Missed one.

Oh, and if you have any suggestions for what pic to put at the bottom, I will probably add it.

If not, I will add something from DotA 2.

Aside from the 7970, are there any other cards in the 7000 series that could potentially usurp the 6970?

>>21796664
The 7870, probably. If it is a 6970 shrunk to 28nm, then it will be the same performance with less power consumption/heat/noise. If the yields are the same, then it will be cheaper to manufacture, too.

Bump.

Bump for suggestions/criticism/comments.

I think that's the right call overall. Also, updating the guide seems kinda pointless for at least the next few months. As you said, ain't much new coming out :/


also, you may recall discussing PSUs over email with me a few weeks ago, and I eventually decided on an Enermax 750W: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194086

I plan on crossfire in the near future, that's why the high wattage.

Good choice or shit?

Lonely bump ;_;

This is what the guide looks like now.

I vote for cats for the pic.

>"This means not including some excellent, but overpriced, alternatives."

Any plans to include these? Either within the guide or a separate "premium build" guide?

Thanks Falcon. I plan on picking up a GTX 560 448, and the 620w seasonic from this guide soon.

>>21796914
Scott, right? That one is fine, but consider this one too: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139021

It has a promo code for USD$5 off.

>>21796965
yup, its me. I bit on the sale already and placed the order a day ago. For better or worse its the one I'm going to be stuck with.

>>21796965
>$10 off w/ promo code EMCJHHK36, ends 12/26
Woops, $10.

>>21796944
Sure. Suggest a cat.

>>21796949
I do mention lots of cases, and a few PSU series, in the appropriate sections, that I could not recommend at the top because of the very high price.

That reminds me: I stated that the 580 is excellent, but overpriced. I should add the 7970 there too.

>>21796962
No problem... but I do need suggestions/comments/criticism...

I am wondering why we dont take into account future upgradeability. like if the lower end mobos were am3, they still make a lot of cheap am3 boards as well as cheap and decent if not better price/performance than the pentiums and celerons. and it leaves you room to upgrade to a higher end amd chip

>>21796990
It is fine. Enermax is usually considered to be pretty good. Not sure about that exact model, though.

Rainbow Dash for the pic.

I know you said you cant recommend the 7970 but is x3 crossfire 6950 better than the x2 crossfire 7970 for the same price?

>>21797047
>x3 crossfire 6950

>>21797066

falcon is the one who suggested it

>>21797047
I doubt it. Even if we assume that a 7970 is 30% better than a 6970, and has has perfect scaling, 6970x3 would still be better.

But we should wait for a reviewer to actually compare these before jumping to conclusions.

>>21797030
It's fairly new, the reviews so far have been good. I liked it because the cables are all fairly long as opposed to some of the other PSUs I was looking at for ~$20 less.

Also, thought I'd mention that between the components I'm reusing and the ones I got for free I'm paying a grand total of about $600 for something that is roughly equivalent to Excellent tier you have in the guide. I'm very excited to put this thing together in a few days.

Oh, thought I'd mention as well that the ASRock Extreme 4 Gen 3 is out now too, that's something you can update in the guide. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157265

>>21796991
>I do need suggestions/comments/criticism

Honestly, at this point what is there really to do? People are going to have differences in opinion but I think after the countless hours of debating the guide is just fine. You can always update it as future hardware comes out and prices are changed, but as for glaring inaccuracies I don't think you're going to find them.

Good job though falcon. Also, ever venture over to /r/buildapc?

>>21797085
It has been out for quite a while. I prefer the high-end Asus and Gigabyte boards, though.

>>21797084

crossfire reviews are already out.

>>21797111

link?

>>21797096
I joined their steam group, heh. I sometimes go and read the posts, but I do not post anything myself.

>>21797109
Have you ever posted your own build specs before?

>>21797154
hey Falcon, why don't you ever post your desktop?

>>21797151

its the first link in google when you search 7970 crossfire review.

>>21797177
>>21797171
I have posted both before.

go die

Your guide is for poorfags and therefore shit.

