>>31868845

How is it lack of objectivity?

Having the raw measurements is the most unbiased form of measurement

Can I get a non faggot to confirm if the Creative Aurvana's are any good or not? I don't go listening to dubstep or fucking FLAC, so just overall listening.

amines.
thread dead before it can get going.

>>31868923
I think they are nice for the money.

Better than the MDR-V6 which is harsh and tinny sounding.

>>31868883 (OP)
why do you people own these "figurines"?
Why?
just why?

>>31868920

>I hate Head-Fi, Changstar and NwAvGuy.
>Only site I like is InnerFidelity

If you were being objective, you'd take everyone's graphs into account.

>>31868923
Tyll likes them, if that means anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGKj_tAnjwo

>>31868971
Changstar's graphs are useless as it's HRTF equalized and the raw curves are not available.

They seem to thinking that reverberation is clearly audible.

>>31868954
thanks as I was considering those
>>31868991
good to know, that other guy was a total asshat shitposter, why is he not banned?

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Hey /g/.

I'm looking for some headphones for gaming, movies and music. I currently use the much hated logitech 5.1 speakers that everyone bitches about and they work fine for during the day. But at night when my girlfriend is sleeping and I want loud sound I was thinking of getting the Audio Technica ATH-AD700's. I am using a Gigabyte UD3H mobo. Do I need a sound card/amp/dac whatever for these? also will be using a desk mic.

tl;dr do i need a soundcard/amp/dac to use these with a gigabyte UD3H mobo and deskmic. I know very little about desktop audio

>>31869036

>open headphones
>trying not to be loud

Well man, pick one.

>>31869036
the AD700 has a poor bass response due to the loose earpads. I'd avoid it for general use. It got popular due to being godlike for competitive gaming.

What's your budget?

>>31868992
stop being butthurt that you got shut down in the last thread, /g/ is a good board if it weren't for people like you.

>>31869025
>>31868991
>>31868954
>>31868923

Obvious samefag.

I'm seriously lol'ing that you have nothing better to do.

>>31869036
It is mainly for gaming. Is it really that bad for music though? budget is about $400 NZD (probably about $200 USD) though the cheaper the better

>>31869056
quieter than speakers

>>31869099
>laughs at others for posting on 4chan
>posts on 4chan

lel

>>31869099
Not samefag bro, the post with tyll's vid was mine but not the others.

>>31869091

>doesn't know how to sage
>implying butthurt and not just posting random images for hell of it/bumping the thread

Do you even intuition?

>>31869112

was directed at >>31869062

>>31869147

http://gwiki.xach.org/index.php/Headphones

>>31869112
>It is mainly for gaming. Is it really that bad for music though? budget is about $400 NZD (probably about $200 USD) though the cheaper the better

What are your priorities? Competitive gaming is the AD700's only strength. It's poor for music as it has no impact.

Also open headphones get pretty loud and the person in the same room will hear it like mini speakers. I'd say get a closed back headphone such as the DT770 Pro or HFI-580 which are known for having a good soundstage and can be used for gaming and movies and being very satisfying for music.

>>31869099
why are you trying so hard to derail this thread too? I was the one asking, why would I give myself an answer? I'm not butthurt about everything like you.

>>31869184
Okay I'll check that out thanks. What about the need for sound card/dac/amp?

>>31869062

Somebody needs to buy AD700s and roll earpads and post results for science.

I'm particularly curious if the DT880 or K701 pads fit it and if they do, if they seal well.

I got a pair of HD 598s recently. They've grown on me, but at first they really sounded muffled due to their warm sound signature. I guess for my next upgrade I'll get something clearer sounding.

>>31869184
> DT770 Pro or HFI-580
DT770 are twice the price as AD700's in my country and HFI-580's do not exist here lol

>>31869207
I'd say get a soundcard. A sound card alone.

The soundcard will act as the DAC + amp and it'll give you those DSP effects so you can turn your headphone into "Surround" mode like those gaming headsets. /g/ prefers the Xonar series and so do I.

>>31869214
I haven't found any other pad that could fit, but if you press it against your head and listen to music you can hear the deep bass and it's fairly flat to 40Hz.

>>31869273
Okay. This? computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=6771

Also any other headphone suggestions?

>>31869257
What about the closed back audio-technica models?

AD700X or AD900X are available?

>>31869205

You are clearly samefagging in order to attempt to make a certain poster look bad because that certain poster was not a dick at all to the person asking about the CALs.

There was no logical reason for the person asking about the CALs to refer to a person attempting to help him as a shitposter.

Hence, the thin veil over your actions was removed, rendering them completely transparent.

Your obsession with this particular poster has done more to derail headphone threads than anything this particular poster has ever posted.

In conclusion, I'm too smart to not see through your shit.

>>31869312
>ComfyGrados
>Smart

lel

How does /g/ like the Superlux HD668B Dynamic Semi-Open Headphones for $90 what else can you recommend that does not look back ass retarded?

