>>35466753 (OP)

i hate to refer you to reddit but they have a great resource on ecigs.

http://www.reddit.com/r/electroniccigarette

paying to kill yourself
paying to kill yourself in style
knowing that you are a fag because you have to consider a technology that masks your addiction

>>35466884

we're all going to die.

Have you ever had nicotine before? It's very relaxing and nice.

I don't smoke or vape or anything, i just enjoy a cigarette every once and a while when i've had a bit to drink. stop being judgemental.

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>>35466753 (OP)
>What is the least proprietary e-cig format that is lower in cost?
510 or eGo

>>35466884
>vaping
>killing yourself

pick one

>they think nicotine has been cleared as non-carcinogenic

I've smoked those one time uses and I've loved it. What do I need to get? I have never used this shit and thus have no taste, so just tell me what to get because I have no preference.

>>35466992
>he thinks the atmosphere has been cleared as non-carcinogenic

>>35466908
>using YOLO mentality to justify your shitty lifestyle choices

rip OP. you died a faggot

my question - what parts make up an ecig?

I have a few blus but I want a real one like what you guys got

>>35466884
OP here
>>35466884
Driving a car is paying to kill yourself for everyone who dies in a car accident, or the climate effects over the next few decade. Eating cheese is paying to kill yourself over years of usage which is bad for your heart. My life really isn't that great for me to deny myself simple pleasures like having a nice smoke.

>masking my addiction
I pretty much admitted my addiction was there, and irrelevant altogether. Carcinogens are my main problem.

>>35466944
I'll check it out. thanks.

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>>35467172
what brand??

GIVE ME GOOD BRANDS

I WANT THE BEST, WHAT DO I PICK

>>35467273
VAMU VV, Zmax Mini with a Vision Victory and Kanger Protank. Liquid is "Ectoplasm"

>>35467207
>YOLO
nope, I am directly addressing that tobacco is bad for my health and revising my nicotine habit in a way that better suits my ailments. I was at risk of chronic bronchitis from carcinogens, so I'm switching to vapor.

It's like a fat guy switching to light beer, he still gets to enjoy a nicely brewed ale without further affecting medical conditions he's inclined to experience.

Sure you could quit drinking altogether because something is bad for you, but where do you draw the line? Women are bad for my mental health, my girlfriend drives me up the fucking wall sometimes, should I leave her because of minor health defects I may experience 50 years from now because of that time she annoyed me?

>>35467312
And you need an ego/510 adaptor to put the Victory on a VV mod but not for the Protank.

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Shut up and smoke Camel Crush.

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>>35467364
>crush
>not turkish royals
>not kamel reds full flavor
>not even filters
inexcusable unless you have a vagina.

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>>35467364
2weak4me

>>35467409
27's aren't that bad. I just buy crush most of the time to be friendly, some people like menthol and some don't.

>>35467345
you're basically 1 step away from shooting nicotine into your arm. which when the government experimented with it, people LOVED it.

>>35467459
>People try to bum a cigarette off you
>Your free cigarettes aren't the kind they like
Well isn't that a tragedy?

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>>35467364
>mentolated cigs

Are you a teen girl?
Or are you a faggot? As in full blown homosexual?

>Traditional filterless from my country, used by witch doctors to cure headaches

>>35467494
Okay, letme explain more. I go out to clubs and people who are fucked up are looking for certain types and are willing to give drugs for that one cigarette.

>>35467489
That's not very convenient over inhalants. But you don't seem like the type who has much first-hand experience so I won't hold that stupid proposition against you. You seem a bit uptight man, go have a smoke.

>>35466908
Are you that stupid that you believe nicotine relaxes you? It's actually a withdrawal response that puts your body into stress mode that the cigarette takes away. It's called negative reinforcement, and only your dumb ass was stupid enough to get addicted in the first place.
>>35467264
Shut the fuck up. You're retarded for even using that as an excuse. Driving a car and using drugs are fundamentally different things that cannot be compared.
>>35467345
Do you really believe what you're posting? Kill yourself. You're making bullshit up and using stupid fuck analogies. A fat guy switching to light beer is still a fat fuck.

Vaping Weed > Vaping Tobacco/Nicotine Products
I'd rather have some decent sativa dominant bud, a lot more uplifting than a nicotine buzz.

>>35466884
>HE THINKS NICOTINE ITSELF IS BAD FOR YOU
poor, poor pleb. you probably consume caffeine too

>>35467536
>implying
People ain't dumb, they just buy a fucking cigarette at 3 dolars from the barman, or simply buy a pack

Also, why are you so much of an asshole to ripoff people?
Also, why do you smoke them daily if you only buy them for giving them out in clubs?

>>35467560
TL;DR, stop liking what I don't like

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This is superior killing by poisoning technology.

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>>35467587
People who are on drugs ARE that dumb.

1) I don't rip them off, they want something and are willing to pay.
2) I don't only buy them to hand out, I do enjoy them somewhat.

>>35467520
You decide! Also I never crush them soo.

>>35467619

Yeah, but it stains the walls blue due to the cyanide.

>>35467583
not him, but it is addicting

>>35467560
>implying
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#Psychoactive_effects

Your father died of cancer/edema due to smoking, right?

>>35467583
>HE THINKS NICOTINE ITSELF IS BAD FOR YOU
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11830264
yep. it is.

>>35467560
I don't think you're as smart as you may believe anon.

>>35467592
>Stop liking what I don't like
Stop posting bullshit to justify your retarded actions. OP could have just said, I'm in the market for an e-cig, recommend me one. Op went full faggot and talked like he knew what he was talking about.

>>35467652
No, people who are in drugs ain't like that, unless they're dumb teens or some shit

Why don't you smoke something decent instead of the shitty tobacco they use in all flavored cigarettes? They use the shitiest tobacco they have and the shitty flavor gets masked by the menthol/whateverthefuckisinit

>Pipe tobacco master race

>>35467685
I bet you don't even know what that means.

>>35467655
That's a valid point. Is strychnine fine?

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>>35467436
>>35467312
>>35467205
>>35467172
>>35466944
what is the best e-cig liquid?

>>35467571
I do both man.

Got some pre 98 bubba this week.

>>35467658
Yep.
>>35467700
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Nicotine is a stimulant, NOT a tranquilizer.

>>35467685
> The mechanisms by which smoking contributes to stroke are poorly understood and the role of nicotine in this process is controversial.
>and the role of nicotine in this process is controversial

You didn't even read the fucking abstract, why are you so dumb?

>>35467721
I vape Totally Wicked stuff, it's pretty good

>>35467656
you'd be surprised how much it isn't actually. most people are addicted to the additives in cigs.
i've never smoked cigs habitually and since picking up e-cigs I've never had a craving. about as addictive as anything you enjoy

>>35467746
>However, recent studies indicate that nicotine might also interact with intracellular signaling pathways that are independent of acetylcholine receptors. In light of these recent developments, the impact of nicotine on cerebrovascular pathology should not be dismissed.

