At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.

Then, after spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration, I drive back to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and the fire marshall's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log onto the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post on freerepublic and fox news forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

There are many things wrong with your post OP. Of course, this is clearly a troll so I won't even bother to spell it out. Sage and hide. Enjoy your cancer.

inb4 200+ replies

This is a troll thread.
Anyone posting after my post is clinically retarded.
This has been going on for weeks.

>>5416185
>>5416189
Libertarian tears in...

Oh fuck, they're already crying.

THIS IS WHY YOU LOST, RON PAUL.

EVERY SINGLE NIGHT... Why can't you come up with something new instead of just copy pasting that same shit over and over?

< the typical Libertarian.

reminds me of when i used to explain this to my idiot friend in school who wanted anarchy...

i live in yurop though, but still the same principles.

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock which was designed by panasonic.

I then took a shower and washed my self with head&shoulders.

After that I turned on my sony TV to one of the stations payed for by advertisements. I watched this while eating my breakfast of Kelogg's corn flakes and taking drugs which were developed at phifzer.

At the appropriate time, which was made known to me by my rolex watch, I get into my honda civic and stop to get gas at my local shell station so I can go to work and earnt he money my kids will need to go to Harvard.

Then, after spending another day at my work station on my Gateway computer running Microsoft windows, I came back to my house to enjoy all of my valuables which were designed, manufactured and sold to me through a major retailer like Best Buy or Newegg.

I then use my Dell to connect to a privately owned website to whine about how the freemarket is bad in medicine because it can't do anything right.

>>5416285
TOLD.

>>5416358
Niggers got told.

>>5416358

Solid counter-pasta, keep perfecting it!

Also sage for not technology.

>>5416285
>>5416358
All those companies happen to be regulated by the agencies posted in the OP. You know that right?

OP still not refuted.

>>5416423
>>5416398
>>5416395
>>5416377
>>5416358
>>5416285
same person

>>5416414
And without those private companies, the government would have nothing to regulate.

>>5416285
>>5416358
Aw, it's okay. Ron Paul might win in 2012.

Try to cheer up a little, k? :)

>>5416429
Nope.

>>5416377
Being a liberal does not mean being anti-brand, just anti-retarded republican military ( other spending that is not for the people ) spend.

>>5416414
Regulations mean nothing if there's nothing to regulate.

>>5416475
Doesn't take away from the fact that you should be thanking the government for keeping corporations from abusing you.

>>5416461
But, if you accept that the free market can make things like computers or food better, why would you expect it to fail at Medicine?

Also, if anyone in this thread seriously thinks that this current bill is going to do anything other than pour money into big pharma's pockets, you are deluding yourselves.

>>5416500
>why would you expect it to fail at Medicine?
>Turning a discussion on a bill that would provide a public option for health insurance into a discussion on universal health care.

I see the usual tactics are in play here.

>>5416490
Frankly I'd rather be abused by the people producing goods for me to consume rather than the people who take money out of my paycheck so they can kill people on the other side of the world.

>>5416510
So do you think there should be a public option for food?

>>5416518
I guess you don't know what food stamps are.

>>5416525
inb4 libertarian tard looks up food stamps and comes up with old, biased, and idiotic evidence to prove they don't work.

>>5416540
Sorry, I was getting a drink.

Don't have time to go through all that right now, so I guess you won! Government is great and such!

I'm gonna go register Democrat right away!

>>5416398
>>5416395
>>5416377

Socialism = Bad

>>5416573
>Admitting defeat sarcastically.

You are so edgy and cool.

Private Property therefore is a Creature of Society, and is subject to the Calls of that Society, whenever its Necessities shall require it, even to its last Farthing; its Contributions therefore to the public Exigencies are not to be considered as conferring a Benefit on the Publick, entitling the Contributors to the Distinctions of Honour and Power, but as the Return of an Obligation previously received, or the Payment of a just Debt.

Benjamin Franklin

>>5416602
No, I mean it! I just signed my check over to the US government; I know how much the economy needs it!

ITT: Neo-Conservatives believing Reaganomics works

Wait, do people seriously think that this is a valid argument? I thought you guys were just trolling.

Fresh tale, brah.

>>5416500
free market can make things like computers better but with respect to food the only thing it can make it is, tastier, not worrying about its side effects or nutritional facts, that is they will put anything in there just to "please" the customer, customer which will die at 50 from "X" disease caused by the food.

I must confess that I've never trusted the Web. I've always seen it as a coward's tool. Where does it live? How do you hold it personally responsible? Can you put a distributed network of fiber-optic cable "on notice"? And is it male or female? In other words, can I challenge it to a fight?

wow I haven't seen this copypasta in at least 24 hours

>>5416703
As you can see, free-markets can do wonders with luxury items non-necessary ones to some extent, imagine if there was no regulation for car safety, car manufacturers will only worry about making its car more "pretty" regardless or its efficiency or safety.

