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    238 KB Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:04 No.20381184  
    /g/, you're a smart bunch.... Does 0.999...(repeating) = 1?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:05 No.20381204
    Yes.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:05 No.20381210
    no
    /thread
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:05 No.20381218
    no because infinity
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:05 No.20381224
    no
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:05 No.20381225
    Does negative infinity equal positive infinity?
    >> Epsilon !!HQ/fGqb/mGq 10/04/11(Tue)18:06 No.20381228
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    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:06 No.20381229
    >>20381210
    How the fuck not? It's repeating infinitely, meaning it is the exact same as 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:06 No.20381232
    For all intensive purposes, yes.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:06 No.20381238
    Yes.

    1/3 = .33 repeating
    1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
    therefore
    .33 repeating + .33 repeating + .33 repeating = 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:06 No.20381240
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    0.999... can be infinitely close to 1, but never 1. It is not a rational number.

    However, for all intent and purposes (in common arithmetic), it's rounded up to 1.

    >>>/sci/
    >> sage sage 10/04/11(Tue)18:06 No.20381241
    1/3+1/3+1/3=1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:06 No.20381243
    yes

    .999 = x
    -10x=9.9999
    --------------------
    9x = 9
    x = 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:06 No.20381249
    >>20381225
    Yes
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:07 No.20381271
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...
    >> !IoliconhOo 10/04/11(Tue)18:07 No.20381280
    >>20381240
    You can't round it up, what number do you add to 0.999... to make it equal to 1?
    There is no way of expressing the difference between 0.999... and 1, therefore they are the same.
    >> Epsilon !!HQ/fGqb/mGq 10/04/11(Tue)18:08 No.20381302
    >all of /g/ failed high school math
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:09 No.20381313
    People still argue over this?

    It's been over for years.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:09 No.20381321
    >>20381313
    If that's true, what is the answer?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:10 No.20381335
    >>20381280

    0. infinite 0's then a 1

    duh
    >> rate my !RIGjORdAn. 10/04/11(Tue)18:10 No.20381347
    Yes.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:10 No.20381355
    >>20381321
    0.999~ = 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:11 No.20381360
    Holy shit. What is limits?
    >> !IoliconhOo 10/04/11(Tue)18:11 No.20381361
    >>20381335
    >infinite 0's then a 1
    that's not how infinity works
    >> Socks !EgMHZSocks 10/04/11(Tue)18:11 No.20381365
    >>20381240
    >>20381232
    >>20381224
    >>20381218
    >>20381210
    Bitches don't know 'bout limits
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:11 No.20381377
    /g/ knows the difference between a floating point value and an integer, and by the way they are not the same thing.

    why am I even wasting my time?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:12 No.20381382
    No. .9999 repeating approaches 1.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:12 No.20381396
    Yes.

    Have none of you graduated high school?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:13 No.20381401
    >>20381377
    Are there people that think floating point and integer are same thing?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:13 No.20381406
    >>20381377
    mathematics in computer science != actual mathematics

    It's applied mathematics, limited by the capabilities and rules enforced due to the presence of a computer.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:13 No.20381410
    You fucking retards

    You can prove this

    WITH BASIC ALGEBRA

    WITH A SERIES

    AND WITH LIMITS

    WHY CAN'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:13 No.20381411
    >>20381184

    Yes and anyone who says anything else just proved how little knowledge they have
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:13 No.20381427
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    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:13 No.20381428
    also, 2+2=5, for large values of 2
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:14 No.20381433
    ITT: dumbfuckers who think two different numbers can be equal
    >> rate my !RIGjORdAn. 10/04/11(Tue)18:14 No.20381435
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    >>20381410
    1/3 = .3333...