>>35467802
>might

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The only people who say cigarettes aren't relaxing are the people who have never tried a cigarette, and went into it open-mindedly.

>>35467769
vaping 12mg too, i might add

>>35467829
I think it really depends on the enviroment and the mood of whoever is using it
And much more important the dosage

I had a few friends that if they smoked more than 5 cigs in less than a hour they would get sick

>>35467736
Is there any reason in specific you think eating cheese or driving cars are any less dangerous than smoking cigarettes?

Every time you get behind a wheel of a car you are risking your life. You have control over that but you do it anyway because you're addicted to the convenience of driving. You know I'm correct because you pay insurance, you've seen the risks - you take them anyway.

There are items of food you eat that aren't the finest nutritional supplements to enter your body, but you eat them anyway. Why? Because you like eating those things and the health risks are insignificant compared to the pleasure the food brings to your senses.

So why shouldn't I take risks doing things I like doing?

>>35467851

I tried my first cigarette with my girlfriend.

I felt so connected to her and the buzz just washed over me as I rested my head on her shoulder and said, "so, this is why people smoke." And she was like "yep." And I sat with her in total bliss for 10 minutes.

Heavenly. I usually have a cig or two a day now, mostly been using my vape though. Pina colada is a fucking great flavor.

>smoking
>being that edgy

>>35467851
Chainsmoking 5 cigarettes in an hour isnt a good idea unless you're drinking or you split it off with your s/o.

>>35467829
Nicotine is a stimulant in the way most use it. The relaxation you are feeling is likely a result of negative reinforcement from your addiction.

Nicotine does have relaxant effects, just not the kind smokers report having.
Ex.
>my headaches go away
>my muscles feel less tense
>it "calms my nerves"

By itself, I will admit, nicotine is strong enough to get you addicted in the same period of time it takes to get addicted to a more powerful drug, like meth. However, along with the antidepressants and other additives, the effects are amplified, getting you addicted in a manner much more persisting than the more illegal drugs.

It is very likely that the manner which you will feel relaxed after smoking is either negative reinforcement OR because of the deep breathing which slows your heart rate, decreasing your stress reactivity.

>>35467877
You don't get addicted to driving a car. You're using addicted in the wrong sense. Eating unhealthy food and using controlled substances are fundamentally different, and the pleasures that these foods bring me are the same ones keeping me alive.

Take the risk, don't say things that aren't true. Don't relate two unrelated activities to justify your behavior, and don't try to use words like "addicted" to describe convenience.

I don't care about people who use drugs given that they don't try to pressure me into that shit and they don't talk about how safe their drug is, denouncing the "hardcore" drug users claiming they're better than them, or preach as if they were educated about their drug.

>>35468027
comparing nicotine to meth is a stretch lol. I didn't even like smoking when I first tried it, I was a social smoker really. It wasn't until like 3 months later that I decided to smoke my first cigarette on my own.

Speed is different, the first time you experience it, it's a euphoria you never want to leave.

Smoking is something that becomes a routine, and thats the addictive part. It gives you something to do with your hands, when you wake up in the morning, when you're drinking, or it's that process you repeat whenever you're stressed that calms you down. The ways people deal with stress are different, even if it's not nicotine doing it chemically, it's the rhythm of smoking that calms you.

>>35468145
>they're different
you keep saying that, but not explaining it despite the numerous detailed explanations I've given you.

This post confirms your bias towards smoking is attributed to your insecurities that others smoking may subject you to smoking due to some paranoid fear of being out of control of your decisions. See a psychiatrist immediately.

>>35467721
Indigo Vapor, if you like tobacco styles

>>35466960
What makes you think vaping is safe?

There's been no conclusive studies on whether vaping is safe. People have been doing it for only 5 years, so long term damage is still yet to be known.

There's so many materials being used to make e-cigs, and NONE of these materials have been tested to see if they're toxic for use in a consumable device.

Camphor wire was never intended to be used for consumables. Glue and plastic is used in juice tanks. No one knows what the fuck are in the e-juices they're sucking into their lungs. Oh and avoid any almond or butter juices, as there may have been a chemical used that is known to cause popcorn lung.

Fuck everything about e-cigs until standards are regulated, and materials are deemed safe for use.

>>35468819
>Camphor
They don't use camphor wire you fucking retard, the vast majority of e-cigs use amorphous silica which HAS had long term studies done on it. It's not harmful even at levels much greater than is possible with a lifetime of using e-cigs.
Propylene glycol is used everywhere, and is in breathing treatments.

>>35466753 (OP)
>rrelevant my tiny nicotine crazes were.
i did heroin on for multiple periods of time, the longest being about 3-4 months every day when i finnaly started shooting it.

Nicotine crazes can absolutely be almost just as bad as heroin cravings. Nicotine cravings just subside much faster and dont make you sick or that fucking feeling i got when i stopped.

I have never done meth, and it is more addictive than heroin forsure(from what i have seen in friends), but hopefully i help put addiction in perspective a little bit.

whenever i see people using an e-cig i think they look like pretty ridiculous.

>>35468819
>no one knows what the fuck is in the juices
Yes we do
And you can make your for pennies on the dollar, using pharmaceutical grade nicotine/glycol premixed and add whatever flavorings if you don't trust vendors. There's tons of recipes.
You don't know what you're talking about.

>>35468922
This
Is there an e-cig that doesn't look like a star trek flute?

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not horrible

>>35468945
why go through all this trouble to satisfy a chemical dependence. wouldn't your time be better spent elsewhere?

>>35468961
nothing about inhaling the contents of something being burned sounds horrible, you're right.

>>35468886
>amorphous silica
Thats used in the wick, you dipshit, which also is not known as safe for long term lung inhalation. The camphor wire is used to build heating coils to heat fucking wick, which produces the vapor.

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>>35468955
That's refillable and not shit? eRoll/eMini
>>35468967
I don't do it, but my friend does DIY e-liquid. It doesn't take any time at all for the savings once you find something you like. I like a specific flavor from a vendor, though, and their liquid is already cheap as fuck compared to gourmet liquids.

>>35468997
>amorphous silica not safe for inhalation
>DURR I CAN'T GOOGLE
There's a difference between crystalline and amorphous, idiot
And most use kanthal, the risky wire is nichrome

i love the smooth flavor of newports

is there an e-cig that fits the bill

i need my daily dose of nigg cig

>>35469050
It's all risky, and you dipshits that claim it's safe, have nothing to cite and are just talking out your ass.

OK, so, lets say the burning element is safe. What about the juice tanks?

>e-juices are known to have corrosives
>juice tanks made of glass, probably from china, which most like had lead used in the process
>plastic is a known carcinogen, so would you put a lung inhaled corrosive e-juice in it?
>glues used in tanks, soaked in corrosives

I truly hope e-cigs turn out to be safe. In fact, I hope they prove to have medicinal benefits. Though, you're taking a huge gamble on a device thats completely unregulated, and holds unknown health affects.

