drop the "Objective" section.

It makes it look like you're doing baby's first job application and tells the recruiter absolutely nothing about you. Replace it with a personal profile (again, tailored around the person spec) or drop it entirely in favour of a cover letter that covers your qualities (including personal) and aims in prose form.

Fourth impression: Too much detail.

I don't care that a project is "non-trivial". It had better be non fucking trivial otherwise it wouldn't be worth putting on the resume. Tell me about the skills and qualities you developed, what you learned and why I should want that. Similarly for the later bits you're focusing too much on the specific details of the project and less about their applicability to you and your employment. No one gives a fuck you wrote a parser, tell me how that developed you as a person. If I want a parser I'll download a fucking parser.

Fifth impression: What, no work experience?

None at all? Fuck. You're going straight in the bin sunshine.

>>34651611
I was told after the conference my paper was in consideration for one of the top-three awards, in a pool full of papers on materials, signal processing and other advanced topics written by actual Ph.Ds, not just students. He couldn't give me an exact ranking but estimated I was #5 or #6. Not sure how to convey that sort of thing on a resume, but it's worth noting.

>>34651213
Move to California or Northern Virginia.

>>34651685
PDFs don't work with most resume scanning software and are supposedly rejected outright most of the time. Most companies use a website application process which either requires Word OOXML or a raw copy-and-paste of the text contained within your resume.

>>34652108
>You tailor each resume for each job.
Not OP. When I apply by the dozens I have no time or will to salt my CV with the necessary buzzwords. If the company is too fucking high and mighty not to spend a shitty hour of one idiot's time on me, I won't bother with them either.

>>34652044
You must have a good resume then. Personally I don't just change buzzwords, I change a lot and rewrite most of it.

my work flow is as follows:
research company, pull up history, financial reports, ceo history, yada yada.
find out where the company is going, goals, mission etc
research the market, competition etc
Spend some time thinking about good questions to ask, or ways I think the company could be different. I have found that being contrary can be effective in interviews(not too contrary, of course)
Write my resume based on that, keying in strengths that they are looking for in that roll

Send off the pdf and hope. Start to get your mind ready for the interview.

>>34652108
Sixth impression:

Why the fuck did it take you four years to earn an MSc?

>>34652108
this, pretty much.

your CV is tl;dr

use bullet points or some shit.

>>34652148
this is why you don't have a job. for a job where postgraduate education is a bonus candidates are expected to be spending multiple hours tailoring their applications, and should expect the process to take weeks to months.

If you're applying "by the dozen" you're not applying for very skilled jobs, so your experience does not apply.

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>>34651600
>Linux

>>34652145
maybe if you are applying to wallmart, but no company here in silicon valley does that.

Wow. So I'm gonna get some internship and work on my graduation research at the same time. Job market sure is some tough shit.

>>34652145
any employer, particularly in a tech field, that doesnt take pdfs, is not worth working for. all major HR software packages support uploading of and text extraction from PDFs.

>>34651600
>>34651622

This. This is a top quality CV. 10/10 would not immediately put in the bin.

>>34652189
wahhhh it's so hard to spend 3 hours tailoring a resume I better take crap pay and become an intern instead of manning up and getting that job.

>>34652172
I have no idea how that works in your land o' tea and crumpets, no one here tailors their CVs (read: salts with buzzwords while adding nothing of value or substance) to a particular job.

>If you're applying "by the dozen" you're not applying for very skilled jobs, so your experience does not apply.
I apply to programming jobs, so "I can code, here's proof" should be good enough for every recruiter with IQ > 50.

>>34652192
Going through a CV takes up to a minute. If their HR is so fucking lazy they can fuck right off.

>>34652213
No, I mean I have no intention to take any job while I'm working on my graduation research, but now looks like I should reflect real hard on this intention.

>>34652222
everyone here tailors their resumes you idiot. I have worked in 5+ top start ups here in Silicon Valley and I can tell you that you need to tailor your resume.

Do not listen to this idiot for the love of fuck.

>>34650820
>You need to mention the fact that you have read SICP.
aaaannnd into the trash it goes...

>>34652222
No one tailors their CVs, are you fucking kidding?

>>34652222
peppering with buzzwords?

dude...wow. We are talking about completely rewriting 80% of your resume for each job, that is fucking necessary.

