So Apple can make insane profit.
The parts aren't cheap either

Apple likes its 40% gross margins.

Design isn't done for free.

We need to have these threads more often, we really don't get enough of them.

It's almost like reverse psychology, or like the notion that we always want what we can't have. By pricing them higher, people want them more.

>>30984187
That isn't true, or Bentlies and Lamborghinis would be 50% of the car market.

>>30983926 (OP)

the 13in model barely works anyways unless all you do is facebook with a 2k machine

Because people would buy them nevertheless

>>30984233
And where do you get that statistic from?

>>30984220
Most people can't afford them. Apple products are more affordable, therefore they are more common.

Because people don't understand computers at all. In a world dominated by computers nobody understands them. People also like shiny pretty things, almost like crows.

It really narrows down to living in a world of uneducated dumbasses who like shiny things over function and don't understand computers in the slightest, you get shunned out of society for understanding hardware and you know what a motherboard is or what different ones offer then you're just a nerd who needs a life.

Desing, gorgeous software.

>>30984279
Then why aren't Falcon Northwest or Alienware the most popular laptops? They're not too far out of the budget range.

>>30984288
I like how you pretend you understand anything about why Apple products are popular.

Apple products sell because they make a product people want. If people didn't actually like the products, they wouldn't keep buying them.

>>30984305
Those aren't well designed.

Veblen economics.

>>30984332
But the original statement was:

>By pricing them higher, people want them more.

Although "want" can't really be measured that much, people's decisions to actually buy can be measured in sales.

>>30984321
Yes but they dont understand the products. They just clamor to them because of the media, marketing and because it looks pretty.

>>30984305
Those are fuckhuge and have bad battery life, which are two things people actually kind of understand. Also, Alienware doesn't put ads everywhere like Apple does.

>>30984361
You're wrong.

>>30984305
>Then why aren't Falcon Northwest or Alienware the most popular laptops? They're not too far out of the budget range.

kinda embarrassing to use in public, especially if you're a working professional...

all those leds and g4m3r design with that shitty alien head logo...

marketing

to bad Apple stock is coming down to where it should be at

>>30984396
Please explain how?

Please explain how apple products are in any way not just a total fucking ripoff and they only sell well because they are marketed right and people are idiots

>>30984359
the brand and design has to have some merit for companies to go for that pricing strategy. look at nespresso for example.

Because it has a 13" 2560x1600 IPS display. Anybody who denies that this is an expensive part is just an Apple hater

>>30984565
It's not nearly expensive enough to justify the price.

>>30983926 (OP)
I find that /g/'s response to any Apple-related question is so systematic that I could make a Python script that would define every Apple thread, ever.

def GetAnswer(type) :
for i in type:
if i["age"] <= 11 or i["troll?"] = "true":
print "lmao apple fegs are gay overpriced shit"
else:
print "I've had enough of these threads."

>>30984502
fuck off ferrari shill
>/g/ logic

>>30984595
Sure it is. Other ultrabooks regularly push nearly $1300+. Compared to ultrabooks from Acer, Asus, Dell and HP, the MBP 13 Retina is a steal

because A) has the highest PPI of any laptop by a landslide, B) maintains a fully flash hard drive, C) is one of the only LEGAL (which means company support and software stability) machines with OS X, the only UNIX-like OS with professional and commercial support, D) has one of the most renowned trackpads/keyboards on any laptop, E) retains notebook-like high-end hardware in an ultrabook-from and F) has an Apple logo.

>>30984611
4chen ruined ur indents use code fgt

>>30984657
Ultrabooks are a scam, too, you idiot.

because people pay for it

>>30984657
The MBA doesn't have that resolution. The rMBP isn't an ultrabook.

>>30984461
Only cool thing about apple computers is the whole zoom in touch shit. Other then that it's just an overpriced PC.

>>30984746
There are lots of laptops that have this.

>>30984718
Then you can't call it expensive because you don't have a point of reference. Expensive can only be stated as a point of comparison.

>This is expensive compared to that

Comparing the MBP Retina to any regular $400 laptop is stupid. You need to compare to equivalent priced PCs and then compare on features.

>>30984657
i dont think you know what an ultrabook is.

>>30984758
shit mine doesn't Doesn't matter thought. It's a cool gimmick but not something that would push me to buy it.

>>30984760
>You need to compare to equivalent spec'd PCs and then compare prices.

fixed

>>30984760
They're all gimped ULV notebooks that peopke only buy because OMG SO THIN. Compare to equally priced business class laptops from Lenovo, Dell, etc.