>>35469126
you have to remember, these are the same retards who started smoking in the first place - they lack good judgement

>>35469126
>e-juices are known to have corrosives
e-juices only have corrosives depending on what flavors you use, and vendors clearly state to use such flavors in glass tanks
>juice tanks made of glass, probably from china, which most like had lead used in the process
>LEAD USED IN THE PROCESS
Now you're just scaremongering, but no even china has standards they conform to.
>plastic is a known carcinogen, so would you put a lung inhaled corrosive e-juice in it?
Again, repeating your stupid claim from earlier
>glues used in tanks, soaked in corrosives
Glue isn't in the tank, idiot. There's usually rubber spacers, I've never seen glue even in the cheapest shit.
>>35469161
All of his claims are very misleading or false
He's another fucking moron who thinks the regulation fairy is going to save everything, when in fact it's just another ploy for pharmaceutical companies to stomp out any competition for their medication that drives people to suicide and NRT which doesn't actually work.

>>35469161
Fuck you, scumbag. No ones perfect.

I'm not criticizing them for trying to move from a lethal vice to a healthier alternative. I'm just stating that no one should consider e-cigs safe, without any conclusive long term studies.

>>35469198
Oh, and not to mention even if BIG BAD CHINA was somehow using lead in the process of making glass tanks, there's many other vendors you can get glass tanks from
http://www.ibtanked.com/
http://phiniac.com/
Not to mention all the stainless steel alternatives out there, here's one for the kanger protank:
http://www.cigtechs.com/Tatroe-Tank-32ML-Smooth_p_407.html

And pretty much every RDA/RBA uses SS

Decent wal-mart 510 batteries. I just keep a few of them charged up in a mint tin with some boge cartomizers.

I bought a jug of unflavored 80/20PG 12mg, sometimes I'll add a few drops of mint or clove oil. Also have some butterscotch flavoring that is pretty decent. Thinking about spending $50 at the vapor chef tomorrow though...

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>>35469241
thanks captcha

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Wasn't this an e-cig thread? Just rebuilt a head for my protank and it turned out great. Would like to use mesh sometime
Got an igo-l in the mail too, looking forward to setting it up nicely

>>35469247
such an ironic brand name

>>35469247
Holy shit that's a giant lighter.

Is it novelty?

>Smoking
>Technology
Get lost loser.

smoking is for fags such as OP.

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>>35469484
Electronic cigarettes are technology
Want to talk about amp limits, resistance, wattage and PWM with me?

Dear smokers:

Kill urselves.

Sincerely,
Normalfags

>>35469541
KEK they already are

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>>35469541
>>35469617
It's not smoking though
>normalfags
>>>/out/

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>>35469341
It was until straight edge faggots had to interject

>>35469630
its not good for you no matter how you look at it

just be cause its "not as bad" doesnt mean it isnt shit

Learn how to not need your nicotine-crutch in life to keep from being a nuisance to your friends and family.
Your sister in law is hardly different than you. You're justdoing something less harmful and legal.

>>35469690
Oh? do point me to that thing called evidence, there've been quite a few greek studies that it doesn't produce any observable harm to the cells they tested (heart cells) versus the observable harm from cigarette smoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=clGmu7jeSuY

>>35469703
Not op, but I went a full week without my 'nicotine crutch' and ordered some more liquid when the vendor finally got flavoring back in stock
I'll be enjoying it my habit, and don't feel the strong cravings like I did before
>comparing nicotine and meth
lel straight edge 4 lyfe

>>35469733
>greeks
>Capable of anything since the 1st century BC

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>smoker
>get a variable volt unit with a rebuildable atomizer
>stop smoking, seamless transition
>4 months later

Well that was easy.

>>35469760
Thats fine, but it was only directed twoards him because he claims he's not a nice person without it.
I choose masturbation over nicotine personally.

>>35469733
Sure. i can compare dogshit to cowshit. dog shit is much more unhealthy, as cowshit is nearly edible for humans, while dogshit is not.

heres this also, going along with the point i was making and you ignored.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-power-rest/201304/vaporized-what-do-electronic-cigarettes

>Is Nicotine Safe?

No way. It resets the entire autonomic nervous system, which controls heart rate, breathing, many basics of life. Blood pressure goes up. Epinephrine levels go up. Through various mechanisms atherosclerosis increases.

>Nicotine can be highly addictive. Intravenous nicotine can be preferred to intravenous heroin, for example.

Also, your vaporizers are extraordinarily unregulated. Thats really worse than nicotine, because you dont know what else you are vaping, either in the substance, or from the vaporizer itself.

Reminder: Sugar is more addictive than cocaine
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0000698
THINK OF THE CHILDREN, THAT'S HORRIBLE

>>35469851
>Know what's in the e-liquid
>Kanthal wire, stainless mesh to vape it
o ok ps y u so mad that u have to keep responding
y dont u just leave the thread

>highly addictive
Yeah, there's that myth again
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16177026
Still waiting for you to point to the evidence
Sugar is unhealthy too, and very addictive >>35469877
Caffeine also has cardiovascular effects

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>>35469733
Dude lucky you i got more "evidence"

http://betobaccofree.hhs.gov/about-tobacco/Electronic-Cigarettes/index.html
>E-Cigarettes may contain ingredients that are known to be toxic to humans. Because clinical studies about the safety of e-cigarettes have not been submitted to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), you have no way of knowing:

> If they are safe
> Which chemicals they contain
> How much nicotine you are inhaling

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-08-18/electronic-cigarettes-smokeless-vaping-risks/57121894/1
>The latest, a small Greek study presented earlier this month, says the small battery-operated devices may damage the lungs, but research unveiled in August says they don't harm the heart.
Theres that greek study you mentioned. But hey the respiratory system isnt THAT important right?
>The FDA, after finding trace amounts of toxic and carcinogenic ingredients in several samples, sought to regulate e-cigarettes as drug-delivery devices. A federal judge ruled in 2010 that it lacked such authority, so the FDA is moving to regulate them as tobacco products.

Holy shit they FOUND shit that is bad for you, that companies said werent there.
>Another peer-reviewed study found e-cigarettes may emit aerosols, VOCs (volatile organic compounds) and nicotine, posing a "passive vaping" risk to bystanders.
so now you might be also harming others. awesome.
>pulmonologist Nathan Cobb, says there are quality-control issues with e-cigarettes, almost all of which are imported from China. He says nicotine levels vary widely and contamination can occur with propylene glycol, which is used in a variety of products including inhalers and as an antifreeze.


Holy shit your argument just fell apart. I dont feel the need to go on, and i wasnt even halfway through that article.