    3 * 1/3 = 1

    3 * .333... = 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:15 No.20381456
    >>20381435
    there is that method but there is also

    x = .9999
    10x = 9.9999
    9x = 9
    x = 1

    and there is this
    >>20381427
    which besides being anime, is mathmatically correct
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:15 No.20381460
    >>20381433
    Two different representations of the same number can.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:15 No.20381462
    No, clearly 0.999999999... is not EQUAL to 1.
    If A is not equal to B, then A is in fact not B.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:16 No.20381476
    >>20381435

    No
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:16 No.20381484
    >>20381462
    ITT: 1/1 != 1 because its written different
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:16 No.20381485
    >>20381433
    Yeah, fucking idiots. Like 2/2 and 1, how they fuck could they be the same number when they look different? Fucking retards using logic.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:16 No.20381489
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    >>20381462
    >I forgot math
    >> rate my !RIGjORdAn. 10/04/11(Tue)18:17 No.20381498
    >>20381456
    infinity doesn't work this way. When you divide by 10 you don't lose the digits like your method implies
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:18 No.20381516
    Yes it does. Anyone that says otherwise and actually isn't trolling should learn how to use google before making themselves look like a moron.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:18 No.20381517
    >>20381232
    These kind of math problems are a diamond dozen.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:18 No.20381523
    >>20381462
    A = 1
    B = 1


    A != B, clearly, they are 2 different letters!!
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:19 No.20381529
    >>20381484
    0.999999 approaches 1 but is never equal to 1.
    therefore 0.999999 is not equal to 1.

    Just like a number that approaches infinity or 0, it can become extremely large or small but it will never be EQUAL to neither infinity (that's a self contradiction btw) or 0.

    You don't even need to know math to answer this question. OP already answered it by asking the question: is X equal to Y? Well is it?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:20 No.20381545
    >>20381529
    Did you even read the article linked in the fucking thread, or did you fail to understand the very basic math therein?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:21 No.20381564
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    >>20381529
    5/10 for full retard
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:21 No.20381568
    >>20381545
    what article? i didn't even know one was posted, i was just replying to OP
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:21 No.20381581
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    A limit of 0.999... would be 1.
    0.999... != 1
    I'll throw another one in, I guess.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:22 No.20381587
    >>20381529
    This entire posts just reeks of retard to the point that even if I didn't actually know you were wrong, I would assume you were wrong because retard.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:22 No.20381592
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    >>20381568
    >replying to a thread without reading it
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:23 No.20381604
    >>20381545
    >>20381564
    I took a calculus class (not that anyone gives a shit) and we dealt with integrals that had numbers so small that they approached 0.

    In electricity (AC) sometimes we would just use 0 instead of the very small numbers and the professor said it's not real math, we just replace the tiny numbers with 0.

    You can never go "small enough to reach 0", you're either at 0 or you're not, so a number no matter how small is not equal to 0.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:23 No.20381612
    >>20381604
    You can't in applied maths.

    You can in actual maths.
    >> NineBall !!MfGEVG3MAxb 10/04/11(Tue)18:24 No.20381637
    >>20381435
    >1/3 = .3333...

    I don't buy that.
    >> rate my !RIGjORdAn. 10/04/11(Tue)18:25 No.20381648
    >>20381637
    do it on you're calculator
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:25 No.20381653
    >>20381604
    >implying black is not a colour
    >erm... zero is NaN
    >> rate my !RIGjORdAn. 10/04/11(Tue)18:26 No.20381660
    >>20381648
    or do i't manually
    Your a moron if you don't agree
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:26 No.20381667
    >>20381637
    Represent one third using arabic numerals (in base 10) without writing it as a fraction.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:26 No.20381669
    >>20381637
    I take it you're still in high school?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:27 No.20381684
    >>20381604
    no scientific/engineering notation?
    >> rozeismyroze !lzIoZtnfJk 10/04/11(Tue)18:27 No.20381688
    It doesn't matter
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:28 No.20381697
    >>20381688
    You don't matter.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:28 No.20381698
    >>20381581
    /g/, you should be able to solve this.
    >> NineBall !!MfGEVG3MAxb 10/04/11(Tue)18:29 No.20381711
    >>20381667
    >>20381660
    >>20381648

    .333 can't be 1/3 because you can't add 3 of them and get back to 1!
    >> rozeismyroze !lzIoZtnfJk 10/04/11(Tue)18:29 No.20381712
    >>20381697
    no i don't and i matter more than this
    it isn't important in maths
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:30 No.20381729
    >>20381711
    It's not .333, it's .333...
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:30 No.20381731
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    >>20381711
    .333... x 3 = 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:31 No.20381744
    fucking limits, how do they work?
    >> sdm !!42M0wSt2dkX 10/04/11(Tue)18:31 No.20381749
    >>20381711
    .333... repeats indefinitely, and that's why it does get back to one, and that's why .999... = 1.

