Forgot the link.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/04/the-myth-of-americas-tech-talent-shortage/275319/

>>33440858 (OP)
It's true. The "CS Shortage" is basically a scam.

When they say shortage, they mean "we want to pay you suckers even less than we currently do, so bend over and get fucked."

>Windows XP

You have to admit. Being a programmer and making a ton of cash out of college couldn't have lasted forever.

Yes. Don't do CS unless you're really good or really interested in it. It's not a good major right now. You missed the boat about 10-15 years ago when it started really growing and you probably could've gotten away with being moderately good and had a great career in it. Not any more.

>>33440858 (OP)
Keep at it OP! If you study hard and graduate hard and walk hard I'm sure they will change there minds about the influx of Comp Sci.

You'll get a job just fine, don't listen to any of these spergs. It's a good major and it will get you a wide variety of jobs.

All that chink outsourcing man

jump into petroleum engineering, everyone needs those and you get shitloads of money.

This is why I'm going to be a network engineer, love that shit. Don't get me wrong, I'm a moderate tier programmer but big ass servers just get my juices running.
+ setting up media servers for home users is hugee in my country right now, high-paying shit too.

>>33440858 (OP)
When they say shortage they mean a shortage of foreigners who will work more with less pay.

>>33441222
Also, notice how there aren't any articles about "OH GOD THE PETROLEUM ENGINEER SHORTAGES!"

That's because it's not a con

If you're good, or even just average, and in a decent-sized market (read: not Buttcrack, Montana) you'll get a job. It won't me 300k and any job you want, but it'll be decent.

If you suck, yeah, you won't find a job.

That is basically true. I got my degree in computer engineering 3 months ago and the only job that I have got is a replacement for vacations as DBA for 3 weeks.
I dont want to be a douchebag but if you want to study now is a bad time because degree's are considered shit if you dont have 3-5 years of work experience.

>>33441267
it's what I'd do if I hadn't already gone through my whole education.

dem feels.

>>33441267
What about this?
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=3551343&page=1#.UYAPJYbWTcY

>>33440858 (OP)
I'm sure there'll be plenty of positions, you just have to know where to look
A lot of people don't get jobs because they're picky as hell about where they want to go
>inb4 you don't know what it's like
I worked in my university career center for two years in my undergraduate career
most entitled pieces of shit I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with

>>33441327
>people being picky about where they get their first job

What....

>>33441382
exactly
there are people that won't accept a job because of where it is
or, they want to work with only a certain kind of people
I've honestly had people turn down a position because they wanted to work solely with CS majors, and the position required them to work on a team with various professionals
a lot of the people graduating with degrees in CS or math or science that complain about "there aren't any jobs" are just assholes complaining that there aren't any jobs that fit their deluded, elitist visions of society

>>33441525
Do those jobs pay well?
I personally wouldn't mind doing something I don't want to do, but that's in my field, just as long as I get paid decent.
That way, I can work towards a more decent job.

>>33441267
That is until electric cars take over.

in about 4 years.

>>33441582
oh yeah, they pay just as well as the jobs that they would otherwise want to have
sometimes, even more due to travel bonuses or housing reimbursement
people just like to ignore things that don't necessarily agree with them

My father's work has been unable to find new hire engineers, they are looking for roughly 100 of them.

So if Computer Science is bust.... what do?

halp plox

>>33441667
What kind of engineers?

this thread is just a scam to try to scare people away from programming so you can have more of the market share.

>>33441686
Suicide

>>33441699
electrical

>>33440858 (OP)
>CS
>IT
>related
Was that study made by ausfailians?

>>33441715
More broadly I should say design engineer

>>33441639
Wow that sounds fun.
CE/CS major here.
Haven't started my official classes, but its what I've been working towards.
I just don't want to be out of work by the time I get out of college.

>>33441715
Do they also hire computer engineers?

>>33441667
My dad hires for Intel, right now he says they only accept a minimum PHD with at least a 3.5 GPA.

Thank god for nepotism.

>>33440858 (OP)

Get your shit together, graduate with high grades, do optional courses, get professional formation outside of college as well as inside of the college, work your ass off to grab an internship and otherwise do what you can to distinguish yourself.

If you don't, you'll lose your job to others who do.

>>33441747
Yeah they're looking for them as we speak

>>33441612
because we only need petroleum engineers for cars, right?

>>33441704
>CS
>programming

>>33441767
nice

>>33441767
I'm planning to get a PHD.
I'm assuming CS?