>>5416703
>Implying Taiwan, China, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore don't have regulations and don't have social assistance plans

You're funny Anonymous.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/G#.2Fn.2F_reborn

I thought this board wasn't retarded

>>5416679
In reality, I don't actually give a shit; I just like inciting shit-storms.
I like computers, animu, and jerking off to animu on my computers. As long as I can do that and I don't live in city17 I couldn't care less.

Did it mention half-life? Because I dig half-life.

>>5416746
Anyway, same with food, imagine there was no regulation for food, companies will do everything they could t please the customer not caring about the food quality at all, with respect to its nutritional or sanitary values and not to its flavor.

They will just put more cooking oil to their foods add more salt or use more cow byproducts to make their product more "appealing to the public".

To some extent its regulation itself that gives us quality products, companies with the fear of getting ass raped by the government for making unsafe cars, contaminating ( but tasty ) food, etc, strive to find a balance for something that is both appealing to the people but also good for them, if not they will just sell people snake oil like they did on the past.

>>5416755
>I thought this board wasn't retarded
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>5416782
This is why customers should vote with their dollars.
If they don't want cow by-products in their food they shouldn't buy it and the companies would be forced to do away with using cow by-products. This is how a perfect society would run.

As it stands now, if the customers quit buying food with cow by-products in it and the company starts to fail, they just get a huge stimulus check to keep pumping their food with cow shit.

>>5416782
>Implying they don't do that already.

John Maynard Keynes here, Adam Smith is a faggot.

>>5416847
Oh yes they do, not as much as in the past tough, there should be more regulation in pro of the people.

>>5416833
No that doesn't happen ( you miss entirely my post ) what people want is not always whats good for them, companies didn't stop adding any type of food to their products just because of "demand", such products actually taste good, it was beacuse of researchs, sometimes private but most of the time enforced and made by the government, that bough those regulations.

Following the logic from your post, we will still be eating unknown food, ( without the nutrition facts, label that most companies dont like ), driving unsafe cars ( see how companies know battle each other not to produce the prettiest car but the most safe and efficient ).

>>5416907
implying keynesian economics is incompatible with adam smith

In the progress of the division of labour, the employment of the far greater part of those who live by labour, that is, of the great body of the people, comes to be confined to a few very simple operations, frequently to one or two. But the understandings of the greater part of men are necessarily formed by their ordinary employments. The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple operations, of which the effects are perhaps always the same, or very nearly the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding or to exercise his invention in finding out expedients for removing difficulties which never occur. He naturally loses, therefore, the habit of such exertion, and generally becomes as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become.

>>5416938
No, just calling him a faggot.

The torpor of his mind renders him not only incapable of relishing or bearing a part in any rational conversation, but of conceiving any generous, noble, or tender sentiment, and consequently of forming any just judgment concerning many even of the ordinary duties of private life. Of the great and extensive interests of his country he is altogether incapable of judging, and unless very particular pains have been taken to render him otherwise, he is equally incapable of defending his country in war. The uniformity of his stationary life naturally corrupts the courage of his mind, and makes him regard with abhorrence the irregular, uncertain, and adventurous life of a soldier. It corrupts even the activity of his body, and renders him incapable of exerting his strength with vigour and perseverance in any other employment than that to which he has been bred. His dexterity at his own particular trade seems, in this manner, to be acquired at the expense of his intellectual, social, and martial virtues. But in every improved and civilised society this is the state into which the labouring poor, that is, the great body of the people, must necessarily fall, unless government takes some pains to prevent it.

Adam Smith

>>5416976
Adam Smith was a cool guy, eh showed mercantilism sucked and didn't afraid of anything.

Don't be dissing Smith just because the republifags and libertarianfags name-drop him to push their bullshit on us.

>>5417006

>>5416782

>companies will do everything they could t please the customer
>not caring about the food quality at all

Does not compute.

And also, if the customers want bad food, what's wrong with a company providing it?

I can't understand if the trolling is suppowed to troll for or against libertarians. Throughout the post it points out all the things libertarian oppose, and then it ends with some kind of punchline were the libertarian complains about yet another government controlled thing.

>>5417033
Companies will do anything to please a custumer, tough an ignorant customer is easily pleased, a company can just put anything in food and cook it with lots of oil or anything to give it flavor, and the customer will not notice, ( milk in china? companies adding chemicals to make their milk look healthy ) the government then becomes the safe guardian of the people,

>>5417110

In theory they oppose it; in practice they're happy to use it. That's the idea.

Funny how "taxation if theft!", but making use of stolen goods is just rational self-interest, or whatever.

>>5416174
I do believe that OP is on to something here.
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>>5416174
>>5416174


heroin has identical action and affects as morphine, codeine, oxycodone, oxymorphone, and fentanyl


yet heroin is NOT FDA approved.


this is due to identically 2 reasons.


