>>30982943 (OP)

That is a pretty fucking wicked looking monitor design wise.

Whats the point of a 120hz monitor though unless you want to do 3d?

I am curious how much it would effect video card performance to try and boost it up though.

>>30982983
its twice the smoothness of 60hz. as soon as you move the mouse you notice the difference. its buttery smooth like a CRT monitor. no blurring in games when you turn or move fast. everything is just crisp and awesome. 60Hz looks like utter shit after you try it.

TN looks like utter shit after you try IPS

>>30983023

What kind of card are you using with it? I do find I occasionally get a jolting feel on my eyes in some games when moving fast or turning the camera, but I kind of doubt doubling the refresh would necessary smooth it out.

>>30983065
good TN is about as good as IPS. The angles aren't as good but who gives a shit unless you like people watching from the side.

Are there any 120hz IPS monitors yet?

>>30983072
GTX 590

I get over 120FPS in all my games so it's great

>>30983106
no real ones. Just that ghetto korean shit. IPS isn't good though because it has slower response times on pixels.

>>30983106
Mitsubishi made a fake one with interpolation

>>30982943 (OP)
>2013
>Not using a 3600x1920 wall of displays.

Fixed that for you

>>30983133
after 1920x1080 resolution isn't really important.

>>30983065
Based on my nexus 7, IPS isn't that impressive

Because I had to choose between upgrading my PC and upgrading my monitor.

>>30983157
>Based on my nexus 7
Wow, it's fucking nothing

i don't got the dosh

Because there are no cost effective 120Hz monitors

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MasterRace Reporting in.

>>30983113

Whats the comparable ATI card number?

And man, I could actually afford to get one of these, but paying 800-1000+ for a new monitor when I have a 27" Samsung (non LED) that works fine is a bit hard to justify.

Especially since I have a main monitor in portrait mode that would still be 60hz so other than gaming on the other screen it wouldn't matter much. Unless it somehow would effect watching video on the second screen.

>>30983157
not all IPS are great. Tablets have shitty IPS screens. Dell Ultrasharps have decent ones but they are pure shit for gaming. If you don't do graphic design IPS is mostly useless.

>>30982983
I am using that monitor. Fucking shit monitor does not have VESA so I am stuck with it on my desk. I wish I had bought the Alienware 120Hz instead

>>30983185
>i got my 120hz 24" samsung in 2012 for $220
>i got my 60hz 24" benq in 2006 for $250~

>>30983192
>Whats the comparable ATI card number?
6990

>>30983229
Show me a 120hz monitor for $220

>>30983187
I have that monitor. Is yours the 23" or 27" Mine is the 27 and it's fucking beast for gaming. It's like it takes way less effort to get headshots now.

>>30983294
27" it's amazing. It actually looks really good for TN

>>30982943 (OP)
My computer can't even run windows at 30fps, let alone 60, or 120.
And that's at 1080p, too.

>>30983288
You can get an Acer 24" for $250 all the time on newegg.

They had the Asus 27" 120hz for $250 on amazon a while ago. gotta find deals

There are no guarantee 120hz 2560x1440 panels. And I haven't see any good 120hz IPS panels. And I really enjoy this resolution, and IPS. My 21 inch TN has visible distortion when I try and view it from a straight angle. So does my friends asus 120hz panel.

>>30983343
samsung uses the best panels. asus and acer always use shitty ones.

>>30982943 (OP)
Since my question doesn't warrant a new thread...

My screens have been flickering when scrolling past text in a couple spots lately and on some colors text trails when I scroll.

What do?

>>30983336
I thought the Acer is not a "real" 120Hz? More like it takes a 60Hz input and duplicates it to get 120Hz, hence you get lagging feeling during gaming

>>30983374
get 120hz monitor

>>30983366
I doubt I would enjoy the colors as much as my ips though. And I think I would have a problem with the res. 2560x1440 has more clarity, and a lot more screenspace. I know these panels can do 120hz at least some of them. Why don't any manufactors make tested 120hz panels. Even the ones from that 120hz website aren't guaranteed.

