It has, the retards are just too retarded to accept it.

because Macs

how could you absolutely prove the nonexistence of a "higher power beyond our physical world"

Can only disprove the reasons there would need to be a god, and make him unnecessary.

because kierkegaard argued that reason cannot be applied to faith

>proved
>God

you must be new, welcome to life sir

>>20498480
You mean
>science
>proved

It's a Man Made idea. Just like the Boogy Man. Look at the whole idea of religion from the perspective of someone who has never seen Human society, IE an extraterrestrial. They would think the whole idea was fucking retarded.

>>20498423
this

atheists are the stupidest people, i swear

No point, christians would just say that it's the work of the Devil.

>>Science can explain god
>>Science cant explain how Gravity ties into the other physical laws of the universe (dont give me that elementary Newtonian shit I'm talking real physics here)
>>Science in limited

lol

>>20498524
This this this this this this this fucking this.
I always wanted an Atheist activist to come out and start speaking the words of common sense and speak revolution for Atheists. Such as, removal of in god we trust and all that other bull shit. But that person would be crucified as the antichrist within an hour..

>God exists outside your reasoning!
>We've advanced our reasoning far beyond what it was before!
>Too bad point still stands.

>>20498493

That's my point. I'm implying that you can't apply proof to the concept of God. It's an exercise in futility.

LOL STOPID ATHETITS

>>20498540
Science is Ever Expanding.
Religion. Forever at a stand still because the retards who wrote the fiction are fucking dead.

Because science is as man-made as religion is.

Cannot be proven or disproven.
/thread

>>20498575
The language and symbols used to identify the terms and particles yes. But the rules apply across the board.

Theists: Prove that God exists.
Atheists: Prove that God does not exist.

I think I'm somewhere in between as it's hella convenient to believe in gods and afterlife in situations where you're knee deep in shit and losing the drive to continue is worse than anything else.

>>20498423

Google Russel's Teapot

Stating that something could be real because you can't DISprove it's existence is stupid.

So why hasn't technology and science already proved retards that there's no Fairies?

>>20498606
Im a stone cold atheist, Because I dont believe in the word of the father of the father of the father of the father etc etc etc of the retard who told me the stories when i was two years old and tried to brainwash me into eating a cracker that was supposedly a person.

Because there is no logical way to prove there is no god. Any respectable theist acknowledges that their beliefs are arbitrary.

Just because there are birds in your neckbeard doesn't equate to god not existing, retard.

Religion is stupid
Back in the medieval times the church could have said "GAWD HAS TOLD'ETH US THAT THOU SHALL NAWT SLEEP AS IT IS DEVIL!!!1"

So evolutionists believe a point one trillionth the size of a proton (they used to think it was thousands, then hundreds, then dozens, of light years now nothing) was spinning and spinning until it exploded outward into everything.

The law of angular momentum debunks the big bang because in a frictionless environment, all fragments of a spinning object continue to spin in the same direction. We can observe and measure several planets and dozens of moons in our solar system spinning contrary to everything else. We also observe an entire galaxy (NGC4622) spinning backwards.

The problems with the big bang theory alone are numerous with questions such as "where did the matter come from?" and "where did the energy that powered it come from?" or "what created the laws that govern the universe?"

The big bang, like other evolutionary garbage is a sinking ship and in a desperate attempt to save it, these scientists that depend on grant money for it come up with wacky theories without a shred of empirical data to try to save it.

Good day and God bless.

>>20498777
that and people are stupid.

>go to heaven or hell
>become worm food

pick 1

Watching 4chan discuss religion is like watching creationists discuss evolution

>>20498824
the big bang and evolution are two unrelated things

Alright OP, I'll bite, what's this proof you speak of?

>>20498861
>I'll bite
You can't read, he didn't say there is a proof.

>>20498824

>newtonian mechanics
>in a non-newtonian, non-euclidean reality

Nope. >>>sci is that way ->

>>20498824
"Doing this is a SIN AND YOU WILL GO TO HELL BECAUSE OF IT!"
But what 'bout--
"LAWD!!! thats a sin too!!"
okay... can I
"NOOOOOO SINNNNNN!!!!!"
Wait how do you know these are all sins?
"The bible told us and the church confirmed it."

>>20498824

>without a shred of empirical data to try to save it

How's that religion workin' for ya?

>>20498877

Sorry, I guess I assumed >>20498373 and>>20498366 were samefag. Either way, I'd like to see some of this proof people say exists.

>>20498900

That has nothing to do with the religion but the people. Give a science book to a retard and he might interpret pudding is the fundamental building blocks of atoms, but that doesn't mean it's fact.

the conundrum of disproving the existence of a higher being that created the universe etc is that you cannot prove that it did either, it also further leads to the question of where did the higher being come from to begin with?

belief is just and excuse for "IDK deal with it"

It's an unfalsifiable claim, so you can't disprove it.

That's why it's up to the retards to prove that there is a god.

i blame rms spreading his jew propaganda

>>20498824
No, the the 'law of angular momentum' says nothing like that because there is no such law.

Conservation of momentum dictates that when a mass seperates into smaller masses, say from an explosion, and one mass goes flying off spinning in a certain way, the other masses must have angular momentums that sum up to the opposite of that mass.

I.e. you have a cannon ball on the ground (no momentum) and it explodes, one half goes east while spinning clockwise, the other half of equal mass MUST go west while spinning counter clockwise due to reactions forces; opposite momentums cancel out conservation of momentum holds.

>>20498959
does that mean the universe is symmetrical?