I was the person that originally suggested the celeron G530 in some mac hate thread, and Im quite happy it is in now.

One thing is, suggesting the G620 seems silly, since the celerons are new, while the pentiums are a bit older. Basically the G620 has 3% gains and 20 dollars extra. Here is proof:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-g540-g440_6.html#sect0

Another thing is I don't understand what is wrong with the 55 dollar H61 mobo's. The 2 by Biostar or Gigabyte. Honestly I don't see a single feature a budget user could possibly need, though I do see the difference in money.

you make me sick falcon, I thought you would fuck off last year but I see you're still the same faggot as before.

>>21797199
i must have missed them.

>>21797241
What the fuck is your problem?

Thanks Falcon, helpful guide

>>21797257
you forgot your trip there, boyo.

>>21797203
>>21797212
>>21797241
same-madfag

>>21797295
I don't know who the fuck those other two are, but they seem to be new tripfags.

>>21797222
The CPU is an alternative, the next logical step up.

But you have a point with the $50 Gigabyte mobo. I will add that. Thanks!

>>21797222
I meant 50 dollar mobos*

To give you more information to debate me on, I am assuming you want users to get motherboards with USB 3.0 and SATA 6 gb/s.

I fail to see the purpose of SATA 6 GB/s without an SSD, and I don't understand who would get an SSD at that budget for GAEMS.

I have never used my USB 3.0 ports. EVER. Point made. There are very little devices that can use USB 3.0

>>21797341
Just that the step up seems rather illogical. IMO include the celeron G530 and G540 as alternatives, since not all retailers carry both and the only significant performance bump comes by stepping up to G850.

>Q4 2011
Not using asrock extreme 3 gen3 and extreme 4 gen 3 in your guide.

stop that.

>overkill doesn't use socket 2011

Falcon, I am disappointed in you.

Falcon, let's see your battlestation. And speccy.

>>21797370
>I have never used my USB 3.0 ports. EVER.
But I have. The difference is huge.

The idea is not to be as miserly as possible. I want to choose mobos that do not cost a bomb, while still giving the user as much upgradability as possible.

I added this instead of the low-tier Asus: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128527

>>21797463
You can find it all here: http://s1002.photobucket.com/albums/af150/The_FalconO6/Misc/War%20Outpost%20and%20Intestines/

The old pic are my old PC.

>>21797341
Anyway, my last complaint is going to be including P67 and Z68 mobo's with G840/G850.
Granted I am cheap as fuck when it comes to motherboards, but honestly what would I need SSD caching or overclocking for with a processor that can't be OC'd and no hope for an SSD?

Well if it was up to me all MOBO's except 2500k and up would cost 50 dollars.

Either way, thanks for your guide, good job with updating it and I appreciate you considering my suggestions. The guide helped me insane amounts a while ago when I was only getting into computers.

>>21797483
Granted the difference is huge but I personally never see it, others certainly do. Perhaps include both and leave a footnote on it?

Good choice on the replacement, though if you read the feedback and look at the pictures you will note that the biostar has more favourably positioned SATA ports that do not get blocked by a 2 slot vidya card. Gigabyte does seem to be the better brand however so I am split.

Either way have a nice day bro. And what is the new picture of?

>>21797463
Falcons PC>>21797295

>>21797512
Face me in starcraft :D

>>21797516
the boards with more popular chipsets (P67/Z68) seem to be designed with a bit more quality, and will last longer. if I can pick one of those up for a decent price, i'd take it over an H61 board even if I didn't need the features.
just saiyan.

I'd really recommend more ram, at least for the top tiers.

8GB is fine if you're on a budget, but you can make a case pretty easily for 12 or 16GB at the top end, even without shit like ramdisks. It's so damn cheap now that it's difficult to see why you wouldn't spring for it.

>>21797516
>honestly what would I need SSD caching or overclocking for with a processor that can't be OC'd and no hope for an SSD?
The P67/Z68 mobos offer more than just OCing/SSD cache. You have to consider the full set of features as well. When you can get these mobos for very cheap ($90-$100), then you should get them. Besides the better build quality, power management, extra heatsinks, USB 3.0/SATA III, etc, it leaves plenty of room for upgrading later on.

