are you dying because its true???

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>>34678066

>>34678025 (OP)

http://www.slideshare.net/endrazine/defcon-hardware-backdooring-is-practical

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ive heard /pol/ was backward as fuck, but they hate stallman? what's the logic behind that?

>>34678138
Wtf did I just read?

>>34678138
>Malware that requires the BIOS, network card to be flashed and a bootkit run remotely
What? How is that the same thing as Intel tracking you?

>>34678251
he's a jew, /pol/ is really stormfront and hates jews

>>34678251
>>34678301
It's more like Stormfront invades /pol/.

>>34678301
ridiculous considering how promarket he is, and im assuming 99% of pol are internet libertarians

>>34678025 (OP)
>op thinks this is funny
I have news for you chuck. This is real.

>>34678344
>implying anyone needs your bios to track network traffic when ISPs are giving it up left and right

>not being red pilled yet
Question everything.

OK /g/ that thread was ridiculous but we need to talk about something I discovered years ago back when we were all still using XP

So I was trying to turn the normal 3.5GB Windows XP installation into something much smaller, like about 500MB. I got to using nLite (is that correct) or something and I was able to basically get into XP and take away whatever I didn't like. In the middle of configuring my custom XP installer, I found something... It said there's a feature in XP where all your activity is sent back to Microsoft HQ (for usage tracking purposes). This wasn't new to me because I'd been sending my own usage stats to Mozilla voluntarily (using Firefox). What shocked me was that this "feature" in XP tracked all your stats automatically and they didn't say a fucking thing about it. It was hidden in the OS and so far I still haven't seen any online discussions about it at all (even among those who I sought for help with the custom XP installer configuration.

So /g/ have you heard this? That was really bizarre to me when I found out about it on my own. I think I just went on with my installation and forgot about it... but then as you can see I didn't really forget about it. So what the hell was that?

>>34678363
That's when you clicked "don't send" to the error messages in winxp.
they think you're a terrorist cause you dont want to send error reports (cause they contain personal info)

Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?

That sounds preposterous to me.

If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.

Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.

Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.

I think you need to re-examine your assumptions.

>/pol/

>>34678392
but those were error message though

the thing I found in XP while configuring my installer said something about tracking shopping habits through web browsing or something like that, and I figured that must somehow tie in to the fact that IE is bundled. I would be cool because I actually UNINSTALL IE immediately after every Windows installation, however I vaguely recall there being mentioned something about tracking a user's actual Internet-related activities.

I remember being frozen for a good 5-10 minutes just staring at my screen then when I first saw it before I moved on

>>34678421
>>>/pol/res/15735523#p15738210

You'd be able to see the traffic on your router, and it would cause a massive international shitstorm if true.

It's not true

So the solution is to make some open source hardware NIC cards. Problem solved.

Ethernet is an open standard and old as fuck

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Guys, I do my patriotic duty before clearing my history.

>>34678280

it's similar

>>34678301
>>34678326

no, that's just the reputation because it's a free-for-all

some stormfags but mostly not

>>34678354

>muh boxxy

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>>34678559

>>34678344
Yea, okay, where is the proof this exists?

>>34678138
>tfw feds go to defcon to steal ideas

>>34678521

yes it is

>>34678603

where was the proof the NSA snooped everything before Snowden?

>>34678632
Let's go back to 2005 shall we?

>>34678578
boxxy is the best thing to come out of this cancerous cesspool

>>34678625
>yes it is

Yeah, no, do you have any idea how fucking of a security problem that would be for every government on earth? Do you think the U.S. government would let all their unclassified non-uber secret departments use backdoored intel hardware (which could be reversed to be spied on by others)?

It's like saying the NSA has a backdoor in AES (which also has zero proof or logic). They'd be fucking shooting themselves in the foot because THEY USE THE FUCKING SHIT *OFFICIALLY* FOR EVERYTHING and it's very likely Suite A cyrpto is also just AES with perhaps a few tweaks, or just literally plain ole AES plus obscurity

>>34678677
except she's the cause.

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>>34678441
I bet you still use Windows today on your computer

>>34678718
why would i use anything else? i don't have a supercomputer in my house and OSX is only worthwhile on laptops

>>34678718
ogod help me anon ;_;

but seriously what distro is best suited for a ThinkPad T60? I wanna know so I can look into ti

>>34678743
windows 7 professional

>>34678632
There were many people's eyewitness testimony. You need to learn the difference between speculation, testimony and fact.