>>30984790
impossible because there is no 13" PC that offers the same screen

There is only one laptop that can compare on specs and that is the Vaio Z. It is only $100 cheaper than the rMBP 13 and has a much lower resolution screen

>>30984835
So find the closest one and compare prices. If the difference isn't that great, then it's not horribly overpriced. The difference is usually several hundred, if not a thousand dollars, which isn't worth it for a retina display.

>>30984878
>Zenbook
>X1 Carbon
>Dell XPS
I could go on.

>>30984835
>muh retina
>fuck your unsoldered RAM and actually decent windows/linux compatibility and non-ULV CPUs and useful GPUs and security features and optical drives and useful ports and removable batteries and myriad of accessories
>MUH RETINAAAAAAAAAA

ok guys the thing u all need to realize is that most of you already agree with eachother about apple products and stuff

like you guys spend all your time arguing about things you already know and have in common and all see eye to eye on

then spend zero time discussing the stuff that actually matters or is worth debating and arguing about

it hurts my head

most of the opinions here all jive with each other, save a couple of people yet you fight and fight and counter arguement, quote post etc about the dumbest stuff

everyone knows why they cost so much

>>30984918
Because it's completely unacceptable to value screen resolution over GPU power and unsoldered ram (rofl) for some applications.

>>30984878
>>30984835
nope not a single laptop exists with a 2.5 GHz i5, Intel HD 4000, 128 GB ssd, and 8 GB of ram for less than $1700

>not even trying

>>30985009
I'm honestly not sure how much expandable/replaceable RAM really matters in a laptop. Desktop, absolutely.

But just about every other laptop on the market has a built-in limit for how much RAM it can carry, so even the ability to swap out RAM won't mean a whole lot.

>>30984903
All of which are 1080p and have lower spec'd processors as a BASE

>>30985026
Not at the thinness and resolution of the rMBP

ITT: screen resolution has no value of its own

>>30984967
>Everybody agrees that Windows is shit
>Everybody likes Android
>Everybody thinks Thinkpads are retarded
>Nobody wants a mechanical keyboard
>Everybody thinks Arch and Gentoo are bad distros and Unity is a good DE
>Everybody thinks AMD is master race in CPUs and graphics cards
No. You obviously haven't been here long.

>User-friendly software that soccer moms and the volleyball team loves
>Shiny
>Looks cool
>Steve Job viral

>>30985064
>base
You can upgrade all of them.

>>30985099
That was quite a stretch from "Everyone agrees about Apple" to "everyone agrees about everything on /g/".

>>30985053
or any of those laptops that offer i7's 8gb of ram and some 1920x1080 screen with HD4000

never going to use that i7, never going to push 4gb out of that

its really just a fucking VMbox machine

>>30985026
what is that sony VAIO or those other intel ultra books pushing?

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>>30985099

woah woa woa are u trying to read minds or something

whos talking about that shit ITT? nobody man

calm your excited box and relax

>>30984233

>yfw i have 13 inch and it will rape your hurr durrr thinkpad 1x

>intstalled gentoo already fagget

>>30985115
>you guys spend all your time arguing about things you already know and have in common and all see eye to eye on
Pretty sure he wasn't just talking about Apple.

>>30983926 (OP)
Because machining aircraft grade aluminium is possibly THE most wasteful way to make unibody cases.
So wasteful that initially, no one would do it for Apple so they had to buy machines and do it themselves.

>>30985026
this one is an i7 but at 1.9ghz and just under 8gb of memory

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834127670

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>>30985115
just like this guy said lol he sees it too

ur getting wayy to worked up man simmer down, turn it down to about 4 or 5

>>30985170
>1336x768 TN

>>30985159
He said:
>ok guys the thing u all need to realize is that most of you already agree with eachother about apple products and stuff

Sounds to me like he was talking about Apple.

>>30985081
find a laptop with the same specs, and do the math.
Is that thinness and resolution worth all that money?

>>30985178
>implying the MBA has a HiDPI screen
Go look it up.

>>30985153
Your grammar and spelling structure hurts my head.

>>30985026
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230470

this one has everything minus the 8gb of memory

not like you're going to use more than 4gb anyway

>>30985178
>"retina" display is worth 900 dollars to me

>>30984176
sage

>>30985248
and a far higher storage too

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>>30983926 (OP)

I have a retina Macbook Pro and I love this thing. Best computer I've ever owned. I don't even really need to upgrade my ram ever because I have plenty, 16 gb. I have an amazing screen and everything looks great on it, it's fantastic for my photography and watching movies on. The 256 gb ssd is plenty, and it's fast. I use a network drive for most of my storage anyway. It has a fast processor and I can run windows virtual machines on it and run my architectural design software for school on it. Good battery life. Good onboard speakers surprisingly. It can do anything I want to, very well.

