>starting obvious troll threads

>>34944619
>State two facts in green text
>Get called a troll thread

Trolling is when you post intentionally misleading shit to ruffle people's feathers. What I'm doing is more in line with shitposting.

>>34944657
Which I still won't support. You get a plus for honesty, though.

I used it for a few months, then purchased a licence for a reason still unknown to me, kept using it for another few months. And that is when I discovered vintage mode, and switched to Vim.

>>34944599 (OP)
top lel, that is fucking shit

>>34944876
Why? Sublime is better than Vim.

Seriously? $70? For a fucking text editor?

>>34947310
Kek

>>34947351
It's an IDE.

If you actually knew anything about doing professional work, you would know that most software is a lot more.

>>34947386
Is this how they legit justify this nonsense?

>>34947386
yea man, netbeans and eclipse sure cost a lot more

(Emacs || Vim) > Dog Shit > nano > Sublime Text

>>34947386
>It's an IDE.
>build tools aren't integrated
Do you even read what you write or do you just communicate by slapping your dick on the keyboard?

>>34947386
So is fucking vim and emacs.

>>34947386
Eclipse is free. Netbeans is free. Geany is free. Shit, visual fucking studio has a free (as in beer) edition these days.

This smacks of macfag-style "I paid lots of money for it, so it's better!"

What? Is Sublime an IDE? After all these hours writing plugins....and i never knew...damn.

>>34947386

The vast amount of professional work that is done in regards to programming is done using gratis and libre tools.

>>34947416
Why not pay for software that doesn't hinder your performance like Vim?

>>34947417
In regards to time, definitely. Eclipse was a bitch to set up and was extremely tedious to use.

>>34947462
Press control+B sometime.

>>34947464
Vim is a shit tier text editor used by hipsters who want to seem like hackers. It doesn't even have support for your mouse.

>>34947474
Pretty sure that free visual studio option isn't for professional use. Not that you would have any idea about professional work.

>>34947540
That's a shame. People could have been doing a lot more with their time if they just invested their money in their work a little.

>>34947600
>It doesn't even have support for your mouse.
It's called visual mode, but why use your mouse. Takes more time

>>34947600

>That's a shame. People could have been doing a lot more with their time if they just invested their money in their work a little.

For programmers FOSS is the practical choice. If you don't see that then I guess you're not a programmer.

>>34947600
>Vim is a shit tier text editor used by hipsters who want to seem like hackers. It doesn't even have support for your mouse.

Lies!

set mouse=a

Fixed

>>34947620
>why use your mouse. Takes more time
Spoken like a true neckbeard. Why not unplug your mouse for a day and see how much it speeds up your workflow then?

>>34947627
How on earth is it practical? Oh and are you seriously saying that Vim is the most used program at places like Microsoft and Google?

>>34947668
>important functionality hidden with shitty hidden settings
So user friendly!

>>34947627
>implying that anyone besides a minority of Vim users have ever looked at the Vim source code

>>34947724
>Google
um, yes?
even chrome OS ships with vi

>>34944599 (OP)
if it's so little fucking effort then why don't you do it yourself faggot

>>34947724
> Vim is the most used program at places like Microsoft and Google

But but they namechecked Vi on The Internship

>>34947742
>chrome OS ships with vi
Windows ships with Internet Explorer, that doesn't make it the best option.

>>34947753
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU

>>34947724
>>important functionality hidden with shitty hidden settings
>So user friendly!
gee, I sure wish I could pay $70 instead of spending 60 seconds on google to find out how to configure my software

>>34947532
It's a plain text editor with a bunch of plug-ins

>>34947724
>So user friendly!

You claimed it had no mouse support, now you claim about user friendly? How much have you tried VIM? 2 second and turned away?

I also believe that a minimalistic is better then a cluttered IDE with tons of stuff you never need. Way better.

>>34947733

You don't have to look at/modify the source to benefit from your program being developed in an FOSS style.

>>34947724

>and are you seriously saying that Vim is the most used program at places like Microsoft and Google?

Are you seriously saying that you think Microsoft make up the majority of programming done?

Also, protip: Lots of people at Google use Vim and Emacs.

>throw tantrum because i can't have 70 dollar text editor on my 70 dollar computer

>Spends hours coding on a computer worth atleast 1000$
>wont spend 70$ on a good editor.

>>34947854

>Spends thousands of hours editing text
>Won't spend a few learning to do so efficiently

>>34947438
>dogshit > nano

Christ I don't know how people use nano, it's supposed to be 'easier' but all it does is get in the way.

>Sublime text
>paying for a text editor
I even use TextWrangler over BBEdit becuase I'm paying for a goddamn text editor.

>>34947881

>Spends time learning VIM and modal editing.
>Funny fact: Uses VIM/Emacs (LISP), Sublime (Python)

ITT: One butthurt Sublime Text user tries desperately to rationalize his purchase.

look, all I am saying is that Jon Skinner makes a good text editor and doesnt afraid of nething

What can you do in Sublime that you can't in Emacs? Are key bindings better? There is no actual substance in this thread comparing Sublime to other free alternatives.