It used to be that you could not get these feature on 1155 mobos without spending quite a lot, but they have come down in price. You are not overpaying.

>>21797576
I will add more 8GB as a possibility in the middle tiers.

What race do you main in SC2? What's your rank?

>>21797212
How many joules did you burn just to generate such a lame joke of a trip?`

>>21797614
>>21797553
I just play it casually. I finished the campaign, and played... 1 multiplayer game so far. Waiting for a better graphics card and better internet.

>>21797576
Full retard.
>>21797567
I don't remember the last time I saw a shitty prebuilt mobo break. Actually I never did. By the time a mobo stops lasting longer you would already need to upgrade the CPU, etc.
>>21797577
If you say so. Maybe you are right. I will continue to be a cheapass myself, but the general public that will be getting the mobo's should probably get good ones regardless of whether or not they will use them just in case they will. Also I just realized your point on upgrading and it is certainly a good point.
>>21797599
Please don't do it Falcon. All the new uneducated people that make up the biggest portion of the users of your guide will get 32 GB because the ALIENWAAER adds will have them convinced MOAR RAM = faster. Don't do it Falcon.

>>21797636
shitty prebuilt mobos don't upgrade too nicely either. they're not exactly durable, and I've had quite a few experiences where they don't make it through.

>>21797636


But more than 8GB of ram actually is useful, especially if you're going to be blowing money on top-of-the-line hardware everywhere else. Not everybody uses their machine to play console ports.

If you run lots of tabs, one or more media programs, and a game, you'll bump up against that 8GB pretty quickly. Throw in a virtual machine or something else memory-intensive, and suddenly you really don't have enough ram.

It's cheap. There's no reason not to get more of it, especially at a price point where you're distinguishing between the 6970 and the 6950.

>>21797636
>Please don't do it Falcon.
I am not going to do anything stupid.

This is what the guide look like, right now. In the "Good" or "Very Good", I added the 8GB as a possibility, without removing 8GB.

>>21797734
>without removing 8GB.
4GB.

Someone in the world hates me. After I made this thread, I got this head-splitting headache.

Why recommend 2GB of RAM at all, when 4GB is mere pennies more?

>>21797734
>I am not going to do anything stupid.
Bring in the 90 degree overclock daily reminder.

Besides that the other guy asked you to include 16 Gigs which is full retard.
>>21797759
Because the whole lowest tear is less than mere pennies.

>>21797759
If the buyer is on a tight budget, he can just get 2GB now and stick in more ram later. Getting one stick of 2GB now and popping in an identical stick of 2GB RAM later is more or less the same thing as getting 2 x 2GB for 4GB, right?

>>21797783
True.

But it's $6 price difference. Out of $300+. I don't think Falcon's right here.

>>21797759
It is the destitute tier. That is when every penny counts.

>>21797802

Fuck you're retarded.

Why have more than one tier, oh Falcon? All this needs is a 2500k/560Ti/CM690II and you know it

add a poptart category

G840 is at its EOL. G850 is avalable at the same price. At least on my european sites..

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5216/intel-discontinuing-some-clarkdale-lynnfield-and-sandy-bridge-des
ktop-cpus

>>21797861
Cannot do that on a ~$300 budget!

>>21797816
It's a guide cunt, not the be all and end all. If the person reading it thinks they can afford the extra cash to get more ram, they will do so.

The guide is merely a baseline so you can select a price point and say "ah, I can get these parts for this price. I have more than enough so I will upgrade/I don't have enough so I'll reduce some parts".

It assumes at least a modicum of intelligence from the reader.

>>21797802
i honestly dont know why you still do this.

over the last two years or so, i have seen you go from praised good do er, to hated villian, and you actually have not changed.

you put a bunch of effort into helping people, and you have pretty much been shit on for the last year solid by a bunch of know it all 14 year olds.

how is it you manage to still keep your head up and help?