>the big bang and evolution are two unrelated things

Typical atheist ignorance. Evolution includes:

1. Cosmic evolution
2. Chemical evolution
3. Stellar and planetary evolution
4. Micro-evolution
5. Macro-evolution

1. Laws of physics debunks big bang
2. No star can fuse elements past iron, where did the rest come from?
3. No planet or star has ever been observed yet we see stars die fairly frequently
4. Micro-evolution is a poor name but creationists agree that variations occur, i.e. you can breed dogs and will always get big dogs or little dogs but always dogs.
5. Macro-evolution has never been observed or been proven with empirical data, only theories and fairytales.

Four out of five definitions for evolution are pure fairytales for grownups. Deal with it. People don't want to believe in God because his rules get in the way of their desires, not because of any science.

>in school today
>Physics teacher going on about how light is the fastest thing in the universe
>I tell her that recently they found out that neutrinos moved faster than light
>WELL THAT'S A ROUGH ESTIMATION AND IT'S NOT PROVEN YET

>Bitch only accepts the big bang theory ignoring all others too

>>20498959
Needs to go back to a science class and receive a passing grade.

>>20498841
>being useless
>being useful

Pick 1

>>20498993
Evolution is a dying religion but it's a religion none the less. You have to believe it happened but you can't be shown actual proof.

>>20498937
Religion itself is bad because of the people.
that includes
Christanity
Jewism
moar Jewism
and jews

>>20498993

That hasn't been proven as scientific fact though. It's still under review, so sure it may be true, but we can't be certain if it was fluke or not.

>>20498979
Confirmed for retard.

>2. No star can fuse elements past iron, where did the rest come from?
The short blast from when a massive star becomes supernova.

A Catholic priest proposed the big bang theory.

Your arguments are now invalid.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

>>20498975
It means that there is a possiblity for shit to spin in any way.

Religion mode:
If angular momentum states that in a frictionless environment things continue spinning the same way, why can astronauts spin in any way they want while in space?

>inb4 religious fags never heard of moment of inertia

>>20498979

you're right, but the poster was clearly referring to biological evolution and that has nothing to do with the big bang

and macroevolution is made up of small micro evolutions

if things keep evolving over thousands of years it makes sense that eventually a new species will form

>>20498979

>1. Laws of physics debunks big bang
The laws of physics don't apply at time zero.
>2. No star can fuse elements past iron, where did the rest come from?
Supernovae
>3. No planet or star has ever been observed yet we see stars die fairly frequently
Say what?
>4. Micro-evolution is a poor name but creationists agree that variations occur, i.e. you can breed dogs and will always get big dogs or little dogs but always dogs.
Mutations cause larger changes to occur over time.

>5. Macro-evolution has never been observed or been proven with empirical data, only theories and fairytales.
Fossils.

I just got super trolled, didn't I?

>>20498979
A non-atheist, in /g/?

Wut?

>>20499025

Evolution is happening continuously and happens far faster in organisms that reproduce rapidly, we will never see much evolution at the macro level that will be easily observable such as in humans but changes in DNA creating immunity against pathogens is evolution.

evolution is the continual adaption to suit your environment and live, passing on genes that allow your decedents to survive in your environment, those that survive reproduce and pass on those useful genes those that die dont.

evolution can be seen especially in pathogens becoming resistant to the over use of antibiotics e.g MRSA and now gonorrhea.

>be in biology back in 11th grade
>teacher telling us about whale anatomy
>shows picture of whale skeleton, points out tiny bones
>claims tiny bones are vestigial of long gone legs

Next day

>raise hand and ask teacher question
>how are whale hip bones vestigial if they're used in mating and the "vestigial" theory has been debunked decades ago
>teacher confused and embarrassed, never had an answer

>The laws of physics don't apply at time zero.
Stopped there.

See kids? the evolutionists only have speculations and crossed fingers, never actual data.

>>20499112
>gonorrhea
aw shit

>>20499037

That is also false, the basis of Christianity is perfectly fine. Most people, for some reason, believe Christianity teaches people to stay away from science and it's all evil. Nowhere in the bible does it say anything about that. It's the people that see science state things like the big bang theory and evolution and automatically think all science is anti-religion, which it's not. I know plenty of Christians that are scientist and plenty of atheistic that are dumb fucks. Each group will have some. It all comes down to how people interpret it and who they listen to.

You know, my mother and I are both Christians, but the difference between us is that I understand all of this science stuff and she doesn't. So she'll talk about how these things science states can't be true but I always explain to her how it can, and instead of me saying, "Well you're just dumb and religion is bad." I instead teach her something and now she understands it and can accept it as perfectly fine under religion. These people that think the big bang/evolution and Christianity can't exist just can't think past one thing. Who is to say God didn't make the universe by the big bang or evolution? He's motherfucking God, He can do what He wants.

>>20499160

want a link?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-15238613

Here's how hilarious evolution has become:

Since scientists are starting to doubt darwinian evolution, stephen j. gould came up with an even dumber theory where everything happens all at once.

One day, a chicken lays an egg and a dog hatches out!

lolface.jpg

ITT: people who have never read any modern science books outside of school

To answer the OPs question, because you cannot prove or disprove God.
Bible-humpers are just as retarded as bible-bashers.

Agnostic master race reporting.

>>20499146
Quantum physics.

>>20499246
I think you mean agnostic atheist master race.

>>20499258
Light is not bound by physical proprieties

Germanic peoples believed:
>The world is carried around the sun by dogs pulling a sled and whenever they stopped to scratch themselves, it caused earthquakes

Muslims believed
>According to the prophet muhammad, the sun setted on muddy waters every night

Greeks believed
>A titan named atlas held the world on his back

Indians believed
>The world balanced on the back of an elephant standing on a turtle, standing on a snake

Christians believed
>The world was round and floated in a vacuum

Isaiah 40

21Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth,

Job 26

7He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Welcome aboard, science, only a few thousand years behind us Christians.