I think you think we are talking about ~$30k/yr jobs, you must be mistaken. ~$50k/yr is pretty norm for a beginning tech job.

>>34652222
>I have no idea how that works in your land o' tea and crumpets, no one here tailors their CVs (read: salts with buzzwords while adding nothing of value or substance) to a particular job.

see: this is why you don't have a job

i'm not interested in getting into a /g/-off with you, your chat about "salting with buzzwords" is evidence enough you have no clue what you're talking about.

this is just how it is. you should match your application to the job description. if you can't be bothered to do that simple task, you are never going to find worthwhile employment.

>>34652222
>Going through a CV takes up to a minute.

lol, no. decided whether to immediately bin a CV takes up to a minute. going through in detail for a technical role is likely to be quite a bit of work - i need to check everything is coherent (e.g. dates match up), i need to check everything makes sense (e.g. googling your technical descriptions to make sure they're not batshit - the recruiter is not usually technically literate in exactly the same areas) and I then need to score the qualities described in your application against the requirements we have set for the job.

that last bit? that's why you tailor your application. google for "job application score matrix" to see what the work that is done with a CV looks like.

>>34652259
Unlike you, I would like to interview any guy who claims he has read SICP, then ask him to do some exercise from my favorite chapter 4 of the book.

>>34652270
Here. No one HERE, as in where I live, does that.

>>34652278
>We are talking about completely rewriting 80% of your resume for each job, that is fucking necessary.
Let's take me as an example. I'm a programmer. How the everliving FUCK should I rewrite my CV for Generic C++ Job #92834?

>>34651600
>MC
MY NIGGA

>>34652332
By focusing on your C++ skills and achievements instead of other languages.

>>34652332
it really depends on the job, but there has been several people who have spelled out effective ways of tailoring a CV towards the job app.

How do you know no one does that? I can tell you in my 600+ person company I work for every single person wrote a tailored resume in order to get the job. Do you know 600 WORKING people who make over $50k a year salary that didn't tailor their CVs?

>>34652332
There's no such thing as Generic C++ Job #92834. Every company has its speciality, every company has its own flavour, every job has its own requirements and every person has a different way of meeting those requirements.

Serious question: Do you have a job? What is it?

>>34652387
Dwell in my mom's basement and shitpost on /g/.

>>34652374
Everything I read so far was BUZZWORD BUZZWORD BUZZWORD GENERIC UNSUBSTANTIATED BULLSHIT.

>>34652374
Have you considered we live in different countries and shit works differently? It seems you refuse to consider this option.

>>34652387
>Every company has its speciality, every company has its own flavour
Irrelevant fluff. It's still programming.

>every job has its own requirements
"Must be able to write code in C++". That's it. Everything else is irrelevant fluff.

>and every person has a different way of meeting those requirements.
Bullshit. You either know your shit when you get in, or you learn sanic fast.

>Do you have a job? What is it?
I'm a programmer. I write code.

>>34650690 (OP)


It's waaaaay too wordy. Cut out as much as you can. It should be simple, easy to read at a glance, bullet points.

Recruiters go through 5 to 1000 resumes a day. They don't want to be bogged down with the details. Just put enough to get across what you've done, and save the details for the interview.

>>34652505
Yeah, if your employer had only like 4 monkeys applying for that position.

>>34652539
You're gonna have to be more specific

>>34652505
I think you are mistaking me for the UK guy, who also has valid points.

I live in Silicon Valley, this is where companies start and are made. I think I am giving good advise here.

You should feel awful that you are still replying. AWFUL.

/g/ at it's finest....

>>34652505
>Have you considered we live in different countries and shit works differently? It seems you refuse to consider this option.

m8 i work for a global multinational and we recruit with the same process across the world. this isn't my first rodeo - i know how recruitment works and it isn't any different just because you're a canadian or some shite like that. business is business.

>Irrelevant fluff. It's still programming.

There's no such thing as "programming". Writing code is 10% of a "programmer"'s job. This tells me you don't know what you're talking about.

>"Must be able to write code in C++". That's it. Everything else is irrelevant fluff.

Write code to do what? Can you use gtk? Qt? Are you a windows developer? Are you a system software specialist? Are you comfortable with client contact? Do you have any experience managing a team? Can you implement a computer vision algorithm? Can you work to tight deadlines under pressure? Are you comfortably slinging petabytes of data around our warehouse? Are you a ninja when it comes to requirements gathering? How about HCI? Or do you prefer fine-tuning the core logic of a distributed computing algorithm to gain that extra half a percentage performance point?

