Shit still amazes me too. None of my IRL friends understand my fascination :(...

What is it?

>>4478831
other programs add bloat, to make them look important,
like the 1.9GB program to make pdfs

Huh. Never heard of this. I'm too lazy to study it. Is it a video editing software or what?

>>4478867
It's blender - completely free, has its own game engine inbuilt, edits and sequnces videos and audio non-linearly, with heaps of effects, and is also a commercial grade mesh editor with brilliant tools for UVmapping, warping, etc.

>>4478879
A mesh editor, like 3dsmax....
except it's also a video editor, used by hollywood....
and it has a physics engine, and a game engine....
but it's only like 30 megs, and it's still so powerful....

Enjoy your shitty interface.

>>4478885

Cool beans. Is it a good Windows alternative to say, Final Cut Pro? Not even trying to start Mac shit in here, I have just always had to use Final Cut for my film editing and would be interested in an open source alternative.

>>4478918
cool
now have some awesome....

>>4478925
that's the thing - none of the interface is locked, you can adjust it to however you want it to be.

>>4478929
well, let's put it this way - you know pixar and dreamworks, right?
They use it. With linux server farms for rendering.

>>4478955
COOL NOW HAVE SOME AWESOME

Im not going to use any piece of software that advertises itself with a fat gay rabbit

>>4478955
>Pixar
>not Renderman
cool story bro

>>4478998
You're a fucking moron if you think that Renderman is a mesh editor.

>>4478955

No they don't. Pixar wrote their own software ages ago for their render farms. Stop bullshitting people.

For proof, download the behind the scenes doco made by Pixar that shows everything they have done since the original staff were at highschool.

>>4478998
http://www.linuxmovies.org/
In the film industry, Linux has won. It's running on practically all servers and desktops used for feature animation and visual effects. LinuxMovies.org met monthly in Hollywood for years, but now rarely meets.

Linux is used to create practically every blockbuster movie in theaters today, movies produced by Disney/Pixar, DreamWorks Animation, Sony, ILM, and other studios.

>>4479004
You're a fucking moron if you think that Pixar use Blender for mesh editing.

Seriously.

>>4479026
They use Marionette

>>4479023
they use mac osx as front end

>>4478918
Welcome to the world of Good-FOSS

>>4479046

They use peanut butter

>>4479023
The quality of that site makes me disbelieve the validity of your statements.

>>4479056
I was just amazed because GIMP sucks so fucking badly, as does krita, and yet blender is epic as hell.
I'm amazed that something other than KDE and vim etc is so brilliant under a FOSS licence (of course, there's stuff like Nexuiz but yeah...)

>>4479063
yes, the site is rather hideous.
However, the fact that all major studios use linux farms is undeniable, they all admit it.

Yo, can I do simple video editing with this?

>>4479077

Sounds more like the user in particular sucks at using software.

>>4479091
define simple?
Not really, it's more for the enthusiast, but you can do simple stuff if you try...

>>4479091
Simple? SIMPLE? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA STICK TO YOUR WINDOWS MOVIE MAKER KID, THATS MORE THAN ENOUGH FOR YOUR ANIME MUSIC VIDEOS FOR YOUTUBE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS NIGGAS HILARIOUS!

http://www.linuxmovies.org/studios.html
>Pixar
>DreamWorks
>Disney

>LotR
>Titanic
>Attack of the Clones

The more I know...

>>4479097
I meant that I'm used to using the adobe suite under windows, and there are no linux image editing tools that come close.
The best text editors are linux-based, and I personally find KDE4 to be the best user shell of any OS, but I'd heard so much about how linux sucked for video editing, and a tool of this calibre surprised me.

>>4479118
So basically, this is a shitty software.

Since when did Blender edit movies? It's a mesh (3d) editor.

You can create 3d animations and "edit" those, but movies?!?

>>4479158
Oh, you can do simple things.
It's just a very complex piece of software.
For example, I doubt you could do simple shit with ease in final cut, you'd be better off getting iMovie instead.
It's an advanced tool, for advanced users.

>>4479163
It's been able to for ages, there are video editing panels, choose SC4 from the top near the menu, and the layout swaps to a generic nonlinear video editing layout.
Of course, you can then customize that to your liking.

