Make a system which is more convenient and better than pirating.

See Spotify and Netflix.

You don't. Welcome to the end of the media industry.

www.kickstarter.com

By installing rootkits and all kinds of malware on purchased copies of said content, obviously.

>>23758336
Just like the music industry. It's over.

By not being jews.

People buy things that they like. People are never going to pay for music upfront anymore, movies are too expensive with drm all over the place, software companies charge too much for software that has free alternatives.

The shit ones start working the mines, like they should.

The good ones receive recognition.

http://torrentfreak.com/bittorrent-piracy-doesnt-affect-us-box-office-returns-study-finds-120210/

they can fix the issue themselves.

as for music labels, we dont need them any more. let them die.

>>23758336
By licensing all artistic content under a Creative Commons license and all software under the GPL.

>>23758357
But neither of those are better nor more convenient than piracy...

Or you could be like me. Make music simply because you enjoy it and release it for free.

License your work at a price that reflects the content you are selling. When theaters are $15 a pop, you expect to get something for it besides a nice quiet place to bring your lady friends(lol /g/). DVDs with more commercials than legit content that cost more than the same ticket at the theaters. Why? It seems that there ARE reasonably priced media that are reasonably distributed and with minimal DRM, they are still selling despite being easier to pirate... right?

Maybe if more companies actually tried competition, they could at least curb piracy into the lower numbers that we saw in the 80s & 90s

>>23758413
You do know that good in the masses eyes probably isn't the same as you like. Enjoy having your favorite artists waste away in a coal mine somewhere.

>>23758448
and remain a McDonalds employee struggling to survive on a minimum wage budget

>>23758437
Brilliant.
That way content and software would be judged qualitatively instead of "GIVE ME MONIES PLOX OR I SUE U"

>>23758448
Yes they are. With Spotify you don't have to download songs anymore, and you can get them at fairly high quality for a monthly fee.
You can also listen to the songs for free without the monthly fee, but only a limited amount of times, and you get ads.

That's a very good system if you ask me. But I download my music and upload it to Google music instead.

>Make music simply because you enjoy it and release it for free.
But you don't make any money that way... It would be almost impossible to feed your family that way.

>>23758437
Communism is bad. Not as bad as what passes for capitalism, but still bad.

>>23758423

but the music labeels are the promoters

artist make most of their money off touring, and without a label promoting them, nobody would go to their concerts, thus they would not make any money

Every friday night I go to the cinema with a friend.

The media industry is doing just fine.

>>23758518
>communism
wtfamireading.jpg
It's pure, social-darwinian free-market economics. Without the scum that is capitalism.

>>23758478
That really is too bad for you. Personally I can't be more than happy with my job. Probably because I bothered to educate myself towards a job that I find interesting and useful.

Freemium is the way of the future, which is really shitty for video games because they will phase out single player games because HURR NO MULTIPLAYER=NO PROFITS

>>23758533
Internet music communities promote artists far better than labels do.

Unless you're listening to shitty top 40s trash.

>>23758533
Really? I always assumed it was album sales. Doesn't take much of a promoter to give radio promotional singles to play for free. Workin hard to give people free stuff = needs 80+% of the income. Throw that into a digital distribution model and you've got internet radios/youtube(ehh) on top of regular stuff that can be managed by 3rd parties.

>>23758544
And yet you'll have rich dictators controlling what you do

>>23758544
>implying a corruption-free capitalism economy isn't the most viable on a large scale

>>23758566
Mid budget games are doing fine on the PC. It's only on the consoles where they don't sell.

DRM

Crowdfunding.

>>23758599
I always forget about lower budget games. I guess I just need to actually put some effort into looking for them.`

Piracy is a marketing tool

>>23758599
Hell yeah, on like.... companies that run multiple MMOs on the same engine.... they've just gotten LOADS more profit since free2play+premiumstore sales. Also tons more players to help marketing. Wish I could keep up with some of them.

>>23758623
Technically titles like The Witcher 2 would be considered mid budget.

I'm fine with games of that quality.

>>23758566
I remember TF2 HAD it right, when they only sold purely cosmetic items in the cash shop. Now it's an unbalanced pay2win fuckfest filled with br's because it's f2p.

I can only hope Icefrog doesn't let Dota 2 go the same way.

>>23758513
>everyone lives in America! XDDDDDDD

>>23758662
CDProjekt is so smart too. They release the game on pc first, then give a shitty port to consoles that sells a lot because console faggots buy anything that is marketed at them.

>>23758689
If you don't, you should.

>>23758681
I bought the orange box.
>TF2 went F2P, no refund
>Portal given away to macfags free, no refund.
>HL2Ep3 never coming out, no refund.
Haet orange box, in retrospect.

>>23758707
I prefer my AAA.