    There is no number in between .999... and 1; .999...=1.
    >> NineBall !!MfGEVG3MAxb 10/04/11(Tue)18:31 No.20381753
    >>20381731
    3+3+3=10!
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:31 No.20381754
    >>20381712
    >i matter more than this
    There isn't a thread about you with 70 replies.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:32 No.20381759
    There are now 3 proofs here showing that 0.9999... = 1, and only a bunch of statements that 0.9999... != 1.

    If you're a mathematician, you know which to believe...

    sage because posting in a troll thread.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:32 No.20381761
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    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:32 No.20381765
    >>20381753
    Christ, why are all tripfags retarded?
    >> sdm !!42M0wSt2dkX 10/04/11(Tue)18:32 No.20381767
    >>20381753
    No, that's 9.
    >> Epsilon !!HQ/fGqb/mGq 10/04/11(Tue)18:32 No.20381769
    >>20381581
    inb4 33%
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:34 No.20381784
    >>20381753
    That's 9.

    3.333.. x 3 = 10 though.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:35 No.20381804
    >>20381698
    0%/Paradox
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:35 No.20381806
    >>20381765
    Because you have to be retarded to even want to tripfag
    >> NineBall !!MfGEVG3MAxb 10/04/11(Tue)18:35 No.20381813
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    >>20381765
    Sorry I'm so much smarter than you, you'll cope with it one day.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:36 No.20381825
    x = 0.999...
    10x = 9.999...
    10x - x = 9
    therefore x = 0.999... = 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:36 No.20381828
    >>20381759
    I still don't buy it, no matter how many .9's you add you're always going to have a tiny gap.

    Adding 0.1 to 0.9 makes a 1, adding 0.01 to 0.99 makes a 1, adding 0.001 to 0.999 makes a 1, and so forth until infinity

    Every time you add a .9. you also add a tiny gap, and you will never reach 1. You can approximate it if you like, but the actual number is never in fact equal to 1 unless you fill that tiny gap that completes the number to a 1.

    The gap won't fill itself magically just because your mind can't comprehend the smallness of the gap between 0.99999 and 1.

    Fuck all the mathematicians out there, I'm not convinced.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:37 No.20381840
    >>20381828
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:38 No.20381854
    Let {a_n} be a series of real numbers defined by a_n = a_(n-1) + 9/(10^n) with a_1 = 9/10.

    The first few terms of the sequence are: 9/10, 99/100, 999/1000, ...

    Then, assume, for the sake of a contradiction, that 0.999... is not equal to 1. There must exist a number, c, such that 0.999... + c = 1.
    In other words, the difference between the two cannot be equal to zero. It may be stated as: |a_n - c| > 0 for all n.

    However, if we try to find this number c, we see that no matter what term in the sequence we take, there will always be a larger one such that the c we have chosen does not work. Thus, we arrive to a contradiction as the number c cannot exist to satisfy the above inequality.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:38 No.20381856
    >>20381840
    Fuck wikipedia and everyone who edits the articles there, I have a mind and I'm going to use it, not rely on some other humans explanation.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:39 No.20381863
    >>20381828
    This guy can't into infinity
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:39 No.20381868
    Algebraically, yes. It's not hard to prove.

    Logically, no. They're two separate values, so it's impossible.

    Annoying.

    Also: you got this from Cracked, didn't you?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:39 No.20381889
    >>20381856
    >I'm smarter than all humans
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    >>20381828
    >Fuck astronomers, I'm convinced the sun orbits us. How else does it rise and fall? If we orbited it there would be day 24/7.

    Enlighten yourself.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_(mathematics)
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:40 No.20381900
    >>20381825
    This doesn't look right. Can you just subtract x from each side when x is being multiplied by 10? Thought you would need to divide.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:40 No.20381901
    >>20381856
    >Featured article
    >Mathematical proofs
    >Sources sited
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:41 No.20381913
    >>20381868
    >Also: you got this from Cracked, didn't you?
    OP here. Yes, I read this on cracked and remembered all the lulz I had when writing about it on other forums and decided to see how much /g/ would fight about it. Success.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:41 No.20381921
    >In mathematics, the concept of a "limit" is used to describe the value that a function or sequence "approaches" as the input or index approaches some value.
    "Approaches", not "equal to".
    >> sdm !!42M0wSt2dkX 10/04/11(Tue)18:42 No.20381935
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    >>20381900
    Multiplication is just mass addition.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:42 No.20381937
    http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=0.999...
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:43 No.20381943
    >>20381921
    Read that again.