>>33441767
Looks like I'll be working for AMD ;_;

>>33441779
cool, that's my major

>computers are literally everywhere
>software is always getting outdated
>need needs for computers will always be popping up

computers aren't going anywhere. And as long as we have computers we will need people to program them.

If you think these statistics are bad for CS majors, just look at basically any non engineering fields. Those people are fucked

We should really consider ourselves lucky

>>33441800
>implying intel needs cs people
They only need a few for their compilers and shit.

>>33441811

:(
Still getting that phd though.

>>33441804
Pretty much this. Looking at my university's information they release, around 64% of the people leaving with CS degrees get jobs straight out of school in their field. This is the highest percentage there.

>>33441715
Fuck. Freshman year as an EE here, but I hate it with a passion and have been considering switching to Computer Science. Hate the idea that if I switch I won't be able to get a job when I get out.

>>33441783
These are the type of people propagating the idea that they're are no jobs in Computer Science.
>I have a bachelor's in Computer Science, I'm too good for some pleb programming job!
No you're not, and they pay decent.

>>33441827
Go the middle route with CE.

>>33441827
Maybe you could go into robotics?

>>33441868
Robots do seem pretty cool...
And as for >>33441849
I've thought about it, its what my Academic Adviser suggested when I told him I wasn't too happy with my choice in EE but since he had done a lot of EE stuff in college, has been trying to keep me in the program.

Worried?

It depends on what you want to worry about. Will you have a job? Sure. Will you make more than a first year elementary school teacher? lol no.

CS majors are wage slaves. Should have went engineering if you wanted employment flexibility.

>>33441899
> implying I'm only getting a software degree
top lel

>>33441908
>did EE in college
>now he's an academic adviser

These articles pop up from time to time.

The problem isn't that there's a shortage of tech talent (or science talent). We're overflowing with PhD's and tech people. We have them falling out our asses.

What we have a shortage of are jobs that offer pay commensurate to the level of education and experience those people have.

All those companies aren't bitching about not being able to find tech-experienced people, they're bitching about not being able to find tech-experience people who will take entry-level office-slave wages.

>>33441913
That's kind of scary considering that first year elementary school teachers get paid jack shit.

>>33441908
I think you should stick it out. My brother and his friend aren't even college graduates and they're running the technology department at their company.

>>33441966
We have weird ass advisers here at UT Dallas. They seem to actually know a thing or two about the course material for the degrees. The ones who work for the School of Engineering and Computer Science actually made flow charts and shit for what classes are needed for what degrees, something no one else gets here.

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Ahh fuck
Don't care, programming is fun
Petroleum engineering sounds like you're gonna be working on an oil rig or something

>>33442149
My uni has flowcharts.

>>33442195
>Petroleum engineering sounds like you're gonna be working on an oil rig or something
Yup. 3 months on, 3 months off. Pretty good gig as long as you dont get killed in the process. Some good geo jobs in that field as well.

>>33441828
The point was
>hurr durr CS = programming!
when it really isn't. You don't need a CS degree to program, though programmers may have a CS degree. Saying programming is all CS is about (which was strongly implied in the post I was replying to) is just as retarded as saying CS is a subset of IT.

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>mfw today, my professor told me that there won't be any more need for SysAdmins because everything will be moved to "The Cloud"

>>33442334
But what about the cloud's system admins?

>>33442334
>Those who don't know shit, teach

>>33442422
there can only be one

>>33442422
>implying the Cloud won't admin itself

Specialize. Find a profitable niche.

.......What about CE?

>all this disinfo

Just faggots pissed they didn't get into CS or IT. It's probably the fastest growing field in the world

>>33442480
excellent opportunities, better than CS

>>33441222
I did a chem/petro engineering degree. The first job I got after a year of job hunting was a job working in a warehouse doing the same shit I did before college. I live in the middle of the marcellus shale. None of the drilling companies want to train recent graduates, and there are plenty of seasoned texans who will go where the rigs are for work.

Good thing we are have not had a disgruntled engineering grad go on a killing spree or do a terrorist attack. The body count they would rack up would put everyone else who did something similar since 9/11 to shame. One of the leaders of the 9/11 plot was an unemployed PhD civil engineer.

>>33442334
>>mfw today, my professor told me that there won't be any more need for SysAdmins because everything will be moved to "The Cloud"
He's almost absolutely right. Most operations are being consolidated. Outside of fortune 10000 companies there is very little need for more than 3 or 4 sysadmins deployments. Everything little business IT will be run by some burntout CS major that's "the IT guy". The one exception is the medical field; thanks HIPAA.

>>33442422
>>33442446
>>33442471
>>33442676

oh fuck, he was right then

I was going to get my IT degree in the Sys Admin track, but it is not too late to switch over to Forensics (lel yeah right) or Business Intelligence or Information Architecture!