>>34948173
>Are key bindings better?
Someone post the pic for top keks.

>>34947973
>vim
>lisp
okay, so you're talking out of your ass
great

>>34948173

From using both Sublime and Emacs.
Facts:
1) Sublime is GUY and Emacs is CLI. So we are looking at overall two totally different layout.
2) Sublime uses Python (2.6 in 2 and 3.2 in 3), and Emacs uses LISP.

Now, Sublime looks much better then Emacs, no denial. Emacs IMO is hard for beginner to get into, mainly because of the package manager, and how the init files is (same applies for VIM).
But, because Emacs uses LISP, you can do tons of more funky stuff in Emacs in general. I can't think of any really god examples that is only possible with Emacs, but since emacs is older, you got better IDE-like tools for refactoring, code introspection etc.

>>34948264

I actually like the keybinds from VIM better so no. I am talking truth. I use VIM for Clojure development.

>>34948279
How the fuck did i spell GUY, meant GUI

>>34947967
nano is for quickly editing config files for those who don't know/don't want to learn Vim.

>>34944599 (OP)
how good is the Evil package for EMACS? I'm thinking in bitting the bullet.

How does it lend to the rest of the ecosystem?, let's say how the two get along
with the haskell-mode?

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>>34948279
>1) Sublime is GUY and Emacs is CLI.
Emacs has both Command and Graphical interfaces for essentially everything.

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Do people still buy Sublime Text?

ST is great.

>Cross-platform
>Usable out of the box
>Just install one extension - Package manager; it handles discovery and installation of all packages
>ST emulates Vim key-bindings
>Free as in free beer
>ST3 now open to public for free
>Incredible fast fuzzy matching and searching
>Looks great and has its own optimized GUI toolkit
>You can get the REPL plugin
>Supports CodeIntel, Linters and all kinds of IDE-like features
>Ctrl+Shift+P - Type in install and package name - Done installing
>Git, SVN integration via plugins
>Also, mark my words - In a few years, it will be GPL'ed after the developer stops development

I am not an ardent supporter of ST. I use both Vim and ST. I'm still in the process of choosing a text editor.

>>34948407
how creck???

>>34948407
They get all hopped up on the 'textmate + minimap' and loose their senses for about 48hours, then wake up in a daze covered in proprietary software licenses.

>>34948435
top lel

>>34947438
>nano > Sublime Text
Come on, man. Give credit where it's due.

>>34948419
>>Also, mark my words - In a few years, it will be GPL'ed after the developer stops development

I'll use it then, until then it's a $70 text editor and i'll just use VIM.

>>34948419
>>Also, mark my words - In a few years, it will be GPL'ed after the developer stops development
I'd be fine with this.

Also; i'd be willing to wager that the REPL plugin is worse than Emacs' SLIME or Geiser.

>>34948388
Is this the new expansion pack? It looks like ass

>paying
>sublime text
Seriously?

>>34948407
HOW FAGET TELL US?

>>34948421
>>34948495
Try a fucking torrent site for once in your life, god
It's not that hard

>>34948492
Exactly my thought.
>>34948407

>>34948419
So it's a temporarily proprietary Emacs clone with CUA keybindings by default?

>>34948397

No, it is still CLI, even with a standalone GUI. Everything is only text and ASCII colors.

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Enjoy.§

>>34948385
IIRC it shoudl support all the features of VIM. It is good enough, but there are small bugz that force you to turn off EVIL (ctrl-z). But i would reocmmend you to start with the EVIL package right off, else you will go back to Emacs keybinds.

>>34948513
But that's wrong and retarded.
it supports all kinds of graphical elements.
Also; learn the definition of COMMAND LINE INTERFACE.

>>34948531
ST3 is free now fgt.

>>34948385
>how good is the Evil package for EMACS? I'm thinking in bitting the bullet.
Pretty bad. Missing a shitload of stuff. Better than nothing, don't expect more than that.

>How does it lend to the rest of the ecosystem?, let's say how the two get along
with the haskell-mode?
It creates binding for emacs "events" so it works fairly well with other modes in most (but certainly not all) cases.

>>34948541
I was under the impression that Evil leaves the emacs keybinds alone.

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>>34948531
> not cracking your program so it actually shows your name
Shame on you /g/. I thought you would be able to do this easily.

>>34948565
It does, but if i start a nrepl (Clojure's repl), the cursor gets stuck behind the prompt. SOlution is to turn of EVIL inside the REPL

>>34948577
Seriously, how did you crack it?

BitTorrent only has the Build 3033 for Mac and Win x64.

>>34944657
The truth can be trolling if it's done to rile up a community.

If you go to the flat earth forums and tell them how stupid they are, you're trolling, even if it's the truth.

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All these unlimited licenses!

