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>Pedo : Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I forgot the password.
>Lawman: Well shit

Basic stuff.

>>34170422 (OP)
If his defence lawyer was worth his salt he would tell the judge to go fly a kite.

>>34170478
Yea, I had that shit written down but I don't know what happened to it.

This isn't really technology. Sure, technology was used (encryption), but the core topic is better suited for /pol/ since nobody is actually going to be talking about the encryption.

I know there are people on this site who try to defend child abuse. I really hope they are just being funny and "le edgy XD" and don't really think that way. It terrifies me to think how many abusers might be out there.

>must provide an unencrypted copy of the data

So what's stopping him from downloading 15gb of gnu/linux distros and providing that?

what if he "forgot" the keys

Cool inflamatory bit OP. He didn't just change his mind, the circumstances changed.

> Recently, the FBI was able to decrypt and access a small part of Feldman’s storage system, namely a single hard drive. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Feldman’s storage system remains encrypted.
>The decrypted part of Feldman’s storage system contains an intricate electronic
folder structure comprised of approximately 6,712 folders and subfolders. In
these folders, agents found approximately 707,307 files. Among those files
were numerous files which constitute child pornography.
>In addition to numerous files of child pornography, the decrypted part of Feldman’s storage system contains detailed personal financial records and documents belonging to Feldman.
>The decrypted part of Feldman’s storage system contains dozens of personal
photographs of Feldman.
It's a foregone conclusion because the government knows the possession and criminal content of CP. It "adds little or nothing to the sum total of the Government's information" about the existence and location of files that may contain incriminating information. Fisher, 425 U.S. at 411.

>>34170422 (OP)
Sure thing, occifur. Use this live disc and in a terminal type my password. It takes a while to boot up.

dd of=/dev/sda if=/dev/zero&

>>34170624
>going to jail for 20 years for obstruction of justice instead of a few for possession of illegal images
real smart bro

>>34170478
That doesn't work. And amounts to perjury if you actually do know.
that is the exact reason the amendment was put in the constitution

>>34170518
Bad idea. then it's not covered under forced self-incrimination.

>>34170564
It probably must come from the same machine.

>>34170624
backups are made right away as a rule

If there is CP on his drive I see no downside to telling the court to go fuck themselves.

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"the constitution? who needs it"

>>34170658
how can they prove you know

>>34170653
>obstruction of justice
changing justice to fit your needs


>>34170658
poop

>>34170422 (OP)
>As we reported previously, forcing a defendant to decrypt a hard drive can amount to self-incrimination if the government can't otherwise show that the defendant has the password for the drive. In such a case, forced decryption amounts to a forced confession that the defendant owns the drive.
Later in the article:

According to the order (PDF http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.wied.63043/gov.uscourts.wied.63043.6.0.pdf ), after devoting “substantial resources” in the case, FBI agents apparently have been able to decrypt one of the drives. The government argued that because it had found “numerous files which constitute child pornography,” “detailed personal financial records and documents belonging to Feldman,” and “dozens of personal photographs of Feldman," Feldman therefore has “access to and control over” the set of drives.

He knows the password, and if he claims ignorance he'll be in jail until he remembers or get convicted for the stuff on the 1st drive.

>>34170560
>It terrifies me to think how many abusers might be out there

jesus christ, if that terrifies you, you might as well get off the fucking internet. I can guarantee you there are much worse things out there.

>>34170679
Not citizens, since it doesn't apply to them. That is a contract between the government ( which includes voluntary servant otherwise known as citizens ) and sovereign individuals.

>>34170620
What's with pedos and complex folder structures? They think that shit fools the police or something?

>>34170684
They don't have to. But lying about it complicates matters.

>>34170692
I would love to see the government prove they found those files on his computer.

>>34170765
Yep, case in point, Thad.

/things/dont click

Clearly a flawless directory structure.