>>23758336
By making good content that people actually want to pay for.

>>23758689
Well I don't. I wish Netflix or some other videos streaming service would come to Sweden where I live. The only one we have sucks.
Spotify is available in lots of countries.

>>23758710
>TF2 is a pTw fuckfest

That's wrong though.

Unless you consider buying weapons game breaking. Weapons you can trade for in about 5 minutes of looking.

Not to mention almost all the new weapons are dog shit.

>>23758710
That’s not how paying for things works. You don’t buy a graphics card and then expect a refund when next year, that same card sells for less.

Guys, just pirate with discretion, if you want to.

That one guy who plays guitar that offers downloads of mp3s on their site for a dollar?

Maybe support them...

The more money that goes directly to a team, or artist, potentially the more considerable the support...

TL;DR : Support individuals, not corporate customerfucking-mongering / monopolizing...

Unfortunately, the more you pirate, the more people with money may think they should be making more money, and the more money they might spend on legislation like SOPA, PIPA, and other draconian and intrusive measures.

Until those systems dissolve, anyway.

Don't believe capitalism won't go down without a flurry of "Death throws"...

>>23758745
OK maybe not pay to win, but it's still completely imba.

>Music
Give away the recording to promote the live concert, music has always been about the live performance. Bear in mind, this 'record industry' is only around 100 years old. Now that we can distribute recordings for free, why would we be paying? Out of the goodness of our hearts? FFS.
>Movies
VHS and DVD's were only widespread from the 90s through the early 00's. People went to the cinema, have always gone to the cinema, and the 'success' of a new movie is defined by it's box office take anyway, so I don't see why 'piracy' is even considered an issue.
>TV
Same as above, it survived before the VHS/DvD thing, it's paid for mainly by ads that go out during the initial broadcast anyway, and technology now allows viewers to access their content any time. TV needs to embrace digital distribution or it deserves to die out. Look at 4oD.
>VIDYA GAEMZ
Open source the engine and embrace the modding community, gamers are always willing to pay a fair price, but the trust has been broken with the rise of day 1 on-disk DLC. F2P in tier 1 games is a rising trend and it's nice to see (even if there's BR BR in all the games). The console attitude is backward (Paying for online matchmaking, seriously Microsoft?)

We'll drag them kicking and screaming into this new age, and much as they'll try to destroy the internet to prevent it, they will not prevail. Adapt or die motherfuckers.

>>23758749
Well, for TF2, as a pay game I expected less casual. In a game now dedicated to casuals.

Portal, well it's practically a minigame, so I don't mind, but it still fits.

HL2 I expected to be a completed game. I'll say the same thing I said when I returned Crysis: It's not what I paid for. The full game. HL2 may have been, but HL2 EP1-2 were not completed.

>>23758779

Now go tell that to the producers.

You guys can squabble about your personal justifications all you want. This is 4chan, after all.

But ultimately, people are likely just going to believe what they want, and if you want try try in the game of changing perspectives, this energy would be better spent on the people arguably least likely to listen. Which is the people making shit loads of money the potentially exploit artists in various fashions...

Trying to get the message across by stealing is probably not a very sound method, either.

Creating something convienient for consumers that generates MORE money is more likely to "change the game", at present, in this greedy, corruptible, money-mongering society we're currently living in...

>>23758760
>Don't believe capitalism won't go down without a flurry of "Death throws"...

If you want communism, just go to China, where you can enjoy your internet censorship, and suppression of freedom of speech.

Donateware

Since everyone knows that crack-proof protection is impossible and file sharing is unstoppable, maybe at some point they will try to be honest and just say "hey, look, did you like that game/movie/album? Then pay whatever sum of money you think its worth".

>>23758779
>F2P
>good

In case you didn't know, f2p = pay to win.

>>23758592
>>implying a corruption-free capitalism economy is even possible to exist
>corruption
>capitalism
>free
Pick one.

>>23758861

Yep. no threat of internet censorship here.

OMG guys, we're so free.

Just look at HR.347, which makes it easier to prosecute those who dissent, and has made it illegal to protest on the grounds outside the white house, and the recent executive order that gives the president the legal ability to seize resources, land, and personal property during peace time.

And ISPs throttling alleged pirates...

>>23758798
You paid for something, had years of use out of it, and now it's given to others for free. You're not entitled to bitch and moan because 'hurr F2Pfags suck'.

You'd be more entitled to moan about the stupid fucking new weapons they've patched in that completely changed the product you paid for.

As for Half Life, you paid for Half Life 2, you got half life 2, a complete game, part of a wider story. They have you 2 more games with that for free so far. They might give you another, but probably not. With all the development and a new engine, they're gonna ask for more money to pay for that development time.

As for portal, it was a tech demo, get over it.