1) the pharmaceutical lobby/PACs constitute the largest group of political lobbyists in the country (combined with other countries, the world)

larger than the oil industry

larger than the AARP

larger than the auto industry

larger than agriculture

larger than defense


2) heroin is produced at rock bottom costs by 3rd world countries like columbia and afganistan.
to put it another way:

in THE EXACT SAME MANNER as sugar, which has always been cheaper to grow, refine, and ship FROM brazil than to grow refine and distrube from WITHIN the US....


we have tariffs on sugar making high fructose corn syrup less expensive.


this is why we use high fructose corn syrup. because american agriculture lobbyists have made congress/senate pass laws that make sugar prohibitively expensive.


IN AN IDENTICAL FASHION


we have laws that make legitimate drugs like heroin ILLEGAL.


we also make our morphine synthetically, raather thana extracting it from papaver somniferum poppy pods like they do in europe an asia


IT IS POLITICS.

>>5417173

The reason we use it is that 1. it is funded in part by OUR money. And two, there's rarely an alternative to pick instead.

STFU ALL YOU FAGGOTS, DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS BOTH FUCK YOU OVER AND BEND OVER TO THE ZIONIST JEWS

>>5417211
THIS IS WHAT LIBERTARIANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

Read up on Ron Paul and the FDA, dude wants to eliminate the FDA's capacity to take dangerous or fraudulent drugs off the market.

>>5417211
You should contact your local republican congressman and try to explain that.

Also WTF no wonder all those things are illegal, pharmaceutics dont want... competition.

>>5417232

It's not YOUR money. It's society's money.

>>5417242
ALSO WHAT LIBERTARIANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>5417166

What is to say the people themselves could get together and chose to boycott the companies making bad food? The ones who are not stupid could try to convince the "stupid".

>>5417269
People still smoke cigarettes despite the warnings.

Point refuted.

>>5417269
So you expect people to group up and boycott things like Zicam or Vioxx when we find out that they either don't work or kill people?

>>5417261

No. It's my wage, my money. Society has no right to my money.

>>5417289
Read OP's post again.

Society has every right to your money, because without it, you wouldn't have money.

>>5417282

Point not refutet. It's their choice. People should not be protected from themselves, instead it's their responsibility to take care of themselve, no one else's.

>>5417288

I expect people not to buy products they consider bad.

have fun being controlled by jews both you republicans and democrats

>>5417269
No, in the past people got sick and died, tough no one rose to the big companies, either because of ignorance or because of fear.

Now people have a powerful weapon its called the FDA, and the ability to sue.

The latter is what keeps companies from cheeking twice their food, products etc, fear from the people "customers", and in some part the government.

>>5417304

I wouldn't?

>>5417289

Your wage isn't possible without the laws and benefits of society to begin with.

>>5417289
But you are the society or part from it, you money in combination with everyones in the end will be used in you benefit.

>>5417250
pretty much all of the US bans on drugs are political in nature, with justifications for their harmful / addictive properties coming after the fact and being highly exaggerated.

Nicotine, Alcohol, and refined sugar aren't any worse than the drugs which have been deemed illegal.

>>5417289
you pay taxes?
society already gets your money then

>>5417306
Yeah, it's not like companies will put melamine in baby food to save a few bucks.

>>5417324

Actually it is. My wage is on dependant on the trade between me and another person.

>>5417342
>Nicotine, Alcohol, and refined sugar aren't any worse than the drugs which have been deemed illegal.

HA HA HA HA HA HA

>>5416358
>>5416285
If this post targeted towards a communist, this post would be valid. But Liberal or even socialism? You gotta know, American Liberalism is just right wing lite. You could say they are in bed with these corporations.

>>5417356
ie: society.

>>5417342
>Nicotine, Alcohol, and refined sugar aren't any worse than the drugs which have been deemed illegal.

jesus fuck, i cannot believe a human being living in 2009 with access to nearly unlimited scientific and medical information wrote this

Drugs like heroin just like morphine could be made legal but tightly regulated by the government itself, problem is pharmaceutics dont want competition.

>>5417318
No, because you would be fucking dead.

>>5417250
It's funny, because you think this is an argument in favour of libertarianism, but it's not. Because if the FDA were not so controlled by large industry, then the FDA would have no reason or justification to ban heroin and not morphine; however, if the only thing presiding over what drugs you can buy and cannot was a loose association of companies with the same goal in mind, they would have no justification to flood the market with heroin as long as they can unilaterally continue to convince the public that there are legitimate reasons not to while at the same time taking the extra money for themselves; at least with the scam set up the way it is, at least SOME of that money is going back to a good cause... eventually.

>>5417348

Yes? Your point being?

If I wasn't robbed by the government I wouldn't be here complaining about it.

>>5417351
Not in this country, at least.

>>5417367
Yeah, it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that opiates are highly addictive and dangerous drugs.

>>5417372
>Because if the FDA were not so controlled by large industry
:tinfoilhat:

>>5417375
you should kill yourself, that would be better for society in my humble opinion

>>5417380
still doesn't stop Rush from being worshiped by neocons daily

>>5417375
You owe the fact that you can live a somewhat secure and safe life to the social constructs called government.