>>33512731 has a point.

>>33513185
Indeed, we should focus in UI improvements by now. Once we have them, people will get interested in the project and we could do bigger things.

Are we really doing this?

bumping this

get a better logo design though

>>33513104 (OP)
I'm cloning your repos right now, I'm going to build it and see what's changed so far.

>>33513718

This project is like 15 hours old, so don't expect any changes.

>>33513758
to be honest, I don't expect much, so far.

>>33513718
Up to now, just the readme. Still discussing about what to do, and a couple of anons and two tripfag are already onto something.

I give it a week
just check out the dpt, nobody on /g/ can even program

to OP: you should adopt tripcode, so you can be distinguished from anons

>>33514005
This, but non-secure tripcode and no nickname, please, my assburgers will thank you.

>>33514005
I'll do. I've made both this and the previous thread, and also the comment that started it all.

I'm somewhat interested in contributing, but is there an IRC or any actual development goals.
I think my first patch should be replacing all brushes with peppers.

Make an IRC channel on Rizon if you want to collaborate.

Just to bump this thread, would someone explain to me what is the joke with green pepper? I've seen, but I don't get it.

>>33513718
Pretty much nothing.

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>>33514903
It's a brush that has been in GIMP since pretty much the beginning, but /g/ found out about it and it has become a phenomenon itself.

The bell pepper is /g/'s favourite vegetable.

>>33515033

I meant I've seen it on gimp and always thought it some devs' joke.

And then I've seen some pictures with that pepper and rms.

So is >>>/gd/62756 right?

Or are you guys actually going to code?

oh gee its like grand theft gentoo all over again

>>33513104 (OP)

>/g/ doing anything productive ever

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ha

Seriously though. Why do these projects always fail on 4chan?

>>33515129
Some anons/tripfags are talking about making some actual coding. I and many others are just giving suggestions in the hope that someone with actual coding skills makes them true.

Read the previous thread to know what is being actually done.

Why are the GIMP devs such autistic faggots who refuse to admit the fact they're literally only objective purpose and biasis for comparison is how good they can compete with Photoshop?

>>33515177
because it's 4chan nobody that comes here know how to program properly

>>33513104 (OP)
>Picman
>Pikmin
So a clusterfuck of micro managing retards who are just as likely to get themselves killed than do anything of use?
>implying im wrong

>>33515177
because things get difficult and there is no real incentive for doing something productive if there is no recognition. So when they run into problems, no skin of their back if they quit

>>33515177
1. thread about project created
2. people want to contribute
3. they move to IRC
4. IRC turns into a /soc/ shitfest
5. project wa mo shindeiru

>>33515177
Lack of traction. None of them managed to attarct enough developers to actually work on it. It should be noted that /g/ never started, as far as I know, a project that could have been actually useful for something or someone.

Until now, that is, because a Gimp that doesn't suck could actually be useful.

>>33515191

Here's what will happen:
>have good ideas
>get excited and plan out new features
>start coding happily
>run into real problems; things start to get hard and require actual skill
>everyone quietly gives up and the project dies

Enjoy your waste of time and inevitable failure.

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>>33515033
>The bell pepper is /g/'s favourite vegetable.
Why wouldn't it be? Bell peppers are delishus. I love adding sliced bell peppers to my pizza.

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>Picman
Step it up /g/. That's the best you can come up with?

>>33515298
Have any ideas?

Why not make something useful though? Why not join forces and create something? I'm not necessarily talking about this Gimp fork. Anything. Something useful, that we can show off.

I dislike the name.

>>33515298
It's simple, sounds good and tells what the program is about (Picture Manipulation). What's wrong with it?

>>33515314
GWF (GIMP Without Furries)

>>33515321
A Gimp that doesn't suck IS useful.

>>33515321

4chan is not for being productive and doing useful things. How new are you?

>>33515342
I have to admit, I chuckled.