>>30983374
Here

>>30983381
>>30983366
>tfw I got 2 acer monitors for free from Staples and they were listed as 1.5ms response rate
>tfw They were actually 5ms

>>30983343

Does IPS prevent that weird feeling like your looking straight at the monitor but not really seeing what it should show?

Does it help prevent reflections and glare from lighting sources around the room?

It may very well be a good idea for me to get one if that is the case and the visuals annoy the fuck out my eyes. Especially on my portrait monitor on an arm, which is just old sub led LCD so slight angles distort it like mad.

>>30982943 (OP)
Because muh 12 bit panel and Adobe sRGB.
Now if they can also give me 120 Hz while keeping everything else the same (sans price), I'd buy it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824260038

>>30983445
>Does it help prevent reflections and glare from lighting sources around the room?
that would be ag

>>30983445
>Does IPS prevent that weird feeling like your looking straight at the monitor but not really seeing what it should show?
color variation is less, yes

>>30983097
>people actually believe this

>>30983023
>buttery smooth
i fucking hate you

>>30983445
Well colors don't really distort that much at all on it. They will if you look from extreme angles. And yeah if you are doing a test there is some small amounts of distortion even at small angles but it isn't that bad at all.

As for preventing the glare IPS doesn't help no, you need Antiglare for that, which distorts the image slightly. I can't say how much you will care but I know directly comparing my 21 inch 1080p with AG to my 2560x1440 without and the 2560 is way more clear. They have a very similar pixel density so it is probably the antiglare. Semi gloss from what I hear seems to be a good solution but good luck finding a 2560x1440 with semi gloss.

>>30983496

What brands and models are good IPS at a decent price? Probably 1080p prefered, but a higher resolution at a good cost may be a nice jump.

>>30983374
Anyone know what might be going on with my monitor?

catleap master race

>>30983653
You can't buy them overclockable for good prices at all anymore. 2b wasn't made for very long. If you have a version with no dead pixels than yeah it is master race.

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>>30983097
This is the results I got from the site below with my TN next to my shimian. Yes I know its horrible quality, but I lack a better camera and the image was made solely to show color distortion which it does despite the bad quality.

http://www.mediachance.com/images/pattern2.html

>>30983800
those catleaps are a ticking timebomb. who knows when they will burn out?

>>30983604
The Asus VG23AH or the Dell U2312HM would probably be the best 1920x1080 displays for cheap. The Asus has some flickering which most people don't notice, and most cheap LED panels have some flicker.

If you want a better value with a slight risk get a 2560x1440 Korean IPS. They are a great value if you don't get one with dead pixels everywhere. Most don't, a good amount come with no dead pixels, it is still a risk though as if anything happens no real warranty.

>>30983023
That also ups the post-processing. Not good for games.

Guys, I'm thinking of buying a crossover 27-Q. Good idea y/n?

I got an opportunity to buy some old lacie 1280x1024s but im wary due to their age

>>30983974
same shit as the catleap really, it's a gamble

>>30983993
So paying for the pixel perfect version is a good idea?

>>30984034
Not really. Its not always true.

>>30983974
I would go for it, I don't have one of those personally I do have a shimian. It is probably the best monitor I have owned. By far. The Crossover is the same quality panel just a different shell. There is still a risk, there always is when buying a monitor but normally you have a warranty.

I have an eyefinity setup. While I'd love to have all my monitors 120hz, the problem is that they're all TN and TN is fucking dog shit for eyefinity.

Because I don't want to spend money on a costly new GPU and new Monitor...60fps is plenty for me.

>>30984034
>>30984059
You can still get dead pixels with pixel perfect versions though it is less common. Mine had a dead pixel it is in the bottom right hand corner. I never notice it if I don't look for it so I don't care, but still I did buy a version that claimed it would have no dead pixels.