>>20499246
So basically you believe that there is a chance that ANYTHING that can't be disproven might exist?
This includes billions of things. Surely god can't be the only entity that you are agnostic about, I mean, the existence of the classical Flying Spaghetti Monster is just as probable as the existence of god.

>>20499359
>Indians believed
>>The world balanced on the back of an elephant standing on a turtle, standing on a snake
Isn't this Discworld?

On the topic of evolution, we have observed with our own eyes species evolving to adapt to their environment
The problem comes when you try to apply it to the human race, of which we have missing links within our "evolutionary chain"

I'm personally inclined to we are the product of alien genetic cloning/enhancement/splicing/whatever, rather than any divine being just willing us into existence, and shaking a finger at us from 1000s of years ago telling us to worship him and only him or to not eat pork or not to use technology or to cut out our right eye if it makes us sin.
Organized religions or full of logical and ethical fallacies, I for one refuse to partake in, but respect others choice to believe as they will.

And I'm laughing at all your Christfags trying to poke holes in science, seriously, science is obviously not your strong point, stop trying.

>>20499373
Thats the point. Something must be falsifiable to be scientific. Neither God nor Spaghetti monster are falsifiable. Its like trying to prove/disprove that blue is a cool color. You cant because its an opinion.

>>20499373
True. I can't prove that there's a flying spaghetti monster, nor can I prove that there isn't a flying spaghetti monster, so therefore I am unsure of whether or not a flying spaghetti monster exists.

>>20499359
Christians also believed that the sun went around the earth, and that the blue of the sky was an endless ocean from which the rains fell

It amazes me how the atheists are always the first to claim science proves them right and yet they never understand science. They also never have scientific rebuttals when Christians school them.

>>20499428
**religions are full of

type vomit much?

>>20499428
>we have observed with our own eyes species evolving

Examples please?

inbr HURRR MY OPINION IS FACT

Because scientists are not idiots, like atheists.

"In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." - Albert Einstein

>>20499359
you seemed to have confused the word circle with the word sphere. You can have a flat circle of land, which is what the church claimed for many years. Congrats on trying to rewrite history to suit your needs.

>>20499476
see
>>20499112

>>20499359
Retard, Muslims would give you the same old bull.
Herp derp 'the koran contains science, it even tells about the big bang!'.

It's all bullshit.

Hey guys, the lug nuts on a Chevy fit the lug nuts on a Ford, that must mean they both evolved from Hondas 50 million years ago!

>>20499476
Butterfly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1194281/Darwins-evolution-moth-changes-black-white-th
anks-soot-free-skies.html

>>20499413

no thats the disc world on the back of 4 great elephants on the back of a giant space turtle, the great atuin.

but its like what they say, super advanced technology is but magic to those who do not understand it.

>>20499476
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=examples+of+evolution

>>20499492
The original Hebrew circle is sphere, good job being uneducated, I take it you're an atheist.

hey christfags
how could god have created the world if he was only born in 0 BC?
checkmate

>atheist
>educated

Pick one, lol!

>>20499486
Einstein was also into incest. Your point is moot

>>20499541
christfags don't even know the date of their jesus's birth

>>20499548
ad hominem much?

I'll tell you why I think God exists.

Sun goes up
Sun goes down
Tide goes in
Tide goes out
There's no miscommunication.

You can't explain that.

>>20499562
>christian
>support incest

>>20499548

Fine then, how about this?

Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors." - Isaac Newton

>>20499476
antibiotic resistance in bacteria.

boom headshot, deny it and scream for mercy to your sky daddy to make the truth go away.

>>20498824
>science, how does it werk?

>>20499532
When you give the original Hebrew passage we will than decided the true meaning of the word used, as the English translation stands it says circle, not sphere.

>>20499606

>Atheists crying SCIENCE without understanding the very first principle of science

>>20499601
Newton was an idiot when it came to this. He blindly believed it was all a work of god. Very contradictory of all his calculations and proofs.

>>20499628

This thread is now about atheists and christians posting quotes to validate their views.

>>20499486
You do realise many scientists don't believe in god, and so are atheists, right?

/g/ - Science & Math

>>20499518

Peppered moth evolution was debunked half a century ago and proven to be fraud. You evolutionists are always decades behind.

http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/Flawedevidence/pepperedmoth.html

Also, if your experiments starts with a moth and ends with a moth, it's still a moth, not a lion. Come back when you have proof that hasn't been debunked by science.

>>20499646

>>20499628
>apply occam's razor
>bible is the more likely answer

>>20499659

/g/ - philosophy

>>20499667

>>20499532
>>20499617
Chug (חוג) means a flat-circle like a coin
Dur (דור) a sphere like a ball

In Isa. 40:22, where it denotes "the circle of the earth". It uses Chug

>>20499667
wow looks real legit

>>20499683
no it doesnt. Derp. Its simpler to assume there is no god

>>20499486

Lots of people in the Soviet Union didn't believe in capitalism either or they'd be sent to Siberia. If a scientist starts talking about intelligent design, they lose grant money. Your logic is flawed at best, idiotic at least.

The notion that...the operating programme of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial soup here on the Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order.

Evolutionist Sir Fred Hoyle

>>20499683
lol that's rather clever

score 1 for anon making atheists look like butthurt faggots

>>20499646
Because free will.

>>20499701
Great, now show me that on the original parchments, dick, not your translation of two words on 4chan.

Are you atheists stupid in any other fields?

>>20498366
Because "God" was designed with several major logical fallacies to ensure that it could never be fully defined with logic.
In addition, these fallacies have been changed and updated multiple times over the course of social evolution to keep up with the advancement in science and technology.

The very core fallacy will however always remain the same: "Everything that disproves the existence of God are lies told by Satan and should be rejected. God demands this."

