>>2984072
Using windows 7

>>2984072
what

Vista will be forgotten in about 2-3 years.

What's the bet microshit stretches XP until seven comes out in 2011.

Vista's fine. Install the Prophecy x64 version.

>>2984088
I don't think so, Tim.

"Dock" taskbar and ribbon aids killed it for me.

>>2984094
>seven comes out in 2011

WAT

microsoft gave into pressure lol. Vista is dead until 7 comes out and continues the shitwagon

>>2984094
Guaranteed and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it was continued after the 7 release.

Business customers don't want Vista and my suspicion is they won't want 7 either, at least for a good long while.

>>2984097

people who don't install their own custom taskbar are faggots. Torrent Objectdock plus, disable windows taskbar.

>>2984100

Agreed... business customers are comfortable with the solutions provided by XP, it's a fine user interface, runs all their programs and all the staff members are used to it.

In order for windows 7 to take over business I think you'll need to see hardware that supports XP dying, which might be what they're banking on happening due to x64...

7 will be out in 09 and we'll just try to forget Vista, meanwhile everyone will still be using XP

>>2984112
It's a bit of a risky game at the moment. They stand to lose quite a slab of their marketshare to Apple the way things are going.

>>2984115

exactly this.

>>2984115

LOL 09? GTFO!

Every corporate PC is 20 minutes away from being a Ubuntu workstation.

>>2984132
iwanttobelieve.jpg

Will never happen. OS X works out cheaper than Linux in a corporate environment.

>>2984132

>>2984128

Well I think it will be at the end of 09.
Maybe you want to share your information with us?

The only better thing about XP is that it uses less memory.

>>2984136

No it doesn't, Ubuntu is probably the easiest corporate desktop to manage and the release cycle is custom made for corporate refresh.

>>2984144

The company is microsoft. /thread.

>>2984159
The Canonical programs are too expensive.

>>2984149

This may be true, but most of us already use 2-4 GB, and it will be even more in the upcoming years. I don't really get this "using too much memory" issue.

>>2984149

That and a lot of software doesn't work on vistaids.

os wars aside, i been out of the pc loop since the release of socket 939. Just built a quad core with 8 gb ram. would you guys stick with xp or just install vista?

>>2984192

>8 gb ram

I hope it's 64bit we're talking about.

>>2984192
now that you got 8gb of RAM, you dont have to worry about ram usage, so go with vista. 64bit obviously.

>>2984192

XP came out in 2001 and only supports 2 cores.

>>2984202

>only supports 2 cores

I don't think so Tim

>>2984202
Lies. XP Pro and Home both support dual or quad cores. XP Home doesn't support dual CPUs however.

>>2984202

check your facts kid.

>>2984188
I haven't come across a single program that wouldn't work because of Vista.

I'm willing to bet that XP will continue to be sold until a year after Seven is out.

Microsoft are still selling their software = Microsoft are still winning.

Stop kidding yourselves.

>>2984184

They're cheap for corporations, compare with windaids pricing. The beauty is you don't have to use the canonical tools if you don't want. I managed a Sun workstation LAN and just used NFS and SSH to manage over 100.

>>2984208

XP doesn't even boot on AHCI systems or more than 4GB, fuck off back to 2001. ubuntu is the future faggots, deal with it.

>>2984149
The only best thing about Vista is... is... is... is... is... is... is... is...

>>2984226
>ubuntu is the future faggots

a madman. he's a madman.

LOL @ UBANTOO SPINNAN CUBEZ = FUTURE

>>2984219
I don't necessarily hate Microsoft - whether I do or not is irrelevant here. The OP posted about Vista, and how Vista is falling to XP year after year. Half* the people who get Vista are disappointed after they start using it, and continue to be disappointed as time goes on. Microsoft wanted to end sales and support for XP as soon as possible, which is a legitimate thing for any company to want. After all, if you sell software and make a new version you don't want to sell the old one. However, so many people have pushed Microsoft to continue sales and support for XP that they essentially have to even with their monopoly. They spent six to seven years making a new thing, and no one likes it - that says a lot about it.