>>35469961
That FDA study involved the cheapest shit three years ago, I'm very familiar with it. It's been debunked many times over.
The Greek study that said it "damaged the lungs" was really just inflamation of the lungs, that's nicotine.
>nicotine varies widely
no it doesn't
>imported from china
I know no one who buys e-liquid from dekang et al
>contamination with propylene glycol
that's why vendors get USP grade

All of your evidence is shit

>>35469877
http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0000698
>Though there are many biological commonalities between sweetened diets and drugs of abuse, the addictive potential of the former relative to the latter is currently unknown
Currently unknown. I dont think you read the article
>Here we report that when rats were allowed to choose mutually-exclusively between water sweetened with saccharin–an intense calorie-free sweetener–and intravenous cocaine–a highly addictive and harmful substance–the large majority of animals (94%) preferred the sweet taste of saccharin.
Rats you faggot. not humans. And this is purely pharmacological, not anything to do with self-actualizing creatures.

>>35466753 (OP)
Aren't you glad that there are people on here who will not only answer your question, but will also chastise you for asking?

>>35470010
*not answer

Guys I heard that the pharmaceutical companies get their USP nicotine for NRT from china, india, and mexico
It must be unsafe!!

>>35466753 (OP)

Oh my god the disinfo in this thread is amazing.

There is no sugar in e-liquids. It gunks up the mechanism.

If you really want something good and inexpensive go with an Itaste MVP for about 80 and then for liquid pick Mt Baker Vapor for cheap and Pink Spot for premium.

If you like the iclear 30 that comes with the mvp, then stick with that. Otherwise head over to ecig forums and see what they recommend.

>>35469991
You have no evidence."Hurr i say this and i say that" Is not evidence. Do you really think you have a point? Point me to some legitimate articles and i will be amazed. I dont think you can because you have not been.

>2013
>Smoking
>Not having sufficient will to quit cold-turkey

Enjoy being an economic slave.

>>35470019
Here you go
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/health/policy/23fda.html?_r=0
The title is : Analysis Finds Toxic Substances in Electronic Cigarettes


Non-regulated nano particles that you are inhaling is just as bad as shooting heroin that you bought on the street. You are just as stupid. China is notorious for not giving a fuck, and there have been health concerns before because of imported things from China.

The fact that none of these companies validate there claims is also sketchy.

>>35470027
Your evidence has consisted of linking to shit sites like science daily for evidence, instead of actual studies.
I'm too tired to go look up the FDA study, show you that they only did 17 tests on cheap cartomizers of a company that went out of business, and made that claim.
http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php
That's Dr. Farsalinos site, the man who did the greek study that someone said proved e-cigs "harm the lungs", you can probably find it and see that it was only inflammation.

>>35470077
Yet again the long debunked FDA study on cartomizers from a company that has gone out of business.
Yawn

i see all these wierd ass devices and contraptions.

isnt there any commercial disposable type that is the same size as a normal cigarette?

>>35470080
>science daily
Nope, did not link to them. I linked to a number of well known sites. It seems you are really grasping at straws.
>Im too tired
Great supporting point
>Find it yourself
Oh god you really suck at debating. Burden of Proof faggot, ever hear of it?
Here it is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof
Thats only if you need a refresher.
If you are tired go to bed.
>>35470087
>cant come up with anything except attacking a single source i named.
Yep. Im feeling pretty winner right now.


I seriously hope none of the un-regulated chemicals have made your brains soft. That would be fucked up

>>35470133
Did you read the thread
Did you google

did you try


>>35466848

>>35470133
Look at smoketip.com, it's what I use because I didn't want something that looked silly.

>>35470153
no, fuck you.

get fucked and die in a fire.

>>35470087
>>35470080
Here is a great explination of the "debunking"
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vapor-station/28253-debunking-latest-b-s-fda-claims.html

>What about Nitrosamines? Nitrosamines are carcinogens. Tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) are found in the liquid used by Ruyan in their cartridges. According to the Health New Zealand report1, the amount increases with the amount of nicotine, and the average is 3.928 Ng (or parts per billion [ppb])
>So what is Diethylene Glycol?
>The MSDS2 shows that chronic exposure to Diethylene Glycol can cause lesions on the liver and kidneys, as well as damage to the same organs. In the case of inhalation, the only first aid recommended is removal from the source to fresh air.
>Antifreeze typically contains ethylene glycol as its active ingredient, but some manufacturers market propylene glycol-based antifreeze, which is less toxic to humans and pets.

TL;DR

Its less bad for you than cigs. Thats not saying much, you are still poisoning your body.

>>35470146
How am I supposed to debunk your stupid fucking claim about the 2009 "toxic substances in electronic cigarettes" study from the FDA? They found them, but the company was not using USP grade glycols. No one ever talks about the other cartomizers they found nothing harmful in, just the company that went out of business for being garbage.

Another thing you're talking about is the metal nanoparticle scare, and I had a blog that did the math on how many metal nanoparticles that was versus sitting in traffic but seem to have lost it. Instead, have a doctor tell you why that's fucking bullshit:

http://www.ecigadvanced.com/blog/dr-farsalinos-on-metals-and-nanoparticles-in-e-cigarettes/

I also thought

>>35470208
>No one ever talks about the other cartomizers they found nothing harmful in
Then how do you know about that? Word of mouth i assume. Dont base your health on word of mouth unless it is from a doctor or other qualified official.

From your study you posted
>Table 1 of the study indicates that they found 0.037micrograms of tin per 10 puffs of e-cigarette. Assuming that 10 puffs are equal to 500ml of vapor and air inhaled (50ml/puff-a very modest estimation), we can conclude that the concentration of the metal per 1m3 (1000 liters) will have 0.037 x 2000 = 74micrograms per m3. This is 27 times less than the upper limit of normal for occupational exposure (8 hours continuous exposure at those limits).
He just said that there is tin in the vapor, and then he compared it to SAFE WORKING CONDITIONS for inhaling tin. He is grossly underestimating how much average smokers smoke.
> According to our calculations (measurements in experienced vapers), 13 puffs in 5 minutes

You take 2.5 puffs a min? When i smoked i remember an entire cig lasting 5 min.

>As a conclusion, this study is important because it reminds us that electronic cigarettes are not an absolutely healthy habit.

He reiterated my point.

non-smoker here.

Should I take up smoking with a vaporizer?

>>35470296
What's the point?

>>35470287
>All levels are significanlty lower xompared to safety limits, even for a daily consumption of more than 10ml of e-liquid.
And that's with cheap fucking cartomizers that use tin solder.
He's not giving credence to your point, idiot.

>>35470316
My point was that it is bad for you, no matter how you look at it. Cigarettes are absolutely shit. E-cigs and the like are just a lesser form of the same shit. Should i make a picture or something? because now i have used analogy, my own sources, and your sources.

Im not saying that e-cigs are worse or just as bad as cigarettes. I hope thats not what you think i am trying to say. I have clearly stated otherwise.