You thought it was worth paying for at the time, it sounds like you got your money's worth out of it, and bear in mind, EA charge full price and release THE SAME GAME every year with updated player info (FIFA), and I know people who pay for it, knowing this, and don't care.

tl;dr, Valve owe you nothing, you got what you paid for.

rms had an idea of fans submitting optional payments in gratitude

>>23758798
>>23758798
TF2 has always been casual but fun as fuck.


How could you ever take a game with random bullet spread and critical hits seriously? You can also avoid servers with poor communities.

>>23758861
>implying the West already doesn't do large scale self-censorship which is even worse
Don't worry son, in ten or twenty years your intertubes will be as free as the current Chinese ones.

They release shit people want to buy. Make physical copies worth my while. Make digital distribution DRM free and make sure good content is available. It worked for music and PC gaming, so it can work for movies. The piracy problem is made up. Content creators are making more than ever, but still like to pretend that piracy is hurting them. Piracy is free promotion. The only pirates that don't buy things are underage children.

YOU'LL MAKE MONEY BY ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKING ON THE CLOCK, THAN COLLECTING FUCKING ROYALTIES.

COPYRIGHT LAW SHOULD BE ABOLISHED ENTIRELY. YOU CAN NOT PRISON INFORMATION IN A COMMUNITY. IT'S NOT ETHICAL OR REASONABLE. COPYRIGHT IS BAD FOR SCIENCE AND THE ARTS, BECAUSE IT PROHIBITS COMMUNITY COLLABORATION.

>>23758971
>apple copyrights

>>23758891
In TF2's case, everything that gives an advantage and can be bought can also drop or be traded for. I've never made a purchase from the Mann Co. store, and I have every major item in the game, (except for the newest ones, but I could easily trade some of my spares for them if I were inclined).

The only advantage to paying is that you can get something NOW you might otherwise have to wait for.

>>23758971
>YOU'LL MAKE MONEY BY ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKING ON THE CLOCK

FROM YOUR USAGE OF CAPITALS YOU SEEM TO HAVE AN INTENSE HATRED FOR ANYONE WHO WORKS IN MEDIA.

>>23758971
But if most countries with advanced technology give it away, they will be thrown into poverty. Extreme example: Japan.

>>23758971
Yep, this is something that I'm worried about. Throughout our history, songs, stories, and ideas have been passed freely though our culture. Now, for the first time ever, there's an 'entry fee' for access to our culture. I can't talk about Mickey Mouse without risking Disney pounding my ass.

This is our world, they smugly bombard us with their version of our culture and then tell us we're not allowed to organically process it. The internet empowers us to return to a read/write culture, by adapting the images and ideas of our (relatively new) mass media into new images and ideas.

To ban this progression of our culture is reprehensible (and by the way, this new cultural form of expression began on 4chan, we called them memes).

>>23759001
information != hardware

>>23758971
>COPYRIGHT LAW SHOULD BE ABOLISHED ENTIRELY.

I disagree. IP law should be reformed, not abandoned entirely.

>>23758971
>>23759024
Well there goes all the incentive to make anything ever. Record anything ever. Why keep it written down if you have to go out of your pocket to make sure it's shared? I know there will be a few.... but imagine the 1% that aren't shit we have now.... and imagine the 0.001% that don't suck of the new 1% that will still care enough to exist.

crowd funding.

I don't pirate because I'm poor, I pirate because I don't really like most of the shit. I'm perfectly willing to pay if I know my money is invested in something I like.

>>23759069
> I pirate because I don't really like most of the shit.
If you don't like it, why are you downloading it?

> In a world where piracy is inevitable, and growing faster than ever, how will content creators be able to create revenue?

Maybe actually start selling DVDs again ? I get pretty mad with how much content these days is download only. ISP's are jewing people left and right these days in America, it's cheaper and more efficient for me to pay a couple a bucks for a few gigs on a disc than it is to waste bandwidth and time downloading it.

>>23759086
Hah, remember when there was shareware? That's why.

>>23759086
Because I have nothing else to do in my life.

>>23759101
Where do you live? Unless you're using mobile internet it shouldn't be problem in America...

>>23758533
>but the music labeels are the promoters
no, the people is.
>youtube
>facebook
>word of mouth
>schedule on their website

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brfR1-WGkps&feature=related

>>23759057
Bullshit. Bands already make most of their money by playing live, and the lack of a record industry would mean a level playing field and fewer restrictions on self-organized distribution.

Painters will still paint, musicians will still play music, writers will still write. All you'd do is remove the barriers of beaurocracy. Maybe there'd be a few less Britney Spears's in this world, big fucking loss if you ask me.

>>23758861
>china
>communist

>>23759158
This is only true for non mainstream artists. Pop artists like Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj, etc. were all manufactured and promoted by their record labels.