>>33515321
What do you mean by "useful"?

remember intallgento.org? Grand Theft Gentoo? all /g/ projects end up in the trash can.

>>33515364
Anything. A tool, a game, anything.

>implying I won't immediately begin to add subtle malicious code if this project becomes remotely successful
>implying anyone working on this will be skilled enough to find it

top lel /g/

>>33515194
And this is the very reason I want this to succeed. Wheter they like it or not, being as good as Photoshop IS the target.

>>33515314
G2IMP
Gen2 Image Manipulation Program

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"That name is a shining example of the misogyny rampant in the technology community. Why PicMAN? What about the womyn? Why is 'MAN' bold? Does this symbolize the masculine dominance these so-called 'developers' are proud of? Boy, I feel for Adria Richards, having to put up with one of the pillar industries of the patriarchy."

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>>33513104 (OP)
gman

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>>33515477
Love Pixar ffilms? How do you feel knowing they were rendered with RenderMAN?

>>33515477
If that EVER happens, I swear, I'm going to plunge MY pillar SO much down her throat she'll get hemorroids.

>>33515418
Anything useful you say?
mmm
/g/entoomen, I have a proposition
a terrifying proposition.
as you are all well aware 4chan is a central hub of knowledge and up-to-date information
sadly this is a spider-thin hub wrapped in thousands of layers of shit

I propose: a means of searching though each new thread on every board, we look for keywords and prioritize them by what keywords they have. Then we download them and sort them by relevance, news goes in one, investments advice goes in another, all with bullshit filtered out.

this concentrated burst of 4chan would run continuously, like an archive but specifically tailored to our needs, as we get up to the minute news about literally everything, terrorisms, jokes, videogames, technology, investments advice, we could make millions my friends

it would be our machine, our internet hate machine which does our will

>>33515372
>Grand Theft Gentoo
There is actually a working version of that game. Sure, it's alpha, but you can't deny that /g/ did deliver this time.

>>33515554
you mean the catalog search?

>>33514806
This but with freenode

>>33515477
PicMAN is not that bad of a name, now that I think about it. In fact, I'm starting to like it.

>>33515589
Definitely freenode. It's where all the cool FOSS projects hang out.

>>33515565

Because that was nothing important.

But I seriously hope that this project will work. Unfucking GIMP would be great.

>>33515587
you have to manually sort through a catalog search and it doesn't save individual post/replies just whole threads, nor does it filter out everything you hate, also is there a /b/ archive? I think there would be a legal issue for that

I'm talking about a program on your computer that has a downloaded and pre-filtered list of threads or reply-chains (within threads but without everyone elses posts) boiled down to their most basic components you would be able to go through everything at a rapid pace, no trolls, no bullshit, no cp, no apple threads

and it would all be pre-sorted and available at your leasure

GIMP is already bloated as fuck, and it would be easier to just start from scratch if /g/ wants to finally make a non-shit image editor.

Has anyone posted on Redddit (/r/programing, /r/linux, /r/graphicdesign, etc.) yet to see if they will lend us a helping hand? I remember people here saying they were going to do it.

>>33515659
so essentially you want to ddos 4chan?

>>33515674
Then gather around a team of developers, fork it, and remove the code you don't want.

>>33515686
No. It seems no one has an account there and no one wants to make it.

I would but I've been up two days straight now, and I can barely understand what I'm writing.

>>33515722
>I would but I've been up two days straight now, and I can barely understand what I'm writing.
Why aren't you getting some sleep, man?

>tfw helped invent pepper meme in original pepper dubs thread

why 'pic' is written in a slightly thinner font than 'man'
it disturbs me

>>33515722

Then get some sleep and make it after.

>>33515775
Because it's a PICture MANipulator, and when you "manipulate" a picture, it will be "improved".

>>33515722
Yeah, you should really get some rest if you're that deprived.

PIMP
Picture & Image Manipulation Program

So nobody is going to create an IRC channel?