>>31869305
That looks quite good.

>>31869273

>I haven't found any other pad that could fit

Perhaps nigra-rigging DT880 or K701 pads onto it somehow is a decent idea then.

A mod to increase the clamping force would come at the expense of comfort, one of the AD700's strongest points, so I don't think that's an ideal solution.

>>31869312
comfy please go, I am not half of this thread, /g/ is not three people. Shut up you're embarrassing yourself.

>>31869311
Nope :/

>>31869356
do you even sage bro

>>31869356

>I am not half of this thread

Actually, you often are, from what I've noticed.

Ambien too.

You two should marry each other and samefag together while spooning. It'd be adorable.

>>31869375
>implying I'm not simply leaving that in the name field

>>31869379
>often are
too bad I don't even come to /g/, you're seriously strawmanning to the point of it being pathetic.
Who the fuck is Ambien?

Where are all the headphone info charts? They used to be posted all the time.

>>31869416
People like comfy decided opinions are better.

Fucking ComfyGrados~

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>tfw you don't even have to put anything in the name field and people still demonstrate an obsession with using your name in 4chan threads

...feels like... butthurt.

DA MOOGS agrees with me, too.

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>>31869416

Disregard the Monoprice recommendation here. This guide was written before a design flaw in that model was discovered.

>>31869311
Both of those are open.

>>31869718
my bad meant A700X or A900X.

>>31869566
>design flaw
Can you give me more information on this? Google isn't helping.

Also what's a good closed comfortable headphone in the ~$30 price range?
DJ's feel terrible
RP-HTF600-S are semi open
Superlux HD681 feel terrible as well

>>31867809
By not acknowledging the fact that there can be just as much subjectivity injected into measurements as listening impressions.

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>>31869847

>Can you give me more information on this?

They all develop stress cracks and eventually crack in half in the following spot. Pic related. I owned a pair and they cracked in half through normal use in about 5 months exactly where this anon's picture indicates.

>Also what's a good closed comfortable headphone in the ~$30 price range?

lel good luck with that.

>>31869847
>>31869989

Oh, uh, just thought of this.

They're semi-open but I'm told the JVC HA RX500 isolate like closed headphones and are incredibly comfortable.

I can't vouch for their sound as I have not heard them, nor is there any objective data available for them on the Internet. Physically, they appear as if they will have larger than average soundstage for closed headphones by design, as they appear to move the drivers considerably away from the ears.

All that being said... I'm not aware of a good-sounding, completely closed, comfortable headphone in the $30 price range. Sorry.

>>31869989
ComfyGrados owns every single headphone ever created.

The best headphones from his experience is the MDR-V6 with velour pads

Can anyone recommend me a set of headphones? I listen to a lot of different types of music, but I don't listen to shit like dubstep and speedcore, so bass is nowhere near as important as treble.
I don't want to spend more than $250.
I was thinking HD598's.

>>31870184

K701s or DT880s.

DT880 Premiums are more comfortable, K701s are technically superior. Take your pick based on priority: sound or comfort.

If you're willing to pay extra and work extra to mod a K601 headband onto the K701s... and you don't have a huge head... K701 all the way. Many people strongly object to the K701 headband bumps, and AKG self-adjusting headphones, by design, are generally very poor for people with very large heads; some even find the metal bars digging into their skull.

>>31870184

>so bass is nowhere near as important as treble.
>I was thinking HD598's

HD598s have rolled off, veiled treble, like most Sennheisers. It doesn't seem as if those are what you're looking for.

>>31870184
Q701, the comfort issue goes away after a few days

>>31870397

No, you got used to it.

The comfort problem doesn't go away. The headband bumps don't magically disappear.

You simply got used to it.

>>31870436

or convinced himself that he did because of buyers remorse

>>31870184
HD598s are generally considered to be a bad pair of cans when considering how much they are.

In the $250-300 price range the "big three" are the K701(or Q701/K702), DT880 Premium, and HD650.

The difference between the K701 and Q701 when it comes to sound is nominal. The biggest plus is that the Q701 has a removable cable. The K702 also has a removable cable and sounds exactly like the K701. Be warned that you need an amp to drive these.

For the DT880 you get whatever ohms you can drive. If you have an amp or want to amp the 600 OHMs are the best to get. The 250OHMs are fine usually if you don't want to get a fancy amp. I hear you can drive them just fine with a UAC202. The 32OHM is probably only a good idea if you want to plug them directly into an iPod. These have much more cushioned pads than the K701s and are semi open not open so they isolate more, subjectively are more comfortable, but have a lesser sound stage.

I don't know much about the HD650 because they have a problem cracking along the headband. I'd rather not buy something that breaks.

>>31870436
I have longer hair and the Q701 bumps have never been an issue for me. Not since day one.

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>>31870478

>hd650
>$250-300

>>31870459
Why would I have buyers remorse, I tried my headphones and picked the best based on my opinion

>>31870492

>I have longer hair

...well that's probably why.