>>21797535

>>21797874
You could try, or stop having $300 and start having $800

falcon, change the title to "PC Buying Guide"

>>21797872
Thanks for the link. I read something similar already. But the G620 and G840 are still available for sale, even though they are EOLed by Intel. Once they are no longer available anywhere, I will take them out.

>>21797890
Heh, how can a person go through life if they do not have an upbeat and positive attitude?

Yeah, I get a lot of flak sometimes, but that is to be expected. One does not hope for flowers and cookies when one goes to 4chan, right?

>>21797891
That PC served me excellently for nearly 5 years. It is still going strong: My brother's PC broke down, and I gave it to him until he buys himself a new one.

>>21796622
>Not changing HDD prices
why

>>21797934
right, and i asked you that same question about 6 months ago and your answer was similar.

i just remember a time that it seemed that everyone took this thread as an opportunity to actually help you to categorize the chart, so that there were not squabbles. not bash you for not picking the components that they feel are the best (babbys first computer parts)

has it not seemed like a very quick degradation over the past year?

>>21797964
Because HDD prices have not changed.

>>21797975
I guess the adage is true: Familiarity breeds contempt.

>>21797990
>because hdd prices have not changed
The flood?

Hey Falcon this is the first time I've seen you post during my rare visits here.

I just want to say thanks for helping me build my PC, looking for parts and stuff was killing me until I had some guidance on price/performance etc.

>>21798006
Previous prices: ~$40 for 500GB, $60 for 1TB
Current prices: ~$90 for 500GB, $140 for 1TB.

>>21798018
I say that's a change

>>21798066
I concur.

>>21798018

Hi Falcon,
6950 or 560TI?

also, let's say i want to build a pc in the near future, should i wait till the next generation of Intel is out or is it save to get a i5 2500k for now?

>>21798142
6950 owner here. Since the cards perform pretty much the same, I'd say get the 560TI so you can profit from PhysX

>>21798142
Asking the 6950 vs 560 Ti question is at this point, like asking Coke vs Pepsi?

Ivy won't launch until mid-next year. If you can wait 6 months, then sure do it.

>>21798142

Do you like saving a few bones on power bills? Aside from potentially higher OC's, that about all ivy bridge is adding.

For graphics cards, something something 2gb sapphire (?) unlocked to 6970.

>>21798142
If buying from newegg, I personally would prefer the 560 Ti at $210 over the 6950 for $240, purely for the price difference. If these prices do not apply to you, then get whichever is cheaper and has the better HSF.

i5 2500K is excellent. IB is expected to be released soon (maybe 3 or 4 months? I am not sure), but it is a die shrink, so it is not really worth the ~3-4 month wait, as SB is excellent as it is.

>>21798167

ok, thanks.

>>21798167
Almost no games utilize PhysX. Using that as a selling point is a nonstarter.

>>21797622
12 hours at 100% load, go calculate it yourself.

General question: I build my PC in 2008, and it's time for an upgrade. I have the ati HD 4850 right now. It's shitty as fuck. The graphics are okay, but no one mentioned how loud and hot this card runs. This GPU can overheat and die on WoW and killing floor, played on max at 1920x1200.

So for this whole 6950 vs 560 Ti thing, besides price what about the heat and noise each one produces? Between amd and nvidia, which one (if any) is known for making hotter and louder cards?

>>21798192
>>21798175
>>21798174
>>21798167

thank you based anons.

>>21798240
Well, like you mentioned, AMD used to run hot in the 4k gen, and first gen Fermi (400 series) also ran hot. Right now, the 6000 series and 500 series are about even in terms of thermal numbers.

The thing about the noise is totally determined by each OEM.

Everyone uses different cooling solutions. You have to find out which is the quietest.

>>21798240
Take a look: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7970/26.html

The difference in power consumption is ~20-30W in favour of the 6950. But since the power consumption is not high (for the performance), and you can get both of them with nice HSFs, the difference in temps/noise will be negligible, or non-existent.