There is no fact about BIOS spying features, only speculation.

>>34678677

>muh female idol

>>34678756
>butthurt

>>34678251
RMS is jewish.

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>tfw Windows 7
>tfw conspiriturd
>tfw always using flagged words
>tfw pic related

..........and wow it's fucking nothing.

>>34678689

>implying the governments we'd be worried about don't cooperate already

plus, if we know about it we can plan accordingly - ie. keep actually important shit offline

this isn't complicated

>>34678743
Try Ubuntu with Xfce, otherwise you can try something like Fedora or Debian

>>34678752

it always starts that way

>>34678779
>governements
>cooperating on black ops/intelligence shit
top lel

only a tiny handful, like the jews and USA.

you'll never seen usa/china/russia working together

>>34678761

>married with kids

>>34678805
>butthurt

>>34678799

not russia, but you'd be surprised about china

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>>34678727
>the thing I found in XP while configuring my installer said something about tracking shopping habits through web browsing or something like that, and I figured that must somehow tie in to the fact that IE is bundled. I would be cool because I actually UNINSTALL IE immediately after every Windows installation, however I vaguely recall there being mentioned something about tracking a user's actual Internet-related activities.
Enjoy your PRISM, I know the NSA do.

>>34678789
I never could like Ubuntu enough to just do work in it but I haven't used Xfce with it before. Thanks I'll go check the other ones too.

>>34678825
>tinfoil

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>>34678840
I enjoy being hunted. It's very liberating.

>>34678301
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uFMMXRoSxnA#t=259s
He isn't jewish.

>>34678823
why'd snowden go to china then

>>34678812

no, really not

>>34678933

because he's naive, but that was obvious to begin with, otherwise he wouldn't have leaked in the first place

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MFW THE ENTIRE /pol/ THINKS THAT

holocaust never happened
hitler is a good guy

>>34678919

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman

>When asked if he was Jewish, Stallman said he was "an atheist but of Jewish ancestry

>>34678936
>butthurt

>>34678331
You need to realize that /pol/ is kind of like the short bus

>>34678301
>>34678326

edomite, please.

>>34678951

but we don't

stormfags are a loud minority - they influence is overstated precisely because nobody would tolerate them anywhere else - shocking opinions stand out

>>34678919
He has jewish ancestry, that doesn't mean he cares about it. There's nothing about him that implies that he believes in jewish superiority. He doesn't care for religion and certainly doesn't promote a lavish lifestyle for himself.

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Stop shitting up /pol/ with your troll tech threads, /g/

>>34678978

see >>34678936

>>34678993

lulz, exactly the opposite

i used to hang out on /sci/, /lit/, and of course /b/ - /pol/ is far and away the oldest board of any of them and the most intelligent

you just have to ignore the stormfags and libertarian kiddos

>>34678948
Naive about what? He knew very well that the NSA would have him hunted. He chose Hong Kong because of its long history of freedom.

>>34679056
>butthurt

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>>34679077

>>34679089
>butthurt

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>>34679077
>>34678978
>>34678812
>>34678761

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/05/15/intel-small-business-advantage-is-a-security-nightmare/

>>34678752
30 years ago everyone who mentioned mkultra was labeled a crazy conspiracy theorist.. to this day the same reaction occurs. meanwhile the declassified documents showing that mkultra actually existed have been released.

>why would the government ever lie to us
>after all, we elected them
so many plebs in this world

>>34679103
>butthurt

>>34678799
it would seem that russia is actually the good guys and we are living in darth vaders empire

Anyone who sees and paints a sky green and fields blue ought to be sterilized.

-Adolph Hitler

>>34679058

he was naive to believe it was a bad thing in the first place

he was naive to think he would be safe in hong kong or china

china and the US are essentially allies

>>34679117

the funny thing is he's not even replying to the same person anymore

and /pol/'s the short bus?

really /g/?

>>34679147
>butthurt

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>>34679128
>russia is actually the good guys

Try again. But you're right about the modern West being the Empire.

>>34679108
It's certainly possible that the government abuses its power to control society in evil ways. I can accept that. My point is that people need to learn to distinguish between hard facts, testimony, and speculation.