>>33515825
This

>>33515812
imo you would better write it like "PicMAN" but in the same font -_-

>>33515745
I should really thinking about getting a tripcode... I'm >>33514699

I started the whole thing, bumped every thread when it was stagnant, begged for someone to make a logo and a Git repo, made the thread on /gd/, started posting the issues on the Git and edited the readme.

It was a tough job but it had to be done.

>>33515825
>>33515849

What;s the difference between "picture" and "image"?

>>33515892
wut, why didn't you create git yourself

>>33515880
youdontunderstandmodernmuhnimalismasspacesandcapsdontexist

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>>33515722
Go to bed, Joel. Go to bed before you find your face flat on your keyboard.

>>33515892
Good. Now get some shut-eye and you can resume later.

>>33515916
'cos the best I can do with coding is ricing my desktop. No one would take it seriously if I had made it, so I waited for someone with actual coding knowledge to make one.

I'm not doing this for myself, but because I think that an unfucked Gimp would benefit to the free software world.

>>33515909
Who cares? PIMP it is!

>>33515909
it's a tautology
it doesn't really have to make sense

>>33515928
I find black eyes really unattractive.

>>33516021
>tautology
If it was a bi-implication. Not with an and operator.

>>33515966
Thank you anon. It's 2am here and I'm about to collapse.

I don't really like the idea of using a tripcode, but here's the one I'm going to use for everything Picman related. See you later, anon.

>>33516124
look up tautology, man

>>33515686
Is there really no one with a Leddit account here?

>>33516363
doesn't 4chan hate reddit, or is it just the more aggressive boards like /b/ and /k/?

>>33516363
I have a Rezzit account. I was thinking about linking to the github's wiki homepage as it contains what I think would be a nice introduction:

https://github.com/green-pepper/picman/wiki

>>33516351
I had fucking 3 exams in this shit. Don't question me!

True when both false or true. True because neither can be true while the other false since P = I. There's your fucking tautology.

>>33513104 (OP)
Seariously? Gimp? Why not make a fork of something better like Chromium and make it customizable and shit

>>33516383

Only newfags (2011+) like reddit.

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What will the target userbase be for Picman? Will it be intended for use by professionals? Prosumers? Consumers?

>>33516432
Act accordingly, person who happen to sexually like his same gender.

>>33516471
So much cancer in this post.

>>33516468
Gimp needs it. Chromium doesn't, there's Firefox for customizability. Of course, if you really want to fork Chromium, it's up to you

>>33516481
Prosumers. It shall rival Photoshop, nay, obliterate it!

>>33516449
You're talking about a logical tautology, not about a linguistic one.

>>33516481
Same as Photoshop, I think. Except this would be free, both as gratis and as respecting your freedom.

>>33516481
That girl's cute. Who is she?

>>33516523
This is why I'm master race and you're not.

>>33516545
If you say so.

>>33516511

Yeah, 2011 isn't a good cuttoff. 2009 is better.

I've never worked on a project with a lot of folders before, but I'll give my best shot at it even though I'll probably suck ass.

What are you guys planning on fixing?

>>33515825
>>33515909
Maybe it should be photo and not picture. Photo (to me) implies a photograph taken with a camera, while image is much broader and can refer to original content

>>33517310
https://github.com/green-pepper/picman/issues

Feel free to add other suggestions, if you want.

>>33517665
Oh nice, by the way, if I download and install this one, will it over-write my GIMP? Or will it be installed as a new software?

I'm a professional graphic designer with an interest in UI design. If it's a UI overhaul you want, I'm your man. I can design but like hell if I'm coding it, especially seeing as it's GTK.

>>33517773
Go for it.

>>33517773
Do it and post yout idea in >>33517665

Maybe someone will code it.

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>>33517773
Hey, I've been working on a mockup myself. It's rough and very incomplete, but what do you think?