>>21798240

Have you cleaned and dusted your card properly in the 3 years you've owned it? Redone the thermal paste?

Another thing to ask would be how is the airflow in your case is.

The 6950 is 250W TDP, the 560 Ti is only 170W.

On the other hand, we do joke about nvidia causing housefires.

Might as well ask here;
ASUS Maximus IV GENE-Z/GEN3 or ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 ?
Going to be using a i5 2500k and gtx 560 in sli.
Thinking of getting Gene because of the pci 3.0..

>>21798294

5950 is *200W, sorry.

>>21798307

6950*

Sometimes ya just can't get anything right.

>>21798305
They both have PCIe 3.0

And PCIe 3.0 has been proven to have no effect on gaming:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/49646-amd-radeon-hd-7970-3gb-review-21
.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5264/sandy-bridge-e-x79-pcie-30-it-works

Get the Asus Z68-V for $170.

>>21798305
Maximus branding is just used to rip off "hardcore gamers". Disregard it.

I bought a GEN3 P8Z68-V and I regret buying it after seeing the benchmarks saying that 3.0 is useless.

I would too suggest you get a 'regular' P8Z68-V or a "PRO" version if you want to feel like you're getting top end.

>>21798294

are you implying they don't?

>>21798328
>>21798359
Thanks for clearing that up for me.

>>21798280
>>21798286
Thanks guys, totally appreciate it!

>>21798294
Yeah I just took the heatsink off the GPU and blew out all the dust. It's a little better now, but it still stutters on killing floor, which has pretty shitty graphics (awesome game though).

I never redid the thermal paste. Is it pretty well known that you have to? My 2008 build was my first so yeah, I'm still kinda new.

Another random question, if a /g/ent would care to answer: Does anyone know the quietest modern case? I bought an antec solo because it looks basic and was pretty good at reducing the noise to a whisper level. I'm worried that modern GPUs wouldn't fit in it. Is there a modern equivalent?

>>21798384
link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129018

I am sorry guys, but my headache went from really bad, to "I cannot think"

I am going to go home and take a nap. I will check this thread later on, so please post any and all suggestions/criticism/comments. Even if the thread 404's, I can check the archives.

Ciao!

>>21798420
Have a good one bro.
I think we are done here.

>>21798420
Enjoy your brain tumor.

>>21798420
Take care man, thanks for the work.

>>21798439
I LOLD SO FUCKING DEAR LORD HOLY LMFAO.

>>21798439
XDDDD OH GOD LULZ U SO HILARIUS XP LOL

Should i build a new pc now or wait till christmas is over?

will prices drop after christmas or go back to "normal" if they were reduced. (don't know if they were)

>>21798384
I have the same case and It can only fit cards up to 10.75 inches in length. Some 6950 models will not fit.

There is no such thing as a "quiet" case. A case will always be as loud as it's components and fans are.

If you want a quiet computer, get a quiet PSU (Gold rated), aftermarket heat sink, quiet system fans, and a GPU with a quiet fan.

I recommend a 500R or 650D. Corsair makes very good cases.

>>21798478
Thanks anon!

>>21798477
There aren't any major sales going on right now. There won't be a drastic price increase because there isn't a drastic sale to begin with. CPUs almost never go on sale. Hard drives are selling 2005 prices. Video cards will only drop in price once the new gen gets here. Cases, PSUs, and memory are the only possible items that might be slightly discounted right now.

if you need a computer go for it, if you can wait, you might as well do it. Kepler and Ivy will release mid-year.

Falcon I just want to say that your guide has been very helpful for my first build.

The one thing I am not sure about at this stage is the psu. Here is what I was thinking of getting, if of course you can spare a few minutes: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_995&products_id=15349

I'm buying a Gladiator 600 which has ok cable management, so do you think I could get away with a non-modular? I'm really just trying to save money where I can here. This'll be powering a 2500K and MSi hd 6850.

To make the question most simple:

Will i get more FPS when having a Ivy Bridge CPU instead of a Sandy Bridge?