It's all very well that the illuminati are lizard people and that some people have seen them before, but where is public autopsy that demonstrates beyond all reasonable doubt regarding lizard people? There is none, it's only speculation. I apply this logic to conspiracy theory: unless you are witness, you are merely speculating.

>>34679163

>butthurt

>>34679137
Is it a good thing to hide evidence of an overreaching abuse of power? PRISM's legality doesn't change the fact that it is well within the realm of evil government activity.

It's true that China and US are allies and that there is the chance the Chinese will officially hand over Snowden. It's hard to find any other place on earth that isn't strongly influenced by the US government and also protects their citizens/political dissidents. I don't know many places better than Hong Kong.

>>34679344

i don't give a fuck about the legality

it's morally correct

it's read your email (and this convo) or get blown the fuck up

> there is the chance the Chinese will officially hand over Snowden.

honestly I don't know that the NSA will even bother either way. the fact that this got out won't change the greater landscape

>>34679318
>butthurt

>>34679449

>butthurt

>>34678750
wait I have ultimate on right now

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>>34679410
So Snowden is naive because you believe that the government is right to spy on their own citizens without warrant?

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>>34679410
>it's morally correct

>>34679487

it's that or get blown the fuck up

you think you're going to be free if/when the market collapses, martial law, hysteria, etc.?

>muh privacy

>MY MOM READ MY DIARY AND *TOTALLY* RUINED MY LIFE

grow up kid

>>34679481

>butthurt

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>>34679509
>THE TURRISTS GON GET ME BETTER GIVE UP MY RIGHTS
You can't be serious.

>>34679509
Why is the US so fragile that all it takes is a couple of bombs to put it into total market collapse/martial law/hysteria?

>>34679556
the best country on earth is a well oiled machine, anything amiss and its fucked

If the NSA has spent billions of dollars on monitoring terrorist activity at home and abroad, and they consider Snowden's leak "an act of terror," then why weren't they able to catch him before he released top secret information?

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Quick reminder that /g/ is this man best friend. Thats all i need to say.

>>34679532

you're an idiot faggot

this board is dildos

>>34679493
>>34679545

>muh rights
>muh privacy
>muh diary

>>34679556

human psychology; plus we're not talking a few bombs. we're talking a nuke in a major city, or something equivalent

related?

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/nuclear-hellstorm-if-bin-laden-is-caught-or-killed-al-qaida-101330

check the article date (for the lulz) - less than a week before bin laden was reported killed

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>>34679574
Wow. If that's how things are in the US, I don't want to stay here anymore. I have no desire to live where the society is so close to collapse.

>>34679613
>butthurt

But guys, you need these programs to prevent another Boston!
You know, like how Boston was prevented.

>>34679645

>wasting this much time
>being this homosexual

>>34679660

they were brothers - they planned it offline

>>34679671
>butthurt

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>>34679613
>>muh rights
>>muh privacy
>>muh diary
Yeah, fuck the Bill of Rights, who needs that shit?

Hey, even if you think these measures are absolutely necessary to protect us from the spooky boogeymen terrorists, don't you think we should have been told about it in the first place? Don't you think we should have voted on something like this?

You have to admit that the fact that they were hiding this program from the public is a LITTLE shady.

>>34679689
I don’t remember where, but one of the news channels/papers actually had someone use that as an argument.

>>34679704

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>>34679710

>muh pieces of paper

>don't you think we should have been told about it in the first place?

that would defeat the purpose, god damn moron.

if we told the american people we would be telling the terrorists too. then they would avoid computers/telephones

>Don't you think we should have voted on something like this?

>muh popularity contest

>You have to admit that the fact that they were hiding this program from the public is a LITTLE shady.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classified_information

>>34678718
That Stallman was so utterly correct in all of his predictions is one of the great tragedies of our time.

>>34679743
>butthurt

>>34679723

the concept is the same - to prevent terrorism

just not in this specific case obviously

>/pol/ seriously believe that questioning literally everything and believing in baseless conspiracy theories while posting funny pictures of jews is "redpilling"

>>34679576
I don't know.

When I heard about PRISM my first thought was, why didn't it stop Boston?

Then at some point you come to realize these people don't want to stop terrorism at all, they are the terrorists.