*Pulled straight out of my ass, I just put that there for emphasis. It may only be 1/20, or maybe it's even 4/5, but "half" was just there for the sentence and a clear indicator that there ARE people who are unhappy.

>>2984072

That, my good sirs, is Ubuntu winning. I'm an old-hand Unix guy who currently doesn't have much to do with the desktop, but over the past year I've had the helpdesk staff, windows admins and random general staff come to my office asking about Ubuntu.

It got to the point I just have a stack on my desk and just tell them to take one and read the doc on the disk. If my employer decided to Ubunto tomorrow, the whole helpdesk is capable of supporting it and many general staff have at least heard of it.

Ubuntu is the future, jump onboard or get left behind.

>>2984284
FUCK YEAH SPINNAN CUBES

>>2984284
Excellent troll.

> "Dock" taskbar and ribbon aids killed it for me.
Exactly. Windows 7 fails because it copies the GUI eye-candy from OS X while failing to copy the more-stable underlying structure of OS X itself.

So you get OS X GUI AIDS without the underlying goodness.

>>2984310

Laugh it up faggot, enjoy competing with the millions of pakis in the windaids world. Whites are taking back the industry that we invented.

>>2984316

Please see post #2984072

Link for your convenience:
>>2984072

>>2984324
What's your point exactly?

>>2984324

Sorry, I meant #2984284
>>2984284

XP will sooner or later be outdated. While it is still fine to use now, demands and soft- and hardware will still outgrow it. See it just like the switch between 98SE and XP SP1. While 98 was still fine, at a certain time, it didn't cut it anymore.

Besides, netbooks aren't even a true argument anymore. The Atoms are becoming faster and even Nvidia upped that up a notch with their new chipset. And all current netbooks are capable of running Windows 7 _Ultimate_ comfortably or really well, and that is just the alpha.

And once more, I don't get the RAM/Spec/BloatJews. Every single time, for as long as mankind has existed, its the same faggotry;
-WHY WOULD YOU USE PAPER FAGGOT, ROCK IS JUST FINE!
-WHAT, STEAMENGINES? FUCK YOU AND MY HORSE BITCH!
-SILICIDE CHIPS? WHAT THE HELL OVERSPEC, MY COMPUTER IS BIGGER THAN YOURS, IT IS A SERIES OF TUBES.
-Wait...YOUR HDD HAS 10MB, FUCK YOU NIGGER, 640K IS ENOUGH FOR ALL OF US, YOU RICH JEW
-XP USES MORE RAM THAN 98, FUCK YOU AND YOUR OS
-VISTA IS SHI...nevermind this is true until SP1
-HURR WINDOWS 7 USES 60MB MORE RAM THAN XP, FUCK YOU AND YER BLOAT
-YOUR HOLOCOMPUTER USES HARD PHOTONS, FUCK YOU MAN< PORN SIMULATIONS WORK FINE WITH AAAIIIIIR.

Every. Single. Time.

>>2984316

Lol stable.

Feel free to bash windows as much as you want to, but try to find something better than win98-era arguments.

>>2984316
cool story bro

>>2984330
this man talks sense. YOU HAVE MY VOTE SIR!

I'll miss XP. It had a rough start, and had steep requirements. It had shitloads of security holes.

But now, it takes up a meager 128MB of RAM or less, it's rock solid, and fast.

The only downside is no good 64-bit driver support on x64, and now they want to kill the OS off to shove their new bloated shit down people's throats.

>>2984330

I don't think it's an issue of netbooks being able to run windaids or not (heaven forbid that fatass 7 task bar on an eee). It's more about how does a manufacturer justify adding even $50 to a $200 computer?

That's where windaids is fucked.

>>2984342

>bloated shit

BLOAT! BLOAT EVERYWHERE

>>2984330

>XP will sooner or later be outdated

LOL XP is more outdated now than DOS was when XP was released.

Windows is very rapidly becoming a legacy platform.
No real advancements are being made, it is only surviving because of inertia.

