>downsizing or cutting those studies in which less than 60% of graduates fail for two consecutive years to find work.

wut?

their fault for getting a psychology, political science, womens studies, degree and expecting it to be worth something

welp, say goodbye to China's art program

>>21307978
>Asian
>Art
LOLOL
>Implying that weaboo cartoons are art.

>copypasting directly from an article
>no input of your own
>just url to random no name blog article with no actual legitimate sources

NICETHINGS.JPG

Meanwhile in America, some college on tv advertised they have an "Exploratory" program for kids who don't know what they want to be.

If China improves health care, I welcome our new Chinky overlords.

NO CRITICAL THINKING IN CHINA

>>21308004
I don't even

>China actually does something right for a change that will improve jobs and the economy
>Meanwhile in America
>BAAAAAAAW WHY CANT I GET JOB???? LIBERAL ARTS IS A GOOD DEGREE!!!!!!!

>>21308028

Right
so you can't believe that some people haven't decided on a career path at 18, and think this is a sign of your country's failings

and you also think China's plan to cut academia for its own benefit and make their universities pure degree factories is a good thing

I think there is an 80% chance you have assburgers.

>>21308080
>Implying cutting out bullshit degrees that are useless in the industry is a bad thing
>Liberal arts/PolSci/womans studies student detected

>>21308120

Confirmed.

>>21307751
If over half of the people that graduated with those majors don't get a job within two years, they will cancel the major.

FoxconnWorkology is more important than, say, Computer Science, Engineering or Chemistry there? Shocking.

>>21308141
Makes good sense.

>>21308120
Except useless in China means "doesn't lead to working in a factory".

>>21308157
>he really thinks this
>Laughingwhores.jpg

China is on the right path imo.

Colleges should cut majors that don't contribute to a developing jobs market.

Point in fact, back east there's a college that has a multi-semester on 'StarCraft 2', where you basically play all day to get better.

>>21308151
So if there's a lull in software engineering or imbedded development positions, then CS and CE will be forever banished from a University. Gotcha.

>>21308165
Except, that's what the article points out; it's an export-oriented country, so hard sciences are not in any form of demand. Thus, they'll be eliminating such fields as they aren't very employable at the moment.

lol? what could go wrong?

>>21308188
Really starcraft 2? That's so sad.

>>21308188
>Colleges should cut majors that don't contribute to a developing jobs market.

Universities and Colleges are not job-training programs. That was never the point; for such activities, we have trade schools.

>>21308120
>poli sci
>useless
Yes, making 200K as a lobbyist or political adviser as a STARTING wage is bad.

Or maybe it isn't that easy down south?

>>21308209
The difference is that the government is paying for useless hipsters to get shitty degrees. If they want to fund it themselves then who cares?

>>21308209

Yet the single most complained about factor job creators this day in age have is that there is a lack of experience, thus a lower hiring rate.

Do your research first.

>>21308223
Does China pay for its student's educations regardless of what they do?

I guess I'm thinking more of NA, where you need to get a loan and you pay it off regardless of whether you got a related job or not.

>American education system has also come into question and many American college students are rethinking the value of their own majors. What if the U.S. government were to adopt China’s approach? According to the most recent U.S. census data, among the first majors to go: psychology, U.S. history and military technologies.

Life just got good.

>>21308221
>Implying it isnt practically impossible to get that kind of job with just a degree.
>its not what you know, its who you know

Fuck yeah. Chineses just shot themselves in the leg.

>mfw I graduated with a poli sci degree last year and make $12/hr working retail

fuck my life.. at least I don't live with my parents

>>21308226
You realize that "low experience" is about JOB experience, not educational experience, right?

As I said, TRADE SCHOOLS are for that purpose; on-site work and experience.

And internships/related for University degrees.

Also,

>entry-level desk support position for CS students
>5+ years industry-work experience in MS Office 2011 required

Globalization and the ability to just hire offshore (or use such a threat to raise requirements for pay and experience of prospective employees to ridiculous heights) are the main problems there.

>>21308281
Hey, that's better than at least half of the mouth breathers on /g/.

You should be happy that you have a job and your own place.

>>21308252
>impossible
You start out in government which is PISS EASY. Government internships are the easiest to get. Unless you've broken a law and been caught like a tard.

>who you know
You gain this through your junior work experience. If the people in your particular office aren't influential, then you talk directly to and get to know their contacts, and traverse said contact tree until you make some influential friends.

>>21308028
>If China improves health care
china is already very healthy tho, obesity below 5%.