>>34679795

keep posting

>>34679220
The risk of hardware exploits is high enough to warrant its own threat division in the intelligence community. Surely you don't believe American hardware is exempt from such concerns?

>>34679775
So granting an unlimited, unwarranted and unaccountable use of power to the government is more important than citizens' freedom. Seems totally legit

>>34678025 (OP)

"Are you saying that this linux can run on a computer without windows underneath it, at all ? As in, without a boot disk, without any drivers, and without any services ?

That sounds preposterous to me.

If it were true (and I doubt it), then companies would be selling computers without a windows. This clearly is not happening, so there must be some error in your calculations. I hope you realise that windows is more than just Office ? Its a whole system that runs the computer from start to finish, and that is a very difficult thing to acheive. A lot of people dont realise this.

Microsoft just spent $9 billion and many years to create Vista, so it does not sound reasonable that some new alternative could just snap into existence overnight like that. It would take billions of dollars and a massive effort to achieve. IBM tried, and spent a huge amount of money developing OS/2 but could never keep up with Windows. Apple tried to create their own system for years, but finally gave up recently and moved to Intel and Microsoft.

Its just not possible that a freeware like the Linux could be extended to the point where it runs the entire computer fron start to finish, without using some of the more critical parts of windows. Not possible.

I think you need to re-examine your assumptions."


MY SIDES ARE FUCKING GONE!

>>34679793
I see people complaining about their technology all the time. They complain about things that RMS has addressed decades before but if I point it out the specifics and the logic, then who am I to control their freedom to choose?

>>34679837

how free are you when nukes start going off?

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>>34679775
You don't seem to understand the point of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. You have this idea that if we don't violate the cornerstone of our democracy, then sand people are going to kill everybody in the US. You're allowing yourself to be manipulated by media hype.

>if we told the american people we would be telling the terrorists too. then they would avoid computers/telephones
It wouldn't make a difference if the terrorists knew that we had this program. It (might) stop them from using the internet and other forms of communication for a little while, but after a couple of cases of people getting arrested, they'd probably just find another way to carry out their operations. This program doesn't even guarantee security, and it sacrifices our rights.

You clearly don't care about your rights. Sorry, but others do.

>>34679837
Yes. It's said often because it's true: A good citizen, a proper notshit notretarded human being has nothing to hide. Privacy is needed only by criminals.

>>34679837

shit nigger, you wouldn't even know about this program if you hadn't read about it in the press

that's how little it actually directly affects you (besides keeping you safe)

>>34679899
If he had decided to run for president or for congress on a platform of limited (federal) government, then the internal agencies could easily leak specific metadata to slander his reputation and ruin him.

>>34679948

and?

>>34679948

doesn't mean they would

they wouldn't have to

ron paul got smoked

a majority of the country supports the NSA program

>>34679979
>a majority of the country supports the NSA program
No they don’t

Also: reminder that the US also engages in industrial spying as found by EU reports and Chinese counter-allegations

>>34679979
>doesn't mean they would
You're kidding, right?
If a new JFK-like politician appeared (in terms of a thorn in the side of federal agencies), one dedicated to lowering the powers of unrestricted federal agencies, they would break him the moment he appeared popular.

>>34679983
100% depends on how you phrase it. You could get a 99% against breathing air by phrasing it correctly.

>>34679830
It's tricky for a BIOS to send out information without network access by wire or by radio. You can detect radio signals and you can also detect network activity. The only feasible spying method I can consider is if the BIOS stored the information locally so that an agent will come along and retrieve the data from it.

>>34679979
>doesn't mean they would
If he looked like he could be successful? They damn well would. American shadow bureaucrats are not special; they can and will use subterfuge towards their own ends just like those of any other country or institution.

Americans are somewhat far more competent at it than most, of course.

>>34679805
>butthurt

>>34679805
Butthurt

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All of you cunts saying that rights don't matter and that you NEED TO FEEL SAFE WHATEVER THE COST, why don't you just move to North Korea? Seems like it would be your idea of paradise.

>>34679983

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/06/11/190638738/pew-majority-of-americans-support-nsa-phone-tracking

>>34680047

if a politician posed a threat, then the intelligence community would do what they had to

>>34680059

keep posting

>>34680093

it's not "whatever the cost" - it's reading your diary, get over it baby

>>34680142
>butthurt

>>34680142
>NPR
>an accurate representation of Americans

Fuck I hate all the ZOG/OWG controlled polls. Yes Gallup is biased you fucking retards.