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>>33442676

>MFW when your professor is an ass-hat and you still need SysAdmins to run the "Cloud".

Tell that bitch I said this to.

>>33442498
>yes, goyim, continue paying for your CS or IT degree!

Are there any EXTREMELY demanding fields in CS which other people won't take because people find it so hard, and it the same time could give dosh?

>>33442930
>yes goyim, dont go into CS or IT, get an art degree like a good goy, there are no STEM jobs and it's oversaturated

just about to finish freshman year for cs, you have me somewhat worried now

>>33443141
Don't worry, the job market is shit no matter what major you are.

>>33443141
>highest job growth
>most jobs being created every year
>every year more and more things are becoming computer dependent
>most people suck with computers

You picked a good field.

get a master's degree in it you'll be fine

>>33440858 (OP)
Really that paragraph shows that our graduates aren't smart or hard working enough even after graduating with those degrees

>>33443141
Good luck finding a job with those pretty pictures of circles and arrows. Seriously though, you better be better than the other CS students somehow.

the world still needs network designers r-right?

>tfw everyone and their mother has a degree these days and you don't feel clever or special by having one now

>>33440858 (OP)

>CompSci

You're fucked.

Should've went software engineering.

>>33443310
>implying SE isnt a subsection of CS

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>Yes, the field is oversaturated! I made good decisions in life!

>>33443327

Butthurt CS.

>>33443288
lel

>>33443290
Aim for a PhD.

>>33443176
lel

>>33443172
lel

>>33442753
top lel

Get a PhD in Mathematics. $300k starting.

>>33443332
>life sciences: 5%
Well, at least me and my genetics degree aren't as badly affected as maths majors

>>33443347
My focus is software engineering so no butthurt here

>>33443327

You do however learn a lot of things that engineers do, which broadens your job choices to things like software engineering for industrial applications, automation in factories, etc.

CompSci you are pretty much fighting with everyone for an every-man generic "app" job.

>>33443327

>implying SE and CS aren’t largely orthogonal

>>33443310

>’ve went

Feels good going into systems administration instead.

Don't even care if the pay is very great, as long as the market isn't oversaturated

>>33443332
B-b-but my over saturated major
B-b-but my no jobs

>tfw study in interaction design as a ssub group from CS

I could just shoot myself and end up better right?

>>33443440
>implying no bubble

>>33443462
>bubble
>more and more things are switching to computers every day

>>33443458
Start applying for McDonalds now

>>33443462
Yes, computer science is a bubble. Pretty soon it will pop and we'll all go back to how things were before.

Are you this stupid?

Most CS students are autistic, if you have any social skills whatsoever you will not have trouble getting a job.

>>33443478
I have fine social skills and I've got no job from the last 20 interviews I've attended

>>33440858 (OP)
You have a few things to consider, OP. What school are you at, how good do you think you are/will be at CS and are you willing to move to a tech hotspot?

The article you posted is mostly full of shit. The reason so many CS/IT grads find it hard to find jobs is either because they're below average or they live in a shitty area.

Big companies are willing to spend crazy amounts of money to hire the best people from overseas and bring them to the US to work for them. If workers in the US were just as good, you can bet these companies wouldn't be spending all that money. It's not a matter of being able to pay foreigners cheaper wages, either. I am graduating from a foreign university in two months and two days ago I accepted an offer from a major tech company for a US-based position. My starting salary is US$100,000.

I went to a supposedly elite school and my GPA is lower than 3. If you don't go to a great school, make sure you try really hard and get the best possible marks that you can. It's also really important that you learn about the things these companies want you to know. In particular, they want you to be very knowledgable about data structures and algorithms and you should have a decent knowledge of computer systems. Learn to write C, as well, as it is very useful in understanding how computers actually work. Two great books are "The Algorithm Design Manual" and "Computer Systems: A Programmer's Perspective" if your courses don't cover these topics in detail.

Finally, you do need to be willing to move to a tech hotspot if you want an interesting, high-paying job. Good programmers are in high demand in certain areas of the country, not so much in other areas.

>>33443377
>He thinks that makes him safe
dohohohooh

>>33443501
Then you don't have social skills

>>33440858 (OP)
Stick with computer science all the way. Get a PhD, never leave academia, do your own research, write an epic algorithm and name it after yourself, whole nine yards. Fuck those losers who are only in it for a job, they have no business calling themselves computer scientists.