    And then take a calculus class.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:43 No.20381956
    >>20381892
    I like to think for myself.

    The concept of infinity in mathematics has rules because an actual infinite would lead to self contradiction (what is infinity minus infinity, etc....), don't give me mathematical concepts with rules like limits. The question is whether those two numbers are equal and I maintain the position that they are NOT in fact equal, and I explained why I believe it.

    If you want to approximate it, fine, but they're not in fact equal.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:43 No.20381962
    >>20381913
    Bravo.

    I personally set about finding proofs of the statement myself, but hey: to each his own (form of entertainment).
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:44 No.20381966
    >>20381921
    Be really careful there, there is a significant difference between "the value of this approaches x" and "the limit is x".
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:44 No.20381976
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    >>20381854
    >> sdm !!42M0wSt2dkX 10/04/11(Tue)18:44 No.20381977
    >>20381956
    That's cool, I guess.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:44 No.20381981
    >>20381956
    do you believe in god too?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:45 No.20381994
    >>20381962
    For the record, I've researched it in the past and came to the conclusion that they are indeed equal. I just felt like trollin /g/.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:45 No.20382004
    >>20381981
    Actually I do, but that's irrelevant. stick with the topic.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:46 No.20382012
    It's approximately equal to 1.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:46 No.20382014
    >>20381956
    If you like to think for yourself so much, I'm assuming that at this point you've re invented the wheel, discovered fire, explained electricity, discovered the Pythagorean theorem, invented the microprocessor, built your own house with self procured materials and tools you crafted yourself, etc
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:47 No.20382029
    >>20381427
    That is correct.
    >> An !Ok.CAT.BOY 10/04/11(Tue)18:47 No.20382036
    Troll thread, troll thread
    Gotta post in a troll thread
    Idiots posting out of spite
    Troll thread, troll thread
    Postan' in a troll thread
    Gotta get ready for the shitpoooosts
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:47 No.20382046
    >>20381956
    >I'm smarter than someone with a PhD in mathematics

    prove that 0.999... != 1.

    With an equation.

    A correct one.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:47 No.20382052
    >>20381956
    >I like to think for myself.
    Horse shit. Everything else you've said, you've come to the conclusion because of other things you learned. Every time you research something, you're only reading what other humans have come up with. The only way you actually would be "thinking for yourself" is if you took everything you were taught and tested it out yourself. For example, do you believe in the concept of gravity?
    >> NineBall !!MfGEVG3MAxb 10/04/11(Tue)18:47 No.20382053
    >>20381981
    >>20382014
    Wow, look at these angry faggots. lmfao
    ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
    >> AnonymousAstralProjection 10/04/11(Tue)18:48 No.20382058
    .99999 recurring = 1

    Is simply a generalization. Basically the difference between using 0.99r and 1 is unimaginably minuscule, it is far simpler to calculate using the 1, since the answer variance will be something you will never notice.

    That is the simple explanation, but it has 2 different ways of looking at it, from a mathematical point of view (where .99r == 1) and a logical point of view (where .99r NOT = 1).

    So the answer is, it depends of the context from which you look at it.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:48 No.20382061
    >>20382014
    I've learned not to trust just anything that I read, no matter who says it or how many. That's a dangerous path to take.

    I check with my mind first, apply my own logic and reasoning, and the idea that the numbers 0.999999.... and 1 are EQUAL conflicts with my basic rational way of thinking.

    They are close, you can change the number to a 1 because the different is so insignificant, but they simply are not the same number.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:48 No.20382072
    >>20381956
    >lets do math
    >dont give me math idioms, proofs and laws because they are so stoopid
    can you get anymore ignorant?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:49 No.20382085
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    lol guise does 9.999999=10? xD
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:50 No.20382090
    numbers are just concepts, there is no such thing as "1", there can be 1dog, 1 cat etc but not "1"
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:50 No.20382094
    >>20382061
    That's kind of why I asked about the god thing.
    >rational way of thinking
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:50 No.20382097
    >>20382052
    Thanks captain obvious.