Just read shit about Ivy Bridge and it's all about bragging how they extended functions nobody uses.

>>21798384

Not sure if it's totally necessary, but paste is generally a good idea. Clean the old stuff off with isopropyl alcohol first.

I have a Sonata Plus 550 which looks more or less identical to that one. If you turn down the back fan, it's pretty good for noise. Generally, the graphics card will be the noisiest thing in the box, so a non-reference board with less noise would be a consideration.

Recently I added some 92mm intake fans, and the grill-on-the-side design is not the best for noise (the dust filter is awful, so that had to go). The extra fans take roughly 6 degrees off my gpu under full load. If you're getting a high end card that extra ventialtion might be a consideration to push a little more air through.

All of the cases in that family are top mounted PSU which is kind of outdated these days, not sure what would be a good replacement.

As for graphics cards, make sure to find out if what you're ordering will fit. In particular the 59xx and 69xx are long as fuck boards. If you move HDDs around I think you can fit 10" or so, give it a measure. Short of that, take some cutters to the HDD bay.

>>21796991
>Suggest a cat.

>>21798634

>>21798650

>>21798589
Ivy will not make a difference in virtually every game. Almost all games are bottlenecked by graphics cards. The only exception that comes to mind right now is StarCraft II. Even then, a 2500k maxes it out (60 Fps@1080).

>>21798687

wouldn't starcraft2 even run on a toaster?

>>21798589

>Will i get more FPS when having a Ivy Bridge CPU instead of a Sandy Bridge?

Computing performance is expected to increase by aproximately 15%.

Game framerates almost always depend more on GPU performance. A Sandy Bridge CPU won't bottleneck you system for some time.

So upgrading won't increase your framerates. If your building a new system however you might aswell buy Ivy Bridge since prices are expected to be similar to SB.

The Asgard II is outdated and isn't even sold anymore.

Also,
>No NZXT Phantom

>>21798240
overall they are about the same, but really neither of them make models that would be a complete fuck up unless you don't have the proper case for it. I even had my 480 which is supposed to be the hottest of the hottest in a case from 2000 with 5 80mm fans that never had a problem and i never let dust build up on it.

560 ti vs 6950.... 6950 has the slight edge in performance, if the drivers for the game work on equal ground. Nvidia in general from my experience has had better and more frequent driver updates. Neither are bad cards and neither have any specific problems with heat or loads of power draw, etc. I have 2 560 ti 's evga brand stock heatsinks factory oc to 900mhz right now with just stock fan profiles. Right now they are idling at... 57c and get up to about 70something Celsius during lots of gaming. Which is normal for any video card in that range of performance.

>>21798768

Well i guess then i'll just wait some months more until i build something new.

Currently having a 400$ pc from 5 years ago (toaster) but it runs Dungeon Defenders and other minor games, so i'm fine.
I'll make sure i get a new one for D3/Gw2.

>>21798793

My HD4670 never goes over 40° during gaming. Having a 70° card blowing air into your room must be fucking comfy.

i want to follow your Outstanding build but I don't have the money

>>21798240
Fuck, I've got a HD 4890 and it's the loudest, hottest piece of shit I've ever encountered. And not only does it rev the fan up every time I open a game, it also has a whining capacitor. It's awful. I'm waiting for the new AMD card to affect the market before I buy a new one though.

>>21798868
My lovely HD 4850 idles at 80C, at load it goes up to 90, somtimes 100. Occasionally it goes up to 125C, then shuts itself down to prevent it from dying. Awesome.

>>21798868
You have a low performance card, theres no point comparing it to 2 mid/high tier cards like mine. Also it really doesn't matter actually having 2 friends in the room raises the ambient temperature more then any video card part I put in my computer. Right now I don't have the fan on and its about 74f in the house, when my friends come over in my relatively small room we always have to turn on the fan. It's a non factor as far as my comfort is concerned.