>>2984412

First of all, most people don't even know what a configuration panel is, let alone sudo commands. People will stay with what is familiar to them, like the windows GUI. Have you even seen that goddamn LinuxOS that runs on most EEEs out of the box?

And fatass Win7 taskbar huh? Have you seen that KDEtaskbar, bitch it's even bigger. And besides, like with every good OS, you can customize the shit out of it if you want to, f.e. make the bar smaller.

And the people saying Windows 7 copies of MacOSX should just choke on Steve Jobbs cock. I have used MacOSX as well, Just enough so I could see how it works(did the same with Linux), and the way it works and looks is completely fucking different. My personal opinions about MacOSX left aside, you guys need to get some eye surgery dumb homos.

>>2984436
Microsoft are really in a position now where they *must* do an OS X style overhaul.

Completely new system from the ground up with a compatibility layer to handle the transition.

The whole OS family is like a massive stack of Jenga bricks. Legacy code, legacy support, legacy concepts. Sooner or later something is going to break it completely, they need to move now to correct the situation.

>>2984461

That's exactly what XP was

>>2984468
Not even close.
There's legacy concepts in 7 that dates back to CP/M for god sake. That was 35 years ago.

>>2984468
haha, oh wow.

>>2984459

I put it to you that most people have no fucking idea how to operate windows either, they just click the blue "e" on the desktop and go off to be infested with aids.

The neat little gui on the ASUS and ACER bundled linux is perfect for these users, but they've got nothing on Ubuntu MID.

Windows 7 is really a pathetic attempt by microsoft, aping their competitors from three years ago. Regardless no matter how hard they try, how will MS convince manufacturers to add even $50 when their competitors don't have to because they ship with Ubuntu?

>>2984468
Nope. XP was a copy paste of win98 into win2k for compatibility and then a pretty-up to hope no one noticed. A home OS with the NT kernel? Not bad at all. But no way was it a rewrite.

You guys talk like OS X is good.

>>2984330
Stop being a faggot. Win7 reduced memory usage after a clean install by over 200MB vs a clean install of VistAIDS SP1. It's still way too bloated compared to XP SP3, only uses around 128MB of RAM for the entire OS vs 400MB for Win7 prebeta releases.

At least Win7 is least idiotic when it comes to RAM usage compared to VistAIDS, but still too bloaty for netbooks.

>>2984330
You are neglecting the fact that Windows has had beta products in the development stage than the release every single time.

Windows do not need to make any overhauls. The important part, the kernel is the best fucking kernel you can get. Linux is light years behind with their monolithic faggotry. The legacy fags can easily be shut up if they add a VM for 32 bit drivers or perhaps adds several subsystems for backward compatibility. Windows is moving in the correct direction with its subsystem approach.

>>2984472
they are necessary to ensure maximum compatibility, you might argue that is a bad thing. But still, M$ caters to about 90% of all computers in the world. If they do something that breaks compatibility at this stage of technology, after a period of quick advancements in architecture, they might get some trouble. Hell, x86 is outdated is fuck, but still, everyone has to keep using it.

Linux and MacOSX are different. The linux community has plenty of apt coders that are able to program or add that support if they need to. And the Mac community...Well they tend to revere Jobs as a demigod, something windows or linux users would never do. Like with the change from the PowerPC to Intel architecture. Steve Jobs(F.A.G.S.) spoketh on the 18th day, let there be switch of architecture, and thus it was done. Besides, that userbase is way smaller, and Mac OSX isn't reliant on old code because it doesn't run on other things that Macs, like windows and linux do.

>>2984489
OS X was just a copy paste of BSD with a ugly brused metal style to hope no one noticied.

>>2984511

I wish people would stop complaining about memory usage...
Include the pagefile usage in your comparisons before you complain.

>>2984521
Even if this was true the UI and even the core OS still have decades of baggage in the form of outdated and often plain unnecessary concepts.

Split and archaic filesystems, drive letters, 4 billion different UI elements left over from every single fucking release ever, indecisive system layout, legacy APIs and frameworks etc. etc. etc.