Damn guys... Looks like we should all give up on our CS degrees and get a useful degree like English.... oh wait

>>33443509
>foreign university
Stopped reading there, pleb

>>33443501
Well in that case you're either stupid or you're deluded about your social skills. I've received an offer from every place I've ever interviewed.

>>33443533
>he thinks it isn't because CS has no jobs and the entire field is a con

>>33443560
> US tech companies hiring tens of thousands of foreign workers every year
> CS has no jobs!
face it, the US education system is just fucked

>>33443552
>lying to convince others that CS has jobs
Yes, good goyim

I was thinking of switching a Film major

>>33443604
>average h1-b wage is 80% lower than average domestic
>implying companies aren't just exploiting cheap labor
Next you'll tell me outsourcing = there's jobs in manufacturing -- just move to china!

>>33443613
It's not a lie. I left out that I've only interviewed at three places, but it's true.

Also, the fewer people in my field, the more money I make. Why would I lie to get people into my field?

>>33443604
Not even just the education system. The economy too. The companies hire foreigners because chances are much greater they'll work for less pay with equal or greater skill, maximizing the profits for the company

>>33443630
I laffed

>>33443613
Okay then, CS has no jobs. More money for me dumbass

>>33440858 (OP)
Meh. It's still got to have more opportunities than most anything in liberal arts.

>>33443646
>I left out that I've only interviewed at three places
DURR HURR n=3 MY CLAIM IS PROVEN

>>33443509
>american obsession with "elite" schools

I never got this. All they do is create an aristocracy of rich people who "donated" enough to get their kids into the college. We have had only 1 president who went to a non-ivy league school. Most of the members of congress went to an ivy league school.

If a real revolution would occur in the US the Ivy League schools would be burned and most of their faculty and administration would be killed. They would not be missed since they don't contribute anything significant as far as research goes. Smaller state related schools put out far much more useful research.

>This thread
I can't imagine physicists or chemists or biologists or astronomers talking about their field the way you bastards do. Everyone thinks of CS as a way to get a code-monkey-license, hardly anyone's in it for the science.

>>33443660
>implying he isn't also a CS major thinking the same thing

>There are no jobs for SysAdmins
You fucking wot m8? You think ``the cloud'' is magic?

>>33441823
The article says that "less than 2/3 of CS graduates have a IT related job a year after graduation." This is semantically the same as saying that 64% ("less than 2/3") get jobs right out of (within a year) of finishing school.

This article is just trying to make things look worse than they are with their wording.

>>33443680
that's because it's not a fucking science

also, this happens in all fields where there are actually jobs outside of academia. i guarantee you chemists talk about the money they'll make at pharma companies all the time.

>>33443674
>We have had only 1 president who went to a non-ivy league school. Most of the members of congress went to an ivy league school.
Demonstrably false.
http://www.presidentsusa.net/collegelisting.html

Congressman is easy to find too --it's a miniscule number.

>They would not be missed since they don't contribute anything significant as far as research goes.
Lol.

Bad troll.

>>33443674
>Marxist
Wanna go out sometime?

>>33443719
The article does a lot of that.
>Colleges, for instance, are already minting far more programmers and engineers than the job market is absorbing. Roughly twice as many American undergraduates earn degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math disciplines than go on to work in those fields.
>trying to make a point about programming jobs and Computer Science
>lump math and life science majors into the equation to skew the statistics
Yeah, fantastic journalism. No jobs indeed.

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Good thing I'm already working private contracts as a sophomore at a community college. I've heard programmers are over-saturated, but I've also heard most graduates with bachelors degrees in CS can't write fizzbuzz in their language of choice.

>>33443812
>>lump math and life science majors into the equation to skew the statistics
What the fuck do you think STEM means?

It's very easy to get a job when you can convince them (in person, through connections) that they need you enough to hire you without getting dumped in the HR pile where your resume will only be read by a regular expression. HR is only concerned about not being sued for discrimination, which of course H-1bs can't do.

>>33443674
Yeah, it's pretty strange. Bear in mind that "elite" doesn't necessarily mean Ivy League, though. UW, UCB and MIT are all elite CS schools, for instance. Companies just want to know that you've learnt certain topics. Instead of spending the time to ask you and find out properly, they just reject you if those topics aren't covered in your schools curriculum.

Meh, worked out great for me. Elite schools aren't hard to get into where I'm from.

>>33443471
>>33443477
It's like nobody remembers the aftermath of dotcom crash.
You are parroting the same exact shit was said in late 90s.

>>33440858 (OP)
I got into CS because I was intrigued by computers (that was back in 1978). I was not very good at it but I liked it so much I was reading everything I could get my hands on that was related to computers. But enough about me. If you like it, stick with it. If you don't, try medicine or clinical sciences, last resort pharmaceuticals (the science not the good shit).