>>4479163
http://createdigitalmotion.com/2009/02/22/blender-video-editing-yep-your-free-3d-powerhouse-is-an-ed
itor-too/

Life is short. You find yourself having to absorb the work techniques of a lot of different software. And some of those divisions — between vector and pixels, 3D and 2D, motion and stills — look increasingly old-fashioned. Since the early 90s, we’ve seen a succession of software try to bridge those gaps. But for the first time, there’s an open-source entrant that promises to bring just about everything involving 3D and motion, minus audio, into a single tool. That means the ability to run on any OS, and a greater sense of a community that can hack the app itself.

The surprise: the app is a 3D tool, Blender.

ITT: Viral marketing.

>>4479238
Seriously, some of these posts read like the most embarrassing astroturfing shit you'd get out of sony. What the fuck is wrong with you?

So how much is the Blender company paying you for this thread faggot?

>>4479371
It's a non-profit foundation.
And I'm gay so I take offence to being called a faggot, it's not very nice.

>>4479371
I think this viral marketing is free as in beer.

>>4479371

YEAH BECAUSE MICROSOFT NEVER VIRAL MARKETS

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

yeah but ... but

does it blend?

>>4479392
So they strive to be microsoft?
Is that why they follow their standards?

PROTIP: nobody cares about your shitty free editor, if we ever want to do this shit we'll grab a real program off a torrent other idiots need to pay for.

>>4479238
>>4479389
>>4479392

Hivemind detected.

Also, I posted this picture because you think it's viral marketing.

>>4479401
If you create a 3d blender, attach a force to one of the blades, and put a destructible object in it, and turn on the physics engine?
yes.

>>4479421
That's why I was confused: it's BETTER than most of the expensive stuff, and takes up less harddrive space.

What the fuck?
How is this program so good?
It's like 2 gigs to download, and takes up almost no hard drive space, but it's an advanced 3d editor, which can also edit videos with more options and power than most commercial applications.

>>4479473
trollface.jpg

>>4479527
Sir, I wasn't trolling...I was just changing his post and posting a picture of my photocawk

>>4479077
Whats wrong with GIMP?

>>4479571

>>4479595
Sometimes my photoshop text skills amaze me.

>>4479571

I agree, sure it isn't as intuitive as photoshop. But for basic needs it is fine. So long as you go into it not expecting photoshop you should be fine.

>>4479571
Well, layer effects for one....

>>4479571
The only problem I can find with GIMP is that the mini windows are not attached to the main window. The end result is the windows associated with GIMP can still be there even if you close the main GIMP window.

GIMPshop does fixes the problem but it has not been updated for a long time.

>>4479608
Nothing aside from the nipple is intuitive. You're just familiar with the photoshop UI.

>>4479571
>Whats wrong with GIMP?

Nothing.

Unless you feel like you need to pirate $1000 worth of software in order to put text on pictures. Suddenly everyone is a fucking professional graphics artist on /g/. If you really were you would actually buy it.

>>4479608
what I really want is for GIMP to combine with Krita, meaning layer effects, more colourspaces, and more effects.
I think that would be almost as good as photoshop

>>4479652
>Whats wrong with GIMP?
>Nothing.

0/10. Not even a little bit.

>>4479652
It's far too basic, IMO.
Photoshop makes everything easy, GIMP is for web graphics only, and opposes the user.

Blender sucks.

>>4479571
you did that on fireworks.

No i didn't.

>>4479887
>GIMP > Photoshop

>>4480031
now someone has to, it's just some rotated arabic text with a circular gradient layer over it, and some demonic text... not very difficult FFS....

>>4480031

>>4478918
>used by hollywood
nope. very few people in the field are even aware of blender, and none use it for real projects.
every once and awile i'll hear that some studio made the first digital draft of something in blender before making the real thing in 3dsm or maya. and the video editor is only touched by hobbyists

anybody else just not like the 'feel' of GIMP after years in photoshop? i love opensource, but commercial programs like PS and AI are just more polished than GIMP and inkscape

if you think about it, a 30mb program is very big, its just we're used to programs taking up 2.5gb because adobe fills all their code and resources with shit.

>>4480085
>Angels and semen

you have no idea man.

Also, FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD

>>4480104
lol, 5 mins in gimp and I suck with it.