>>2984531
You spelled Nextstep wrong.

>>2984436

Yeah, just like the x86 architecture.
Don't underestimate backwards compatibility and inertia.

>>2984540
While I agree to an extent, software inertia is much simpler to overcome.

>>2984545

Lol wut? Software inertia is the main thing keeping x86 alive.

>>2984538
HA HA HA, NO

>>2984536
You obviously have no clue how windows functions and you are just spouting whatever nonsense you heard from your underaged gentoo ricer friends from irc.

>UI and even the core OS still have decades of baggage in the form of outdated and often plain unnecessary concepts.
Lol X windows. enjoy your extreme fail of astronomical proportions

>Split and archaic filesystems
The open source community has not yet been able to create a such feature rich, stable and fast fs as NTFS. FAT32 is good for compatibility. Its successor FAT64 is even better.

>drive letters
This doesn't matter. You can mount your HDD to folder if you want to. I can't say everything is a file approach is better

>4 billion different UI elements left over from every single fucking release ever
No. Software is updated continuously and deprecated UI concepts are removed. If you are bothered by this then stop using 10 year old programs.

>indecisive system layout, legacy APIs and frameworks
Taken directly from "how to spout nonsense when someone says windows is fine" by RMS

>>2984576
>feature rich, stable and fast fs as NTFS
you can run Ubuntu on NTFS, but using ext3 is better because it's a better files system.

I posit that nobody really thinks windows is good engineering, who things the following design is sound?

- registry = ridiculous and unscalable, corruption and cruft cause additional headaches on this inscrutable POS.
- system32 = just fucking stupid. random system binaries, random dlls from whatever software you've installed, random configs, random drivers and patch rollback all dumped in the one dir? GTFO!
- driver model = fucking from the 80's. Instead of autoprobing hardware and configuring on boot, windows will search system32 for random inf files and install the driver. Move the keyboard to a different USB port? REINSTALLS THE DRIVER. Try to move your installed drive to different hardware? You're REINSTALLEN.
- IE7/ActiveX = surf to a random website and you're infested with aids.

Face it man, windows is fucking shit.

>>2984591
That's because ntfs-3g is a pile of horse shit

>>2984600
YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!

>>2984602
>That's because ntfs is a pile of horse shit.

>- driver model = fucking from the 80's. Instead of autoprobing hardware and configuring on boot, windows will search system32 for random inf files and install the driver. Move the keyboard to a different USB port? REINSTALLS THE DRIVER. Try to move your installed drive to different hardware? You're REINSTALLEN.

Woah, man. Windows 3.xx arguments... srsly, get out.

>>2984622
>I WANT TO BELIEVE. YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!

I'M UBUNTU

SON OF A BITCH WINDOWS

WINDOWS IS PIG

DO YOU WANT 8 GIGABYTES RAM?

DO YOU WANT 1 TERABYTE DISK?

WINDOWS IS PIG DISGUSTING

BILL GATES IS A MONOPOLIST

FUCKING MICROSOFT

>>2984633

That's windows today. Don't believe me? Unplug your keyboard now and plug it into a different port, even on the same hub. You'll see the little nagger come up saying "found new hardware", you'll also see it in the registry.

>>2984600
posit that nobody really thinks linux is good engineering, who things the following design is sound?

.files everywhere = No structure at all and can accidentally be overwritten. Have to write yet another text parser. It's the year of editing text files because the GUI fucking sucks.
- multidir system files = lets place the files where we want to without structure
- driver model = Keyboard driver for your media keys not present? Enjoy recompiling your kernel. Brb in 4 hours
- default linux config = root3d server. Enjoy serving your xdcc bot.

Face it man, Linsux is fucking shit.

>>2984650
But I only have one PS/2 port for my keyboard.

>>2984667

Apparently you forgot file permissions, users and groups.
Look at the manpage for chmod and sudo for more information.

Linux is sure secure, you can delete in-use files.

