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I use it to watch American TV (Netflix/Hulu), but other than that, don't really use it
The 'anonymity' they claim is not very much, the exit nodes can see everything you do
If you're using it for privacy, then don't
If you're using it for country restricted content, then do

>>22480588
What if I want 'anonymity, where should i look?

>>22480626
look at tor

torproject.org

>>22480626
Purchase VPN

>>22480588

If you're accessing a site which is a hidden service (one with a URL that ends in .onion), there is no exit node, so privacy is better.

>>22480588
Internal sites are completely private, and in theory it doesn't matter that the exit nodes can see what you are doing as long as you don't put any identifying information through them.

It is an interesting piece of technology, but you have to keep in mind that it isn't completely waterproof.

Ok.. BegginingFag here.. What exactly is the 'exit node' ?

>>22480692
The server where you traffic pretends it is
Like, if you wanted to pretend you were in the states, your exit node would be in the states
It acts as your computers IP address essentially,
it's what other people/servers interact with

I buy weed and acid with Tor all the time. Haven't gotten v& yet.

>>22480715
>it's what other people/servers interact with

yeah this, it's the proxy that will connect to the site you specify.
TOR is not just one proxy, there are other proxies in front of the final one and they are called relays, only the final relay is an exit node.

>>22480715
Ok thanks. But if I don't want the .onion sites which are completely private but just want to act 'anonymously' is tor my best option ? (If I don't want to pay for a VPN).
And could I Use tor combined with a chrome proxy?

More work needs to be done on it. Technologies are one of the few things we have to fight back.

>>22480650
>VPN that is full retard. All the anonymous kids who are still in jail for ddosing VISA & friends used VPN to brag about their deeds on twitter. There isn't a service out there that will tell law enforcement to go fuck itself when they ask for your data.

TOR is still 100% safe and if there exist backdoors the US won't reveal them for someone looking at CP.

>>22480723

Been thinking of doing this myself. Any tips/advice on successful transactions? Do you just get that shit straight up delivered to your home address or have a safehouse or drop-off addy?

>>22480723

You aren't much more likely to be caught over the normal net. At least not through provider-sided traffic analysis alone, because there is no democratic country (yet) which analyzes internet activities (client-sided) without at least a search warrant.

Tor is for the protection of the dealers, not for the protection of the consumers.

The biggest risk is trying to buy illegal wares from a cop and give them personal information. But in this case any attempts at trying to be technically untraceable is futile.

>>22480753
Not sure what a Chrome proxy is, but if you're looking for Anonymity, TOR is better than the VPN.
All it takes to blow you up is them giving up the data. You cannot, by theory, have proof they do not log.

gotta go to another country and setup your own VPN

>>22480798
yeah, safe-house or a P.O. box is recommended. most people seem to be going without many problems using either of them.

>>22480820
Well I heard that using more than 1 proxy is safer is it true?
E.g Use a proxy to use Tor after .

>>22480793

TOR is NOT 100% safe. The cryptography itself is pretty secure - everyone who says otherwise can be safely disregarded as a conspiracy nut - but there are multiple attack vectors which are very real and are already used.

1. browser plugins which reveal your original IP address (requires cooperation of the website you visit, though)
2. compromised exit nodes

>>22480856
If you don't know how to use it properly of course it won't be safe. And the compromised exit nodes is a bullshit myth. The way it is set up you'd need entire clusters compromised. Sure it's possible but like I said if some government is doing that they won't go after non terrorists simply because they don't want to reveal they can.

>>22480856
If I want to DDoS, is Tor a good option mask my IP?

>>22480854
Correctly configured, TOR is 100% safe as long as you remain within TOR. If you use it to browse the clearnet, you can be compromised by a malicious exit node that's monitoring where you go. If you browse through TOR from behind a proxy, the exit node will be able to find the proxy but not you, but the proxy may have kept your data logged.