He validated the fuck out of my point, and stated it in the first line of his conclusion.

>>35470357
Yeah and so is sugar, caffeine, and whatever other legalized drugs you accept into your body. Caffeine has significant cardiovascular effects, is addictive, and people drown their children in it.
If your point is "yes, these aren't absolutely 100% safe" then yeah he did. But you're quoting shit studies from the FDA and articles screaming about metal nano particles without putting it into context and not even mentioning that it's below the DAILY USP INTAKE RECOMMENDATION THAT ARE ALLOWED IN MEDICINES.

>>35469813
thank you and well said. fuck those shitty cigarette companies, i would never buy another cigarette from them again, nor any anything from the e-cig companies that cig companies are buying up to cash in on the coming wave of e-cig smokers. fuck phillip morris and all the other disgusting cigarette makers. im so glad i switched to vaping and am having a seamless transistion to non-smoking as well. all they want to do it addict the fuck out of your paying ass.

>>35469961
dude, you must work for phillip morris...is your job in jepoardy?

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>>35470077
again, that is the same flawed report used over and over. go away phillip morris.

mfw people who dont smoke in this thread complaining or trying to say regular cigs are better, hahaha...

>>35470404
Its far worse for you than caffeine, and other legalized drugs that you accept into your body.
And thats JUST nicotine. Nicotine has been proven to be fuck-all terrible for you and your body. Nicotine is also easier to overdose on than cocaine and caffeine.
Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization.
nicotine administered to mice with tumors caused increases in tumor size (twofold increase), metastasis (nine-fold increase), and tumor recurrence (threefold increase)


As for the addiction comparason you did, you are correct about some things(like they are both physically and mentally addictive in low amounts), except nicotine is a more addictive substance .Nicotine also has significant cardiovascular effects.

Ego W masterrace here

I love vaping, but the only downside is I probably smoke a little more than I should, I almost smoke 2 ml a day, 18 mg/ml nicotine. Now it's been a month, I think I'm switching to 9.

>tfw I still don't know if it's safe to vape

That study with the cartomizers with fucking soldering is terrible, it's just like the FDA study that showed "antifreeze" in the cheapest shit they could find.
No good cartomizer uses soldering, Smoktek, Vision, and Boge cartomizers use press fittings, all from china.

I'm not even going to speculate what lengths they had to go to in finding those cheap pieces of shit that use solder.

>>35470446
I feel bad that i dont know who that is :[ . but no i just like to debate before i go to sleep.
>>35470476
At least this other guy is putting up some sort of fight. And he even said he was tired.

>>35470523
the only argument i am making is i was a daily smoker for 20 years and could not quit until i started vaping. ill defin choose the lesser of two evils. the cigarette companies only want your money at all costs, period. they could care less if, how or when you die as long as they got the money from you. that has been proven over and over. also, there are no chemicals like methane or urea in vaping. this is some of the shit they put in cigarettes to make it hard to quit.

>>35470523
phillip morris makes 1/2 of the cig brands in the world.

>>35470502
>it's worse for you than caffeine
Yeah, I bet you drink a lot of caffeine don't you?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/is-nicotine-really-any-different-than-caffeine-20130620

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm90YJRQcRk

>Nicotine itself is not a particularly hazardous drug," says Professor John Britton, who leads the tobacco advisory group for the Royal College of Physicians.
>It's something on a par with the effects you get from caffeine.
>If all the smokers in Britain stopped smoking cigarettes and started smoking e-cigarettes we would save 5 million deaths in people who are alive today. It's a massive potential public health prize.

shill thread

>>35470523
also, sonce i startd vaping, i can breath better, i can smell better, i have no desire to light a cig and actually, for the first time, i can smell how nasty cigs smell and taste. i never gave that much thought when kissing a girl or anything.

>>35470554
I agree that if you must choose then vaping>cigs 100 times out of 100.
In fact this thread has made me want to go get an ecig tomorrow. I had been smoking marb lights @ a pack every week and a half. But i cant help but feel like i need to spit or drink while im smoking. Shit is gross to swallow

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Hi, joining the party a little late here. been using e-cigs for about a year now.

Seems to me that the only piece of actual research cited in this thread was that crappy FDA article which studied a specific type of ecig and had questionable results.

The object of this thread should be about the principles and technology behind ecigs and whether they are harmful or not, not whether chinese manufacturers use toxic materials or whether some shitty company uses unsafe flavourings.

Propelyne glycol - safe for inhilation
Nicotine - No more harmful than caffeiene for example and far from what makes cigarettes harmful. I'm gonna say safe for inhilation
Principle of wicking to a heated coil to vapourise above lsited components - Fucking safe.

e-cigs as a concept and a science are completely safe to use. the only questionable points are apparent in certain situations regarding individual manufacturers.

>>35470584
it would be the best choice you could make. it makes quitting sooooooo much easier. just dont buy anything made by an exsisting cigarette company as I am sure they are putting similar chems to addict you in them. and yes, i see the shills too. its a shame. i wonder how much they get paid to troll.

>>35470601
dirty bastard cig companies trying to hedge their bets. they are trying to get legislation going to ban them everywhere, at the same time buying a bunch of them to promote them with their vile crap. they know their days are finally numbered.

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>>35470584
Good on you man, don't listen to the fag trying to compare it like "dog shit" and "cow shit"

Here's a map of e-cig vendors:
http://www.vapersrising.com/the-map/

If you need recommendations I'd be happy to help

>>35470566
>Yeah, I bet you drink a lot of caffeine don't you?
When i have headaches i will drink a redbull, and sometimes i have green tea.
>Nicotine itself is not a particularly hazardous drug," says Professor John Britton, who leads the tobacco advisory group for the Royal College of Physicians.
Except it encourages cancer growth way more than caffeine. Thats certainly hazardous.
>Nicotine also promotes cancer growth by stimulating angiogenesis and neovascularization.
>nicotine administered to mice with tumors caused increases in tumor size (twofold increase), metastasis (nine-fold increase), and tumor recurrence (threefold increase)
From wikipedia on nicotine, and there were sources.
>>35470577
I did vape cannabis for awhile, it did not make my throat close up like it did with pipes and bongs. I also enjoyed the taste 1000X more. And gross you kiss girls faggot?

>>35470625
Wait, you can vape cannabis?
And you get high?

>>35470027
>may
>trace amount
>He says

Nice qualifiers there, buddy.

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>>35470624
Top kek. I am him. Its a valid point. Both are bad for you, thats all i was saying to a guy that was trying to say there was no evidence that e-cigs were bad for you.

>>35470601
True. I can also smoke inside my house then. That would be a huge plus. I need nicotine to focus. Its nearly impossible for me otherwise.

>>35470625
uninformed or shill. nicotine has many benefits. yes it is toxic in high doses but at minimal/supervised dosages, just read up on some of the benefits.

