nothing on NBC is good so idc

I hope every SOPA supporter gets eye cancer.

It's a great thing that I don't live in the US.

In Aus the high court recently ruled that ISP's have no responsibility for the action of their clients, something which the film lobby and ACTA don't agree with.

>businesses acting in their own interests
I'm not in the least bit surprised. I've never bought anything of theirs anyway.

>>21342082

They want white race to disappear or something. Nobody pirates their eugenic stuff, they just want to obliterate good stuff.

I don't watch TV anyway

community is the only good thing to come from nbc in years and they're canceling it so they can go away forever and will not be missed

>>21342082
>thoughts?

Yeah, I've got one... how about NBC goes and fucks itself with a rake, I already pay over $70 a month for HD cable (not including internets) so when I fucking miss a show that I've already paid for the 'priviledge' to watch you can bet your ass that I'm gonna download that shit and watch it. Fuck those greedy cocksuckers.

>>21342125
So iiNet won the case?

>>21342140

>I don't watch TV anyway

That's not the point you moron.

Do you use the Internet at all? DERP

When are they going to fucking realize that once something like content pirating is out of the proverbial bag that nothing they can possibly do will ever stop it. I mean shit it's free fucking content without the ads. Why wouldn't people want this?

>>21342216
What I was trying to say is if they went through with it nothing of value would be lost.

is this the channel with Keith olbermen

>>21342161
They want you to pay an extra 10 bucks a month to DVR those shows.

How does that even make sense. I'm basically using a VCR. And to do that they want me to pay THEM 10 bucks more?

>>21342082
>nbc
>shitty station that has a bunch of dykes and niggers giving us pro-obama candy coated news and entertainment

lol the jews from every industry are really desperate to censor the internet, i wonder why?

>Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

>Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

>Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

>Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

>Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

>Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

>Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

>Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

>>21342201
So far.
They're trying to appeal the case but it won't go through, they've found in favour of iiNet in basically every level of court.

However, a group of 5 ISPs including Telstra, Internode and iiNet will be implementing a voluntary copyright infringement notice system, similar to what a DMCA notice is.
But they won't disconnect users, they'll pass on the IP address and other evidence to the film industry lawyers.

>>21342294
Jews gonna Jew

>>21342261
I pay the extra $10 a month for dvr, but I see where they are coming from. You can't just pirate a show off basic cable, and think it's okay. I agree this should be a felony, even if you pay for cable and dvr. The commercials are what pay to keep these shows on the air, and if your not watching the commercials and pirating your television you paid the right to view, your a criminal, and a felon.

>only thing I watch on NBC is Sunday Night Football
>might affect the NFL's decision in pro-SOPA

GOD DAMMIT

>>21342327
go look up "Hollywood Accounting" and tell me why I should give those greedy assholes any more money.

Guys, NBC(/Universal) is owned by Comcast.

Fucking Comcast.
Fucking media corps and copyright trolls.

>>21342374
these are tough times, we all need to make sacrafices, except the 1% because they are the job creators.

>jews
>jewing
REALLY? YOU DON'T SAY?

>>21342327
>The commercials are what pay to keep these shows on the air

really? I thought it was the 50-100 dollars everyone pays per month for cable/satellite

The way I see it, pay for it with commercials, and don't charge us, or pay for it with our money, and don't give us commercials, but if that happened companies would stop racking up ridiculous amounts of money, and they don't want that to happen.

>>21343615
cable/satellite tv didnt always have commercials, when jews took over they added them because the monopoly created by government allowed them to

>Theft

They mean "theft".

>Kill jobs

People think copying IP means lost sales? If I can't download a show and watch it without commercial, I'm not going to watch it at all.

>>21343615
No, you pay for the connection.
Only subscriber channels actually cost money.

>>21343644
and yet they keep jacking up the price for total garbage (consult /tv/ about this). they just keep remixing the same garbage over and over...

>>21342327
Do you know what a felony entails?

Felons lose some of their rights, namely voting rights and the right to bear arms.

You just said that you believe that anyone who isn't supporting a TV channel by adding one to a "people who saw this commercial" counter deserves a massive fine, jail time, and two fewer rights, not to mention a slimmer chance of getting a new job.

>>21343692
They deserve it.

Corporations are the life blood of America, and media the guiding force of our culture.

>>21343716
>Corporations are the life blood of America

I doubt the current situation is hurting a comcast owned giant like NBC.