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I need some help, I'm currently being screwed over by the store I bought headphones from.

I bought a pair of Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 32 Ohm Limited Edition about 3 months ago, the problem is that it broke after a few weeks. I delivered the DT770's to the shop and they promised me they would fix them within two weeks. Almost 5 weeks went by, they call me and tell that they can't fix the headphones (because they are out of production).

I can chose to either get the DT770 80ohm version or the Beyerdynamic Custom Pro instead. Should I go for one of them or are they actually giving me an inferior product?

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Already tried asking this twice and got no luck, trying again.

Can anyone tell me how good are the JVC FXD80-Z IEM's? Has anyone here actually tried it before? How is it regarded among audiophiles?

>>31870541
Don't buy this. It sounds fine, but the design places the driver in your ear, not only the tip like traditional pairs.

It's very uncomfortable as reported by many

>>31870541
No one likes them.

>>31870535
Can't you just ask for a refund since they can't fix the problem?

>>31870586
Why not?

>>31870575
Really? I've seen pictures of people wearing it and it doesn't seem to be all that bad. Does wearing it upside down fix the issue?

>>31870535

The 80 ohm ones are better unless you specifically bought the 32 ohm ones because you have an iPod or similarly weak device you want to drive them with or something. Most devices/soundcards will drive the 80 ohm ones fine, and the velour earpads are much nicer than the leather, IMO.

>>31870535

...also... how'd they break, anon?

>>31870535
doesnt really sound like youre being screwed you self-important faggot

What are some good ~50$ headphones that are comfortable and sound good? Would the HTF600/Koss Portapro do the job well?

>>31868883 (OP)
Just got my pair of K701s. No amp yet ;_;

>>31870611
>Really? I've seen pictures of people wearing it and it doesn't seem to be all that bad. Does wearing it upside down fix the issue?
No, there's this thing known as gravity and it's a bitch.

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>>31870649

>>31868883 (OP)
Why havent you imported some stax from Japan yet?

>>31870656

>Would the HTF600/Koss Portapro do the job well?

If you don't need isolation, the HTF600s are wonderful headphones in terms of comfort, soundstage, bass extension and overall frequency response... for any price, let alone $30.

Without EQ I would far prefer to listen to RP-HTF600-S's than K701s or DT880s.

>>31870710
>ComfyGrados in charge of giving unbiased recommendations

The HTF600's are the best because he owns one

>>31870673

FYI, Beyerdynamic sells slider replacement kits for when the sliders break.

Headphone-friends I have a potentially stupid question: What exactly qualifies a headset as "good for gaymen", exactly?

>>31870649
The headphones broke at the base of the headphone jack (where it usually breaks). I only used the headphones inside and been very careful with them, so I suspect that they were already used quite a bit in the store before I bought them.

I'll most likely try to get a refund. I've not heard a lot of great things about the Custom One Pro's

So, /g/ seems to agree on the excellence of the ODAC/O2 combo, but what is the next step (logical upgrade) after that?

>>31870790
DAC1, or whatever dac is transparent and has the features/connections you need.

>>31870785

>at the base of the headphone jack

...you mean the part you plug into the amp or where the cord meets the headphones?

I'm assuming the former but just wanna be sure.

Also... you should really learn to repair either issue yourself. It's easy as shit, either one of those repairs.

>>31870767
It says something that they have to make that product.

>>31870812
DAC1 measures almost identical to the ODAC.

>>31870790
Be a man and build your own amp.

>>31870832
The DAC1 certainly measures better than it. Nwavguy just claims the extra performance doesn't matter.

>>31870832

>It says something that they have to make that product.

It says that they were smart to make a modular design with replaceable parts as opposed to one big plastic frame.

>>31870790

>but what is the next step (logical upgrade) after that?

...I don't see the logic in upgrading from it, TBH. It's transparent enough as it is.

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I was going to pick these up because I can get a new pair for about $150. Was wondering if anyone had any first-hand experience with them.

>inb4 anime picture
>inb4 Ultrasone

>>31870769
Imaging... how well a headphone can place sounds and pinpoint sounds accurately.

MDR-V6 is objectively the best headphones under 180$.

>>31870867
This... the DAC1 eats the ODAC for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

The difference is probably not audible though.

Schiit better hurry up with my Magni order.

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>>31870884

>Ultrasone

>>31870822
Yes, the former. At the base (where the cable ends) of the 3.5 jack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xT97GAqKMyc
M50's are better then beats pro's.

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>>31870899

>>31870937
You don't say.

>>31870923

Recabling headphones is easy as shit.

The next time this happens to you, Google how to do it yourself then do it yourself. It's a useful, practical skill which you'll probably use more than once in your life.

>>31870944
>bitching about FR above ~14,000 Hz

Really?

>>31870944
>frequency response inherently protects you from going deaf like most retarded audiophiles do (reminder hearing loss is proportional to frequency!)

based sony

>>31870944
Maybe in the 1980's these were considered "flat"

but not by today's standards.