You can't do all of these things. A first year undergraduate can "write code in C++". A trained fucking monkey can "write code in C++". I don't want a trained monkey and I want a first year undergraduate even less. Like i said. Writing code is 10% of a "programmer"'s job.

>Bullshit. You either know your shit when you get in, or you learn sanic fast.
Everyone learns fast. They do that or they get sacked. I'd prefer someone who knows more to start with

>I'm /g/-dwelling autist and I live in my mother's basement

fixed that for you.

>>34652628
>>34652505
holy shit it's ENTERPRISE/Real World vs COWBOY CODER/Hacker

You are now aware that the software engineering labor supply is so glutted that you will never get hired without nepotism.

>>34652658
I wonder who actually makes money. derp.

You would think /g/ would be more interested in this great advice these guys are giving, a programming job is the /g/ dream last I checked.

>>34650690 (OP)
>no experience
penn.jpg

I have learned precisely nothing from this thread.

>>34652688
>I wonder who actually makes money

One makes a steady ~60-150k/year with benefits, the other might scrounge for scraps or make a 100,000,000$ idea

>>34652688
>a programming job is the /g/ dream last I checked.

Programming for a job is god awful.

>>34652665
Actually there's a severe shortage of skilled software engineers. The key word is "skilled". Across the last 15 years there have been far, far too many sub-par graduates churned out from sub-par universities with skill bases both too narrow and too shallow. Too focused on ticking boxes rather than developing understanding and transferrable skills.

Additionally there's been a big growth in demand, particularly in the financial sector, for high quality software engineers. Why become a games developer on $60k when a bank is going to pay you $120k to do HFT or quant, with real career progression options?

part of it is expectations too high/pay too low but there is a real shortage. if you're good, genuinely good, you will walk onto a job.

Did your school not help you developing your resume and connect you with affiliated companies? Also those career fairs, man. It's a decent way to get through the door without seeming like a complete stranger.
Too few people take advantage of the good career search resources made available by their schools.

>>34652740
Since when do software engineers do quantitative finance? I thought that was the realm of Math/Physics/etc PhDs

>>34652628
>my company is the only possible recruitment standard ever
This is what you sound like.

>Writing code is 10% of a "programmer"'s job.
I won't work for a company like this. Overbloated ENTERPRISE bullshit is not my forte.

>can you do this wall of text
I can do everything. Gimme the dosh and I'll show you.

>>34652733
>Programming for a job is god awful.

Confirming programming for a job is god awful. That's why it's offshored to india where trained monkeys do it for peanuts.

However luckily, as has been said, actually writing code is barely 10% of any software engineer's job. Writing code is the easy bit - designing the software to meet requirements and then actually getting it there on time and to budget? that's the hard bit and that's what you get paid for.

remember it's software _engineering_. It's an engineering discipline.

This thread immediately makes me feel awful about my resume and my job prospects, jeez. HA HA TIME FOR RETAIL

>>34652628
D... Dominic?

>>34652740
Also
>Software engineers who only know CS

>>34652773
>remember it's software _engineering_. It's an engineering discipline.
No, it's literally and legally, not Engineering.

>>34652773
>software engineer
>programmer
Different things son. The software engineer reads code complete. The programmer reads TAOCP.

>>34652761
>Since when do software engineers do quantitative finance?

Since always. They're near-ideal candidates. They don't have as rigorous a maths background as maths or physics grads, but the software they produce is far better, and they're better at actually producing working products. The maths is usually job-specific and taught once you start work, so it's just as important to pick guys who are technical wizards with a good nose for business needs.

I graduated with my MEng from Manchester about 5 years ago now, and fully 1/3 of my classmates were hoovered up by BarCap, Citigroup et al to work on HFT or Quant. A further 1/3, like me, ended up in technical services, and the rest were scattered between software engineering and further academic work.

>>34650690 (OP)
/r/cscareerquestions

>>34652740
How does one become "genuinely good" when there are no entry-level jobs?

>>34652845
You're born with it, or you're not.

>>34652845
>How does one become "genuinely good" when there are no entry-level jobs?

The majority of open source code is written so the author has something to put on a resume.