>>33443825
>Colleges, for instance, are already minting far more programmers and engineers than the job market is absorbing.
>Roughly twice as many American undergraduates earn degrees in science, technology, engineering, and math disciplines than go on to work in those fields.
Do you still not see the issue?

>Fields A and B are oversaturated
>this can be demonstrated by this figure, which is an amalgamation of the employment rates of fields A and B, as well as fields C through J

How does a CS grad get into bioinformatics?

>>33443875
You don't.

Useless pleb.

>think of being a pharmacist
>well it's oversaturated and the work is way to hard for what you do
>okay i'll go into computer science
>well it's oversaturated and there are to many CS majors
>okay well i'll go be a history or english teacher
>what a faggot, he's not getting a STEM degree, enjoy your shit degree

>>33443836
If you can describe to me the process that would cause the world to require less workers in the tech industry, I'll take you seriously.

The dot-com bubble was a financial bubble, not an employment bubble you retard. They're not even remotely comparable because the mechanisms that cause a bubble in those two regards are completely different.

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>>33443891

is there really an issue or is it just a bunch of people crying because programming jobs arent offering 70k right out the gate?

>>33443948
I would turn down an offer of $70k. That's fairly low.

Most internships pay more.

>>33443985
This is why all of you are unemployed. Mystery solved.

>>33443875
You take about 3-4 classes and you're in.
There was a biology BSc in my second year of CS who was converting to bioinformatics, and one of my TAs was a former CS master's who went into bioinfo, so my sources are solid.

>>33440858 (OP)
don't worry
there are still a lot of very high paying jobs
for, get this, talented, yes, talented p-p-prog-g-gramers
not idiots

>>33444003
>applied to hundreds of jobs and internships in college
>get 2 dozen interviews
>0 offers
>problem must be because you want too much money

Food and gas are not free, neither is my time. If you wanted me to intern you need to be paying $10/hr if I lived locally and $15/hr if I had to move for the summer. Anything under 50k/yr for a job offer would be a joke.

>>33444003
>implying I'm unemployed

I think we need to draw a distinction between the different fields in computer science. If you're doing something inane or barely computer-science related like web-dev, yeah, you're worthless and you're going to get paid shit. On the other hand, if you're like me, doing computational geometry, parallel programming, all things GPU-related, your skills are in higher demand.

>>33444093
>get a CIS degree
>co-op program final year for 40k a year while going to school
>gets raised to 60k a year finished school

Sounds like you went to a shitty school

>>33444093
>being this entitled when unemployed
Sack up or get out

>>33444111
>CIS degree
CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGES!

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That feel when you're lurking this thread, everyone is talking about which degrees are shittiest, and your only thought is... "I wish I could get a degree"

>>33444135
oops

>>33444111
>tfw accepted in co-op program
>tfw co-op program cancelled because of hypocritical bigots students who wanted their 15 minutes of fame decided to go on strike
>tfw the only way to get into a co-op program now is to start again from year 1

>>33444093
haha wow. i started out at 35k. granted i'm not a programmer but still...

>>33444152
Don't worry, that's what everyone else is thinking too. That's why they're compensating so hard.

>>33443836
The article explicitly says that real wages have remained "stagnant" since the 90s. That doesn't sound like an employment bubble to me.

>>33444152
Even with a degree you wont get a job nerd.

>>33444152
Why can't you?

>>33444118
>make $0/hr
>gas still costs $3.50/gal and bread is $2.50/loaf

This kind of work makes a killing spree followed by life in prison with 3 hots and a cot a good deal.

>>33443818
Really?
Jesus fucking Christ.

>>33444180
But without a degree you'll never get a job anyway.

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>>33444211
>you are THIIIIIIS retarded

>>33444211
omg I can't post a new thread... this is so embarising

>>33444195
>a bloo bloo bloo things cost money
Deal with it

>>33444185
No funds man. I fucked up in english, and now college is over. 1 semester in and i'm done. I truly tried, I really did, but I guess I just suck.

now i'm applying to frys, apple retail, applebees, mcdonalds, and everywhere else hoping i'll be able to make enough, and get enough hours to just keep my apartment, my food, and my internet.

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>mfw my best friend is in princeton doing CompSci and I have an internship on wallstreet starting in 2 weeks

>>33444251
Doing what?

>>33444251
>internship

Enjoy making nothing while seeing rich cunts have it all.

>>33444165
I was an engineer. We read up on average starting salaries and their standard distribution. Anything less than 50k/yr would be an insult.