>>30984061
This is twice the risk.

Usually you have a warranty, and the build quality is not total shit, in comparison.

Atleast paypal has my back, got a used one they claim is in perfect condition two days ago.

Saturday better come soon.

>>30984097
Then send in a claim with pictures, and most of the reputable sellers will refund you the premium.

>2013
>having a job
>having money

pfft I wish

>>30984120
They will, I already contacted them. Haven't got the claim because my camera can't detect it. I have a shitty one. My friends can though and he is gonna come over this weekend. After I will send it to them.

>>>/v/

>>30984108
I guess with used and these monitors it might actually be better than new. If the user is in the US you could probably get them to send pics of backlit bleed and dead pixels if any. And it isn't like you would have a warranty if you got it new.

>>30983928

Hmm I could get the Asus 23 and 27 inch to replace my current 21 (hp with shitty touch) portrait main and 27" samsung tv/monitor for around 500-600 bucks

I still sort of doubt its really worth the cost though, and whats this about flickering. I feel like I would find it very obvious and hate it.

Question is also what I would then do with my current monitors.

Catleap 2B at 112hz 1440p, getting a new DVI cable in the hopes that I can get a few more hz.

>>30983144
Haha, what?
Are you an idiot?

>>30984216
Cheap LED panels often have PWM flickering apparently most people don't notice it at all. None of my monitors have it so I can't comment on how it looks or if I find it noticeable. I can tell you some users claim they can see it, most don't, and cameras can pick it up.

>>30984249
Also got the cheap version and no dead pixels, life is good

2560x1440 has about 77 percent more screen space, you can watch a 720p video and it will only take up 1/4 the screen for example. Maybe you don't care about screen space, but if you do higher resolutions that 1080p do matter. Honestly I would probably like the res a bit higher. In games it won't make a ton of difference but it will help with clarity, not as much as the jump from 720 to 1080 but it is still noticeable. Especially if you are comparing a 27" inch 1080p to a 27" 1440 monitor.

>>30984266

I may get a 23" to try out and see if it seems like its worth replacing the samsung as well. 220 or so bucks isn't too bad.

>>30983195

>Dell Ultrasharps have decent ones but they are pure shit for gaming

I held that belief for the longest time, I finally cave in and got a U2713HM. I did not notice a damn difference in latency, ghosting, or overdrive overshoot.

The only thing that is worse then TN is the IPS glow on fully black screens. Other then that, it is GLORIOUS.

Because it was the cheapest monitor at 1080p in walmart when I wanted one right then and there and had money to blow.

>>30984318
>>30984249
I am really upset with myself for not purchasing one when I had the chance. I was overthinking it, worried too much about dead pixels, and about the affect gloss would have. Turns out I like gloss more after comparing them. Boy do I fell silly.

>>30984393
http://www.120hz.biz/monitors/
I think they still have the cheaper version, they just jacked up the price because there won't be a shipment for a while. This is not the pixel perfect model.

>>30984393
You can still buy one, but they are jewing out the prices and the 2b is at 600+ with resellers.

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>>30984435
>$719.99

>>30984447
stay poor

>>30984447
>>30984472
the monitors are somewhat higher quality than before, they use A- panels instead of B- panels

>>30984472
But the act of purchasing the monitor makes you poor. I value $719.99 more than a 1440p monitor in a bad enclosure, even if it does have ~120Hz.

>>30982943 (OP)
No money, man. My rig is an FX-6100 on a 990FX board with an HD 6790 and 8 GB cheap-ass RAM, along with a $35 case and a 500 GB WD Caviar Blue. My keyboard and mouse are old as hell, and my monitor is a 1600x900 60Hz TN panel. I bought all this almost a year and a half ago for ~$900.

because 120hz are TN panels which are pretty much bull shit at this point in time.

>>30984542
>he thinks the only option for 120hz is TN!

>>30984435
You can get cheaper ones at overlord tempest. I am not sure how they compare other than being able to overclock, but they are the same panels so they should perform similarly.