>>4480109
emacs would like to have a few words with you....

>>4480104
Me. It's obviuous that it was created by a team of engineers who thought it was a good idea to put all the tool settings in modal dialog windows. That combined withthe fact that vector copy/paste and no dynamic effects (layerstyles, smart filters, curves) kills any hople for GIMP among users who need more than a repositional type tool.

>>4480140
thats pretty good for 5 m-no it sucks.
I like Gimp, i think its a great tool for image editing, but its more comparable to PS elements, thent the real photoshop.

>>4480125
wat

>>4480164
>its more comparable to PS elements

Which is unacceptable, because I am a professional graphical artist earning six figures whose job is to put text on pictures, just like everyone else in /g/.

>blender
>used by hollywood
>you know pixar and dreamworks, right? They use it.

Hahahahahaha. Oh you noobs crack me up...

>>4480193
I'm not saying its unacceptable, I'm just saying photoshop is a more powerful tool

>>4480140
whoops, I forgot the white gradient and the red line.
forgive the lack of fancy font, and shit alignment, this is just to prove gimp can do everything needed to make taht pic.

Cool software bro, I'll check it out.

>>4480220
lol

>>4480220
My god, uninstall the gimp right now and never try that again.
I'm puking out of my eyes right now.

>>4480140
GIMP 2.4 > Photoshop 11

Interesting, may try it some day. Until, I think I'll stick with FCE.

>>4480244
I said I was shit at it, and no!
I'd like to see you do better in 10 minutes or so, faggot.

>>4480258

It is the exact same thing as the other picture.

The thread is all FUD trolls.

>>4480258
see
>>4480085

>>4480249
that's only because your too lazy to pirate ps and run it under wine amirite

For people who can spend a few hours learning the interface correctly, it's the fastest, cheapest, free'est, and most extensible 3d editor in existence.

How well does blender run on a netbook?

protip: pixar is owned by apple, or at least to a large degree, i don't remember exactly

>>4480274
ORRRRR
you could lrn2torrent and get your lazy ass a photoshop crack

>>4480273
hahaha, I actually have a copy of PS3, it runs under wine, I just don't use it lol.

30megs is quite big

offcourse you never wrote shit so you think every program is FUKCHEUG

>>4480290
pics or it didn't happen...

>>4480287
um... photoshop can't do 3d editing, or video editing, doesn't have a physics engine, and doesn't have a game engine.
GIMP is what the lame version of photoshop is.
blender is on the level of maya

Not a huge fan of it.

>>4480298

Blender is a program that really breaks out of the negative stereotypes of FOSS software. It's incredibly professionally done I think.

>>4480318
>>4480249
lol not even the same distro

How good are netbooks at running blender?

Is it usable at that screen resolution?

>>4480283
I just installed it on my NC10, and I don't know about large scenes, but it was very responsive and fitted well with the default scene (one box and a camera, lol)

>>4479571
...everything?

Shit's horrible. It doesn't need to be forked (lol gimpshop), it needs to be replaced.

>>4480342
forgot to mention: my openbox+KDE at 1024x600 has a system font of 6pt, which is easy for me to see, and blender fits surprisingly well in it, but if you have a lesser screen, it may not work as well....

>>4480249
You don't seem like you're exactly qualified to judge a piece of professional software that you don't use on a professional level, just like I wouldn't rate Blender against 3dsMax or Maya because I'm not a 3d modeler.

>>4480273
I have Photoshop 10 in XP.
I just prefer Fireworks or GIMP.

is unfair to compare a free program to a $699 one.
also is unfair that in some universities photoshop is a "must be" and are afraid of anything different.

I prefer to use trueSpace. Blender is kind of a whitespace hog in the interface.

YOU
FUCKING
FOURTEEN
YEAR
OLD
FAGGOTS

>>4480359
lol spic

>>4480366
I'm nineteen, but whatever....

>>4480300
yes it can at some point in the extended version,
not what you will use to replace FCP or maya/blender

>>4479571
Professional graphic artists hate it because it doesn't follow their workflow at all. It'll never be taken as a serious graphic program until a new generation of designers come around that haven't used anything but Gimp.

As for putting text on photos, it does that just as well as anything but to be fair you can do that in MSPaint.