>>34680165

keep wasting your time

>>34680177

>all polls are biased

sure, idiot

then what do you base your claim on? your feelings?

>>34680179
>butthurt

>>34680191

keep posting

>>34680204
>butthurt

>>34679805
>butthurt

>>34680142
>if a politician posed a threat, then the intelligence community would do what they had to
I am pretty mad right now.

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>>34680142
>it's not "whatever the cost" - it's reading your diary

I've never encountered anyone who cares so little about their rights. Next time they'll tell you that another program is necessary but you must sacrifice the first amendment, and you'll say "you just can't act like a dick, that's a good thing!!!" or the second amendment and you'll say "guns are for rednecks and criminals anyway" and you'll call anyone who realizes the consequences a "baby"

You're justifying tyranny. That's not some hyperbolic statement, you really are. You are the problem with this country.

>OMG TURRISTS

>>34680190
You really think 90% of Americans wanted those gun laws?

>>34680260
The quote
>if a politician posed a threat, then the intelligence community would do what they had to
speaks volumes
He just justified oppression of opposition politics through state intelligence. That’s as KGB as it gets.

>>34680208

...

>>34680093
that argument is old hat son, if you don't like the way things are where you live, then you're morally obligated to try changing things for the better

also
>north korea
>best korea
>implying the existence of a south korea

>/pol/
>being knowledgeable in anything

at least with knowledge in OS's and network related shit I can get a job with, but all they do is talk about jews all day. They're one of the worst boards, on par with /b/ and /soc/.

>>34680323
>butthurt

>>34678251
They hate him mainly because he was born to the "wrong parents".

>>34680237

stay mad

>muh democracy

>muh American Idol

>>34680260

>muh rights
>tyranny

it affects you not at all directly. for all you know the story is completely made up. cry more

>>34680262

which ones? [citation needed]

90% of Americans didn't support the entire recent gun control bill in its entirety

>>34680329
See Snowden. Apparently he's naive for informing the public about unwarranted secret government activity.

>>34680344
>>muh democracy
>>muh American Idol

Hurr. I’m not American, but think about what you just said. Think about what you actually advocated by saying
>if a politician posed a threat, then the intelligence community would do what they had to

>>34680330

we have investment bankers, hedge fund analysts, physics PhDs post there, among others...

whereas you're all computer nerds

suck a dick

>>34680330

>but all they do is talk about jews all day.

but that's not true. don't believe the hype

>>34680333

keep posting faggot

it's your own time you're wasting

>>34680401
Literally everything gets the appendage -berg there

>>34680416
>butthurt

>>34680382

>I’m not American

irrelevant. that's what we're talking about

>Think about what you actually advocated by saying

relax snowflake, the real world isn't butterflies and cupcakes

just go watch your tv and pretend this conversation never happened

>>34680389
>Nikola Tesla
>Robert Goddard
>Albert Einstein
>Bill Gates
>Steve Jobs
>Steve Wozniak
>Elon Musk

All were nerds and all of them have gone/will go down in history as some of the greatest men who ever lived. Fuck off and get out of my /g/.

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>>34680329
>you're morally obligated to try changing things for the better
Trashing basic human rights is changing things for the better?

>>34680344
Why do you say "muh rights" like they're something to be taken lightly? And it does affect me and you, do you even know what the fourth amendment is? You have no solid argument that justifies a surveillance state besides calling me a faggot.

>>34680298
I just hope he's trolling. Nobody can be this stupid.

>>34680419

>Literally

nope


but you know something? the stormfags are chemo like a motherfucker. they keep cancerous newfags with precious sensibilities out

>>34680437

not very original

>>34680389

I'm not talking about the board inhabitants. We have sysadmins, shills, developers, etc. I'm talking about the actual board content. I filter a lot of threads on /g/ to be honest, but some threads do turn out pretty good.

What do you guys do?

I'm not trying to "challenge" you, I;m genuinely curious.

>>34680401

enlighten me.

>>34680465

they weren't just nerds tho

you lot are just nerds

being smart doesn't automatically make you a nerd

>>34680481
>butthurt

>>34680438
Your condescension makes absolutely no sense, seriously.
I am pointing out that you’re advocating elimination of opposition politics through the state intelligence services. That’s not keeping the citizenry safe.