The MDR-V6 is harsh and tinny sounding with a slight emphasis on the sub-bass

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>>31870944

>headroom HRTF

Hi guys

>>31870962
More like above 10KHz and below 100Hz

do 4channers have something against logitech g35's?
because they have lasted for years on me...

>>31871010

>not even realizing the V6s' biggest frequency response flaw is the midbass deficiency which makes them cold sounding, in turn causing the already hot upper mids and treble to sound much hotter than they actually are

You can barely even hear the sub-bass and extreme treble rolloffs with most music. That midbass deficiency though... you're always gonna hear that.

>>31871010
>muh base

>>31871057
recession followed by spikes makes for terrible headphones.

My list of terrible headphones:

MDR-V6, DT770, DT880, DT990, HE-400, HD800, HD700 and many others

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>>31870919

You shut up

>>31871057
>>31870977
>buzzwords

Please define "tinny" as a frequency response, i.e. relative magnitude X dB over the range of ___ Hz to ____ Hz is "Tinny"

oh that's right

you can't

because it's all subjective buzzword made up bullshit

You can't objectively emprically define or measure any of your shit.

>>31871050
>logitech g35
/g/ hates all headsets
Bu... but i get a headphone AND a mic
No you get a shitty headphone AND shitty mic
Love,
/g/

>>31871050

>do 4channers have something against logitech g35's?

They're a headset.

/g/ generally holds the position that all headsets are inherently shit because of extremely poor price/performance ratio: they tend to combine cheap, shitty headphone drivers with a cheap, shitty microphone then charge out the ass for the convenience of attaching a mic to the headphones which, by the way, makes the whole thing easier to break.

Figure out the number of separate products you're buying in a single product... then divide the cost of that product by that number... and that's how much your product is really worth.

What I mean by this is... headsets combine two products: headphones and mic. Thus, $100 headsets will actually perform like $50 headphones... at best.

WIRELESS headsets... those combine FOUR products: headphones, mic, DAC, amp. So $100 wireless headsets will sound... like $25 headphones. At best.

Get real headphones and a modmic.

>>31871107
>frequency response graph
>not objective

>>31871103

Frequency response alone does not make headphones terrible because EQ exists.

Also, in my opinion the frequency response of almost every headphone ever made is terrible.

>>31871107
That's why my statements are subjective dipshit.

Can someone post a link to DF equalization and the target curve?

>>31871166
check rinchoi

>>31871128

They're not.

The act of choosing an HRTF compensation method is a subjective process.

Also, dummy heads do not accurately simulate human heads, ears and eardrums as of yet. The technology isn't where it needs to be.

Frequency response graphs are only useful for comparing headphones with one another using the same measurement methodology. They are not an objective visual representation of how a headphone actually sounds.

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>>31871166
Here. The problem is this isn't the only curve, and isn't the one to be universally applied (it varies depending on the measurements conditions).

>>31871155
s/subjective/worthless
>>31871128
that's my point, FR response is objective empirical evidence, but you saying "this Fr is tinny, this Fr is not" is not useful. you need an objective mathematical critera to define tinny, but you don't have one, because it's not real.

>>31871197
>The act of choosing an HRTF compensation method is a subjective process.

Wrong

Audiophile detected

FR are objective, empirical evidence.

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>>31871166

>However, in 2008, Hammershoi & Moller from Denmark gathered all of the existing DF-curves(eardrum responses from 47 subjects total), and averaged into one reference curve. This is the most accurate eardrum DF response currently available

>>31871208
Tinny isn't just something to be pointed out with FR bro. You can take into account higher distortion/noise, particularly peaky square wave response, etc.

>>31871208
What if I called you ugly? Are you saying my statements/opinions don't hold worth?

I don't enjoy the MDR-V6, even the FR curves obviously shows how colored it is.

OK, I'm no audiophile, but I'm looking for an even sounding (does that make sense?), comfortable headphone in the $100 range.

The MDRV6 sound like it might be too uncomfortable, since I have a small head. I was also looking at the HTF600s.

Help.

>>31871243
>I don't enjoy the MDR-V6, even the FR curves obviously shows how colored it is.

Show me a headphone for, hell, under 150$ (the mdr-v6 itself is around 50-60$ if you buy it on sale) with a less colored FR curve

You won't fucking find one.

>>31871219

No, my statement was correct, actually. An "ideal headphone target EQ curve" has not been established by mankind yet. Therefore, anyone will end up choosing a target EQ curve based on some degree of subjective preference.

>>31871219
No he (ComfyGrados) is right for once. FR for headphones is somewhat subjective as the raw response of the curve is altered based on a target curve

>>31871233
Fine, then use another OBJECTIVE EMPIRICAL MEASUREMENT to define it. Mathematically defined.

>>31870514
I'm bald and the K702 headband doesn't bother me

What would enhance my DT 880's sound more, a new soundcard or a DAC? I already have an amp so that is not a problem.