>Media the guiding force of our culture

I'm pretty sure we can live without a string of superbowl commercials drilling a false idea of manhood into an impressionable kid's head.

I don't see why companies like TV networks hate piracy so much.

>hear about new show
>grab an episode from some illegitimate source
>become a fan
>start watching it on TV every week, driving up views

If you're promoting a passive method of consumption like TV, or a stage show, or something similar, it could be a great idea to let people view your content easily. It's a GOOD thing for networks.

Other than this case, people want on-demand services. If you don't offer them, piracy will always prevail – and no law can stop it, as technology moves faster than law can ever hope too. If you want to beat pirates here, give people a really great on-demand network for your stuff, where they can watch all of your shows instantly in HD, and they'll gladly sit through a few advertisements. It's much more convenient than piracy, and it'll still drive people back to your TV network to watch fresh episodes (and they'll often end up staying to watch another show).

The heavy-handed, "sue everyone!" approach may be legally justified, but it's immoral and it's bad business. The music industry continues to learn this the hard way – if the TV networks had any sense, they'd figure that out rather than bumbling around trying to retain an old business model rather than adapting.

Still doing to download the Office, bitches.

Get at me.

Don't live in America, problem solved.

>>21343998

seconded

>That feel when I pirate games, movies and even TV shows. But I still watch television and I get NBC so when they air something I want to watch I always either watch it live or tape it like its 1995 (yeah I still use VCRs. Deal with it).

WTF. NBC is basically the only company involved in the creation of distribution of content that SHOULD NOT be mad at me.

They can all go fuck themselves. I've never been to the movies the past 10 years, and I've even said no to free offers of going to the movies.
I don't have any TV, and will never give them another dime either.
Will never buy another cd, dvd, o bluray again.

And even if they succeed destoying the internet so I can't watch my weekly pirated animu, then screw them. My stance won't change even then.

>>21344383
Winston Smith, it is you who is insane.

I am here to make you sane

>>21343850
aren't you dead?

>>21344444
>believing that thread
seriously?

>>21344459
Not him, but damn I knew it was too good to be true.

>>21344489
iwanttobelive.jpg

That's fine. I won't watch NBC anymore. Fuck them. I won't be buying Intel or Apple, too, since they're cockwhores for the BSA.

NBC, yea, that channel that i never watch.

>>21344444
Ｔｈｅ ｒｅｐｏｒｔｓ ｏｆ ｍｙ ｄｅａｔｈ ａｒｅ ｇｒｅａｔｌｙ ｅｘａｇｇｅｒａｔｅｄ

dam I hate USA corporations. no, I hate all Corporations & the USA Government, this stop online piracy act is a fucking joke, it will affect the internet on a global scale & you just know it'll get passed because big fucking business wants it something terrible & governments everywhere love a bit of censorship.
Fuck off sopa, go fuck yourself sopa.

>>21344682

>>21342082

>>21344682
i miss the REAL macfag

not this fake that stole his trip

>>21344682
disregard that i suck cocks

>>21344750
Someone got it!

>>21344772
Maybe I'm not the real MacFag, maybe I'm an agent of the master. Or maybe, I'm iGhost MacFag.

Or maybe there never was a MacFag. Maybe it's all a lie.

Tell me, Anonymous, will I dream?

>>21344832
of course Macfag all sentient beings dre...

no

>>21344832
you aren't the real macfag, but you're still a fag regardless

>>21344772
>>21344773
>>21344832
>>21344842
>>21344858

I AM the real MacFag. Stop faking be me, and stop crying my death. The reports are greatly exaggerated.

>>21344858
If I'm not the real MacFag, how do you explain this 256GB SSD full of amazingly great Steve Jobs reaction images?

But anyway; I am the real MacFag. Go search my trip on that Gentoomen archive or something.

Polite sage, as I feel like kind of a jerk for dragging an interesting thread off-topic. Lovely that the only on-topic post I made (>>21343850) was ignored, too. Maybe you Anonymouæ have a point.

>>21344936
wow you're british and you can't even put a sentence together... christ, you're fucking stupid

>>21344944

Nigga we all know your trip was compromised by your buddy.

I don't understand why I can't torrent my videos. I pay for my cable subscription so they still get some money. Fuck off NBC and MPAA. Once I buy it I own it and I can copy it as much as I wan't.