The proxy may or may not help, but it won't hurt.

I use tor for trolling a forum I frequent that allows disposable emails. Problem, white knight mods?

>>22480798

Yeah I get it delivered to my house. You're not supposed to get it delivered to a shady looking place that nobody owns. That puts your dealer at risk if they can trace him.

I order an ounce or two at a time and its always a business looking package. It's never searched and even if searched and intercepted, for some reason, it doesn't get back to you.

TOR is a stupid game and GW2 will be way better

>>22480898
You would end up ddossing the Tor nodes and network

Where else would I get my CP

>>22480939
So which proxy should I use ?
I'm sure it's not safe to DDos Directly from my IP adress.

>>22480980
DDoS from your botnet. Don't have a botnet? Don't LOIC.

>>22480898

No, please don't DDoS using TOR.

You are hitting each node which relies your traffic more than twice as hard as you hit the target. It won't even be very effective anyway, because a TOR circuit gives you only a fraction of the bandwidth you get with a direct connection. So you essential hurt the TOR network a lot just to do comparatively marginal damage to your target.

>>22480650
this is retarded.. the VPN provider still has to abide by the rules of the country they operate in and i doubt they'll hesitate to give out information about you when asked

>>22480723
where do you go to get said weed and acid?

>>22481076
Silk Road, probably.

>>22481121
>Silk Road
more info need weed plz

>>22481177
It's an onion hidden service. And I hope you have plenty of Buttcoins around to buy it with.

People are starting to run patched servers on tor to help tract CP so fuck you pedos!
source: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/hacker-builds-tracking-system-to-nab-tor-pedophiles/114

>>22481043
How is it retarded if you purchase VPN anonymously and never run off of your home network?

>>22481266
>java applet pops up
>hey run me!
People who actually fall for that deserve to be caught.

>>22481266
It requires Javascript and Java activated, I don't think any smart person using Tor would have those activated.

>>22481306

You are as anonymous to your VPN provider as you are to any normal website on the regular internet. To build a VPN tunnel they need your IP address which can then be used to identify you.

>>22481354
Are you fucking dense? I said never run off of your home network. I know how a fucking VPN works, I use one daily.

>>22481390
Also, the point is, if you're running from a VPN in a country that isn't necessarily interested in cooperating with the US - they don't have to release your IP anyway.

>>22481390
The amount of data they get to keep about your activites is unacceptable. Seriously, just stop trying to anonymous, you're fucking your privacy harder by doing so.

>>22481412
Hedging your chances on a trust relationship with a shady VPN provider is not smart.

>>22481423
>>22481440
That's fine, I'm not necessarily advocating it, personally - I don't use a VPN for anonymity, I use one for work.
However, if you give no information to the VPN provider, how exactly are they going to give authorities information?

>>22481390

When you don't connect from home, what are you afraid of?

>>22481412

Country not cooperating with the US = very likely corrupt = not unlikely to blackmail you when they collected enough incriminating data.

>>22481461
You give them lots of information when you're using their service, and it gets worse the longer you use it. Profiling attacks everywhere.

>>22480925

Please, people new to TOR transactions and buying shit don't do this.

>>22481502
I still don't really understand - what if nothing on your PC gives any discerning information about you?

>>22481518
Why? I've heard plenty of legit stories about Silk Road.

>>22481461

The VPN provider can relate all your activities to your user account, because you need to authenticate yourself somehow to use their service. They can then tell the police the time and IP addresses you used to connect to their service. The police can then go to your provider and ask them for the name and residence of the person who used these IP addresses during these times.

>>22481596
Sometimes I wonder how people on 4chan wake up in the morning and brush their teeth.

I said, as long as you're not on your home network.

>>22481537
It's a bit similar to how Google profiles people, they profile them with what they put into Google. If you use a VPN for a year and put all of your traffic through it, I guarantee that the VPN provider would be able to find out all kinds of shit about you. If all you do is look up cat videos at work through the VPN, it's not that big of a deal.

http://pastebin.com/kRKZJTSt

>>22481628
So why do people advocate it? Are there not secure VPNs that solely exist to give people anonymity?