>>33444243
OK I am going to smear your brains on the pavment so I can have the $50 in your wallet. Sounds like a fair trade,

>>33444224
i know right, the extension said new thread....

>>33444201
Not him, but it's true. Most people who graduate with a CS or SE degree are shitty programmers who got in because they were told it's a field you can make money in.

>>33444293
How do you get in without even programming in FizzBuzz?

>>33444329
*getting past FizzBuzz

it's 2AM and I'm tired.

>>33444293

I know that's what I (was) going to go in it for, but I hate proramming and logic. Thing is, all I'm really interested in is computers and I don't know what else to major in. I don't even really want to go to Uni (too old) but I'm already in debt so can't quit now.

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>>33444251
>mfw I interned at a US Department of Energy facility last summer
>mfw I don't even go to a top-tier university
Just let them make themselves feel better. No opportunity in computing, over-saturated, etc. etc.

>>33444266
3 month internship and then I'm hired. My uncle is a manager and I'm borderline guaranteed it.
>>33444263
Investment Banking

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>mfw most students in ANY given degree don't apply for jobs out of their bumfuck town because they're afraid to move outside of their comfort zone

>mfw most students in any given degree can't write a resume for shit

>mfw when most students in any given degree are aspie weirdos that can't look people in the eye, shake hands, or do anything remotely sociable without spilling spaghetti all over the floor

>mfw when most students in any given degree are fairly lazy, incompetent, and not half as smart as they think they are

>>33444368
Blech, enjoy your excel/powerpoint day in day out.

Good on you though, that's solid work.

>>33444273
Did you also read up on state-by-state distributions of employment in the field and their relationship to cost-of-living expenses?

>>33444395
I always wanted a nice desk job to be honest, a cubicle with a high paying salary is my dream and I may finally get it. If I have to wear a suit to work I feel successful

>>33444350
I want to get into artificial intelligence, but giving the current job market that seems impossible. Swarm Intelligence is a rapidly evolving field, though.

>>33444329
You don't have to be able to program to enroll in a CS/SE degree. Once you're in, you copy your friends work and/or cut/paste from the internet for the assignments and then memorize all the theory just long enough to pass the exams. You scrape through your degree with shitty marks but you get the piece of paper at the end.

This isn't unusual. I'd say at least 30% of the people in my graduating class did this.

>>33440911
Yep, it means "programmers are too expensive, give us more h1b visa exemptions"

>>33444378
B-b-but i'm social
B-b-but i'm smart
B-b-but I applied to over 100000000 places and never shook anyones hands and had a shitty resume and didn't get hired so obviously my degree is shit

>>33444329
The teachers walk them through every project.

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okay, douchefags
anyone with real-world work experience have any ACTUAL input for those of us who are just now getting our degrees?

no, I'm not changing my major

>>33444347
CS degrees don't emphasize programming. There are CS majors who graduate without really writing any projects.

>>33444378

Moving out of town is a big step man. I moved states almost 2 years ago and I'm still dealing with massive depression and being separated from my family.

>>33444378
>mfw I didn't even write a resume
I just found one on the internet and copypasted my information.

>>33444455
Degree is in CS?

Do you have a job?

>>33444426
>touching somebodies hand
Do they really expect you to do that?

>>33444426
true this. the difference between shitty and good social skills are very nuanced and I wouldn't expect the /g/ population to understand

>>33443755
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science
Just. Stop.

>>33443755
It's a "formal science" you fucker.

>>33444481
yes LOL
>>33444470
Junior with 2 high paid internships lined up, I'm gonna drop one based on whether or not I fail the drug test

>>33444483

It takes all types to make up the world. Western society has convinced everyone that they have to be social butterflies to get by, and it certainly helps but it isn't required. Just be able to do the basics.

>>33444455
What kind of input do you want? My advice is:
> get involved in open source development, start a project and maybe contribute to another project
> do internships
> be willing to move to SF, seattle, austin or NY
> learn how to write a good resume (google "steve yegge resume tips")
> learn how to handle interview questions (google "steve yegge phone interview")
> make sure you're not a raging autist

>>33444514
>Junior with 2 high paid internships lined up
So what's the problem?

>>33444470
anon who asked the question here. yes
and no. I honestly haven't worked all 21 years of my life and I feel like I'm fucked which is why any input is good.

>>33444540
There isn't a problem. Getting internships and jobs is dogshit easy if you can charm them.
>>33444520
Sadly, employers think that the ability to work in a team is the most important attribute for any profession.