>>4480359
That's because when you work at a design firm you're expected to use the tools they do are you're going to be that one asshole that has to do things HIS way.

Universities are supposed to get you ready for the real world, and designers in the real world don't use GIMP.

>>4480381
yeah, but you can't do gradients, effects, etc in mspaint...
gimp's in between tthe two

Can I get some screenshots of blender running on netbooks please?

>>4480407
Sure, it's definitely great for it's niche, it's just not comparable to Photoshop. As someone said earlier, it's much more like Elements though that's more directed towards touching up photos.

>>4480424
yeah, a (good, powerful) image editor is the only thing FOSS doesn't have

>>4480396
If only GIMP could compete with photoshop,
at least adobe will lower photoshop insane $699 price.

I will have to pay for photoshop someday, even in college professors are just paranoid when they see anything different to a mac with photoshop, always cheking if your copy is legit.

I like gimp :3
Finished in roughly 9 minutes.

>>4480437

good games

>>4480451
it has good games, like nexuiz....
it just needs more, with better graphics

>>4480449
duplicated text in a different colour, then background paintbucket applied with antialiasing for the blur?

>>4480437
and a good office suite, with all that compiz composition and everything, at least Openoffice.org Impress should have some "better than PowerPoint" animations.

>>4480445
Looks like mexicans made it, maybe that's why.

>>4480471
colored text, rotated to the side, with a feather blurred shading effect, and a greenfilled background with a tinted circular gradient effect for emphasis.
looks better than the angels and semen bullshit.

>>4480449
9 minutes - I could do that in Photoshop in two, lol.
Make BG layer, type text, change sizes and colors (same layer), and 2 background glows.

>>4480449
2 minutes in Photoshop:
Gradient the background layer
type Text layer 1
type text layer 2
type text layer 3
Group text layers
layer style: drop shadow
layer style: color overlay
rotate 15 digress

>>4480474
I like open office, I can't think of anything MS office has that it doesn't, I mean calc can handle more cells than exel can....

>>4480488
I prefer >>4480485's method
Yours is shit.
also, it would take the same amount of time in both, dude...

>>4480485
Thus concludes my point.
The gimp can do everything photoshop can do, but it all depends on how you go about doing it.

>>4480498

It really just can't.

>>4480485
>>4480488
$699 for a 7min save sounds rational.

>>4480489
>>4480489

I hate OO. Maybe it is just the fact that I'm used to it, but I love Office 2007. Love it.

>>4480513
name something.

>>4480451
You play games still?

>>4480498
You could also recreate the mona lisa pixel by pixel in MSpaint. Hey, it's the same outcome right?

There are a lot of things that Photoshop does that GIMP can't.
Off the top of my head.
Layer Effects
Smart Filters (non-destructive filtering)
Smart Objects (non-destructive editing of elements in the photo, usually used with vectors but can be anything.

>>4480488
Photoshop has short-cutted everything for you.

Case in point:
Sponge tool in Pshop saturates the part of the image where you apply it to.
In Gimp you have to copy the layer, saturate it then mask paint it.

In GIMP you just have to do it manually. Which is fine for me.

>>4480537
And then every time you want a different level of saturation you have to create a new layer and mask it?
That's horrendously inefficient, and anyway doesn't gimp have a sponge tool?

>>4480565
I think it does, actually....
I've never used half of the tools in it, lol.
I just clonestamp, gradient, smudge.

>>4480497
>>4480488
>>4480485
>>4480528
for graphics use Fireworks or Illustrator instead, this just proves how everyone here is confused.
lol using Photoshop just to create fancy text.

Shouldn't you be able to make scripts to repeat things in the gimp?

>>4480586
script-fu? don't use GIMP tough just saw that option once.

>>4480574
>>4480565
Come to think of it, maybe it does.

I have no spare CPU to try it (running HUGIN batch) but I believe you can use a paintbrush in the saturation mode? Bah. I should explore GIMP more. All I do is clone @@

Anyhoos my point's the same. Pshop automates stuff for ya.

>>4480586
yeah, you can.
script-fu.
You can also download plugins for heaps of different things, meaning it is possibel to have a version of gimp that can actually do MORE than photoshop can

>>4480586
Irrelevant, as any half-ass editing software should have that.

YOU FUCKING FREEDOM HATERS.