Aliens could literally unravel the very fabric of reality for us, and the religious ones would still claim that "This was made by God because God said so".

>>20499690

I nearly crapped myself laughing so hard. The bible says animals bring forth after their kind and you're amazed that wolves, dogs and foxes have similar DNA?!

You're proving my point and don't even realize it.

>>20499731
Atheists are stupid in pretty much every field. Especially scientific. However, they're kinda good at quoting random bible passages, more than Christians.

>>20499731
your the faggot christian trying to make a claim about a word in a language that you cannot speak or read. Be a jew learn the shit or know some jews who can translate.

If man was created in the image of god and all possible personalities of man are contained within it.

based on this assumption its one fucked up in the head being.

reminds me of Esmer from Thomas Covenant, would help you then shit all over your parade later on.

>>20499778
see
>>20499532
Not random, do Christians have problems with reading and read comprehension...Yes

>>20499784
How's that butt?

And I'm still laughing that you brought the peppered moth into this, decades after it was debunked.

>>20499784
>your the faggot christian trying to make a claim about a word in a language that you cannot speak or read.

>your
>a language that you cannot speak or read.

I'm smart enough to be skeptical about something somebody wrote thousands of years ago.

>>20499731
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+40%3A22&version=WLC

We all know that there is no such thing as "god", and the existence of one (or many) would involve refuting everything we know to be true in science.

I see no harm in letting people believe in a fictional character if it gets them through the day, though. I guess it might be nice to think there is some eternal force for good which will help you when you're feeling overwhelmed, but I just can't bring myself to think that as it is so illogical.

If there's one good lesson that atheists like me and you can teach, it is to realise that all we know to exist for sure is the world around this. Rather than debating or worrying about or preparing for an afterlife, we should, with this knowledge in mind, work toward building a better Earth.

>>20499815
notice it doesn't say write

We have to admit that there is nothing in the geological records that runs contrary to the view of conservative creationists...

Evolutionist Edmund Ambrose

>>20499723
what does that have to do with free will?

>>20499813
You're just jealous. Fuck off

I'm reading a lot of ass pain, a lot of half-baked science and a lot of garbage philosophy from the atheist camp.

Feel free to cite some actual science, guys. You fools are just proving over and over that evolution and atheism is just a religion.

>>20499837
>I see no harm in letting people believe in a fictional character if it gets them through the day
are you serious?
>macfag
oh
i think its about time for your daily offering of one child's liver to steve jobs eternal presence

Christian logic bingo

>>20499888

>>20499731
>Let us make man in our image, in our likeness
>us
>our

>>20499841
So a so called evolution biologist(best that google had to offer, couldn't seem to find any legit info on this guy or whether or not he really exists) is now an authority on geology. Try again.

>>20499888
"Scientific" atheism is a religion. I am not among the Dawkins spouting, moralistic retards, thanks.

>>20499768

ITT: atheis status

told [x]
not told [ ]

>>20499917
that's because it refers to the angels as well as himself.

>>20499888

so bacterial resistance to antibiotic drugs is bullshit were pulling out of our arseholes?

sounds more like TL;DR "insert derogitory comment to both sides to increase flame war for maximum trolling"

*sit back and watch the bitch fest with monocle and shampagne*

>>20499945
>shampagne

Because there's nothing to prove. Any evidence provided will never meet the standards required by either side to change their beliefs.

Atheism used to be the rejection of religious dogma. Now it's just a bunch of faggots preaching it.

>>20499930
9/10

>>20499930
>GOD ONLY EXISTS IN THE INFRA-RED!
holy shit try harder.
"if i dont OBSERVE it, it doesnt exist" you retard

>>20499925
atheism cannot be a religion in any form or shape. Atheism means a lack of belief.

science cannot be a religion

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

>>20499976
That's because some rational people are getting sick of being oppressed by retards. A more appropriate term would be 'anti-theist' though.

>ask atheists on 4chan for proof of evolution
>guy brings up peppered moth debunked 1976
>don't know if he's stupid or just epic fail

>>20499897
Hilarious ad hominem, I really liked that one.

Now, what is your proposition on religion? Do you think we should stop people choosing to be religious if they want to? If we do, what do we define belief as? Shouldn't we jail you for believing you'll have a good day?

Yes, there are religious idiots who take it too far. That doesn't give we atheists the right to vilify every religious person just because we know they are wrong. Besides, it can just be something which helps some people get through the day. Given that life's shitty sometimes, I'm sure I can appreciate the value of that to some.

>>20499930
how do you think they found those other waves, you retard?

they were MEASURED and OBSERVED

>>20499930
Um no, we can measure EM radiation in a variety of ways - so we know it exists. Now give us an experiment that would verify god exists.

There's a surprisingly high amount of creatards (or trolls) in here.

>>20499930
But it can be indirectly observed. No one has seen an atom but we know it exists because of how it interacts with things.

>>20499683
You are not properly applying Occam's Razor then

Which is a more simpler idea?
>A divine entity has and always existed, and at some arbitrary time decided to create the universe within 7 days, decided to make his own arbitrary distinction of light and dark, sea and sky, organic and inorganic, then spent a day fiddling around with coast lines and fjords, another day deciding which trees to make which color, another day making every single animal ever (nevermind the dinosaurs) and then made man in the image of itself, but without the ability to do any of those fantastic things he just did, and then curse them and be pissed off at them when they get curious about knowledge, even though it is his will and part of his plan.

>Universe begins from a single point at time 0, particle reactions cause explosion, quantum foam creates subtle differences in the primordial ooze, clumps become stars/planets/whatever, life spawned because of the inevitable increase in entropy

>>20499976
>atheist apologists
if you care enough about how other people behave to scare you away from a legitimate way of thinking you might as well just be a pussy "agnostic".
thats like saying "all thinkpads suck their users are such hipsters!"