>>21344944
so much hurr durr in this post of faggotry
go shit up some android threads
>macfag doesn't own a mac

>>21344968
Didn't everyone in that thread on Friday point out that 𝙼𝚘𝚗𝚘𝚜𝚙𝚊𝚌𝚎 was obviously me?

>>21344957
Wow, you're apparently not British, and can't even read tripcodes.

>>21344944

>>21345015
>responding to your own post

...but...OWS taught me that unions were good

>>21345028
>2011
>cannot read tripcodes

>>21342082
well done pirates, you've managed to ruin the internet for everyone else. I can't blame NBC, combined with the current economic crash a lot of media companies are at a real risk of going under

>>21344975
I can understand their position to a point, as they do own the content. But as I said earlier in the thread, a company relying on passive consumption like a TV network would be best to turn a blind eye to it – it's almost a form of unpaid viral marketing.

If you see a great NBC show illegitimately, there's a very good chance you'll end up watching it (and likely other shows) on TV.

Don't quote me on it, but I remember hearing that NBC aren't great with on-demand stuff. If they're not going to offer a compelling alternative, they're going to end up like the music industry, spending a small fortune suing potential customers. If NBC offered all their shows online, in HD, people would watch them and almost nobody would pirate them. A legal option would almost definitely be easier to use and more convenient, hence people wouldn't even mind putting up with some advertising.

It's exactly the same as with the music industry: because it's so easy to buy a song from iTunes or Amazon now, far fewer people pirate music. With video content often involving more effort or technical skill to pirate, people would jump all over a good, legal on-demand service.

>>21345071
I thought you died

>>21345096
I live inside of every single iPhone, iPod and Macbook Pro. Amen.

>Dr. McFahg's glorious return
>Insightful, on-topic post
>Thread derailed into ZOMG MACFAGS BACK ECKSDEE

No, Anonymous, you are the shitposters.

>>21345157


shh baby, shh

>>21345090
>a lot of media companies are at a real risk of going under
That's not true. Besides, if piracy is such a problem for them, maybe they should be looking at ways to monitize it or use it to their benefit.

Holding on to old ways of doing business and litigating to maintain your position is not a business plan – it's practically an admission of failure. If they need draconian baby-sitting to keep their shit together, they must be doing something wrong.

To make a really piss-poor analogy, and demonstrate why I'm on an imageboard rather than writing fiction:
Say I sold oranges from a stall. I used to leave bags of oranges sitting next to a wall, where I thought they were safe. One day, the wall was knocked down. People started walking past and taking them for free.

Surely I should just admit that things have changed and I need to move those orange bags, right? If NBC were giving the orders, they'd tell me the bags are great just where they are, and to spend all day on the phone with the police tracking down orange thieves – all the while, people are still taking the oranges.

NBC and their colleagues need to realise that the wall is gone now.

>>21345071
>>21345095
>>21345117
>>21345182
>2011
>being a roody-doo and a nigger

>>21345253
Says the /b/tard.

>>21345095

Same poster here you replied to.

This is exactly what has happened to me on Thursday nights. I work over night hours and no longer have time to torrent in the morning all of the shows. I end up watching BBT and Parks and Recs live on TV thursday night and download the rest of my shows on a torrent over the weekend. I also started watching Two and A half Men live on TV just because I don't feel like waiting 3 hours on my day off for the seed/leech ratio to get high enough to download at a respectable speed.

>>21345182
Jesus christ, never thought I'd agree with macfag. Well said, macfag.

So folks, what do you think they are going to blame once this gets put into effect and they realize that pirates are not their biggest problem but the quality of their own products?

>>21345090
It's easier to say, "piracy is killing our industry and people are starving", then, "because of multiple factors including, but not limited to, internet streaming, lack of interest, people blocking/skipping ads, increased competition, economical recession, etc. we don't see profits as high as we'd like to".

Businesses always clamor for a free market but one they can control completely. DIAF.

>>21344944
>Gentoomen archive
Stop that. Gentoomen is gone.
http://archive.installgentoo.net/g/

I hate getting redirects from there.

>>21345374
Gee, thanks very much.

>>21345345
That just proves the point! If only people like NBC would listen to their customers, especially people who are technical and do know how to pirate. We're exactly the sort of people they should be consulting with – when geeks adopt or push for something, the general public will follow (this is also why HD got somewhere, but 3D is dead in the water).