>>4480583
I dislike Fireworks just because I'm not used to it, I'll admit to that.
Illustrator is best for text, and of course anything that's going to print. I use it side by side with Photoshop all the time. (This was the best part of CS3, all the applications work really well with each other, even better than they used to)

>>4480597
>>4480586
There are plugins and automations for Photoshop as well which extends it's functionality and scripts various effects.

That's another things, how is GIMPS batch editing?

>>4480602
inkscape>illustrator, actually.

>>4480614
I've heard that, but once again I use Photoshop primarily so Illustrator becomes a better option due to integration and workflow.

I doubt I'd be able to drag an inkscape vector directly into Photoshop as a smart object or path.

Gimp is open source.
don't like something? change it.
Can't do that in Photoshop.

for batch editing I use imagemagik

>>4480597
Are you retarded? There are thousands of Photoshop plugins.
Whoever works in graphics design and thinks the gimp is just as good as photoshop is lying and unemployed.

>>4480597
>>4480611
Speaking of Plugins, GMIC for GIMP is awesome! Removes most of my HDR generated noise real good!

>>4480621
you could import an svg into photoshop, surely?
it's the standard for vector graphics, for fuck's sake....

>>4480622
>don't like something? change it.
Because everyone is a developer and has the time to edit a program to suit their needs when there's another that can do it now, amirite?

>>4480635
same

>>4480630
Of course, but that's a few extra steps than dragging it over from window to window? Efficiency is important when you run on a deadline.

>>4480642
I guess, but it's not that hard lol.

>>4480635
this is /g/
if you're not a programmer you can fuck off, hipster.

>>4480583
>>4480602

My typical webgraphics / webdesign workflow:
1. layout/vector element design in Illustrator
2. color/fill design in Photoshop
3. Do fancy touchups using curves, levels, etc
4. export using slices
5. assemble using XHTML and CSS
6. Content generated in Cinema 4D and Photoshop.

>>4480648
No, but then as a smart object in Photoshop I can edit the vector in illustrator, save it and it's automatically updated in Photoshop with whatever effects I have placed on it, this ends up saving more time than you'd think.

>>4480652
I do PHP/SQL coding. I doubt you know more than a handful of languages yourself.

>>4480653
Likewise, and that's essentially my workflow as well.

>>4480652
>this is /g/
>if you're not a troll you can fuck off

Fix'd that for you, free of charge.

>>4480666
>PHP/SQL
HAHAHAHA
That's barely coding, learn2C

>>4480614
lolno too bad its difficult for opensource to compete on "graphic related programs" open source is good as servers, or as back end to professional 3d rendering.
Some open source programs are just "not mature". on the other hand GIMP has been to public for a long time.

>>4480716
yeah, fucking hell we need a new prog

>>4480706
>implying that C is still relevant

>>4480729
>implying that c isn't relevant
nothing else is fast enough, all the java and python apps I run are fucking slow as hell

>>4480706
You're right, what was I thinking using the standard to code website backends.

>>4480743
get a better computer.

>>4480725
the only chance will be that the developers of a commercial "as good as Photoshop" program start releasing the source code for the lulz.
Paint Shop Pro will be a good start

>>4480764
3.0ghz dual core cpu
2 gigs of ram
3 TB of HDD space
Mine's fine, thankyou.

>>4480729
>implying that C isn't relevant

>>4480765
HA!
GIMP>PSP

>>4480622
become an adobe developer?
spam the forums?
cant do that on GIMP, those russians just do random changes to gimp and then call it a new version.

>>4480774
Hey faggot my reaction image > yours so technically, I win.

>>4480787

>>4480810

>>4480827

Wiki says:

Blender started out as an inhouse tool for the commercial animation company NeoGeo.
The first large professional project in which the free version of Blender was used in Spider-Man 2, where it was primarily used to create animatics and pre-visualizations for the storyboard department.

>>4480861

iliustrator gives me the shits. i use photoshop for vectors. i shall look into this so called "inkscape"

>>4480880
It's pretty fucking awesome, IMO

>>4480880
inkscape is a nightmare compared to Illustrator

>>4480754
>>4480666
>PHP/SQL
>backend

I don't think you know what the term backend mean

sage for shitty software, horrible interface and using it with a god awful OS. lets get actual work done here guys.

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