Note that single window mode is disabled in this mockup since it's running on OS X. Other platforms (Linux, Windows) would probably have single window mode on by default.

>>33517953
macfag plz leave

>>33517953
I like it. I really like it. You are very talented.

It would be nice to make the ui more like 2.6, I don't like the new one
It makes it harder to choose the size of brushes and stuff.
Also, it would be good to go back to just being able to save something, instead of having to export it even when it's to the same format

>>33518100
stfu we're trying to work here

>>33518596
took me a while to figure this out but the tools options dialog is on the other window under the layer controls (like srsly wtf???)

>>33513104 (OP)
>picMAN
misogynist
Why not Picwomyn?

>>33517689
The only change so far is the readme. So yes.

Maybe later no. Post a request to split off the configuration and setup directory to another place. Maybe somebody will do it.

Have you guys set up who's going to compile it for windows? I understand it's not easy.

>try to make coreutils
>fails
>try to make game
>fails
>implying you can make a gimp fork

>>33519354
>Try to make coreutils
When? And gtg hasn't failed (yet...).

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>>33517953
Man, this is time consuming. Did some tweaks on icon spacing and made some progress on the layers palette.

>>33519622
I'm getting hard just by seeing this.

>>33519622
This looks good, I suggested yesterday that tool icons should be monochrome instead of coloured as colour icons distract. What's your take on it?

>>33519932
Yeah, that's what I had in mind. In the dark theme they'll be white while with the light theme they'll be black/dark grey.

PKGBUILD where?

>>33519622
It runs on OS X.
>will never ever use

>>33520116
>most Gtk things run on OS X
>most Qt things run on OS X
>most textmode things roun on OS X
You're going to be stuck with proprietary Motif binaries at this rate kid.

>>33520116
That's dumb, because a lot of stuff runs on OS X and if you limit yourself to using only stuff that has no OS X port, you're not going to be left with a lot. You'll be thrown straight into Obscurity City Limits.

>>33520116
Shut up, he said it will run on everything, and not only that, but that it will run single-windowed on other OSes.

>>33520116
Who are you quoting?

>>33520037
Excellent. I know GNOME 3.6 can enable dark theme by flipping a toggle in gnome-tweak-tool, so you have to assume some users will do it. Plus, IIRC Photoshop is dark theme and that seems to work well.

>>33517953
>tfw we have a macfag graphical designer working on the UI
OK seriously, don't fuck this up /g/. I'll even whip up a custom Debian spin with Picman installed and call it Tidux or TidOS or CostanzaLinux or whatever if you guys can hit your feature goals.

How about Ungimped. Better than Picman.

>>33520166
You

>>33520174
Yes, Photoshop CS6 is dark (not black, but a dark grey), and I think it is a good idea as it is good for your eyes if you are in a dark environment. It is also good if you are in a bright place.

>>33520207
>Tidux or TidOS or CostanzaLinux
My fucking sides.

>>33519622
There is no need for "blend" label.

>>33520405
Yeah I was debating that. Experienced users will know what the menu is for the moment they see "normal" as the default selected option, but I was thinking about new guys.

It'd free up space for a lock menu too, so I think I'll do it.

>>33520207
Make it an Arch respin so you can

 pacman -S picman 

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>>33520720

>>33515466
Somebody give this man a fucking award

>>33515466
>Generation 2 Image Manipulation Program
>Gentoo Image Manipulation Program
OH YES!

If you guys really plan to do this, you gotta learn some Vala, because it's the better option for interaction with the GIMP C Codebase while not going insane with GimStruct* strc = (foo) func(&var, args, *point)

>>33521560
That's just terrible, stop samefagging.

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the most important thing you need to change

fix this shit please

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>>33521991
How? You just don't get the point.

nofunallowed.png

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Finished the layers panel. That's all for tonight, will tackle the toolbox tomorrow.

can you move it to Qt

>>33522230
wasn't following thread, is there a mock up of final design?