>>35470645
375-420 celsius or something and wham, you're vaping mostly just thc

>>35470657
>>trace amount
can still kill you.
>may
thats how cigarette studies started also.
>he says
because we all know women dont belong in scientific fields

>>35470625
Oh boy, more misinformation! How shall we debunk your shit claims?
http://whyquit.com/pr/041812.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/33023.php

They injected mice with lethal amounts of nicotine, enough to make them lose hair, and that's supposed to prove it causes cancer?

I guess forcing a mouse to eat four times its body weight in *insert food here*, every day, causes tumors, so *insert food here* causes cancer in laboratory animals, and another doctoral candidate is born.

>>35470659
you can smoke anywhere with them because there is no proof the vapor is harmful. im sure if there ANY, the cig companies would have had a field day promoting it.

/g/ in charge of science and research

Anyway, how can I tell when I have to change the cartomizer/atomizer?
I started vaping one month ago and still no sign of anything.

>>35470663
My concern is that things build up. Especially wierd toxic chemicals.
>>35470645
Yes. AND THE TASTE oh my god i want it back. idk why but i loved the taste. its like if you take a joint that you just rolled, and heat it up by running a lighter over it a few times(keeping distance obv, no black spots, or catching firei) and then smell it. i just love that smell

>>35470587
>>35470587
>>35470587
>>35470587

i lold at how everyone continued arguing stupid points and ignored my completely sensible post.

>>35470702
when it starts tasting like shit
2 weeks or so for a cartomizers, although you can squeeze some more life out of cartos by boiling them. same with atomizers, but I'd recommend cleaning them with vodka or pure grain alcohol.

>>35470702
Taste. I do an overnight soak in 99iso every now and then

>>35470719
>>35470720

Okay well it still taste good so, I'll just wait.

>>35470680
>http://whyquit.com/pr/041812.html
Well hey, if they were referring to the sources on wikipedia that i didnt read because i am losing steam, then thank you for informing me. Im not trying to shill or troll, i am just arguing what i think i know, just like anyone else should be.

Shit I would rather have somebody smash my ass in a debate so i can see why I am wrong. I dont like to be misinformed.

>>35470625
I'm no expert, but my understanding was that caffeine (in moderate quantities) was actually good for you.

At least there is plenty of evidence that coffee is good for you (even decaf), though that is perhaps not the issue here

>>35470703
ok, but you dont think that has already happened in far worse levels in your body from smoking already? do you want to know some of the withdrawals i had from smoking those shitting things? gums bleeding, stomach pains, diarrea for weeks, hair falling out. you dont think that was i buildup of toxins. those scumbags at the cigarette companies didnt give afuck about that as long as they got my 5 bux a day for 'fixing me right up'. fuck that shit, never again.

>>35470752
>gums bleeding, stomach pains, diarrea for weeks
I'm having those too, but I'm vaping

what the fuq

>>35470779
how long ago did you stop smoking?

>>35470779
when did you quit smoking?
stay hydrated, propylene glycol is a dehumecant so it'll dry out your mouth

my lungs only bled after I quit smoking though, and subsided

>>35470752
>ok, but you dont think that has already happened in far worse levels in your body from smoking already?
I absolutely do. And Ihave done things far worse than smoking, like shooting heroin.
The fact that i have already damaged my body only strengthens the point that i need to be more careful.

>>35470793
>>35470800
More than a month ago
But the biggest problem is, everytime I vape, I need to take a shit

>>35470800
>lungs
meant gums, fuck
>>35470817
Well, glycerol can be used as a laxative. As for the gums bleeding, maybe try more vegetable glycol liquids and see if it helps.

>>35470779
for me it lasted for several weeks. probably almost 2 months.

maybe switch e-juice brands like was just said. ive heard some people are allergic to glycerol and even vice versa. do whatever you have to besides picking up that first cigarette.

ive read posts form people that said they went and had xrays from when they quit thru several months later, and they vaped. they all said the same general things, how amazing it was to see their lungs clear out. im sure alot of the toxins are moving out thru your digestive tract.

>>35470871
Uhm, I don't think human body works like that.

and trust it will get easier. ive been in the hole in jail and would suck tobacco off the C/O's crushed cig butts. i couldnt believe the things i would do for those disgusting things. and i was an advocate for years because i needed nicotine to concentrate as well. after seeing i could quit with vaping and the real changes and harm that was done, i am only an advocate of hating them now.

you could be right, i dont know if it is expelled thru the digestive tract, im only assuming it has to come out somehow...

>>35470888
i mean, your lungs have to shed the malformed layers of dirt/tissue somehow, i assume. where would it go. i know many cough alot of it up, but that never happened with me. where to the shedded toxins/tissue go?

>>35470850
honestly i tried a regular cigarette a few weeks ago, just to see what it tasted like, all i can say is you could just taste the nastiness/chemicals flowing into your lungs and it was really, really gross. and i never experienced that before.

>>35470922
In your blood. Do you shit blood?

>>35470922
Remember guys, respiratory system is connected to the digestive system!

>>35470959
no, didnt shit any blood but i know dead blood cells are in shit. also, something cleans your blood, so the toxins would then build up in your liver. somehow they get expelled, im just not sure. im not a dr.

>>35470961
i know, just dont know if the stomach pains and diarrea was connected to your body expelling the years of built up cig toxins. im just assuming it is since thats when it started and alot of ppl go thru the same thing on posts ive read.

>>35470983
Dude, the digestive system is about what you eat, and there's no way you shit anything that you didn't eat.
toxins and other stuff are expelled via your liver and kidneys (urine)

I'm cautiously optimistic about this whole vaping thing, but I'm concerned about the evangelism around it that makes the «you can run your games in WINE, no problem» crowd look sane. Almost no one of the old smokers seem to be intent on actually reducing and getting rid of their excessive nicotine intake.

I've never been a smoker myself, but I'm somewhat interested in getting a starter kit anyway. It might seems like it might be nice, although I'm concerned about the lack of quality assurance: I'd be using nicotine-free juice, obviously, but from what I've seen nicotine levels can vary wildly from what it's supposed to be, with even supposedly nicotine-free juice having significant nicotine levels. And I'm not sure what brands I can trust having what it says on the tin.

Most of them are probably through the liver, kidneys, and urine, and toxins that build up within the body can also be deposited into the bile, which in turn, enters the small intestine.

>>35471016
can you explain what gives so many ex-smokers the stomach pains and shits then? just a question.

>>35471028
im much closer to a seamless exit than ever before. been slowly weaning off nicotine amounts in e-juice and much more able to 'mentally' quit than before. it doesnt hold the same attraction after weaning off them with vaping.

>>35471028
>nicotine-juice having significant nicotine levels
where the fuck did you see that?
there shouldn't be any nicotine at all, if you have a reputable vendor most stuff should be premixed in FDA registered labs like http://wizardlabs.us/

>>35471028
also, i had 'quit' smoking before for short periods, the insane longing that eventually bought me back is gone with vaping. the habits of holding them are broken, there are alot of other little things too. to me it just made it possible to see the damage and not want them anymore.