>>34652801
The problem is the reverse. American grads are coming out of their schools having spent barely 20% of their time doing their actual major. They're competing with asian and euro grads who've spent three or four years doing nothing but pure CS 9-5, monday to friday. This gives them a much broader base and greater scope for specialisation, particularly in terms of delivering large projects.

The broader context of the world should be taught in the context of your major, not in addition to it as "general educational requirements".

>>34652688
>great advice these guys are giving
So far I've heard
- no internship, no connections, no possibility of any job, go flip burgers
- lose the 'objective'
- 'tailor resumes' to either unbelievably vague or incredibly specific employment listings somehow
- HURR DURR LATEX SICP WOOD SCREWS

>>34652868
The OP has a bunch of open-source hobby projects on the side and look where that got him

Someone post the GUUUUURL GAYMUUUUR resume/cv. Always a laugh.

>>34652802
It's literally engineering. It's not legally engineering but then neither is mechanical engineering. Only certain engineering disciplines are legally protected and they're usually ones concerned with building big shit that might fall down.

I'm a member of the IEEE and IET and hold an MEng - I'm an engineer. I apply technical knowledge to develop practical products.

>>34652928
Sure, but you can't become a professional engineer as a software engineer, right?

Although i'm surprised ME can't.

>>34652845
Develop those skills on your own time. There are plenty of entry level jobs. Do QA shit or contribute to an open source project or develop personal projects or go to university.

What matters is matching up the skills you develop through those actions to the job I want employ someone to do.

>>34652801
No. Your avarage CS department now teaches SE instead of real CS with the hope that they would produce a bunch of avarage programmers who can do their mindless jobs.
Otherwise the situation would be like some decades ago, when only 2 out of 10 people had the mindset and brain to actually become a programmer, because before that they had to go through CS.

>>34652820
>Different things son

Only on /g/. Someone who can implement an algorithm but can't read a UML chart or develop use cases or keep to deadlines is of no use to anyone.

>>34652755
>Did your school not help you developing your resume
I had this resume reviewed by the local career center before using it in local job fairs. It was enough to score an interview with Microsoft but I was far too nervous to get through it.

>and connect you with affiliated companies
There aren't too many of those around the Midwest and I've already applied to most of the ones desperate enough to look for people here.

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>>34652913
found it.
not saying anyone's is like this, but it will definitely make you feel better
sad truth is we know these fucks always find somewhere that will take them for god knows what reason

>>34652973
Both predate your use cases diagram and UML.

>>34652960
Like I said. Surprisingly few "engineering" fields are protected by law. I'm a Chartered Engineer (UK equivalent of Professional Engineer) through my MEng and the IET (and a load of further exams), but that has no legal meaning and is mostly there as candy to show off to clients - I work in outsourcing.

>>34652988
And Aerospace Engineering predates the jet engine but I'd be bloody worried if that bloke claiming to be an aerospace engineer didn't know what that big round thing hanging off the side of that 747 was.

>>34653021
Worst analogy of the galactic year.

>>34652884
That has to be an exaggeration. I mean just a CS degree is no longer as versatile as it used to be. In grad school CS majors are for example competing with math majors for positions. CS majors should have experience applying their knowledge to nonacademic applications. A minor as an undergrad in something nonCS but where CS is applied is valuable. I'm of the opinion that that true proficieny comes through self-training and immersion similar to that in grad school. The codemonkeys are the people who didn't want to deal with the math of CS and focused on java enterprise.

>>34652982
>implying she isn't making $60,000 a year as a developer evangelist

>>34653032
One of the big reasons it took me so damn long to graduate is I tried mixing in some chemistry courses for some half-assed double major. It really didn't get far.

>>34652973
>Someone who can implement an algorithm but can't read a UML chart or develop use cases or keep to deadlines is of no use to anyone.
You're a fucking moron. UML and all that stupid unnecessary shit will die eventually, but algorithms are eternal.

>>34653062
Could you BE any more of a codemonkey?

>>34653021
Nah, UML is nowhere near the circuit diagram of software engineering. They can only vaguely describe systems developed in object-orientated fashion as popularized by shits like Java and C++. They can't, for example, describe the stratified systems designed as layers of languages that Sussman and Abelson usually talk about.