You could always start your own company.
No, seriously, if you have no debt (instantly, 99% of the people who were reading are not) just apply for some kind of loan and go into some bullshit product like CryptDB if you're really good at programming and have decent social skills.

>>33444562
Try to get a job at your schools IT helpdesk, it is how I got started.

>live in information age
>hurr durr there's no more any need for software developers and engineers
I can't make sense in any of that tbh.

>>33444562
>I honestly haven't worked all 21 years of my life and I feel like I'm fucked which is why any input is good.
I'm on the same boat bro. See you in the real world

>>33444399
My state was one of the hotspots for the degree I went to college for.

>>33443898
I do wonder sometimes what major would not get bitched at/about.

>>33444528
Are you implying that:
>open source development = huge success
?

>>33444633
It's similar to if it was world war 2 and 4chan existed and someone is like, yeah i'm joining the army and then he has a ton of retards telling him no one is fighting and there isn't a war so he shouldn't be a soldier

What should I major in if I just want a 9-5 job making about $50k USD?

>>33444459
That's because you're a weak person.

>>33444661
Nothing ever

I even considered business
But again.

>no jobs, over saturated, stop wasting time, low wages

>>33444663
I'm "implying" that when recruiters for big companies see an open source project on their resume it shows them you're passionate about the field and not just in it for the money. I'm also "implying" that it's helpful to have worked on a sizable project by yourself so that when you inevitably get asked in an interview "tell me about a project you worked on" you have an impressive, verifiable answer.

>>33444693
Teacher

>>33444693
let people shit in your mouth for porn

>>33444713
Have to be willing to move. Much lower average in a lot of states.

>>33444701

I agree with you.

>>33444706
>this is what open sores tards actually believe

>>33443364
Doing a degree in maths. There are very few great jobs in maths. I could become a teacher, or an accountant, but that's pretty average.

>>33444769
>states
Oh an american, teacher wage in canada is at least 60k and usually higher if you have a masters. My old physics teacher made 80k and my history teacher made 70k

>>33444706
I have been in interviews with my workgroup when we are looking for new candidates and every time we ear that we just laugh after the interview from the kid trying to be special or superior to the rest of the candidates. No offence.

>>33444816
In Australia, you can achieve Level 3 Primary Teacher in about a year if you become IT admin at the school - which any one of us could do quickly.

That's 97k starting. 120k+ For principal. 150k+ For university lecturer.

>>33444850
>I won't be able to work for a shitty company
Oh nooooooo

>>33444858
Pretty similar here too. It's actually what i'm thinking of doing. I would love to get into a primary school because it's slack work and all I would have to do is maintain a fucking email server for the school and teach kids about word or powerpoint on the computer.

>>33444873
Living with your parents must be pretty cush.

>>33444777
I am not that guy and have had many such experiences. Winshill b gone.

>>33444907
>implying I live with my parents

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/01/24/college-degrees-with-the-highest-starting-salaries-2/

Article from earlier this year. If it was over saturated then it would not have such a high starting salary.

>>33444416
That is what I did to get through my programming classes.
How did you know? But I am more into design so I think I will be ok.

>>33444989
>business 3rd

Wut

>>33444416
se doesn't even require programming, it's about managing teams and drawing diagrams.

im going into CS/CE and you cant stop me

>>33445022
Business isn't even on the list, unless you're talking about Finance, which is eighth.

Fuck off with your disinformation already.

Meanwhile salaries for net admins/engineers is at an all time high

>>33440858 (OP)
The most important thing is, in my opinion (and if you stay reasonable with your choice), to choose a job / major like, find interesting, are motivated for. this will most likely automatically lead to the best outcome to you.
if not, you'd just slave in a job your whole life, without actually liking it (=suicide at 30y)

do what you want.

>>33444582
>Sadly, employers think that the ability to work in a team is the most important attribute for any profession.
Take it from a introvert that you do not have to be super social to work well in a team. If anything it helps to get work done instead of calling 10,000 meetings for every project.

>math degree
>going to master in machine learning or artificial intelligence
Is this wise?

>tfw did IT
>tfw got a bunch of certs over the summer
>tfw tons of job opportunities
>tfw just going to work at a school and teach web design and info tech
>tfw benefits and summers off

Fuck yeah

>>33445133
AI is a dead field

>>33445045
same here man
CSE major at a UC this following year, gl man.

>>33445180
Elaborate?

>>33444643
Try being 23 have mental handicaps and no over the table work exp.
Even if I wanted something better I would lose my insurance which pays for my meds, No meds = no work.

>>33444989
What is a gravy train?

>>33445180
How is it dead? We haven't even made anything comparable to human intelligence yet.