>>22481625

> not on my home network
> not on my home network
> not on my home network
> not on my home network

Answer >>22481476

When you are not on your home network, and you are so convinced that you are completely unidentifiable on this network you use, then why do you bother with additional anonymity at all?

>>22481664
>Why do people advocate it?
I really don't know, it's a broken security model, and it's why Tor was invented. Tor doesn't use 3 nodes just to put extra proxies between you and the site you're visiting, it gives you a whole bunch of securit properties that protect you from nearly everyone, unless you're passing unencrypted information through it.

>>22481664

> Are there not commercial VPNs that solely exist to make money for their owners?

fixed that for you

>>22481664
Don't be naive. They say this so you buy their subscription. Then they may 'not bother' or 'profile' you, nobody knows.

>So why do people advocate it?
Because usually all of their concern is not to get caught downloading torrents. Using the VPN, they wouldn't give up their IP just like that.
So in the short-term, they escaped any potential problems.

>>22481664
VPN's defeat any sort of network sniffing and can be used to help protect privacy from a 3rd party (that you didn't pay for aka hackers script kiddy) but to get technical, any traffic that exits the vpn (that isnt encrypted plantxt or http) could be sniffed if you are in a place to sniff traffic

>>22481743
>>22481730
>>22481715
Wouldn't the same be said for proxies, or am I a total fucking retard that doesn't know shit about computers?

>>22481784
yes. never trust a proxy, especially if someone set it up for you and sold it to you.

>>22480588
you are a moron or troll

>>22481730
If you're paying for protection for torrents giving away your IP
>Y U NO USENET (faster, just as likly not go give ip)
Either way your going to pay.
Love Non-Retard

>>22480856
1. Browser plugins
Fake ones are hilariously obvious.

2. compromised exit nodes
All exit nodes are compromised. That's the point, it doesn't matter.

>>22481796
So basically, the only way to be Anon is to run TOR on a public connection.

>>22481784
Yes, one hop proxies essentially give you the same protection as a VPN. (if we're talking about routing web traffic through it that is). VPNs are just a bit more trustworthy that some random proxy you dig up on a Russian prox list though.

>>22481838
Right. but TOR is essentially a multi-layered proxy anyway... so no point. Just hop on someone else's internet and make sure you have java turned ON for cruise control.

>>22481829
There are other darknets, like I2P and Freenet (one could argue the routing system in Freenet is a bit broken, but whatever), which are also designed to resist traffic analysis and give you anonymity and forward security, all that good stuff Tor can do if used properly.

>>22481743
> VPN's defeat any sort of network sniffing

Unless it's the VPN itself which is sniffing on you.

The original purpose of virtual private networks is that you can safely connect to trusted(!) machines which use the same(!) VPN over an untrusted physical network like the internet.

Using a VPN as an encrypted proxy for web browsing in an untrusted network is not what the technology was designed for.

>>22480588

lrn about onionrouting. The exit node sees only the IP of your last proxy but since TOR always uses at least 3 proxies, the node doesnt know shit unless you got javascript on or post information over non tls/ssl or non https.

>>22481856
Yep just make sure anything java is turned on!
>Java = security protocol for tor

>>22481856
Yes, but that's the main point. It's multi-layered, and spreads the trust relationship to three seperate parties, which means none of them can really fuck you.

Your ISP sees you connect to the first node, and encrypted packets

The first node sees you, and the 2nd node which you connect to, and encrypted packets

The second node sees the first node, and the exit node, and encrypted packets

The exit node sees the second node, and the site you connect to. If you pass cleartext packets into Tor, this is the node that will see them, if you pass encrypted packets into Tor, it will only see encrypted packets (gibberish).