>>35471049
Nicotine gives a lot of side effects, wheter you're trying to quit smoking/or you're starting vaping, or you're smoking. Symptoms usually include an increase in the heart rate and blood pressure, sleep disturbances or insomnia, irritability, gastrointestinal problems like nausea, diarrhea, dyspepsia and flatulence.

If you're trying to quit, you'll have diarrhea. if you're switching to ecigs, you'll have diarrhea. if you're quitting, you'll have diarrhea

>>35471028
an appropriate analogy is that of buying prebuilt computers rather than building your own.

if you buy a prebuilt, you generally get a shitload of bloatware and programs that are not necessarily useful or good for you and a lot of the time are only there for profit, despite harming your experience.

if you build your own, you get complete control over the quality of the hardware used and its configuration, as well as the OS and software.

>>35471069
err, non-nicotine juice*

>>35471049
>im much closer to a seamless exit than ever before. been slowly weaning off nicotine amounts in e-juice and much more able to 'mentally' quit than before.
Great! I hope more people are doing this than what meets the eye.

>>35471069
Some report of a study that measured the nicotine levels of different uses. Annoyingly, I didn't follow to the actual study, which it strikes me might actually have names of the juices tested. I should look it up again.
Also, I'm European, so the US vendors thrown around don't seem all too relevant to me, unless I can find their juices sold in my vicinity.

>>35471132
ah, not sure then. definitely a sign of a subpar vendor, because you just mix VG/PG in that case. no nicotine should be involved in that situation, it's contamination.

here's the latest study in addiction that shows every e-liquid they tested was acceptable, I believe it also includes euro e-liquids:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ezp3b3gjpybfk6q/add12235.pdf

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Tobacco companies are having a field day lobbying to ban and spreading FUD against ecigs and I'm afraid they will win. At least here in Finland these are spreading like wildfire. It's like every time someone who vapes makes new aquintances, half of those stop smoking and get ecigs instead. It's understandable because some bars allow vaping indoors (smokers need to gtfo) and 10ml of ejuice costs less than one pack of fags (Camel is 5,20€) but lasts at least four times longer.

Tobacco companies simply can not win if this goes on like this.

>>35471164
Thanks!

>>35471132
thank you. it was really a stuggle before i started vaping. i didnt believe it either and thought it was kind of foolish until i tried it and realized it was the best and easiest solution with the least 'mental' side effects. i hope more people try it if they are having problems with cold-turkey or NRP's

>>35471185
i mentioned that above, they are trying to indrotuce all sorts of legislation and lobbying efforts to tax them higher than real cigs, just tried in NY, Vermont, CA, and other states. yet the dirty fuckers are buying the e-cig companies as fast as they can too, to hedge their bets. all that wil happen then is sky high prices and all the garbage we were trying to get away from being introduced back into the e-juice. saddest part is, they buy the company, then make it so the cartridge isnt refillable, thereby locking you back into an endless cycle with them.

>>35471185
btw, i use the exact same vape in your pic.

>>35471185
and avoid those Blu e-cigs, they were just bought by a major cig company so I am assuming they will be playing with the e-juice in them too. Also of note, it says all major cig companies have increased nicotine levels slowly every year, in all major brands, over 5% since 2000. they are shady, sneaky devils that only care about their next yatch.

hey guys, i always stop by /g/ just for these threads.

>>35471344
hi to you too. do you mean intelligent ones or e-cig ones? it sure beats /b/ for intelligent conversations, haha...

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>>35471351
fucking god damnit wrong image.

>>35471351
nice tits anyway. rather be sucking on them.

>>35471367
Looks like it has a banana pressed up the side.

Also, you can delete your previous post.

>>35471364
its just nice to see other anons posting their shit without circlejerking over "new hobby lifestyle im so great now" like reddits /r/ecr.

>>35471351
id like to press a bannana up against her side, lel. he can leave the image up, i dont think anyone will complain.

>>35471391
>>35471411
>>35471378
sorry deleted; that was the thumbnail pic anyway. I have a higher res one somewhere...

>>35471409
there were some earlier but they left thankfully. and reddit...?

>>35467172
what juice is in those tanks? pluid?
>>35471430
yeah the vape community over there is annoying.

this shit is gross

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Using my KTS and IGO-L at my desk, vision spinner and mini vivi nova on the go and tesla with protank occasionally

Friend told me about captivape recently and I ordered a sample pack, iffy on everything that I got except their sunshine smoothie god damn that stuff is good. Smells like fruit roll ups too.

Stuff in background is stuff I haven't bothered to build new wicks for/don't have enough liquids to fill them all.

>>35471604
do you notice a real difference using the same juices out of the different vapes?

>>35471284
Who the fuck would even buy non-refillable clearo? Nobody with one gram of brain mass. I'm more worried about the taxation and sales regulation of eliquids. At least in EU they have flashed anything from tobacco-level taxation (would bump price of 10ml from 5€ to 30€) to sales regulation only in apothecaries. Fighting against that kind of insanity is the first time in my life I've seriously considering joining a intrest group.
I can't quit nicotine but with ecigs I could substitute it easily 100% and nowadays effortlessly run, swim & play basket which I couldn't do when I smoked pack a day. This is a good cause worth fighting for.

>>35471783
Yeah taste varies a little bit and airflow can change things, the dripper gives the '
'best taste' in my opinion. Even going from silica in a vivi to a dripper with silica produces more vapor and I taste things I didn't before and it's good.

I still don't think there's any 'best', I like the protank for heavy VG for example.

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I have a vaporgenie, it's pretty neat.

>>35471855
Also it has a lot to do with wicking, the splitfire (which I don't rebuild anymore) wicks a lot more and you the difference is very apparent if you don't have a shit wick with primer on it from the factory (a problem I had with mine, until I rebuilt it.)

>>35471854
>I can't quit nicotine
You can. Just gradually lower the nicotine levels of the juice you get and you should be able to hit zero eventually. You've got this, Anon.

>>35471974
agree, lower your levels gradually. that is what I have been doing. exactly what these fucking cigarette companies dont want you to be able to do.

>>35471854
this is what happens when the cigarette companies buy an e-cig company. i was reading about it the other day. they make the cartridges non-refillable so you have to buy full ones from them and cant use your own choice of mix.

>>35471882
so thats what those lighters were next to the vapes. i was wondering about those. didnt know they made those to hold the juice.

>>35471882
>warm air
>vaporising anything
hue

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>>35471886
nah, this >>35471386 lighter for example is just a little bit bigger than my thumb
it's kind of like this scale pic but the lighters are a little smaller

>>35471854
they just tried this in NY, good ole save the world bloomberg tried to raise the tax on it to make it more expensive than the cigarette tax. luckily it was defeated til next year. the argument was the tax was created to pay for the people who smoked and got sick. vaping is know to stop people from smoking and doesnt cause the same issues as smoking can cause, so they (luckily) pushed it off til next year. they will get it eventually, which is unbelievable.