This computer is amazing, nothing can really compare to it right now, and that's coming from a former anti apple fag. It's worth dropping the extra cash for the luxury. The thing is beautiful to boot, feels so good in my hands.

>>30985248
Woah, woah, woah, nigga, i gots ta stap ya rite dere. You tink i ony need fo niggabitz uv rayum? You lawst you min, nigga.

>>30985279
>16gb ram

better OS than windows

>>30985279
you actually bought it with 16gb of memory

what are you gaming? on a mac?

christ I also don't think you're doing any hipster video editing with that shitty 650m 1gb

you paid well over 2000 dollars for that?

>>30985279
I bet your wallet feels significantly lighter as well.

>>30985248
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834230470

Those reviews do not fill me with a great deal of confidence.

>>30985318
He paid nearly $4000. The base rMBP (assuming it's a 15") is just over $3000.

>>30985318


>wut iz bootcump hurr duurr

>>30985321
quit shifting that goalpost.


Also while you're at it, stop buying ultrabooks

>>30985312
no

>>30985333
What? No it isn't:

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro

>>30985335
what does bootcamp have to do with having 16gb of ram?

>>30985354
with that extra RAM option it easily blows 3000

>>30985340
I'm not even the guy you're responding to.

I'm simply stating that the Newegg reviews of that notebook are not very inspiring. A lot of problems and complaints for quality assurance issues.

>>30985321
>implying this isn't common
Even Dell has constant issues with DOA laptops.

>>30985355
I have 8gb on my desktop and unless I'm trying to run something bigger on my vmbox with ubuntu I don't push fucking half my ram, I even gave Ubuntu 2gb of ram and 2 of my i7's cores

>>30985370
That's not what "base" means.

>>30985370
>Configure your 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display
>add 16gb ram
>$2,399


u wot

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>>30985333
>>30985333

woah woah woah are you kidding?? can you provide a link for this price please

seriously lol that much money for it

im shocked

>>30985354
Well, fuck. I could have sworn it was. Oh well, still overpriced.

>>30985248
i'd pay 300 more for a better screen and better build quality

>>30985412
This is what happens in every single one of these threads.

People make shit up, and get proven wrong.

Why do you make claims you can't back up? I honestly don't understand this.

>>30985398
You have to click on the $2700 base model because he said he has a 2.7 GHz i7.

>>30985405
>http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro

yeesh these prices make me ill to my tummy they are actually quite outrageous

there are much better things in life to put your money towards than these silly computers u guys

its a problem for sure i think, not a matter of "its my money and i spend it how i want, its nice to splurge etc'

theres something lacking the though process when shit like this is purchased

>>30985436
It's still way more expensive than an identically specced laptop with a 1080p screen.

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>>30985442
you mean THIS 2.7ghz macbook upgrade?

I can't believe people ACTUALLY bought the 200 dollar 100mhz upgrade

>>30985460


>windows

>>30985370
>>30985333
/g/ loves to overinflate apple prices so they dont feel bad for buying cheap plasticware

>>30984611
That's impressive, because you're apparently a pretty shitty programmer

>Python
>No code tags
>Function beginning with "Get" that returns nothing
>ambiguous variable "type"
>key in associative array ending in a question mark
>string "true" instead of a boolean

>>30985470
Yeah. The RAM upgrade is also ridiculous, as is a storage upgrade.

>>30984220
bell curve economics
there is a point where you can increase prices
so much that sales go down, hit the sweet
spot, where demand is slightly greater and
Zimbabwe ! profit!

>>30985434
since when has apple become the shining example of the best-in-class of build quality?
Is it just because you never hear about people talking about their broken macs because of the good warranty service/buyers remorse, or are they actually built better than all other brands?

Apple being known for build quality seems to be a thing, but I don't have any idea why.

>>30985492
>HURR I CANT INSTALL ANUDDER OS GUIZE
Faggot.

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>>30985279
assuming you bought these, thats quite a bit of dosh

>>30985497
No, I just honestly thought it was higher. Either way, it's still unjustifiably high.

>>30985518
>I can't install another OS
>VMware
>VMbox
>don't partition your hard drive full with windows

>>30985517
On the whole, the Macs tend to last longer than PC counterparts.

You can see this on eBay, just for simple anecdotal evidence.

>>30985318
what game uses 16gbs of ram, it all uses vram nowadays.
maybe if you are exporting two movies and editing at the same time

>>30985530
>No, I just honestly thought it was higher

30 seconds could have made you not look stupid.

>>30985554
the same could be said for thinkpads/old Dells

>>30985559
The processor and disk on a laptop couldn't keep up with that, though.

>>30985559
there isn't really any reason to buy 16gb of ram for the mac

I can't you imagine anything the first thing I thought was the 16gb ram stereotype that they buy excessive ram for gaming