The site sees a Tor exit node.

You see how this all works to protect you from every single party and gives you maximum anonymity?

>>22481939
Yes, I understand how it works, lol.

/x/ needs to get off it

>>22481860

The interesting thing about Freenet is that it distributes content hosting over the network, and doesn't require a physical server like TOR hidden services do. So even when you screw up and you get busted, your content stays online and there is no way for the authorities to get rid of it. You can even delete your evil files after you uploaded them to Freenet together with the key you used to sign them, and then there is no way to prove that you were the one who put the stuff online.

Unfortunately all of this has a price: abysmal performance!

>>22480535
>>22480692
all explained in one picture.
If the exit node is compromised, they will see what Alice does unless Bob uses encryption too.

>>22481976
Wouldn't they have to compromise all of the exit nodes in succession? They are all encrypted.

>>22481998

Also, Freenet only allows static files, and not web applications with server-sided processing like TOR hidden services do.

Beginnerfag here.


I tried getting onto the hidden wiki,

but the browser takes a fucklong time to load the page. I don't even think it's letting me connect.

Any tips? I followed the guide here-

>>22482014
This is why it's important to use encryption. Bob still doesn't know who Alice is though, and neither does the exit node.

>hurr im a durr
>cannot setup tor
>ask on /g/ wat ppl think

>>22482044
That's normal. Sometimes websites don't work at all, sometimes they take a minute or more to connect to.

>>22482014
They can see what Alice does but they do not know who Alice is, so that is irrelevant.

>>22482024

Yes, to compromise a TOR connection you need to control all nodes used in the connection. The nodes are selected at random, so this seems hard to accomplish at first glance. But don't forget that nodes are just as anonymous as you are. Everyone can create an exit node. Or hundreds. Or thousands. Or a million.

>>22482065

Alright, thanks bro.


Also, is there a list of like, good shit with .onion? that isn't primarily child porn, black markets, and drug sites?

>>22482044
There is a button that says change identity or something. It gives you a new route. With some luck, you will get a faster one (or a slower).

I think that tor project should kill off onionland for good and keep tor purely as a proxy.

>>22482052
>This is why it's important to use encryption. Bob still doesn't know who Alice is though, and neither does the exit node.
yep

>>22482095

There are also some conspiracy nuts and psychopath roleplaying communities which are good for a laugh.

>>22482095

yeah the hidden wiki

>>22482095
Ask TORdir. Find it on google.

Some people were using VPNs + Tor to remain anonymous, wouldn't it be more effective if you connect to the tor network first and then use the VPN?

Or, can LE find out the source, regardless of the order you use?

>>22482159
wouldn't matter, if you're using a vpn, they already know who you are and what traffic you're sending out. But if you use a vpn first, all they see is encrypted tor traffic. But if you use tor first your vpn will see the tor traffic from the exit node (unencrypted)

>>22481209

What the fuck are buttcoins? I guess you wouldn't want to use your credit card. So something you buy before hand to trade with the site? I dunno.

Are those mercenary advertisements real?

>>22482331
>But if you use tor first your vpn will see the tor traffic from the exit node (unencrypted)
I forgot to specify in detail the scenario, I want to use this to access hosts on the clearnet. Since you're obfuscating the source of the traffic by using a Tor exit node and then connecting to a VPN to access a host on the clearnet, wouldn't this be a little bit more secure?

>>22481266
>d) The first method uses the Java API to determine the local IP address of the user. This value is then passed back to the JavaScript code in the Web HTML snippet hosting the applet. The goal of this step is to get the real *internal* IP address of the user.

>is then passed back to the JavaScript code

>javascript

seriously, guyze, seriously

>>22482563
The VPN will see what you're browsing, but it won't know who you are. The exit node will see what you're browser and who you are. If you use the VPN before connecting to TOR, you're mostly safe from both. Someone would need logs from both the VPN and the exit node to identify you.