>>34170778
sure they do

>>34170560
Well, I think this topic fits here. It seems that law enforcement has a tough job when handling device encryption. The judges are wrongfully siding with them to create a landmark case with their name on it. Unfortunately, law enforcement needs to get their act together somehow.Unlike the war on drugs, they are targeting the "users" and not focusing on the big fish. Remember, there is no registry for murders or anyo ne else. These "users" lives are ruined.

>>34170788
>don't click

Every time.

>>34170679
>the right of the people to be secure in their effects against unreasonable searches
doesn't sound that unreasonable to me, depending on their case.
>nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself
he's not exactly testifying against himself...

theres two different districts that dealt with this issue. one stated it didnt violate constitutional rights, while the otuer determined it was a violation. The US supreme court has not issued any jurisprudence regarding the matter. Since its still up for judicial review it could still go either way.

>>34170765
Most of it comes in categorized folders.

Few people want to organize that many photos manually and running it through picasa to add metadata isn't really something people would think of.

>>34170778
>They don't have to.
Funny. Last I checked, they have to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that you are guilty. Just claim you used a random number generator to make your password, and you don't know what happened to the paper you wrote it on.

>>34170832
>he's not exactly testifying against himself...

he's on trial
the statement would affect him.

>>34170832

he can't be forced to provide self incriminating evidence, that falls under testifying against yourself

>>34170422 (OP)
ew fucking pedo

>>34170653
No registry. Might still get a job someday.

>>34170422 (OP)
Rights matter? Ha!

It's a jury of your peers. If you are the one standing next to the defense attorney the assumption is you are already guilty, people will think this no matter how many jury instructions they get. You have to prove your innocence.

It really is guilty until proven innocent now and unfortunately there is no way to change it. It's not only a problem with the justice system itself but a problem with people and how suspects are viewed by the common man and portrayed by the media. This is not something that will change overnight.

>>34170851
prove to a jury.
>>34170810
not really, they can just keep threatening you until you come up with loads of strings and they'll check all of them.

Isn't this why truecrypt has a hidden partition feature? The whole point is that you have encrypted data that looks like scrambled data. So ideally they aren't even aware you have a hidden partition to begin with.

>>34170869
>HAVE YOU EVER BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME [Y][N]
Unless you get the charge expunged (not going to happen) you'll still get fucked when they do background checks.

>>34170894
The computer was probably on when they busted the place.

and I'm guessing they had a guy on hand to freeze the RAM.

>>34170560
>this isn't really technology

Oh okay i guess truecrypt is /fa/ then

Stop trying to act all normald and being a prude on /g/ you fat mongoloid

>>34170901
but at least he can park his van within 500m of a school when he gets out

>>34170922
>freeze the ram
technically possible but fbi agents probably didn't do this
they may have used a hotplug though

http://www.wiebetech.com/products/HotPlug.php

doubtful though as it took them many months to decrypt a small portion of the encrypted data

more likely pedo was dumb and used a weak encryption passphrase

>>34170422 (OP)
>FBI manages to decrypt one of the drives
>contained CP
He's screwed at this point... they want him to confess his crimes to make it much simpler for them. Revealing the passwords of his drives would be the exact same thing as confessing.

>>34170620
>complex folder structures
I saw somewhere that pedos tend to be autists that like to over classify the stuff they have.

>>34170901
Being a convicted criminal is better than being a convicted criminal AND a sex offender.

>>34170901
If push comes to shove, what do you want on your wrap sheet?

>>34170653
>a few years
Ha, yeah right. You get a few years PER IMAGE. Each illegal image is a separate count of possession. With several hard drives worth of CP you could easily get a sentence of centuries.

>>34170901
Vastly superior to being forced to go door to door warning people to stay away from you.

>>34170990
>get out at 25-26 with the illicit images one
or
>get out at 43 with obstruction
Not getting hired anywhere anyways and life essentially over.

Kind of a moot point though, they already have the guy from the OP article having CP on the part they decrypted. He's getting found guilty for CP regardless of whether or not he assists in decrypting the remaining media. Why make it worse?

that nigga just gotta say "hurr durr i forgot the pass word" and he's free

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>Not storing sensitive data on an offshore server

lel

>>34171038
Under oath?