We aren't out to get NBC or their competitors – they're a company out to make money in return for providing entertaining or interesting content, and that's totally fair. But if they're going to go out of their way to make their content difficult to access, and a free-of-cost alternative exists, we're more than willing to screw them. A business relationship works both ways – if you want money for your services, you better make them worth it.

>>21346073
Oh, my bad. I have installgentoo bookmarked anyway (which disappeared during the DDoS – I was worried they were going to stay gone, it's handy to have).

If anyone is terribly interested:
http://archive.installgentoo.net/g/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=&search_username=&am
p;search_tripcode=%21%219HixxlQIM2g&search_media_hash=&search_del=dontcare&search_int=do
ntcare&search_ord=new

>>21346091
>A business relationship works both ways – if you want money for your services, you better make them worth it.

You've pretty much also hit the nail on the head as to why services iTunes and Bandcamp are selling shitloads of music at a time when piracy is easy and accessible. Clearly there's some lessons to be learned here.

>>21345182
Except you can take the oranges from your desk chair and all the oranges are still there.

>>21346091
>especially people who are technical and do know how to pirate

I hate to break it to you but pirating isn't mainly done by "technical" people but by "ZOMG you just download this program and it gets you free music!!11!!!1" people

>>21346152
Don't forget Steam.

People pay for convenience. It would be stranger if they went out of their own way to give someone money.

>>21342082
WOW! A company is going balls to the wall to protect their revenue! I feel like we're entering The Twilight Zone (TM)

lol nbc

>>21346152
>why services iTunes and Bandcamp are selling shitloads of music at a time when piracy is easy and accessible
That's absolutely it, although I'd give Amazon some credit too as they're doing pretty well. I hate to say it, but I do pirate most of my music. When I've occasionally dipped into iTunes, and it's shocking simple and it has everything you could think of. I even showed my older mother, who is far from great with computers, how to use it.

Given the varying quality, bigger files sizes, confusing codecs, etc., video is even more difficult to pirate. They really wouldn't have to try very hard to make something more intuitive than a public torrent tracker and a BitTorrent client, which, let's face it, is pretty convoluted and messy. If you're on /g/ you presumably can figure it all out, but even if it goes against your geekier tendencies, there's a part of you that would love to click a big button and just watch The Office while you crack open a beer.

>Clearly there's some lessons to be learned here.
I know I'm going to get torn to shreds for daring to post the following link (which I do with complete sincerity), but Steve Jobs wrote a piece about piracy, and said something fairly similar to us. It just popped into my head, and it's worth a read given that he was someone heavily involved with legal digital content distribution.

It focuses mainly on DRM and why it's a waste of everyone's time (a surprising sentiment from Mr App Store), but is still quite relevant:
http://www.apple.com/uk/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/

>>21346283
No one's surprised they're doing it. We'd be surprised if WE didn't protest it.

>>21346347
Y'know, I'm really starting to consider writing a big-ass letter to NBC and friends about this, with some of what I've said in this thread.

Pity it'd probably be ignored, but maybe it's worth a try just to see what the response would be.

Well guys i guess NBC really IS a [spoiler] Cyber Bully [/spoiler]

>>21346577
Better off writing your congress...person.

>>21342125
you still have censorship and blacklists, enjoy your hyprocracy

>>21342082
You do know it's M$NBC right?
It's partially owned by microslut.

>>21346397
What's your platform? "GIVE US ALL YOUR PRODUCTS (THEIR CONTENT) FOR FREE OR ELSE"?

>>21342128
if only they would wake up and see that this shit isn't in their best interest, and it's time for a new business model. I wonder what sort of outrageous claims they'll be making when business doesn't improve if this gets passed.

>>21343716
excellent/10

>>21344539
>our meters say you're not watching nbc on a regular basis
>nbc has many fine programs that everyone enjoys
>so it's impossible that you aren't watching any of our programs
>ergo if our meters say you're not watching then you must be pirating
>you can pay a settlement fee now, or we can sue you into bankruptcy

>>21346577
if it ends up well written and making valid points then post it as an open letter somewhere, with a guestbook or something so others can sign it as well. perhaps with enough views and signatures it would actually get somebodies attention

>>21346273
>Steam
I agree. Just check /v/ during the seasonal sales. They can't give Gabe their money fast enough.