>>31871288
You were just given some examples of things that can be measured to show that a headphone can be "tinny". There isn't one measurement that quantifies "tinniness".

>>31871251

>The MDRV6 sound like it might be too uncomfortable, since I have a small head

...I don't follow your logic.

The one thing most people complain about with any studio monitor type headphones is the clamping force... and that's usually made worse the larger your head is.

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>>31871272
Etymotic Research HF5

$100 USD

>>31871320
Both are essentially DACs. Just get one with the features you need and the best performance.

>>31871329
Then your qualifier of "tinniness" is subjective meaningless bullshit.

>>31871320
Do you game? If so get a Xonar DG ($30)
Are you getting noise and don't game? Get a UCA 202 ($30)

>>31871320

...please tell me you're not connecting your soundcard's headphone output (an amplified output) to your headphone amp.

If you are, for the love of God get a DAC.

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akg master-race

>>31871340
Are you fucking blind?

>that god awful 2.3khz - 10khz range

>>31871386
Most motherboards and soundcards have line-level out

>>31871340
>>31871398
And those are 150$ fucking IN-EAR EARPHONES, not headphones.

>>31871339
Oh, well I was going off some reviews I had read where people had that problem with small heads. I hate reviews, they always wind up confusing me more.

Why is my FiiO E10 so much louder on windows than linux?

>>31871340

>the v6 is flatter in a range spanning 18,000 Hz
>the hf5 is flatter in a range spanning 30 Hz

...uhhhhhh...

>>31871368
I'm not even that guy you were arguing with originally bro. Just saying that "tinny" is often associated with high distortion/noise, a peaky square wave response, etc. In other words it's shitty, noisy treble.

>>31871410
>>31871398
It still is flatter... has a much better and smoother curve, and the roll-off makes it easy to listen to

unlike that shitty MDR-V6

>>31871251
>The MDRV6 sound like it might be too uncomfortable, since I have a small head

MDRv6 with the /g/ approved velour pads (can't remember name) are about ~90-100$ and the best sound/comfort you'll get under 200$ or so.

>>31871440
>Frequency response
>roll-off

It's not graphed versus time you retard

>>31871430
>>31871398
>directly comparing response of iems vs circumaurals

>>31871442

>the /g/ approved velour pads (can't remember name)

They're Beyerdynamic EDT 250 velour pads.

>>31871459
You might want to look up what roll-off means before you start shooting your mouth off.

>>31871459
>buttmad V6 objectivists who think their $40 headphones are great

DAT FUCKING 10kHz spike makes my music sound like thissssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

>>31871478

...if directly comparing the response of IEMs vs. circumaurals is pointless... then so was posting that picture...

>>31871496

...nah. That's probably the 4-5 kHz spike or the 7-8 kHz ear resonance. 10 kHz is a little high for sibilance.

>>31871373
What is the difference between the Xonar DG and the Xonar DX, DS, etc.?

>>31871423

Prolly a driver thing if that phenomenon is occurring on a dual-boot system.

>>31871577
G X and S

Does anyone have the K702 graphs yet? Despite their absurd price I'm actually considering them.

>paying $250 for a headband

>>31871626
K702 Anniversary Edition*

Semi-related question. I have AD700's and want a soundcard.

Is this any good?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829132020

>>31871626
Do you mean the anniversary edition?
I saw a graph and it exactly matched the regular K702. Sorry to say I can't find it now.

>>31871615
So no real difference?

>>31871626

Get K701s and mod a K601 headband onto them.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/495152/akg-k701-k601-headband-pics

>>31871644
They're pretty much identical in sound to the regular K702s.

>>31871665
No real difference for your purposes, as you intend on using a dedicated amp with it. Save yourself the money and get the DGX with the unified drivers.

>>31871693
I've heard reports that its similar to the Q701's tuning with regards to the slightly elevated midbass.

>>31871662
Yep, that's what I meant.

So it's exactly the same? Not just tuned like the Q701 vs K702?

In that case, you really ARE paying $250 for a headband and slightly different color scheme. Damn.

>>31871682
It's not even just the headband, I was hoping for a slightly more refined sound.

>>31871651
>want a soundcard
Why?
If you actually do want them though that's a decent sound card.

>>31871665
DG = shitty processor, dolby features, have a headphone amp
DS = ok processor, no dolby features
DX = Dolby and same ok processor

Honestly it's all stupid

>>31871710
Really the only other differences is the color and the memory foam pads.

>>31871710
They're so pretty I'd pay for it if I didn't already own Q701s. But honestly that's the only real difference.

err no, that anon is spouting bullshit

post a link of the graph

also, the Anniversary edition uses a different pad which provides a slightly better bass response, it's similar to the concept of burning in. K70x owners reported that after 300-400 hours the sound improved.

>>31871715
So what the hell should I get then? Remember I am using a dedicated amp.

>>31871746
Yeah, they are. But so are Q701s. So it's not really a big deal.