>>33513104 (OP)
>hundreds of suggestions by fifty people
>two actual programmers that kind of suck

>>33522331
This pls.

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>>33522027
Are freetards even trying?

>>33522408
I agree, if for nothing else because Qt uses the system save/open panel instead of that shitty gimped GTK one.

>>33522408
>>33522331
Go try Krita, faggots

>>33522230
I love you. Will you mary me?

>>33522449
We want Qt, not half or more the fucking K Desktop Environment

>>33522392
>Kind of suck
>A guy making an actual functional UI redesign
Why don't you code something better then?

>>33522478
>>33522449
Qt ports much more elegantly to other platforms than Gtk+

>>33522487
Don't mean to burst your bubble, but I'm the UI guy and what I've been posting have been mockups, it's not functional. I'll still need someone to implement it.

>>33513104 (OP)
Why a fork? The GIMP is they way it is because of a lack of developers. Just write patches for mainline GIMP.

>>33522570
No, it's because the developers are stubborn asshats. There have been attempts to improve it but they always shit on it throw it out.

They even hired a designer for UI advice and then promptly trashed said advice.

>>33522638
this actually explains a lot

>>33522560
I guess it's not hard to implement the functionality as long as you left space to link the functions to them. The only problem we may have is that we need to study the GIMP code to know what and how to link them.

>>33522638
It was probably poor advice then. I could imagine that GIMP devs delete several 'HURR JUST MAKE IT MORE LIKE MUH PHOTOSHOP' emails every day.

>>33522797
i send them an email with the subject: "make gimp less shitty plz" every day

hasn't worked

>>33522797
They do. GIMP's plan are:
Finish porting to GEGL (This enables CMYK, 16 bit, etc)
Implement Multiple Layer Operations properly
New scaling algorithms
Implementing MyPaint's brushlib (fixing the pressure and settings problem with brushes, and improving the support for drawing)
Porting to GTK+ 3

>>33523034
why aren't they:
fix all the goddamn bugs
make it useable

>>33523137
That's a short definition of what i said, but yes, basically that

>>33523034
>Implementing MyPaint's brushlib
Aw man, do want. MyPaint's brush engine is amazing.

>>33523137
It is usuable, you just want it to be like Photoshop. Name an actual bug.

>>33523235


>>33522027

>>33523219
Try gimp-painter, it's awesome. I have concerns over the C++ brushlib, and i hope they rewrite it instead of adopting it, but meh, a better brush engine is needed

>>33523235
I want a more easily configurable UI (specially if it can be completely modular). Could it be? Because the GIMP devs rejected a patch that added a top frame to add some tool boxes them if you wanted just because Photoshop also had the ability to put things horizontally in the top part of the window.

>>33523235
every time i use it, something stupid happens

>>33523253
That's not a bug. The move tool moves the layer. You need a floating selection if you want to move it. The only reason why you expect it to work without a floating selection is because you've used Photoshop.

GIMP devs are actually working on removing the concept of floating selections though, so they might actually change it to work they way you want soon, but they need more developers to make that happen. Making a fork is still pointless.

>>33523335
PEBKAC.

I do not have this problem.

>>33523267
It would be nice if they collaborated with MyPaint on a shared brush engine.

Problem found: GIMP devs spend more time defending stupid design decisions on message boards than fixing said stupid design

>>33523402
Unlikely. There's much more people in this thread than full time GIMP developers.

>>33523235
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=GIMP&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED

>>33523556
I know how to use a bug tracker, Anon. I'm asking about bugs that affect you and that this project supposedly aims to fix. Most of the things on that page are feature requests, not bugs.

>>33523335
You're dad said that the night he refused to use a condom and you were conceived.

>>33523943
I think you messed that up.

>>33523556
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=GIMP&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=normal

I actually like Gimp. If you somehow manage to make it even better, that's pretty cool.

>>33526322
Let's just hope this doesn't fail.

Keep the thread bumped.