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>>34948590
Can you just disable it for certain modes in the customization interface?

>>34948577
>breaking copyright law like an entitled child
>for a text editor

>>34944599 (OP)
>$70 text editor
>implying anyone who knows what a text editor is doesn't know how to pirate one

next

>Sublime Text
>costing money
Do you complain about people who use winrar too?

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>>34948680
Please teach us :).

>>34948700
>copyright
>law
>being on /g/ and not loving stallman

0/10

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>>34948709
Why the fuck would you NOT complain about someone using winrar?

everyone here realizes that finding a crack for sublime text is extremely easy. Everyone also realizes that you can just use it and ignore the "unregistered" message that pops up?

>>34948700
> actually thinking I care
> caring that much about a text editor
pls gooby

>>34948731
OP is the one who started the thread with it's price, and insisted on arguing that point

None of the people in this thread must make money. I've made $70,000 since I started using ST2, and I spend 80% of my time in it at work.

>>34948822
wage? I also spend 80% of my time in ST2, but I've only made $5000 so far on my $15/hr job

>>34948822
Which has what to do with what text editor you've picked?

>>34948822
I've made just past $100k since I've started using ST2. I work at mcdonalds, by the way. Also, only part time.

>>34948944
It doesn't, but the fact that the price is utterly negligible compared to anything else makes this thread ridiculous.

>>34948822
My mom started to use ST2 last year and she only made about $70k part time so shes till working at Burger King.

>>34948994
And? Cost does not mean quality.

>>34948531

shit man, can you do the same for stylizer?

>>34948994
That's why I burn $1000 per month. It's such a negligible amount of money, why should I care that I'll never use it for something?

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>>34944599 (OP)
Upgrade to Vim.

>>34949089
ugly

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>>34949165
You have no idea what you're missing, man.

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>>34949089

>>34949598
>Line number too close to the margin
>File name at the bottom and not the top
>Horrible word wrap and its indicator
>(Lisp intera
>Need to use a s-expr for printing out a line

>>34949089
how do you get that vim status bar

>>34950209
Okay.

>>34950223
?

>>34947600
Vim is a minimalistic text editor from the days when you didn't have the type of power you do now. It was developed for use in terminals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vim_%28text_editor%29 It's not for hipsters, it exists and is used in large numbers today because it was the standard long ago and it has ingratiated itself into the community. That being said why the fuck would anyone pay $70 for an IDE? You can use a ton of free alternatives, but hey if you dig it, then it's worth your money.

I'm not a programmer. Why should I learn vim?

>>34950427

There really isn't a reason to. What do you need out of a text editor if you're not programming?

>>34950457
>What do you need out of a text editor if you're not programming?
I dunno. I very rarely have to use them to edit configuration files i guess. Sometimes I look at people's code at work. Thusfar i've just used notepad++ for it.

>>34950427
It's built into a lot of systems, so you won't have to worry about it not being there. Also it has a GUI/terminal mode so you should ALWAYS be able to use it.

>>34950497
Why not nano?

>>34950526
I've seen a few systems where nano didn't exist. I've never seen a system without Vim (or at least vi). Personal experience really, use whatever you want, people that argue about the tools to get the job done are fucking stupid. Results speak for themselves.

Why is this so hard for you /g/? Don't like it? Don't buy it? Enjoy it? Continue to enjoy. It doesn't need to be this difficult.

>>34950526
because based on the keyboard shortcuts its a gui editor crammed into cli.

vim has more appropriate keyboard bindings

>>34950186
The appearance works fine for me.
>Horrible word wrap and its indicator
What's wrong with it?
>(Lisp intera
What?
>Need to use a s-expr for printing out a line
Uh...no.

>>34947600
And what kind of "professional work" do you do?

>>34949598
M-x visual-line-mode
(global-visual-line-mode 1)

>>34951633
>What?
They're talking about your mode-line being cut off.

>>34947724
>why not unplug your mouse for day...
I actually never use my mouse on linux. I have a tiling wm w/ vim keybindings and all my programs use vim key bindings so I don't need a mouse. And I'm still faster than with a mouse.

>>34949089
why would you turn vim into emacs

>>34953588
How do you browse the web? Honest question, I'm using pentadactyl but I still find myself needing the mouse for flash and 4chanx image hover, and those occasional websites with mauled markup that fucks with the hints

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>>34944599 (OP)
Developers won't cross compile to ARM because nobody fuckig uses ARM anyway, only couple of poorfag retards.

>>34954415
>Someone uses something I don't.
>I'll call him a retard and utilize argumentum ad crumenam.

>>34950394
>it exists and is used in large numbers today because it was the standard long ago
But that's wrong. It's used and exists today because the restrictions back them forced devs to come up with an editor where it's both easy and extremely efficient to do every common operation, a restriction modern software is free of.
New-world restrictions are 'can the user do everything without reading the manual?' and 'does it look pretty?', and that's pretty much it.