>>34680466

>Why do you say "muh rights" like they're something to be taken lightly?

they're just words on paper baby

>And it does affect me and you, do you even know what the fourth amendment is?

/g/tard asking /pol/ if he knows what the 4th amendment is. yah i do. it's words on a piece of paper.

>You have no solid argument that justifies a surveillance state besides calling me a faggot

how free do you think you will be if the economy collapses and martial law is imposed because of catastrophic events?!

your whining is just a symptom of taking everything for granted

>>34680499

nope

but by all means, keep bumping this thread

>>34680569
>butthurt

>>34680497
>you lot are just nerds
citation needed

>>34679056
> implying being libertarian is a bad thing
I like muh roads. I don't like 27 million people on food stamps while retaining the rights to use that on restaurants. It makes so much sense because it doesn't.

>>34680466
hold up son, who decides what the basic human rights are? and why should I accept their standard over my own?

>>34680483

sure, I mean, you could actually lurk moar, but whatever;

on the front page right now we have:

1. thread about Assad/syria
2. thread about dictatorships vs democracies
3. thread about the racial composition of Greeks
4. thread about how orthodox Jews are good Jews
5. political test thread
6. thread on feminism/liberalism in video games
7. IQ - nature or nurture
8. veganism
9. creationism/evolution
10. anti-obama thread

>>34680483
>>34680671

cont. now, many threads are shit. probably most of them. but every now and again you get good ones.

pole shift
investments/economics
the apocalypse/ww3
events in the real world - i can't tell you how many times i've read something on /pol/ only to read about it in the press a few days later
other random topics, lots of anti liberal threads, anti feminist, etc.

just..lurk moar, and ignore stormfags

>>34680513

elimination?

i wasn't necessarily referring to killing, if that's what you're implying, but it wouldn't be the first time

this is nothing new. see jfk

it's rare enough that it doesn't affect normal people

>>34680578

>sages

how cute

see how easy it is for me to get you to do something

now by all means, keep posting faggot

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>>34680671

looks great...

But seriously, you could do the same with /g/. I actually have gone to /int/ for a short stay and it's quite nice. /pol/ doesn't seem too bad, all the bad stories are probably overblown just like every other board.

The Sao Paul thread is interesting, I'll be lurking that one.

>>34680596

well, you in particular, being a tripfag, need no further proof

but in general you're on a board dedicated to inanimate objects. it's nerdy as fuck

>>34680657

some libertarian ideas are all right; i'm all for a lean state, but esp. in this day and age a strong state is necessary

>>34680548
>just a piece of paper
>just a piece of paper
The pen is mightier than the sword.

>how free do you think you will be if the economy collapses and martial law is imposed because of catastrophic events?!
The economy is collapsing because we've been funding endless war and pointless security measures like PRISM and spreading FUD in the media to scare people into giving up their rights. How do you not see that this is just a power grab? It's a method of control, the elimination of personal freedom ushers in a new authoritarian system, and even with a cursory glance at history we can see how "well" those kinds of countries do. Let me tell you something - people are always going to find ways to kill people. "Terrorists" will ALWAYS exist, no amount of security (besides absolute tyranny) will save you from them. Stop trying to justify this program, it is truly disgusting.

>>34680666
Now we're going to end up arguing about the democratic process. As it stands, privacy is a fundamental right. Nobody is stopping you from sharing your information, if you don't WANT to be private, you don't have to be! But if you choose to hide your furry porn collection, nobody can force you to embarrass yourself. What's wrong with that?

>>34680761
>butthurt

>>34680808

>The pen is mightier than the sword.

depends on the situation; even so, the constitution is not the be-all, end-all of the written word

>The economy is collapsing because we've been funding endless war and pointless security measures like PRISM

PRISM is cheap as fuck in the greater scheme of things.

the economy is collapsing for many reasons, including the behavior of the citizens themselves. you think the national debt is high? private debt is 3-4x higher

terrorists may always exist, but in the age of loose nukes we're quickly approaching a critical point. see einstein's quote on ww3/ww4

the govt is buying time, that is all. the endgame of all this is already well known

>As it stands, privacy is a fundamental right

right to life supercedes your right to privacy