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>>33443364
>PhD in Mathematics

work at a startup, you get equity stake in company. its really worth it.

That's because most CS majors expect to work at google, apple or microsoft and when they can't work there they huff and haw and bitch and moan and dont get a job at all.

>>33445180
Self driving cars are on the horizon. Facial recognition and voice transcription is getting better and better, and almost all web services that do anything useful use it. AI isn't just for the AI in your vidya gaems you know.

I went to school for software engineering, graduated last summer, and got a salary starting at 90k. Just get a 3.0 GPA and you can work pretty much wherever you want in the country.

Everyone who disagrees was too stupid to get a job offer or too smart to encourage stupid fucks like you to compete for these decent jobs.

>>33445342
>90k
that's quite a bit. are you in California/NY/some other high-cost-of-living area?

>never see people in these threads that are going into ME
Good, let's keep it that way, I want a job.

>>33445500
>ME
>job
lel everythings electrical now, no one wants MEs anymore

>>33445500
At least a third of the people I've met in my first year of college are ME's

>3rd year EE

S-should i be worried /g/

>>33445180
>dead
>major breakthrough finally making deep nets possible in 2006

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>>33445180
>AI is a dead field
>my face when

I'm a CS student and the areas I'm interested have no job market anymore.
>computational biology

>>33445520
>>33445500
Still not worried, going to a good school, in a hotspot. I also have a lot more job options than a lot of tech degrees.

still taking basics. what's the toughest part of a CS degree and what advice would you have for someone majoring in CS?

>>33441715
>electrical

where do I send my resume? Just graduated. I have a year of Co-op experience.

>>33441767
>My dad hires for Intel, right now he says they only accept a minimum PHD with at least a 3.5 GPA.

so they want to only hire foreigners, right?

>>33442149
thats most engineering schools. Eng departments take a lot more serious than other departments.

(not that engineering school isn't full of college bullshit)

>>33444152
I laughed out loud then i realized i'm in the same boat in about every sense... Then i laughed some more because autism.

>>33442564
>Good thing we are have not had a disgruntled engineering grad go on a killing spree or do a terrorist attack.

It will happen someday, and it will be awe striking.

The zeitgeist knows this is coming. Most supervillains are based on this idea.

Giant walking death robot spiders.

Just you wait and see.

>>33445819
There's a lot less college bullshit at UTD than you'd think. Most everyone are just the Asian kids who can't be more than 10 feet from their parents, so nothing really happens. Hell, most the students commute.

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>>33442149
thats where im going this fall. Any tips? how is the engineering dept?

>>33446031
forgot to mention CE major

>>33446031
dear internet stop photoshopping asses.

>>33445720
The part where you have to complete 4 team projects spanning the whole semester in teams of 5 in the same semester and 3 to 4 of your teammates leave unexpectedly on every single project.

>>33444989
I should've went into chem E, everything about it seems more interesting than what I've done in CS, but I'm already a senior. I took CS expecting more Comp E stuff though and found out most companies treat it as an IT degree so it was my mistake anyway.

>>33446031
Be prepared to deal with a lot of accents, otherwise the department is pretty nice the professors do know what they're talking about and there's a fair amount of money in the TA's so you can usually find one for help if you need it no problem. Also, UTD is balls boring. Seriously. Unless you're gorgeous and in which case as one of my friends has proven, you can have a different chick pretty much every night, you're gonna just sit in your dorm and be studying all the time.

Can Electrical engineers get computer engineering jobs?

>>33446179
No. The converse, however, is true.

>>33442149
They have flow charts at U Minnesota Twin Cities too, at least for engineering, not sure about anything else. I also remember U Michigan handing them out when I was applying to schools.

>>33441767

My dad works for Nintendo and says things are similar there.

>>33446179
At my uni EE and CpE pretty much take the same classes. CpE probably takes a few extra hardware related classes

>>33446111
the fuck u talkin bout nigga cs is way more in depth then information systems, cybersecurity, whatever bullshit you wanna call it

>>33446135
Damn, you guys at least party right? Even in high school my friends and I drink and smoke a lot of weed. I'm considering just staying with my friends at a community college because i'll know for a fact i'll have a fun social life.

I live in the DC metropolitan area, fairfax,VA to be exact, and im planning to study compsci, you think i will be able to get a job after i graduate preferably something for the government since its only a train ride away?

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Go for software engineering rather than just CS.

Then at least you have a stronger background and are an 'engineer' meaning you have better chances at getting a job.

>>33441804
>can't grasp that programming is incredibly easy to outsource due to the very fact computer are everywhere