>>2984667

Standardized, logical file system layount:

configs /etc
static content /usr
binaries /usr/bin
libs /usr/lib
non-distributed build /usr/local
dynamic content /var
logs /var/log
temporary files /tmp
user documents /home

You can't do it better.

As for the rest, Ubuntu works better out of the box on more hardware than windows does, that's for sure. I can't install windows without having a linux boot disk to figure out which drivers need to be downloaded.

>>2984687
>layount

>>2984687
Ok. Looking for documentation. Where do you loko first
/usr/doc
/usr/share/doc
/usr/share/X11R6/doc
/usr/local/doc
/usr/local/share/doc
/opt/...someshit.../doc

etc. It's an ugly mess.

>>2984700
man

>>2984700

Depends on the sytem but nowaday I usually look in http://google.com.

>>2984687
What's the difference between /usr and /opt? what's the point at all with it? What about /lib, /misc, /initrd, /bin, /sbin? There is no fucking mandatory structure at all

>>2984682
Enjoy your unpatched exploit that some lazy unpaid fucker never bothered to fix. You just have to browse a bugtracker and then it's free for all

>>2984687
>You can't do it better.
Just watch me.

configs /configs
static content /staticcontent
binaries /binaries
libs /libs
non-distributed build /non-distributedbuild
dynamic content /dynamiccontent
logs /logs
temporary files /temporaryfiles
user documents /userdocuments

What do I win?

>>2984342
>XP
>rough start
>steep requirements
>shitloads of security holes
>now they want to kill the OS off to shove their new bloated shit down people's throats.
>xp had steep requirements
>vista has steep requirements
>xp had a rough start
>vista has had a rough start
>I'll miss xp
>fuck vista

.....

>>2984706
Enjoy your unpatched exploit that some lazy paid fucker never bothered to fix and nobody's aware because the source code isn't available. It's fucking stupid to argue that the open source model isn't more productive. the argument is that right now MS supports more stuff, which is becoming less and less true.

>>2984706

/misc isn't real

/opt used to be commonly used on sysv in place of /usr/local, I still use it on Solaris.

/bin /sbin /lib are historically sysfiles required for single user boot without /usr mounted. Now typically used to segregate vital core admin tools from regular userspace.

/initrd is a linux only thing, you can get by fine without it. It's mostly put there by distros to make booting various disk configs cleaner with a single supported image.

/blabla/include
/blabla2/include
/blabla3/blabla4/include
/blabla5/blabla6/include
/blabla7/include

LOL WHICH ONE I USE?

>>2984708

Too much typing, faggot.

>>2984733

system32

>>2984733
yeah, like the windows fileystem makes any sense at all to you. mount a windows partition. You'll see that the way the user is presented with the filesystem is completely different from the way it's actually set up.

>>2984727
misc is real. At least tldp says so. My point is that there is no fucking mandatory structure. You can't bash windows' system32 when the linux equivalent is a fucking mess.

>>2984733

On my Ubuntu box:

/usr/include
/usr/src/linux/include

On my OpenBSD box
/usr/include
/usr/X11R6/include

>>2984752

Nobody uses misc, it's not present on any of my systems, you are a full of shit. But to take a guess, if it were present it would be used for miscellanous files.

The traditional system is totally logical and easy to manage, makes even more sense when you want to partition for security and availability.

I think you need to study some before passing judgement because it's dumbfucks like you who think "LOLWUT too much directories hurrdurr too hard me remember put it all in system32 hurrdurr." and we end up with windaids.

>>2984752
there's a good general consensus. two or three directories being in different places doesn't have an effect on the system.

>>2984725
It's easier to find an exploit if you have the source code and a public bugtracker. If linux had microsoft's desktop marketshare we would probably see the same kind of exploits on linux and everyone would want to use windows because it's more secure. With linux you can't hold anyone responsible for unpatched weaknesses. You are supposed to fix it yourself. With windows you can expect a patch two times a month making it easier to administrate.

>>2984778

The world's premier security experts pore over OpenBSD's source day and night and the best they've found in years was the extremely obscure remote root that Core found. Your argument is invalid.