>>21308287

So basically

>You want a job, go to trade school
>You want to waste money at the governments expense, go to College

My mind. If there was ever a time it would explode, it woul-

Wait what? China actually has people who go to college? I thought they were all too busy working in our american owned sweat shops to bring us murricans cheap goods.

>>21308245
>military technologies
LOLWUT

>implying DARPA and related aren't fucking DREAM job territory

>>21308188
>Colleges should
But they won't because they get money either way.

>>21308226
>this day in age
thats going in the diamond dozen list

>>21308079
Meanwhile in reality.
Liberal arts degree is whatever you want it to be.
What a boring world it would be if everyone was cultureless and only took degrees that 'lead directly to jobs', not because they enjoy the subjects, rather they feel they have to take that subject to succeed.

>>21308336
>DIME A DOZEN YOU FUCKING RETARD FDASFGSDFGADSGVADFS

basically what china is doing here is locking themselves in as a low end manufacturing based economy for the forseeable future

WINNING

this is seriously excellent news for the west

>>21308313
>government's expense
Howso?
You get the loan, you will pay it off whether you get a job or not or you will die in servitude and thus no longer be a burden on society.

Also, my large point is that the jobs you can get through University degrees - say, advanced mathematics or Comp Sci related positions (IT stuff should be part of trade schools) - no longer have a high chance of attaining a job because the corporate interests don't have to hire within their own/home country.

Blanket-cuts of programs is a terrible way to approach this that does nothing to address the core problem.

>>21308281
Why the fuck didn't you go back to the guaranteed job that you earned through your internship with your city and state/provincial governments?

Or at least the newspaper you did a practicum with. You DID do a bloody practicum at a hiring newspaper, right?

>>21308010
>Wall Street Journal
>random no name blog
Are you fucking retarded?

>>21308312
Mainland, sort of. Most people have medical defects resulting from the mass urbanization and horrendous pollution.

Most of the rural population has severe medical problems due to the government lying about their medical benefits en mass.

China is actually pretty fucked, on the whole. There's companies that sell clean air canisters and briefcases, specifically for rich people.

>>21308337
Macfag spotted. Wrong fucking board.

>>21308348
Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go.

Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

>>21308079
>>21308337
The point was that a Liberal Arts degree showed an employer that you're smart and can learn on your feet, think critically and solve problems in an efficient and prompt manner.

Both the degree itself and the actual demand for such skills have fallen by the wayside over the past decade and a half.

>>21308364

>he doesn't know governments abolish loans after a long enough time and absorb the debt into themselves

>laughinggirls.jpg

There are a dozen and a half other costs to government which are created by higher education which go to naught because they're squandered on useless shit.

You're also arguing towards degrees that actually yield results, and not some of the more useless ones available this day in age which are not helping a hindered job market.

>>21308337

I think you forget you're posting on
/g/ - Asperger's Support Group

the boring world you're musing about is asperger heaven on earth

>>21308401
I just laughed so hard.
You're a fuckwit.
I'm no macfag. I own no products by apple whatsoever.
Please, try again.

>>21308423
Only partially, and not always.
At least, not the most common loans in North America. Those persist, often unto your children as well.

>>21308406
0/10

>>21308423
>degrees that yield results
Except...they don't. Not really, anymore.

The point of LA degrees and related was already spelled out.

The flaw with both kinds are related to the huge problem that's been growing for some time. The answer is not to cut off one branch entirely.

>>21308423

>day in age

>he did it again

>>21308426
I know, I wasn't really expecting to convince anyone here, my rage just boiled over at the stupidity of some comments in this thread.

>>21308423
It's day _and_ age you fucking twit.

>>21308475
Go back to reddit faggot

>>21308488
Seems like you need to calm down son.

>>21308488
>using impact with an outline for a political image
>reddit
If anything, that's from Fark.

>>21308510
I don't think he was talking about the image.

>>21308510
I have considered all occupy faggotry reddit tier since it started.

>>21308544
Enjoy your corporate assraping!

You americans applauding this know its the liberal arts jobs that will be the last to get outsourced right?
especially after this decision from China

enjoy your competing with 1billion chinese and indian programmers in 10 years, while the writers, teachers, artists, public servants, marketers and linguists get to keep their high western wages

>>21308574
I am not from the US.

>>21308574
Do people honestly not know the difference between private property and public space?

>>21308601
>The sidewalk, not public...

>>21308575
No, the last job that will get outsourced will be trades. Why? because suburban people will allow a white plumber/electrician into their homes before they let a brown person in. Them brown people are up to no good!