>>31871762
I'm somewhat curious about that, but if it's just different pads I bet I could buy them off someone or even the site itself...

also I prefer the original K701/K702/Q701 for aesthetics. The 65thAnnv's headband looks cheap and unappealing, I've tried one

>>31871493
You don't hear on a frequency axis. I'm fully familar with what a -20/-40/-60 db/decade rolloff is, but it's not something that you fucking notice.

>>31871809
not that this shit is anywhere close to a 1st/2nd/3rd order X-pass filter of course, it's a few dB ripple in the Fr, oh no! compared to other headphones which have over 10dB delta in their FR

>>31871762

Anons: never take any advice mentioning burn-in seriously unless said advice is that burn-in does not result in perceptibly audible changes in headphone response.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-break

Tyll's measurements here make it very fucking clear that if break-in DOES exist... it certainly does not produce perceptibly audible changes in headphone response.

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Woah, everyone hold your horses, the K70X and the 65th edition are definitely different.

I has them both. I will bet my life if you listened to them side by side, you would here a clear difference in the low-end.

Minimal placebo here.

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>>31871787

>caring enough to mention this
>caring at all about headphone aesthetics
>caring about the aesthetics of your tools

Do you prefer your tools veiny or smooth? How about length? Girth? You're clearly an expert in the aesthetics of tools.

>>31871838
That's within the scope of error margin.

Burn in is very real though, but it's not the driver that's changing, it's the earpads and there are proven tests on this. Check Rinchoi's blog.

>>31871888
Probably due to the different materials used in the earpads.

>>31871838
I didn't read your link, but he did a follow up "subjective" test and he said himself there was a clear difference between old and new pairs.

>>31871772
Anyone?

>>31871891
Fuck off ComfyGrados.

>>31871921
DS is fine for you.

>>31871838
He does a pretty good job of telling them apart in a blind test though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jxdOEpiCTs

>>31871892

>Burn in is very real though, but it's not the driver that's changing, it's the earpads and there are proven tests on this.

I can believe that. In fact, that seems downright... logical and expected. That's not really "burn-in" though, then, is it? "Burn-in," to me, as a phrase, implies the drivers physically being altered over time.

>>31871908
Unlikely, because I compared them with swapped pads, and the 65+K701 pads sound like poo, and the opposite sounds like pressing K701's closer against your ear.

Though at the moment I seem to be the only one with these observations.

>>31871940

If he really is hearing something audibly different, the earpad explanation seems extremely plausible to me.

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No exceptions

got these a few months ago and theyre fucking incredible

>>31871938
Will it be fine for gaming? I rarely play games but when I do its games like Arma 2 where you have to know where shots are coming from.

>>31871978
I don't think tyll burned them in while the pads were being depressed onto something (why put them on a fake head when they're not being listened to?). Seems like they were just playing a signal while sitting on a table.

>>31871891
I do care about the aesthetics of my headphones (to an extent, sound quality still comes first) because I love my headphones.

Having a nice, solid product in your hands is satisfying. Having the greatest sound quality can bring you to another world, even if just for a moment. Having something pretty to look at every morning knowing it's one of the things that gives great pleasure to your life is pleasing. It's just an all around "feel good" experience and that's the point of life, isn't it?

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>>31872026

>A couple of days before I left for CanJam at the Rocky Mountian Audio Fest, I stuck a brand new pair of AKG Q701 on my Head Acoustics measurement head, positioned it properly in the measurement chamber, and closed the door.

>>31872050
>Having something pretty to look at every morning knowing it's one of the things that gives great pleasure to your life is pleasing.

That's what women are for, not tools.

AKG 271 MK II vs ATH M50, the AKG is 4 more dollars on amazon right now. Which one? I like how the AKG looks better, but I've actually tried the m50 in real life and it was fairly comfortable (You guys always complain about it being uncomfortable) and sounded pretty fucking good.

tl;dr what are major differences between 271 mk II and m50, i like how 271's look better but i actually have tried the m50 in person

>>31872081
Why not have both? You don't have to enjoy one thing at a time.

>>31872059
Welp, nevermind then. Still, would a few days on head be long enough to make that much of a change in the foam?

In a perfect world tyll would have brand new earpads for both headphones to rule out that possibility.

>>31872011
Sorry, but bump again.

>>31871809
the 'you're scaring the ladies with all those big words' arguments don't fly here.

>>31872198
Get the DG, its cheaper, and yes its good for gaming, they it has dolby headphone.

>>31872116

Actually in a perfect world he'd test the changes over time with and without the earpads on the headphones.

>>31872333
>without the earpads on
You wouldn't be able to get a seal then (the FR would be wildly different).

>>31872111

I find most people place value in the aesthetic value of most things.

I do not. I only place value in the aesthetic value of art and women. Those are the only two things which I have a logical reason to place aesthetic value in.

>>31872368

Sure, but the FR graphs themselves aren't the point. The changes in the FR graphs over time are the point.