>>20500043
>trolls
I want to believe... ;_;

Fucking idiots getting the definitions wrong in every thread.

>>20500054
Durrrrrrrp I can word it so that it benefits my position as well

>God is eternal and made everything

>>Universe begins from a single point at time 0, particle reactions cause explosion, quantum foam creates subtle differences in the primordial ooze, clumps become stars/planets/whatever, life spawned because of the inevitable increase in entropy

everything is SIN and science is Demons you know.

Your Computer? demons
Your Caricatures? demons
Your non jesus worship Music? demons
Other gods? demons

>>20499945

It started as a bacteria and ended as a bacteria. Also, the resistance was already present in it's genetic code but put back in circulation, robust genetic code of it's parent strains are more resilient.

To put this in terms even an atheist can understand:
if you had your arms surgically removed and the police went around arresting everyone in your street, you'd escape because you have no wrists to handcuff. But when you're back in the general public, you can't function as well as everyone else.

Man, you atheists really are stupid.

>>20500073
>Atheists trying to jack agnosticism's definition after realizing that they're fucking stupid

>>20500015
Proof?

>>20500009
Atheism means lack of a belief in (a) God. You can still be religious and not believe in a God (see: Buddhism). Moreover, the definition of religion does not explicitly state that it has to pertain to belief in a superpower.

Your assessment of science is correct, but let me ask you this: is modern science legitimate?

A good deal of it still is! But, that is changing. More and more, "science" is becoming little more than a way for a university to receive grants instead of what it should be. Any honest look at the "evidence" for climate change should be enough to make that clear.

>>20500142
>You can still be part of a cult and not believe in a God (see: Buddhism).
FTFY

>>20500030
>they were MEASURED and OBSERVED

With tools that were developed over time. Just like, say, the microscope. Atheists are mentally stuck at the times where people would flip their table and yell THAR BE NO SUCH THINGS AS TINY DRAGONS IN MY GROIN COVERINGS

>>20500167
So until you develop your tool that will prove the existence of god, he will remain a theory

>>20499976
>preaching atheism
atheists dont build churches trying to prove something
atheists dont knock doors trying to recruit people
atheists dont put up signs to advertise
atheists dont demonstrate denying the existance of god
atheists dont travel around the world trying to convert people from their original beliefs by luring them with stuff in exchange for converting or other ways
atheists dont go on crusades killing hundreds of thousands of people
atheists dont hunt and kill hundreds of thousands innocent people that happen to have knowledge in herbal medicines or for believing something other than themselves
atheists dont condemn people for their discoveries that differ from their own knowledge and beliefs

>>20500125
>"agnostics" trying to redefine agnostic, not realizing they are likely "agnostic atheists"

>>20500196
Don't forget the spanish inquisition

>>20500195
Which is why everyone with a brain is agnostic.

>>20500112
The fact is the bacteria changed a significant amount to allow it to live where it couldn't previously.
As changes keep happening, it becomes more different to what it originally was.

>>20498979
You also don't grasp that our concepts of physics don't apply to things such as black holes. So we have a very limited understanding of physics in space.

>>20500196
>atheists dont put up signs to advertise
Actually, we started doing that, but only next to the christian signs as a counter balance.

>>20500054
I'd position it in an even simpler way than that, personally.

Look at the Universe. Look at the human body, look at nature. They're all pretty complex.

Doesn't it follow that their origin is likely to be very complex too? "It just is that way" isn't an explanation, and it's important that we strive to find out why things are how they are.

Essentially, that's the work of science. Figuring out why things are how they are, and proving such.

>>20500196
>atheists dont go on crusades killing hundreds of thousands of people

Oh shit nigger, learn to history.

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro. Is being retarded a prerequisite for believing in evolution?

why is this thread here?
seriously /g/, i thought you were better than this...

I"m surprised /g/ is as scientifically inept as this.

Also, this
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/who-has-killed-more-satan-or-god.html
>pic related

>>20500237

>>20500237
they didnt do those thing BECAUSE they were atheists you retard. with the crusades religion was 100% the motivating factor.
you might as well have said milk drinks caused the holocaust because hitler drank milk.

>>20500247
because /sci/ is family. We have to put up with it.

>>20500263
I'd much rather have seen mohammed in the evil muslim part

>>20500263
>bill gates
>ethical

>>20500237
1: They were political events, not religious
2: Hitler was a Catholic, the Nazis had "God is with us" in German on their belts.

>>20500299
yep

>>20500227
No, it lost information, it didn't gain anything new. Breed dogs until you get a chihuahua and you haven't gained information, you've gleaned it off.

To think you can keep losing information over millions of years and that's how you got here from being a bacteria in an ocean is just retarded.

>>20500263
Good Muslims

lol

>>20500167
If there's no evidence of something, it's not rational to believe it exists.

bill gates is agnostic-ish not gnostic-atheist

>>20500273
>be evolutionist
>believe some races are inferior to others
>treat people like animals and dispose inferiors

Yup, sure is denial in here

>>20500303
>donating to charity erases all past sins
protip: he's buying pr and tax cuts

HEY CHRISTFAGS
GOD KILLED ONAN BECAUSE HE BLEW HIS LOAD ON THE GROUND INSTEAD OF IN A WOMAN
IF GOD EXISTS, THEN WHY DOESN'T HE KILL ME NINE TIMES A WEEK?

>>20500328
*most* "atheists" are agnostic-atheists, you will have a hard time off the internet finding a "gnostic-atheist"

>>20500344
They both want their taxes raised.