>>21308616
>sidewalk of a store when the storeowner is more than happy to have them there
>sidewalk of a place where they are only camping to media attention like a bunch of treehuggers and harass people walking by

>>21308616
The sidewalk is clearly on private property. Sidewalks are not only for public property. In fact, I have a sidewalk that reaches all the way to my front door (kind of figured you would also)

>>21308337
Just because it's worth learning, doesn't mean it has to be via a degree. Invariably the best form of learning is direct from someone who does something the best. Only some thing need to be taught in universities.

>>21308397
>Most people have medical defects
gonna need a sauce on that

>>21308622

heh
wut
where do you live that the tradesmen are all white?

but yea, it will be done by americans long after the IT and a lot of science work has all moved to Asia
purely because its on site work, so has to be done by locals

>>21308666
>Invariably the best form of learning is direct from someone who does something the best

I went to one of the top universities in the world in my field
My lecturers were all noted academics and many were quite famous (in the field)

a lot of them were fucking awful teachers tho
1. really knowledgeable at what they do, but terrible at explaining it
2. don't give a fuck about students and feel like teaching is beneath them
3. had spent their whole life in academia and had no idea how the real world worked

some of course, we're incredible teachers
but its not 'invariable' that the best at doing are always the best at teaching

>>21308694
Canada, Also part of the reason that trades will be last is for some odd reason, everyone was told that "Trades are for morons, go to university and get a degree". So people did, and of course it turns out Engineering or medicine is hard, so they got women studies and history majors.

In 10 years, there will be a huge clamoring for trades persons, as all the current guys are old men who are worn out .

>>21308575
>writers
>Online bookstores and free books demolished their "elistist" status
>teachers
>high paying
>ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING YOU NIGGER
>artists
>only profitable artists these days are game developers and porn producers (inb4 3dpd)
>public servants
>UPS is going down the shitter, the police forces are constantly being downsized for prisons, implying there's any financial room at all for cops, firefighters, lolheathproviders, etc
>marketers
>Indians
>linguists
>being kicked out of military for being gay, Google translator is better than 90% of 2-4 year graduates

>>21308771

before anyone points out that I'm claiming I went to a good school but there's so many grammar problems in that post

I just re-read it and noticed already
time for bed for me, i think

politeness sage

>>21308790

its already happening in australia

A few of my high school friends did trades while the rest of us went to uni
those guys are all earning over $60k a year now, and in high demand everywhere

the government has even listen A LOT of trades as specialist skills needed, and will put qualified foreign people on the fast track to citizenship

this includes some pretty ridiculous trades
hair dressers, for example, get the fast ticket to citizenship
seriously

>>21308902
Wait till the baby boomers are forced into retirement soon, it'll only get worse (Unless your in a trade, in which case it'll get much better)

>>21308945

yea i agree
tho the worst industry for that in australia is Teaching
its estimated something like 40% of teachers will retire in the coming 10 years

teaching at the moment is already a decently paid job in australia (45k/yr starting)
but its about to become a gold mine

>>21308790
>so it turns out
That's not even the bad part.

The markets for CS and related fields that people were told to go into are now grossly overflooded with young and older experienced workers with a shortage of overall jobs.

Boomers essentially double-fucked everyone over.

>>21309046
Part of that is people got it in their heads that computers are the dream job of the future. Everyone forgot that computers don't build and repair shit on their own yet.

>>21308986
lol we should send our teachers to you. We have a huge unemployment rate in teaching, to the point where there is talk of getting kids to start school at age 2, just so these teachers have work.

>>21309185

are you the canadian?
because seriously, i think that'd be pretty popular here
dont be surprised if the aus gov't starts some minor advertising campaign to attract some of your teachers at some point

>>21309211
Yea i'm the Canadian, and good I'd like to see some of these people get jobs instead of forcing children who are not even potty trained into school. How are they suppose to cope with not being around mommy or daddy all day? They don't have the mental tools to deal with that kind of separation. My two and a half year old starts looking for me when i leave the room to use the bathroom.

>>21308575

you do realize that it's easier than ever to get a programming job these days, right?

the outsourcing fad for programming wound down about 5 years ago when everyone realized that, while you could pay a person in india 1/10th of the wage of an american, you'd get code that was completely unmaintainable, worked once and then broke

the demand for people who actually know what they're doing in front of a computer is higher than ever euroscum and your shitty countries still have yet to produce a platform for any device that lasted longer than 5 years