>>34170560
Pedo here. Child abuse is not okay, but that's not sopping me from fapping.

>>34170894
If you were really paranoid you could just get one of thoes 16 gig mini SD cards that are as big as my thumb nail. You could still keep all your encrypted data but as soon as you hear a door getting busted open you could easily swallow it or break it.

So worst case scenario you have an SD card that looks like it has random data on it. Or a teeny tiny broken card that they might not even find.

>>34171022
Do you know what's really fun?

Doing around and telling people that you are not a sex offender.
You will get the shit kicked out of you though.

>>34170653
1: obstruction of justice only counts if they can prove it was evidence, since your hard drive has not yet been confiscated they cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was anything incriminating on there, people wipe hard drives all the time
2: it might only be a couple years for one over even more years for the other but at least with the other you are not on the national sex offender registry
3: why the fuck would you have CP on your computer you sick fuck

>>34171038
>> Recently, the FBI was able to decrypt and access a small part of Feldman’s storage system, namely a single hard drive.
>The decrypted part of Feldman’s storage system contains an intricate electronic folder structure comprised of approximately 6,712 folders and subfolders. In these folders, agents found approximately 707,307 files. Among those files were numerous files which constitute child pornography.

I'm sure he'll be back on the streets tomorrow!111!111!!!!!11!!!eleventy

>>34171035
>why make it worse?
That's what we're asking you. They charge you for each individual image.

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>>34171051
>dis nigga thinks people dont lie their asses off under oath

He's fucked his social life is ruined and no one is ever going to give him a job as a convicted pedophile, I know I wouldn't. The only solution for him is to kill himself and just save everyone's time.

>FBI can decrypt TrueCrypt

Panic.

>>34171059
>1: obstruction of justice only counts if they can prove it was evidence, since your hard drive has not yet been confiscated they cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was anything incriminating on there, people wipe hard drives all the time
doesn't matter. you were instructed via court order to produce and you acted to obstruct it.

>2: it might only be a couple years for one over even more years for the other but at least with the other you are not on the national sex offender registry
not a couple more years. most pedos plea down to 1-3 year sentences, often they are sentences free of jail (but offender listing)

>3: why the fuck would you have CP on your computer you sick fuck
I wouldn't as I find the mere idea of it reprehensible.

>>34170832
>password
>required to obtain evidence
>same as telling the police where the body is

>>34170422 (OP)
If you actually read the article you'd realize that because the FBI managed to decrypt one of the drives, that provided the proof that was necessary to tie the drives to him - he's no longer covered under the 5th Amendment as he wouldn't be committing self-incrimination anymore.

tl;dr OP is a hyperbolic faggot. Though that isn't anything new.

>>34170653

1. Prisoners won't hate someone for "obstruction of justice." Many, however, set out to assault and even kill pedophiles.

2. Child pornography can carry a longer sentence than 20 years. A Florida judge sentenced a 26 year-old man who had never been in trouble before to life without parole for downloading CP.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/us/life-sentence-for-possession-of-child-pornography-spurs-debate.html

>>34171063
>Among those files were numerous files which constitute child pornography.
probably loli manga

US is that strict

>>34171085
edgy

>>34170851
Lol, no, they just have to say the word "pedophile" and watch all the soccer moms in the jury recoil in horror of you.

Trials are over after the opening statements; juries don't listen to anything after that. 90% of them make up their minds in the first ten minutes of the trial.

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If this fucker actually had CP on his drives, he deserves nothing less than death.

CP is an affront to humanity itself, and all who partake in it need to be liquidated with extreme prejudice, for the sake of the gene pool and the future of the human race.

>>34171108
> as he wouldn't be committing self-incrimination anymore.

What kind of logic is that?

>hurr give us the evidence so we can charge you with more crimes.

>>34171110
>living south of the mason dixon line
>expecting justice
Sorry, but if you expected Florida to have a fair justice system, you're sorely mistaken.