>>20500300
Going to Catholic school as a child doesn't mean you actually follow the Catholic faith.
Hitler openly detested Christianity saying that it introduced adultery to the German people. Before Christianity they never knew of such impure things.
He also said that the German people could benefit greatly from the tenants of islam and it would do well as the state religion.
Get your facts right.
sage because this shit is nothing but /b/ level trolling an uneducated children

>>20500342
Right, because no one believed other races were inferior to their own prior to evolution being discovered.

>>20500365
NOW they do
rather convenient, dont you think?

You cannot prove the unprovable.

Also, science does not prove anything - go re-read/learn the scientific method faggot.

I asked one of these people that believe in the evolution religion if George Washington's face evolved into the side of Mount Rushmore by weathering, erosion etc over millions of years. He gave me a dull look and said "No, it was engineered over several years by sculpters"

I said "So you believe there was no way that face got there by pure chance over millions of years and had special design but you think George Washington the organism which is billions of magnitudes more complex happened by chance?"

Great times, I love idiot atheists.

>>20500366
You don't know shit, take that Pat Robertson cock out your mouth. I bet you think that the Nazis used gay soldiers, too? They killed gays!

>>20500366
I don't even think this is particularly important, but nope. You are wrong.
Provide source for your quotes, or it's bullshit. Don't include table talks because that is untrustworthy.

There's a lot of evidence that Hitler was a Catholic. Even in mein kampf he talks about his Christianity.

>>20500311
this

inb4 big bang/evolution is just a theory etc

>To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

A scientific theory comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

>>20500410
Absolutely nothing you posted disproves the fact that Hitler was not a Catholic, or any kind of Christian for that matter. His own personal writings make this very clear.

>>20500406
The logical gaps you people jump is astounding. Evolution isn't "chance". It isn't like the lottery. You don't get either all of it or none of it. It builds up over time. Advantages stay in the population and live on. it's like if the lottery numbers were 1, 46, 32, 12, and 27, then when evolution gets 46, it keeps 46. When it gets 32, it keeps 32, only playing again for the ones it missed.

You will say "THAT ISN'T THE WAY THE LOTTERY IS PLAYED", to that I say EXACTLY! That is my point, evolution isn't chance, it builds over time with what is advantageous.

>>20500344
and helping the less fortunate

you seem to be mad because you so called "good religious people" are actually less kind to the less fortunate

>>20500456
see
>>20500433

>>20500344
Doubtful. He's probably just bored as hell. Remember that the likes of Gates had worked all his life before that, so retiring to a yacht would probably be infuriatingly disinteresting.

Why do you think all these rich high-society types do philanthropy? They have a ton of money and honestly got nothing better to do with it, so a full time job spending money is attractive to them.

I'm sure they want to do something nice, like most people do, but it doesn't make you fucking Gandhi or MLK.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=proof+god+30+seconds&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org
.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

I just read the first result and liked it's case.

>>20500433


WAIT...are you saying politicians tell people what they want to hear for support of those groups???

>>20500470
Its called the Hitler Youth manual
you should look it up some time

Or look up their plans to destroy Christianity within the Reich and replace all Christian themes with Germanic Pagan themes.

Uneducated twat.

>hurr going to catholic school for a couple years as a child means you absolutely must be a catholic for the rest of your life

>>20500456
>>20500410
To be perfectly honest, it's completely immaterial as to what religion (if any) Adolf Hitler identified with.

What mattered is that he was a horrible person who did horrible things. His claimed moral or ethical backing for it doesn't change anything.

You cannot stereotype people based on the actions of one, or even most, of their group. The number of great people whose entire message was essentially just that is large, so it is astounding and disheartening that it hasn't sunk in with some people by now.

>>20500464
Actually, celebrities and rich people like publishing how much they give away to charities because it's good PR for them. Christians are taught to give charity privately and not announce it.

Matthew 6:1-4
Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Why are atheists so uneducated about everything and yet they claim to be so rational and wise?

>>20500513
I will not argue with you over retarded shit that at the end of the day doesn't matter, especially when you say this:
>Germanic Pagan themes

That is not something ATHEISTS would do, is it? HURRR

Add to that, it doesn't matter WHAT Hitler was, his troops wore belts that said God is with us and were Christian, and they were the ones that did the killings. So suck on that you fucking troll.

Doesn't Jesus ever get tired of holding atoms together?

Because humanity for the most part needs that sort of crutch.

Fucking with the opium of the people can be a bad idea. That's why our governments either would/do hide alien information

>>20500544

>>20500551
When did I say he was an Atheist, buttmad autist?
I simply said he wasn't Catholic. Try to control your blinding rage and cultivate a bit of reading comprehension before you foam all over your keyboard.

A lot of side-stepping, weak philosophy and uneducated claims by evolutionists and atheists in this thread but still not ONE single shred of proof of evolution.

Atheism and evolution are a religion and you guys don't even realize it.

>>20500544
See:
>>20500523

Just like how very bad people, like Hitler, should be judged by their actions, so should the good. I'm an atheist and I've done what most would call charitable things (including volunteering) when I felt the urge to. I don't shout about it either, because frankly, it's not that interesting.

If someone were to ask I'd say, but that's it.

/g/ - Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

Science and Religion are two sides of the same coin

>>20500581
The anonymous nature of the board only leaves us to assume that you were the same person in the debate that was saying he was an Atheist, since you jumped into the debate with the same name (anonymous) as him. If you don't want to be confused for another, get a trip.

>>20500513
I don't think anyone said that he must be a Christian for life because he went to a catholic school.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views
Even wikipedia will help get you started.
"In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian German culture, and his belief in the "Aryan" Christ"

>>20500580
That guy did a great job quoting Old Testament Levitical law that applies to no one except practicing Jews. He also forgot to mention Christians are taught to love and forgive.

>>20500634
Public statements =/= private beliefs

>>20500649
Atheists never bother to learn about Christianity to properly debunk it.

abrahamism is self-contradicting

see >>20499917
problem jewfags, christfags and islamfags?