>>21798885
Yup, I know exactly what you're talking about. That's why I'm asking about nvidia vs amd for things like sound and heat, not just graphics. I told myself I'd never buy anther ATI/amd after the HD 4850, but I see now that's kind of stupid, and maybe things have flipflopped between amd and nvidia as they usually do.

I'm hesitant to ask this but...right now who's winning, ATI or nvidia? No fanboy/viral shit please, I'm not a fanboy of either and I just go with who's winning at any given moment. Or does it just vary price range to price range?

>>21798885
That's strange. My Powercolor 4890 served me faithfully for two years. Quietly and never got too hot.

>>21798941
I have a stock cooled Sapphire one, idles at 55c and goes to 80 or so.

>>21798900
png for maximum quality. And yes, I do use itunes, winamp, and foobar, sometimes all three at the same time. Deal with it.

>>21798932

nvidia, both on cpu and gpu market.

amd cpus will die soon anyway because they can't compete anymore, nvidia will sell more because many people think if you buy amd you need ATi and if you buy intel you need nVidia.

>>21796991

>>21798982

>nvidia will sell more because many people think if you buy amd you need ATi and if you buy intel you need nVidia.

No, they won't. Nobody who can build their own is that stupid.

Fuck, why does the "Destitute build" cost a whopping 300$? Is it really the cheapest PC you can buy? I was thinking of building the cheapest PC I can get just for kicks, but it seems like that's not possible.

>>21799181
hard drive prices have gone up since that flood in some gook land.

>>21799181
You can buy cheaper, but this is the lowest you should go. The $300 build can still play many games, and is an acceptable PC for non-power-users.

Thanks to all the /g/entlemen who helped bump this thread.

You should put a christmas hat on the dota logo

>>21799380
Heh, that is an idea.

Ok, uploaded to photobucket.

If anyone has a DotA 2 invite or coupon, you can me very happy if you send it to me. My id is GentleInsanity.

>>21800056
Hey Falcon, Im curious, what programming languages do you know?

>>21800083
C, C++, C#, Objective C, Java, ActionScript 3.0

The standard stuff.

>>21800118
And Assembly too, I guess, though I have not actually used it since university.

>>21800056
>GentleInsanity
so deep
the ladies must love you

>>21800133
>Assembly
I didnt know you were a Wizard.

How much of that stuff did you learn in Eng and which was self taught?

>>21800150
C, C++, Java and Assembly I learned in university. Everything else, I learned at work, hands-on.

What I dislike about this guide is that it seems to be 100% focused on gaming, but nearly everyone uses the computer for other stuff too and should choose components that reflects that.

F.ex. you only recommend SSD's starting at $1000. If I were to get a $600 PC today, I'd no doubt get an SSD with it. I'd pick a 120GB SSD instead of an 1TB HDD if I had to make the choice. Only a 120GB SSD in a $1500 PC is ridiculous, let alone a $2500 one.
Also, you don't recommend the Fractal R3 case, even though the sound-proofing makes it superior to pretty much any other case IMO. Once you get a silent PC you'll never go back.

Also the HD7970. You say it's too expensive, but remember the power you'll save vs dual cards, saving at least 50 dollars on the PSU, not to mention the power bills in the years to come. 150 extra watts powered on 12 hours a day is like $80-100 a year. It's also MUCH quieter and colder than dual cards.

>>21800783
It is impossible to have multiple lists, each focused on something or the other. I would have to make a list exclusive focused on work, one for HTPCs, and third for gaming, etc. But a gaming PC can be used for everything else. I specifically point out that these builds are gaming oriented, and that if you do not game, you can choose a lesser GPU.

I also mention the Fractal R2 and R3 in the case sections.

Despite the popularity amongst enthusiasts, and the undeniable speed of SSDs, one must still be practical. An SSD is not necessary, and it is still a luxury item for most people. One day, when the prices go down, then it will be different.

As for the 7970, I need only say this: Performance/price.

Can't wait for new video cards. The 7970 is already so promising.

>adding an Nvidia EOL card while removing AMD EOL products

Enjoy burning in hell, you filthy sand nigger.