>>2984778
Linux is more secure by design. User privileges are set properly. While open source allows people to see exploits, they allow them to be fixed faster too.

>>2984771
Linux - legacy on legacy on legacy. never mind lol let's agree to put files in these folders for the moment

>The traditional system is totally logical and easy to manage
And tomorrow there will be a new tradition because some dumbfuck decided to move everything opt to usr.

>I think you need to study some before passing judgement because it's dumbfucks like you who think "LOLWUT too much directories hurrdurr too hard me remember put it all in system32 hurrdurr." and we end up with windaids.
You need to study before you bash windows. System files go in system32 (and systemwide libs). Program specific files goes in program files. User data goes in documents and settings or user on vista (zomg symlinks provide compatability).

>>2984796 User privileges are set properly
Vista has fixed this.
>While open source allows people to see exploits, they allow them to be fixed faster too.
Truth but you still rely on people that fix it on their free time. I'm sure they rather play wow or whatever before fixing a bug.

former Vista hater. It isn't that bad op. I kind of prefer it now because of the security. Prevents retards from infecting the PC.

>>2984812

It's clear that I know more about windows than you know about unix. Nobody randomly moves filesystem structure, linux may be a mild bastard of sysv and bsd but that's no big deal to someone who knows either.

Program Files you say? Plenty of dlls and config in there. User documents, temp space and app configs slammed in to documents and settings? LOL. Configs, dlls, exes, kernel drivers, patch rollback and random aids in system32? LOL GET THE FUCK OUT!

>>2984821

IBM, Novell, Redhat, Ubuntu, OpenBSD, Apache and many others have full time employees.

>>2984821
Vista has required authorization but almost everything needs root privileges to run. No, there are plenty of professionals to ensure that shit gets fixed along with the programmers who fix stuff just for fun.

>>2984830

$RANDOM PROG wants to install dlls in system32

ALLOW OR DENY

DENY

PROGRAM DOESN'T WORK!

>>2984834

UAC is a huge improvement, but it hasn't got shit on gksu.

>>2984824 It's clear that I know more about windows than you
This is probably true since I have not used windows since around 2001 and last windows I used was widows 2000. It was fun wasting your time but now I have to install arch64 on my new laptop I just got. For some reason I believe you enjoyed it though.

>>2984838

UAC fixes nothing, it just puts the onus on dumbfuck users whether they want their program to work or not. Deny? Program won't work. Allow? Aids.

>>2984844

Arch? LOL it's entirely evident that I know more about Unix than you as well.

>>2984844

LOL I TROLL U!!!

THIS IS THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!

FUCK YOU BILL GATE$$$$$$$$$$!

FUCK YOU M$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!

>>2984853
UNIX is for fags. Real heterosexual pedophiles enjoy GNU/Linux.

>>2984857 loli troll u
I wish. ASL?

>>2984866

arch = riceaids.

>>2984877
It's the best 64 bit linux distro. I'll enjoy my kdemod while you enjoy cock in your ass (gnome).

There are a bunch of user options avalible on windows, MS use them correctly.

Lazy 3rd party programmers exist for both platforms who dont bother checking if they have the right permissions or request permissions they dont need.

Lots of people run root on linux, lots of people do sudo rm -rf or whatever because PEOPLE ARE STUPID.

>>2984823

I HERD IF U TURN TEH COMP OFF U DONT GET INFECTED BY RETARTS!!!

>>2984893

MS: It's everyone else's fault.

>>2984893

I see stupid people alright, STUPID PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

>>2984849

That was my point exactly when I said it hasn't got shit on gksu (or kdsu or even sudo).
But its an improvement in the sense that certain applications just can't run and hide themselves without triggering UAC like before UAC existed.

>>2984939

Except when they trigger local admin exploit and do whatever they like.

>>2984951
Can't really protect against that

Anyway, windows is finished.

/thread.

>>2984823
>Prevents retards from infecting the PC.
Oh, the irony!

NO. U.
This thread shall be immortal. It cannot be saged.

>>2985002

It's going nowhere, winfags have got all butthurtz that winaids is shit.