By testing the headphones both with and without the pads on, you'd be able to see if it's the drivers changing, the earpads changing or both, and if both, to what degree for both.

>>31872436
I guess, but it'd be hard to get consistent measurements without the earpads.

>>31872471

With a dummy head, sure.

With a measurement mic on a tripod and some sort of device accurately clamping the headphones into place, notsomuch.

The measurement technique doesn't have to be identical between the two because you're not directly comparing measurements... you're comparing the changes over time.

Fucking ComfyGrados

>>31872401
I kind of vaguely place it on everything.

I mean, I still don't have a nice cellphone, a huge TV, a great car or many of the things people purchase, but I don't mind paying a tiny bit extra for some fancy lights if I think it looks nice.

I still look at my old iPod from like the early to mid 2000s and think it's beautiful. From a value standpoint, it was a terrible deal. But from a happiness standpoint, I'm not sure I'd have it any other way.

I was looking for headphones in the $100 range, I usually listen to chillwave (toro y moi, giraffage, koi, xxyyxx) and hiphop (flying lotus, j dilla, mf doom) and drum and bass. I was looking at the MDRV6's because I can get them from amazon for $50 and the comfiest pads for a total of $70.

So MDRV6's or what?

>>31872652
For that price it's probably your best option.

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>>31871924
These? they're not quite AKG-701's but I don't think they look too bad. With the yellow pads people put on them yes then they become hideous

>>31872919
I think it looks awesome with those yellow pads

>>31872652

You probably don't want MDR-V6s if you're into such bass-heavy music.

If you don't need isolation I'm quite sure you'd be more than happy with the Panasonic RP-HTF600-S and the same velour pads you'd put on the Sonys, the EDT250s, which also fit the Pannies.

The Pannies have excellent bass extension / response and treble which does not overwhelm the bass, unlike the MDR-V6s, which, while possessing adequate bass response, possess treble which can overwhelm the bass, balance-wise.

>>31872953
>Shilling his Panasonic headphones

lel

>>31872953

...er, unless you wanna use EQ, in which case just get the Sonys and, I'm assuming for your tastes, EQ everything but the bass down.

>>31872652
You can also get the jaycar fa-003 rebrands shipped from Australia for $70. They're not that different from the V6 in terms of sound, but they sound a bit better to me. I am not an audiophile, and not pretending to be one so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but still you should take those headphones into consideration.

>>31872973

...have you heard them? They sound like HD650s with better bass extension, a larger soundstage and slightly more veiled upper mids. They're absurdly good for $30.

>>31872973
Not him but they do actually have really good bass. They're a great pain of headphones for $30. Them 50mm drivers do wonders for that price. Obviously they aren't perfect. The pads are a bit shallow which might be an issue for some people. Also they're semi open which means isolation isn't perfect.

>>31873022
>The pads are a bit shallow which might be an issue for some people.

They're absolutely wonderful with the EDT250 velour pads.

>>31872973

You know, this isn't a case of "they're the best because I own them."

It's more like, "I own them, meaning I haven't sold them or given them away, because they're very, very good."

I would no longer own them if they were not excellent.

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>>31873156

...GIS found no matches so I'm assuming that's you.

Do you have three members of the household who each have their own pair?

>>31873192
that's an image from head-fi

ComfyGrados, post your headphone collection

>>31873207

...I guess GIS doesn't crawl head-fi's image servers then. Derp.

>>31873192
>>31873207
>>31873223
They're mine.

>>31873254

Why do you own three pairs?

>>31873281
Why not?

They're for other people to use.

"audio shit-slinging general"

Only discussing headphones. Sad.

My ATH-A700s hurt with my new glasses

:<

>>31873305

Fair enough. They're cheap enough to buy multiple pairs for the use of many, and their sound signature is one that will please almost all.

Can't say I disapprove, good Sir.

>>31873219
>>31873219
>>31873219
>>31873219

>>31873373
ComfyGrados will never deliver.

>mfw he owns a bunch of cheap shitty headphones

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>>31873423

You're right, I won't, but only because it's you who asked.

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>>31873423

I do too, but I post them every chance I get!

What IEMs are considered to be the flattest?

>>31873327
Because headphones are the best way to listen to audio unless you're at a live show.

>>31873498
Probably the ety ER-4whatever.

>>31873504
you're right! just let 'em dangle. Plugging them into anything reduces the sonic clarity.

>>31873504
Please don't provoke people with things like this.

Or the next 100 replies are going to be arguments and shitposting, potentially destroying the whole thread.

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Xonar DG better headphone mod anyone?

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>>31873564
Sorry for stating a fact I guess?

>>31873569
wait, altering a line out to DC-coupled for 'better sound!?' Uhhhhh.....

>>31873596
lol.

Welp, I tried.