>>34653032
You should have versatility, yes, but it should be taught in context rather than secondarily as an additional requirement. For example my 2nd year software engineering project revolved around developing medical sample tracking systems for a hospital. This covers a range of issues including privacy, usability for non-technical users, reliability, extensibility. The technical details are bottom of the list. Likewise my 3rd year project revolved around developing a real-time error classification system for a production line.

There are merits to the general education route, but when you are literally spending only 10 or so hours a week doing CS, you end up with gaps in your essential skills and broader understanding of the field you're actually supposed to be focusing on.


As far as grad school is concerned, that's a different situation entirely to getting a Real Job. What I've been saying here doesn't necessarily carry over well.

>>34653068
You're the codemonkey in this situation. Someone of us can actually sit down, outline basic functionality, and write decent code

>>34653062
Unemployable. If you can't read a UML then you're not getting hired.

Should I hire a resume writer / job coach who knows more about this than I do?

>>34653095
``Reading UML'' is hard now. More news at 11.

I don't know and don't care about cluttered shits one could possibly come up with using UML, but most of times I only see people using a very small subset of it, and try to be as simple as possible.

>>34653085
> For example my 2nd year software engineering project revolved around developing medical sample tracking systems for a hospital. This covers a range of issues including privacy, usability for non-technical users, reliability, extensibility. The technical details are bottom of the list. Likewise my 3rd year project revolved around developing a real-time error classification system for a production line.
I failed to see any computer science here. My notion of computer science involving proofs with some occasional programming.

>>34653250
>I failed to see any computer science here
The "sciencey" bits of the samples project were mainly concerned with DB design + normalisation - it was a software engineering project primarily, so the focus was gathering requirements, developing them into a model, designing a system to match and producing use cases.

The real-time system was nails. It involved obtaining data on solid parts from a variety of sources e.g. x-ray, visual, electrical, crunching the numbers and not only detecting any errors, but attempting to classify them too. This involved designing + implementing a machine vision algorithm for the visual + x-ray component, and combining that with the features obtained from electrical/radiological and whatever else was there into a complete vector and running a bayesian analysis.

All of that had to be done in real time on an embedded system at a rate of tens of parts per second, in a way that allowed the system to be extensible.

There was also lots of computer science - I did a Proper Degree.

>>34651213
Move to North Dakota.

>>34651600
>left U of M for GWU
why why why

>>34653426
I grew up in Jamestown. The oil boom brought a bunch of new engineering-related industry in and around Minot, but again, almost none of that is technical or software related.

Microsoft has an office in Fargo and I have a distant relative there who learned I managed to get an on-site interview in Redmond on my own and is pulling for me, but that ship seems to have sailed.

>no gpa
mah nigga. I didn't put gpa either.

>2.6
$55,000 yr.

>>34653516
What was you GPA anyway?

>>34653503
Doesn't Minot have problems with floods?

>>34653516
About 2.8 overall undergrad, 3.2 major undergrad, 3.5 grad.

>>34653532
Minot has all sorts of problems. I'd very much like to leave the Midwest anyway. I don't want to get pigeonholed into an area of the country where the tech industry isn't active because then I'd just have the same lack-of-connections-and-zero-relevant-experience problems five or ten years down the line.

>>34653526
2.6 with a B.S. in Computer Science

>mfw Functional Programming and my effort at Mechanical Engineering were what did it.

>>34653564
>>34653569
It will depend on my last semester but I'm pretty sure I'll get over 3.2 major, do you guys think it's enough to give no further fuck about my GPA and start to focus on something else?

>>34652192
>work experience at a computer shop
>boss doesn't give a shit about customers
>just had this guy come in yesterday
>said he's charge $50 to fix it
>couldn't fix it
>guy came back in today
>boss said it would be easier to format the hard drive
>charges $125 for it
>voided the warranty by opening the laptop and taking the hard drive out

I just sit here with my thumb up my butt doing TAFE work, realistically he only teaches me things when I ask him anyway. Thinking of asking around for the other computer shop.

does anyone have a good latex resume template?

>>34653617
I didn't mind my degree. However the concentration by the faculty on functional programming and shit fuck subjects like finite state automaton and infinite typewriters didn't do me any good.

I'd keep at it, finish it and join one of the last growing sectors of the economy

>>34653635
or word

>>34653635
http://www.latextemplates.com/

>>34651924
His name is Lucas Jacobs lel

>>34653858
Jew as fuck