>>23759178
Also,
>America
>capitalism

>>23759086
This right fcking here. If I could get my favourite flavours of ice cream for free, and the flavours that I didn't like, why would I ever VOLUNTARILY get the ones I didn't like?

>If they gave me flavours I actually liked, I would start paying them, but until then, I'll keep on eating these flavours of ice cream that I don't like.

>>23759198
so?

>>23759141
New Jersey

>>23759207
>>23759086
how would i know without listening/watching it?

retard

>>23759178
I get where you're coming from...
>>23759199
...but you kinda lost me here.
>>23759213
So record labels still serve a purpose for some artists. They may not have much to do with the ones that I listen to, but for others they are still very relevant.

>>23759225
Gee, I don't know...

>>23759207
I don't know man. The only reason I bought TGWDT Bluray was because I watched the screener and fell in love. Piracy's the only reason why I just flew accross the country to see a Japanese band live.

Piracy makes money.

>>23759236
They're only relevant because, like you said, they 'manufactured' their stars.

Real stars are born, not made. I hate to use this as an example, but, Justin Bieber is a good example. He started out posting his songs on Youtube.

>>23759254
>review
>same as doing it yourself

>>23759279
But his name wasn't a household name till a label found and put him on a bunch of daytime talk shows and kids radio stations.

There are millions of blonde girly looking teenage boys that can do what he does. They just don't have a gigantic marketing firm behind them.

>>23759254

I'd rather go around asking people on the street, personally. At least I can see they're not rolling around in fat stacks of kickback cash.

>>23759320
That is true. But they are still becoming less and less outdated. The rumours of Megaupload's service for musicians would be a big leap in the right direction.

Kickstarter-esque fund, where artists say "i'll make new art if i get $x in the pot". Works by reputation of the artist, and fans spreading word-of-mouth. People get their money back if artist doesn't get adequate funds. Bloggers would specialize in 'discovering new art for you to fund'. People get special stickers and other unique promotional stuff for funding art.

>>23759390
>less and less needed*
damnit

The truth is, pirates have problem with paying for content, period. It's not about whether the content has DRM or not, or the quality of the content, but they have a problem paying for something they can get for free, legal or not.

World of Goo has a reported 90% piracy rate. No DRM. http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2008/11/acrying-shame-world-of-goo-piracy-rate-near-90.ars

>>23759571
Yeah, well, who would even WANT that game? It's not exactly Skyrim(which was balls, where's the DLC?)

>>23759571
Yeah. Not only that, but you also have what I call the "anarchists", who pirate for no other reason but to deprive the studios of their revenue (they wish to see the studios bankrupt). They wouldn't use Spotify or Netflix for the sole reason reason that the studio/label receives revenue from it.

i stopped pirating shit a while ago. im just so jewish with my money. stealing things from walmart is fun as fuck though. i jacked like 8 my little pony dolls yesterday. shit was so cash.

>>23759682
>angsty teenagers wont buy my products oh no what will i ever do

>>23758336

I can understand piracy where you're underage, have no job/make so little money where you can barely afford anything other than food, rent, etc.,

However, if you have the ability to pay, pay for your shit.

>>23759571
And Spore was the most pirated game in history.

>>23759592

You have the shitiest tastes.

>>23759653
>>23759682
>pirates are anarchists
get the fuck out

>>23759682
I'm one of them. I can't stand having to work at a fucking Rally's on near minium wage, and seeing these media industry screws making more money in a day than I do a month. Fuck the mainstream media, and fuck the indie media.

>>23758448
Whats your website, I would like to hear your music

>>23759755
>if you have the ability to pay, pay for your shit.
Why should I pay for something that costs practically nothing for somebody to transmit to me?

I understand paying for a pair of shoes. There are only one of those pair, and for me to take it is to deprive someone else of those shoes. That's not the case with electronic files. People should be celebrating how easy it is to freely transfer files between people, instead, they get mad when I share with my friends.

Honor system for some content. (Witcher 2 DRM-free, made a boatload)

Convenience for other content (Netflix, Amazon Prime VOD)

If you make good content, people will buy it. I only pirate things I don't want to buy because it's not worth my money. If people are spending $2000 on a gaming PC, they have the money to buy your games, but sometime they don't because they are completely horrible.

>>23759805

That's such a bullshit argument, how can you even rationalize that.

>>23759834
The upside of doing that, is it virtually eliminates the chance of getting caught. If you don't want to pay for it, then fine.

>>23759790
>>23759682
>>23759653
>>23759743
fuck off samefag

>>23759571

This is as retarded as MPAA's HURR EVERY DOWNLOAD IS A LOST SALE

>>23759903
indeed. the people putting out these piracy numbers are fucking retarded

>http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/rob_reid_the_8_billion_ipod.html

>>23759904
>there are no morals and ethics in anarchy