>>34170658
>amounts to perjury if you actually do know.
yes because pedophiles are above perjury

>>34171110
judging from the sentences people get on To Catch a Predator, they dont usually get that long even the ones that had their computer seized with cp on them only got 6months-5years

>>34171112
actually a recent ruling deemed those as ilegal as well. even artificial loli.

If he doesn't actually have the cheese then he won't do it because he has pirated copy-righted works.

>>34171170
Yea in Missouri. What i was referring to

>>34171097
then you fill a drive with normal non-incriminating info and back it up to an oversized thumb drive (hide it dude seriously it's like smaller than a quarter) and then you have your incriminating shit, you think they are finding you and you restore it and have all the empty areas on the HDD filled with random data (three times)

>>34170684
brain dissection

>>34171110

>No record of trouble
>Jailed for life without parole for fapping to CP

That's fucking wrong. He should have just gone full r@ygold, his life is fucked either way.

>>34171153
>implying that anyone with a brain doesn't lie their ass off
Bill Clinton was nearly thrown out of office for lying in court.

>>34170422 (OP)
>Rights and laws don't matter if the suspect is pedo.

works for me!

>>34171137
>What kind of logic is that?
I already explained it, if you could fucking read.

He wasn't forced to decrypt the drives in the previous order as the prosecutor could not prove the drives belonged to him as they had no access to it. Under the 5th Amendment he was under no obligation to decrypt the drives as that would prove he owned the drives and such he would be committing self-incrimination.

However because the FBI managed to decrypt one of the drives and found personal and financial information that proves the drives belong to him, it's no longer against the 5th Amendment for him to be forced to decrypt the drives as it's already been proven the drives belong to him.

lrn2fuckingread

>>34171097
>no direct evidence
>no convictarino

The judge knows this. He's a deuche.

>>34171129
MFW when I report you to the FBI cause your an extremist terrorist who doesn't like the FBI hosting CP sites.

>>34171137
That's not how the 5th amendment works.

The 5th amendment prevents the government from going fishing to find things to charge you with by making you tell them. If they already know that there is incriminating material present, you can't plead the 5th to avoid turning it in.

If a police officer walks into your room and sees child porn on your computer, but you lock and encrypt it before he gets to it, then he has probable cause and eyewitness testimony that you have illegal material. The judge is allowed to compel you to turn in the password / decryption keys.

If they think you may have child porn on an encrypted hard drive in your computer but nobody has any actual evidence or even reasonable cause for suspicion that this would be the case, they can't ask you to decrypt it for them so they can find things to charge you with.

>>34171214
Yeah, I did read it, dumbass. It's still self incrimination. He WILL be charged with extra crimes when they get the password to his other drives.

>>34171085
>convicted pedophile
I didn't know having a biological dysfunction was a crime. I never asked for this shit and if anyone finds out I will loose everything. It does not fucking matter that I never did anyone any harm because having these feelings alone invalidates you as a human being in the eye of the public. If anyone finds out my life is over. Imagine if your friends and family would drop you in an instant once they find out a simple fact about you that you are born with an unable to change. The anxiety is unbearable. Check your fucking privilege.

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>>34171110
>>34171139

>man gets life for downloading CP
>Casey Anthony found innocent(and gets an ABC sponsorship deal)
>Florida

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>>34171206
he didnt lie..he just miss interpreted the rules

>>34171245
see
>>34171240

>>34171085
If I owned a company, I'd give people like him a chance. That said, at the first sign of trouble they're gone.

Although I do understand why companies wouldn't want him.

>>34171124
Well what do you suggest then nigger? His life is FUCKED. If he goes to prison he'll probably get raped and murdered. Even if he ever gets out do you how damaging your reputation will become? Have fun becoming public enemy number one when all your neighbours want you dead and any time a child related crime occurs you'll be the number one suspect. What's worse is that all these trials is just wasting everyone's time and money and he's fucking stalling everything like a dumbass even though they already have incriminating evidence.

>>34171245
>It's still self incrimination
No, it's not. They can already prosecute him with the one hard drive alone. It's no fucking different than forcing someone to get their finger prints taken to match it to a knife or whatever.