>>35472132
man, if you ever knew anyone that was addicted to smoking or died from lung cancer, you would know these are a godsend.

>>35472132
way to make sense there buddy

>>35472092
you could use one to vape nicotine juice, but you would have to impregnated some plant material with it first. You could reuse the same planet matter but change it if it gets scorched

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>>35471185
>10ml of ejuice costs less than one pack of fags (Camel is 5,20€)
you know you can get 100ml for 14€?

http://www.bargainvapour.com/The_100ml_sale!/cat1274300_1558093.aspx

>>35472579
Get a Vision Victory and that me later.

>>35472639
hows it compared to vivi nova v3/STV?

>>35472873
The bottom coil gives more consistent flavor and the wicks last longer. Also no chance of unscrewing the base of the tank when filling.

>>35472943
I tired Kanger EVOD before and it was awful, little-to-none flavor and throad hit was meh, and then it just stopped working.

might give it try someday, as my vivi nova has been working fine for long time

ITT: Morons who take drugs for escapism because they're too mentally weak to cope with life.

Your sister is probably a black dick whore, OP.

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>>35473485

>>35473485
You take drugs every day for escapism. Your brain is fed dopamine to help you get through the monotony of the day, for just one example.

The only difference is one of us is able to regulate and control it.

>>35473485
why do you eat nice food, enjoy a warm shower or a hot cup of hot chocolate? they all release dopamine, you filthy dope fiend, you.

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All these people getting mad at what others do when it has absolutely no effect on them. I'm not going to claim that vaping is 100% safe but it's most certainly safer than smoking, and the majority of vapers are ex-smokers who want a safer alternative. I'm not going to recommend it to anyone that doesn't smoke, in fact I'll advise them to stay well away, but if one of my smoking buddies enquires about it I'll definitely tell them to give it a go.

Ego CE5+ with a leaky tank, got a Protank Mini coming today or tomorrow and conveniently on my last fill of menthol juice (really enjoyed it so will get some more, but want to try out the others).

>>35474411
ooooh good luck with the protank. i've used 4 kanger tanks (T2, T3, MT3 and ProTank) and every single one of them has had horrible leaking issues. I recommend the vivi nova/mini or the iclear tanks. reliable as hell. Also, def give the eGo-C Upgrade a try - it has dual voltage, so you can run at 4.2v but still nice and cheap. I've been using them for ages now and theyre awesome.

I've been using this work a week:

https://www.allaboutvapor.com/vaporshop3/product.php?productid=17672&cat=251&page=1

The last cigarette I smoked was in the parking lot to go pick it up

I don't have anything to compare against, but it's working for me.

I went with the tobacco flavored liquid at the strongest nicotine level

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>>35474411
Absolutely I feel the same way.

>>35474411
>Ego CE5+ with a leaky tank
>leaky tank

You mean vapor leaks inside tank? Easy fix, it isn't glued so most likely it's just a little off. Remove tank, press with force against flat hard surface bottom down. It should mend back just like that.

>>35472579
Holy shit! You are a true bro! Thanks for the tip. What do you recommend? I've heard RY4 is something of a gold standard flavour, what else?

>>35471185
for real man, my experience as well. I got all my friends to 'quit' smoking

>>35475492
I didnt like taste of RY4, but blueberry is good.

I also have menthol but havent tired it yet

Hey you close minded fuckheads, you realize you can use an e-cig with 0mg of nicotine right?

Can you vape vitamins?

>>35469630
Either those bottles are miscroscopic, or those tubes are fucking huge. Is that comfortable to hold up to your mouth?

>>35476419
yeah but it's really stupid, nicotine has a high toxicity so it's really easy to get effective doses in our liquids
I've seen other people try vaping caffeine and other nootropics but it really doesn't work as well, and I wouldn't recommend heating and absorbing just anything in your lungs because of degredation products

Which E-Cigs can vape marijuana or dmt?

>>35468027
Nicotine has been shown to have bothing stimulating and depressant effects. just as alchohol, a depressant, often makes people more active in low dosesf

>>35476419
Maybe.

>>35468146
This explains my relationship with vapor beautifully

I just got an e-cig a few days ago, a couple of Kanger T3 tanks with an e-Go variable voltage high-capacity battery, as suggested by someone on /g/ some time ago.

Works like a charm, and I haven't had a single cig since. I'm currently vaping high-nicotine energy drink liquid- damn this shit's great.

>still smoking
>2013

enjoy having your body raped by cancer op

>>35477480
Addendum: Thanks, /g/, for recommending this.

>>35466753 (OP)
>so because my sister got caught with me the realized being addicted addicted to a substance wasn't so so bad. recommend me a vaporizer so I can backtrack on all my hardworking /g/

ok because you're not gonna get cancer, right?

i swear are all these fucking troll troll threads or is the human race really really this terrible

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>>35471185
Finland here too. I got into e-cigs recently because of recommendations from friends and lurking threads here.

Try the Liqua brand energy drink liquid. It tastes just like ES.

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>>35477480
Awesome!

>>35477802
sounds like you believe leftist lies about nicotine. If you dried out and crushed up lettuce and smoked it you'd get cancer eventually. The problem is the by-products of combustion not the actual active ingredient

meanwhile nicotine is an FDA-approved drug and sold OTC and by prescription in the form of gums and patches. Not that being approved by those fags gives it the imprimatur of safety since they also approve meth and opium, but it's at least as safe as amphetamines prescribed to 5-year olds so they stfu in class

4Chin Broke

>>35478007
Are those the new kanger protanks?

>>35476869
You can make your own tincture for e-cigs from flowers, don't know how to do DMT though. Google around and look for the receipt.

>>35474921
I was considering getting a better battery but these 650mAh ones (got two of them in a twin pack) seem to last me a day easily. Not too bothered about voltage control, the Protank Mini will be coming with 1.8 ohm coils and the current one is something like 2.5 so I wouldn't want any more voltage.

>>35475262
Is that one of the things (think they're called mechs) that you build your self? I assume that's the coil wrapped around the wick?

>>35475447
Nah it leaks fluid from the bottom. At first I thought I was just getting it down the centre tube when filling but I've made sure to avoid that and it still leaks, but very slowly so I store it upside down over night. I think it the little gasket at the bottom of the atomiser, made out of a fairly hard material. It looks like it makes contact with the part that contacts the battery's centre terminal and has the air hole, that can be pulled out downwards (held in place by a rubber plug) and I don't think the battery applies enough upwards pressure to fully seal it.

>>35478007
What tank is that on the left?
I need something to replace my leaky and under performing H1.

How do I into this? Is there any guides/infographics out there?

The guys at the pub don't let me smoke anymore, fucking anti-smocking laws