>>31873564

I won't let that happen because I'll definitively settle the matter in one post:

Accurate speakers in a properly acoustically treated room > accurate headphones > accurate speakers in a room with improper, inadequate or zero acoustic treatment

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>>31873629
no, it is still AC-coupled. reducing output resinstance in "speaker" mode to lower than the "headphone" output, so two improvements (lower output impedance and the 5532 is way better than the DRV601)

but fyi you're the first knows-a-fucking-thing-about-anything response to this so congrats

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>>31873663
You seem to have confused your greater than/less than signs my brother, allow me to assist you with a correction.
>Accurate speakers in a properly acoustically treated room < accurate headphones < accurate headphones in a room with improper, inadequate or zero acoustic treatment

>>31869989
>thinking of getting MP 8323
>see this

welp! handling it carefully makes it last longer or not?

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>>31873629
basically when you tell a xonar dg / dgx to use "headphone mode" it uses a DRV601 line driver which has all sorts of harmonic fuckmess up above 1K and it is quite audible. it's also got 10ohm output impedance in this mode. this avoids the nastiness of DRV601 mostly, but will also drive more efficient cans directly well enough.

>>31873692
>no, it is still AC-coupled. reducing output resinstance in "speaker" mode

You're replacing capacitors. This doesn't alter impedance (not resistance) in any way. It just allows the full DC offset to hit the headphones. And it's still an opamp output designed for and expecting to see a 10k line impedance on the other side, so who the fuck knows what's going to happen to the stability of the feedback loop.

I'd love to see actual bench measurements of how it affects the output on a spectrum analyzer.

>>31873710
I can say my most used pair of 8323 has been going strong for a year now, so yeah, they can certainly last longer.

google '8323 truemod' for a nice passive EQ for these cans...requires soldering small bits.

>>31873765
Ah, missed the intervening. Bigger caps, not removing the caps. And bypassing the existing output resistors, not the caps.

OK, that's sane. a 5532 is reasonably beefy for power output. Still worried about the feedback loop stability in the low RF though. This will move any resonance poles.

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>>31873710

>handling it carefully makes it last longer or not?

No. I handled mine carefully. This is what happened to them.

>>31873765
I am altering capacitors in the second photo to adjust low freq cutoff point, because I am also changing resistors in the third photo. The photo dump wasn't done. not so fast, quickshot.

I've measured on my scope but it isn't that great...I see more using VA.exe on loopback. it's pretty easy to see the DRV601 vs the 5532 at least. can't say much for the before+after because I have an 8bit scope and its dithering sucks. really the mod just makes the 5532 usable for directly driving cans. pretty basic. it sounds pretty good on 8323 to HD600 (though both of those examples can only get so loud before distortion). more efficient cans in the 50-100ohm range work really well.

>>31873828
> implying anecdotal experience trumps all
shit happens

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>>31873828

This anon also handled his carefully.

>>31873789

>google '8323 truemod' for a nice passive EQ for these cans
>killing the bass to correct an upper midrange deficiency

That's the most retarded mod I have ever read of in my life, holy shit.

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>>31873873
>>31873866

And this anon also handled his correctly.

If you don't believe me, fine. But I'm telling you, straight up: It has a design flaw and it will break.

>>31873866
I've seen at least 5 different pictures on /g/ from different people of it breaking.

>>31873825
the 5532 isn't hard to drive. whatever asus selected on the opamp input works fine. there's no problems with low freq at all, I'm not sure where they'd crop up? fwiw I even replaced the opamp with an AD8397 (for possible higher power output) to see if it would start oscillating and it seems to work fine with asus' values. fwiw it doesn't, I don't see anything anywhere on the 'scope, but it also doesn't seem to let me get any louder than the 5532, so basically a waste =)

I wish I had a better scope, or an audio measurement system to test it further. As it is this DG _is_ my measuring system for amps and shit until I get one. $30 is cheaper than $3000 after all and this is just one of many after-work hobbies.

>>31873873
> doesn't know what an EQ is

>>31873915
also if it is 5 months, monoprice has a warranty. and hell, if you show them the picture, they'll probably just ship another out free of charge. go use it?

>>31873889

It isn't about believing you. It's about your head being the size of a Negro-approved watermelon.

Change your noggin to loli-sized and you won't have these problems.

>>31873974

I do know what an EQ is.

I also owned the Monoprices and know what they sound like.

I also see that the modder is basing his mod on InnerFidelity's HRTF-compensated measurements.

I also have a pretty good idea of what neutral according to InnerFidelity's HRTF-compensated measurements sounds like: kind of like an MDR-V6. So... bright as fuck.

He writes:

>The cans will be a little more forward and mid-oriented after the mod, but will still have solid (just not overdone) bass and should be less fatiguing.

...except he's essentially boosting a huge chunk of the upper mids and only cutting a very small portion of treble which isn't very hot or fatiguing to begin with. I know, I owned them. They're not hot or fatiguing at all in the treble.

I'm pretty damn sure that mod is actually going to make the Monoprices more fatiguing to listen to by bringing up the upper mids so much. Upper mids can be just as harsh and fatiguing sounding as treble and many people confuse upper mids for treble.