You're letting your love pedophilia get in the way of rational though. The judge is completely in the right. His previous ruling was correct in not having the defendant be forced to decrypt his drives and his current ruling is correct as well.

>>34171269
at minimum wage

>>34171095
anyone can decrypt truecrypt with enough guesses, this moron obviously didn't have a 64 character password and two randomly generated keyfiles hidden on separate thumb drives in encrypted partitions with different 64 character passwords

remember the FBI has super computers at thier disposal, hell bitcoin might be helping them for all anyone knows, it could all be an elaborate ruse to build a super computer network off bitcoin miners to crack pedo passwords

also he had CP on the HDD which was his first mistake

This in no way violates the constitution.

>>34171298
Correct.

>>34171129
I take it that you are attracted to adult females. Image if the majority of the population would want to chop your dick off of fapping to naked pictures of them. Child abuse is fucked up, I agree, but denying Peods to get off to no-nude or loli is simply fanatic fascism. (Both is classified as CP)

>>34171291
Depending on the said business, maybe not minimum wage, but definitely a reduced salary.

>>34171252
>Casey Anthony found innocent
Burden of proof is on the state, and the state couldn't prove that to the jury.
Basic court, bro.

>>34171206
if only Monica Lewinsky was encrypted and only William Clinton had the key

>>34171259
Does not matter.

"No person... shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself."

I don't see anything about "Unless we have some evidence" here.

>>34171214
Yea they are mine but I forgot the fucking password.

>>34171251
Are you a fucking moron? THATS WHAT MY POINT WAS YOU TUMBLRFAGGOT!

>>34171281
>It's no fucking different than forcing someone to get their finger prints taken to match it to a knife or whatever.

Saying you found information and proving he knew about it being there or had control over it are two different things.

>>34171129
In Saudi Arabia its legal as long as theres grass on the field

Actually seems like a decent rule

>>34171035
>Why make it worse?

Precedence, if they make this one confess and give his password it would be easier to force the next one that may have a strong one.

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>>34171331
if the keys dont fit you must acquit

>>34171335
>Does not matter.
Yes it does. Go learn some basic fucking law.

>>34171343
They found his personal financial records on there - it's a proven irrefutable fact the drive belongs to him. That negates anything regarding the 5th Amendment. Jesus christ you're fucking retarded.

>>34171252
I'd like to point out that at the time of her trial she was only obviously a shitty mother, no one could prove that she killed her kid, when I was 3 and 4 (and up) I would dissapear for hours or days without telling my mom and be at a friends house, I know that if asked by the cops where I was she would have lied to them because she would be afraid they would take me away

>>34171338
So, you are basically saying that I should kill myself because I have zero chance of living a normal life?

>>34171240
If they already have an open and shut case, why do they need the decription?

>>34171381
>Yes it does
Cite the case where this was decided please.

>>34171240
>police officer thinks he saw cp
>now you have to show him thousands of pictures of Thai hookers who are all actually 18+

awkward

>>34171335
witness on the stand!= hand over an encryption key

It's like not giving them the password to your secured swiss bank accounts in a divorce.

>>34171381
They _claimed_ they found those files. They could be lying.

>>34171332
he did, the key was "cigar", pretty weak key if you ask me

>>34171335
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/04/24/1458203/federal-magistrate-rules-that-fifth-amendment-applies-to-encryption-keys

If it tells the government something they don't already know, it's self-incrimination.

If they already know the evidence exists, it's just a waste of time.

>>34171275
>If he goes to prison he'll probably get raped and murdered.
Confirmed for not knowing shit about prison. They'll give him solitary confinement because they know that would happen otherwise.

>Have fun becoming public enemy number one when all your neighbours want you dead
Where do you live? Were you molested as a child, son?

>>34171392
Because it's their job to provide all the evidence. Finding "some" means that there's "more," and they want to get all of it so they can make a complete and thorough case out of it.

>>34171401
That's why saving pictures is bad.