>>30982943 (OP)
>putting up with TN bullshit
>implying those corean monitors that "run at 120Hz" can even properly display 120 frames per second

There are no good 120Hz monitors.

>>30984570
it's not the panel that makes it overclockable, it's the PCB

>>30984514
Haven't other brands like Achieva always been A-?

>>30984593
I know overlord sells overclockable versions I am not sure if they are using the same PCB or if they made them themselves.

>>30984561

Those overclocked 120hz are fairly useless. You're refreshing faster, but the pixel itself can't keep up so you end up skipping frames.

>>30984561
You either have to "overclock" a shitty catleap or use a CRT, which isn't worth it unless it's an FW900 or an F520.

>>30984530
>$900 for that

for $850 I bought an i7 2600 and GTX590 rig

>>30984561
>he thinks that there are currently any GOOD options for an IPS 120 Hz panel at this given point in time!

>>30982943 (OP)
Living it up with the FW900

>>30984602
They are using a different mix of PCB and panel. The 2B designation originally referred to the type of panel used.
>>30984593

>>30984639
I've seen that shit side by side with my own eyes. I am getting more frames.

>>30984675
Same here. Brofist.

120hz is a fucking scam anyways. I saw a youtube video of that guy from Newegg comparing a 60hz monitor to a 120hz, I watched while he played a game on each one, I couldn't tell the fucking difference.

>>30984676
getting more doesn't mean 120. you could be getting 80 frames a second and it would look better than 60.

>>30982943 (OP)
Because I don't play vidya .

>>30984676
The screen is refreshing at 120hz the pixels themselves though don't have time to completely refresh each time. Set it somewhere between 80-90 and you will get a smoother image with no frame skipping.

>>30984676

Nowhere near twice as much, as truly going from 60hz to 120hz will provide. Otherwise manufacturers would've done the same thing and sold them as such.

>>30984702
You are right. I'm glad you're here to help us.

>>30982943 (OP)
because I have a nice Trinitron for smoothness and even a CRT projector if I want to go overkill.
60hz is fine for my desktop, I don't game and my u2312hm is quick enough.

>>30984734
Why don't they market the current ones as 80hz instead of 60hz then?

I honestly just want a flat screen monitor with no visible bezel, IPS pannel, 120 HZ. Why hasn't this been done yet?

>>30984700
Mah nigga. Plebs can keep their LCDs.

>>30984765
because oled

>>30984763
Because neither 24 or 30 can go into it so it wouldn't be good for tv or games.

>MFW everyone on every tech site desperately wants a 120Hz IPS Panel and no manufacturer makes one

Even a 120Hz laptop with IPS would be god tier. They would make so much money but yet they are too retarded to launch these products.

>>30984655
With a monitor? Over a year ago?

>>30984702
You have a 60hz monitor... idk why newegg even made that video, what the fuck

>>30984763

>Why don't they market the current ones as 80hz instead of 60hz then?

Because they already set the next step up standard as 120hz. That or they are even more issues associated with overclocking that haven't been documented yet. How does it effect ghosting? When pushed to the limit, can every pixel keep up or will you end up with image retention and other after effects? So on and so forth.

>>30984832
Yeah, but why did they set such a high standard that they cant even reach feasibly yet?

>>30984855
They can with TN panels. For ips 80 or 90 would be better as it wouldn't take so long, but they want to keep the standards the same.

>>30984855
Why would they want to reach it?

This is about money. Who, other than some people who play games, want those monitors?

>>30984876
Honestly, they should aim for 96hz or 96/1.001hz on IPS panels. It'll work with NTSC content, at least. Is response time still an issue with IPS panels?

>>30984886
>set a standard that you dont expect/want to reach
What in the actual fuck?

>>30984913
>Is response time still an issue with IPS panels?

Not on the Cheap Korean Shit branded ones.

>>30984934

The standard is set for 3D effects, which requires 120hz.