Anyone? Any intelligent atheists with proof of one animal evolving to another over millions of years?

>>20500649
And the gay hating you quote from the old testament is some how still valid, eh?

Shut the fuck up.

>>20500664
Apparently atheists don't learn enough about science either.

>>20500697
Strawman, he never advocated for the gay hating quote either.

Learn to argue properly instead of flinging mud around like a teenager.

>>20500664
>debunk christianity
we dont have to

>>20500689
see >>20499927
and >>20499628

well im the other way around.
im catholic and i embrace evolution.

>>20500725
also

>>20498366
>>20498423

That's not how science really works. There is never really evidence that some concept isn't real, only that other things are. I don't believe in a deity either, since there isn't really any concrete evidence that suggests that they're real. The closest you can have to proving something can't exist or happen is zero evidence that it can.

>>20500723
It's not a strawman, he was attacking the use of a verse from the OT, in defense of the people that use the bible against gay marriage, failing to mention that the attacks on gay marriage come from the OT.

>>20500746
and

>>20500725
Proving evolution does not disprove Christianity.

Moron.

>>20500303

>>20498514
that murderer in norway is an christian

>>20500658
Absolutely. But there is nothing to suggest he had privately atheistic or otherwise beliefs.

>>20500592
Not really, buddy. Evolution is a theory, yes, but given the evidence we've found so far it's the most likely explanation. Given that science is, by definition, not a religion, that can change. If science had conclusively answered every possible question, it would have stopped by now.

It is acknowledged that it is a theory by everyone who actually knows what it is. As we keep making more discoveries, and finding out more, it might come to surface that evolution was a complete load of shit. So far, that's looking increasingly unlikely, but of course it could happen.

I think the main reason that people might think evolution is a religious-style view is a misunderstanding of what I've explained. Remember that it's more of a "this is what we have so far", as opposed to a "this is how it is because we say so, and it can never change".

I hope this helped. Thanks for reading.

>>20500756
It is a strawman, he drew a different position akin to the one the first person had, and then attacked it.

That's a classic strawman.

>Intentional logical fallacies

>>20500777
nah

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDr6SjPMRzs&skipcontrinter=1

>>20500697

Mathew 19

4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

>Jesus speaking, since you're uneducated chiming in on something you don't understand.

http://www.kingcounty.gov/healthservices/health/personal/glbt/AnalCancer.aspx

Oh, look at that, the gay lifestyle is unhealthy. It only took researchers thousands of years to catch up with what the creator said. And that article doesn't even mention how many gays die from aids.

>>20500801
it's a SCIENTIFIC theory.

learn the fucking difference

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

>>20500801
>Not really, buddy. Evolution is a theory, yes,

Stopped there. Don't care about your philosophies, only science.

>>20500832
>2011
>using the bible for ANY basis of lifestyle arrangements
ISHYGDDT

>>20500832
0/10

Still no proof of evolution from anyone?

>>20500832
Genesis 1:26
>Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness..."

>there is only one god
>god says they made man in THEIR image
>plural
>one

your whole religion is based on bullshit and lies

>>20500801
This. Can't believe I'm agreeing with this guy of all people....

>>20500867
see >>20500862

>>20500894
antibiotics immunity

>>20498824
creationists = God did it

<- The only thing religion is good for.

But it never happens to me, it's always old men. So fuck that shit.

>>20500900
MacFag is cool when Apple isn't in the discussion.

Anyone at all? Proof that one animal turns into another over millions of years? Anyone?

>>20500931
doesnt even take millions of years, see >>20500919


you keep ignoring my posts. scared?

>>20500895
God refers to himself as plural, idiot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

>>20500894
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
Teach yourself.

I find it amusing when young earth creationists try to explain the fossil record (especially if they say the great flood ordered the fossils).

>>20498979
creationists = god did it

>>20500940
Why would a being that is everywhere all the time refer to himself in plural?

>>20500940
That's Catholicism, and wasn't around in the OT, when that is taken from.
>genesis
>new testament Catholicism

ISHYGDDT

>>20500931
>>20500894
Disproving evolution won't make Christianity correct.

lern2positiveandnegative claims

>>20500965
>Implying time applies to God

>>20500965
the same is said in the untranslated jewish books aswell

Catholic church has now accepted evolution. So if you ant to be a good christian, you should believe in evolution.

>>20500965
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Claims_of_Old_Testament_prefigurations

inb4 butthurt and assranged

>>20500938
I've addressed one of your previous claims. It started as a a germ and ended as a germ but with less genetic code.

And why on earth would LOSING genetic information be an example of evolution?? Are you saying a bacteria in the ocean millions of years ago lost information until it became human?

That's not science, that's religion.

Show me scientific proof of an animal changing into a different animal over millions of years or failing that, show me Gouldian evolution.

>>20500988
I find it funny how everyone is trying to get the plural use of God in genesis to debunk Christianity, when evolution and original sin from Adam and Eve already do.

>>20500237
hitler a catholic and the others commies not atheists

>>20501006
No, that is them taking the pluralities of God in the OT and saying SEE! THE NT FULFILLS IT!

But Jesus didn't exist then! HUIUURURURURUURRU

>>20501011
it doesnt change the fact that is mutated (evolved) to become immune.

nice grasping at straws

>>20501040
>Implying Hitler didn't massacre Catholics

>Communism a political philosophy, totally supersedes a religious one

2/10

>>20501026
since religiousfags doesnt want to see logic and reason, more proof has to be put forth for them

Since there is no God should I go about the rest of my life being as terrible a person as possible?
After all the notion of good and evil is just an illusion, right? In a world without God there is only the strong, and the weak.
I could break into your home, rape your wife, murder your children right before your eyes, and nothing of value would be lost.
After all we're just a bunch of apes. If people have the audacity to still be poaching tigers with there being as little of a population remaining then surely the lives of a couple hairless apes is just as worthless if not more seeing as there's billions of our species, and only 2,500 tigers left in the wild.