>>30984913
>>30984944
Not really at 60hz they can do that just fine. You can push more than 90 sometimes less though. The pixels can't refresh faster than that. So if you want 120hz or even 100hz you can't actually do it on these monitors.

>>30984944
>mfw being cheap corean shit causes the monitors to have godly response times
Removing features is a good thing, who would have thought of it.

>>30984944
Well when the features are unnecessary.

>>30984984
give me the source that says they can't get above 90hz.

>>30984992

It also cripples its functionality. It can only operate at native resolution.

>>30984984
At 60hz they can do what just fine?

[X] IPS
[X] 120hz
[X] 16:10
[X] Under $600
I'd buy one if I could find one

>>30985025

You can do a simple calculation based on what is known about the pixel response time.

Divide that into 60 and you get the limit.

>>30985027
>buying a top end monitor to use it at an inferior resolution

>>30984992
Do you really need OSD and all of that fluff?

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>>30985027
>It can only operate at native resolution.
What is your point?

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>>30985025
Do you know how to do math? If you do take 1000 and divide it by the screens response time. The average response time of these monitors is 11.4ms. Thats actually a bit under 90, 87. If it is doing black to white your actually only getting 73. And if you are doing GTG you can get 107. I was being generous when I said 90. The PB2700 could do 90hz all the time, but I have heard those monitors are way glossy, far more than the catleaps.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.playwares.com%2Fxe%2Findex.php%3Fmid%3Dmaingame%26page%3D2%26category%3D19628503%26document_srl%3D21449157

Because 120hz is pointless unless you play competitive FPS and because 120hz have terrible colors.

I'll take my 60hz IPS any day

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>>30982943 (OP)
Great thread OP. I am loving life with my new 120hz monitor.

>>30985060

I fucked that one up. We're working with second, not minute.

The panel used in U2713HM have a Black to White pixel response time of 11.4ms.

In a second, the pixel can only be changed 87.7 times.

The response time is taken from

>http://www.prad.de

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>>30983381
i'm using it right now, it's definitely 120hz

you just have to fiddle with the settings

>>30985255
What is it

>>30985286
Asus VG287H I bought as an open box refurb off Newegg for $299.

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>not using a 600hz panasonic plasma monitor
>sub-millisecond response time
>no input lag
>1400nits
>black is black
>30 bit deep color
>wide viewing angles
>5,000,000:1 contrast
>multiple gamut presets
>highest motion resolution
>picture in picture / 2d->3d / split screen functionality

enjoy upgrading your corean shit every year

>>30985319
>Asus VG287H
Duh VG278H

>>30985343

>plasma monitor

There are plasma monitors? Not a damn TV doubling as a monitor?

>>30985343
can you imagine when this shit will be <50$?

imagine the screens we will have when screens like that are used as fire pits

>>30985196
Hell yeah.
Aperture grille or shadow mask?

120hz LCD is not all that great at overcoming inherent motion problems

They measure the spec based on the time it takes to change from white to black. (or whatever it happens to do the fastest)

Going from blue to green or grey to a slightly different grey etc can take 10 times longer than the white to black on the same tv.

This is why the 3d tv's are having issues with ghosting, or cross talk where remnants of one frame remain for the other eye to see.

Its also why a 60hz plasma still seems better with motion than a 200hz LCD, because the LCD is only doing 200hz from white to black transitions, but certain colours might well be back down at 40hz.

>>30985343
>1400nits
Jesus. Can they be turned down to about 1/10 that without any loss of image quality?

>>30985489
DISREGARD THIS, I SUCK COCKS.

But my CRT can do 188Hz

BTW I agree that anything less than about 85Hz is complete shit (read 60Hz is unacceptable for gaming). However, input lag needs to be taken into accound to determine whether or not you truly have a monitor good for gaming. I would consider any input lag over 10ms unacceptable. This eliminates about 99% of all LCDs, 120Hz or not

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>>30985386
Plasma monitors came long before televisions