>>20501087
morals has nothing to do with religion. nice try tho

>>20501087
if that would be true there would be lots of atheists in jail but it's not true there's lots of god believers in jail and allmost no atheists

>>20501011
I know a good example, the whale.
Some whales have hip bones and legs.
You order the whale fossils by age and you get a nice progression from a land mammal to a whale where the hind legs become vestigial.

>>20501087
religion has nothing to do with crime

>implying the New Testament fulfills anything
>implying that if a trilogy of books only got to part 2 and the author died, I couldn't write a third book that "fulfills" those prophesies in the second book before mine

They had a fucking template, a fucking script to follow when writing the New Testament, it wasn't fulfilled, it was "finished".

>>20501150
and to prove it:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

>>20501067
Thank you sir, another example of how atheists don't understand science.

Mutation is scrambling of existing data, not new information. A cow with 5 legs is a mutation. It's not new data, just existing information.

You've got to be kidding me if you think mutation proves any evolution. Even evolutionists know that doesn't work.

No matter how numerous they may be, mutations do not produce any kind of Evolution.
>Pierre-Paul Grassé, evolutionist

In the meantime, the educated public continues to believe that Darwin has provided all the relevant answers by the magic formula of random mutations plus natural selection—quite unaware of the fact that random mutations turned out to be irrelevant and natural selection a tautology.
>Arthur Koestler, author

The mass of evidence shows that all, or almost all, known mutations are unmistakably pathological and the few remaining ones are highly suspect.
>C. Martin in American Scientist


Now, if you have actual science that proves your silly theory, I'd love to hear it.

>>20501155
in the stories that didnt get included in the bible (which a bunch of faggots decided so it would fit with their own agendas) Enoch built a gate (landing pad) for God so he could land on Earth.

Why would an omnipotent supernatural being need a gate to come to earth?

>>20501212
>Alternatively, new variants can come into being from within a population in at least three ways: mutation of DNA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_theory

had enough yet?

>>20501150
>United States
>Turkey
...It's like we're the sandniggers of the western world ;_;

>>20501011
>And why on earth would LOSING genetic information be an example of evolution?
Evolution does not have goals. If losing genetic information allows the creature to survive in the current condition, so be it.

>>20501212
>Thinks appeals to authority actually mean something
>Doesn't understand what information is.
>Doesn't think duplicating and re-organising the order of a string of data can add information
>Needs to read up on Kolmogorovs contributions to Information Theory

>>20498979

1. no it does not, we just don't understand the laws of physics inside black holes yet etc
2, supernovas
3, whut?

idk if i really belive in evolution tough, but it's the best theory we've got

>>20501305
religiousfags should watch some of the documentaries with stephen hawkings.

and so should anyone else that havent already aswell for that matter

> guy asks why science has not yet proven that there is no god
> 286 posts and 56 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.

>>20501277
If you think scrambling existing information is going to make something new, you need help. It doesn't even begin to explain where the existing information came from. Also, you're citing theories and not hard science. You're listening to men who depend on grant money preach to you about how they wish, they hope evolution happens. You've left science and entered religion and didn't even notice it happen.

This whole thread: atheists mad because their evolution religion doesn't have any real science behind it.

Simplified Cell Division:

When a cell splits to create another cell in the body, it duplicates it's set of chromosomes. Each set separates into two different cells. This means that each of the resulting cells has a set of chromosomes that are the same as their parent cell.

When cells split to create sex cells (gametes), the chromosomes aren't split in the same way. Rather than splitting so that each set is put into a different cell, each cell gains two incomplete pieces of the set, rather than one complete set. For example:

Lets say that each chromosome was made of two parts, AB.

The cell then duplicates the chromosome.

The cell now has AA and BB, equivalent to two of the same chromosome.

If it divides to create body cells, each cell gets one A and one B. This means that both resulting cells have a complete chromosome.

If it divides to create gametes, the resulting cells get two A sections or two B sections. The resulting cells have incomplete parts of a chromosome. These cells will then split again to create cells with just one A or B piece of a chromosome. These are gametes. They only have one set of chromosomes; one set of genetic information.

Inheriting mutations:

Because the gametes only have one set of genetic information, they need to combine with another gamete for a second set of information. This is why two sex cells (sperm and egg) combine to create a zygote. The zygote created inherits one set of chromosomes directly from each parent. Any mutations present in the chromosomes of a parent's gamete will become part of the zygote. Because every cell that divides from the zygote is created the same way as body cells are, they will all have the same set of chromosomes as the zygote, and they will inherit the mutations as well. Since all cells in a child descend from the zygote, any mutation in a parent's gamete may become part of the zygote, and then part of every cell in the child's body.

Because the child's sex cells inherit their chromosomes from the child's body cells, and every body cell should have the mutation, almost all the child's sex cells will have the mutation. This means that their child should have the mutation, and so on.

We know that body cells can mutate from exposure to radiation or different chemicals, but now we may see that these mutations can be passed on to all the cells that descend from the mutated cells. Since the body cell can split into a sex cell, we know that the mutations can be passed on to a sex cell, and from there to a zygote, where the mutation will become part of almost every cell in the child grown from the zygote.

We can see that the child can create a line of children with the mutation. If somewhere along that line, another mutation is passed on to a sex cell, another line may be created with both mutations. This can happen over and over, with new lines inheriting mutations from the one's they split from. The mutations then 'pile up' over millions of generations. This can result in a branch with enough mutations that they end up seeming like a completely different organism from those they descended from.