    Clearly I'm not going to reinvent the wheel, but when it comes to things like this I'm not just going to believe what someone says because he has a PhD in math. I'll take them seriously, but if I'm not convinced then I'm not convinced.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:50 No.20382101
    >>20382085
    yes
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:50 No.20382103
    >>20382061
    >I've learned not to trust just anything that I read, no matter who says it or how many. That's a dangerous path to take.
    So you believe in God based purely on your own experiences? I'd love to hear about them.
    >conflicts with my basic rational way of thinking.
    You've never considered that your basic rational way of thinking might not be the absolute most pristine method of proof?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:50 No.20382106
    >>20382046
    >prove that 0.999... != 1.
    >With an equation.
    >A correct one.

    0.999 * 1 = 0.999

    Or is that not correct mathematics?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:50 No.20382107
    >>20382061
    Your reasoning is wrong. Sorry.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:51 No.20382110
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    >>20382085
    9.999999 = 9.999999
    9.999... = 10

    Learn the difference, it could save several hundred lives should you ever become an architect.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:51 No.20382116
    >>20382085
    >>20382101
    No, but 9.999... does
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:51 No.20382120
    >>20382058
    >Implying anyone will listen when they can repeat the same arguments ad-nauseam.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:51 No.20382122
    >>20382090

    1 <--- found it
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:51 No.20382130
    >>20382061
    >apply my own logic and reasoning
    fairy tale logic isn't formal mathematical logic

    I never thought I'd find someone so stupid as to not understand the concept of mathematical equality, but here I am looking at you

    I bet the system of modulo groups must confuse you greatly
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:52 No.20382138
    >>20382061
    There is no fucking mathematical difference.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:52 No.20382140
    >>20382103
    I have tons of reasons and evidence, but I'm going to have to ask you to stick with the topic of the thread.

    If you're genuinely interested in scientific/philosophical evidence for God and creation in general, check out the lectures/debates and works of people like Dr. William Lane Craig.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:52 No.20382142
    >>20382106
    I said 0.999..., not 0.999 retard.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:52 No.20382144
    >>20382058
    Logical way?

    Mathematics is argued using logic. You define your axioms, you build your number sets, and you argue proofs with these axioms.
    This is as logical as it gets.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:52 No.20382152
    >>20382097
    I have the same type of skepticism about a lot of things, but I don't downright call it wrong because it seems illogical to me. Don't ignore proof because it doesn't fit what you originally though
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:52 No.20382156
    Damon, Why would you make a thread like this. Why?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:53 No.20382157
    >>20382106
    You multiplied a different number than 0.999...

    0.999... isn't equal to 0.999
    >> NineBall !!MfGEVG3MAxb 10/04/11(Tue)18:53 No.20382167
    >>20382140
    >Dr. William Lane Craig.
    For president.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:54 No.20382172
    >>20382122

    doesnt mean jack shit
    you cannot define it alone
    same way you cannot define letters, maths is quantitative though, language is qualitative
    >> rozeismyroze !lzIoZtnfJk 10/04/11(Tue)18:54 No.20382177
    >>20382061
    >I've learned not to trust just anything that I read, no matter who says it or how many. .
    yes that's good
    >That's a dangerous path to take
    not always
    >I check with my mind first, apply my own logic and reasoning, and the idea that the numbers 0.999999.... and 1 are EQUAL conflicts with my basic rational way of thinking.
    yes it does. because you don't know enough about numbers to say what is right and wrong

    solids that when hit become hard conflict with most peoples rational thinking {but they are real} unless they learn more about the molecular structure.
    You're rationality is not always right
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:55 No.20382189
    >>20382058

    That is what I was trying to explain but people are just ignorant faggots on here who don't/won't listen.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:55 No.20382190
    >>20382090
    Just like how everything on your screen is imaginary and is unable to represent real things.

    Not to mention your thoughts. They don't exist in a physical realm, so they're obviously not real.
    >> rozeismyroze !lzIoZtnfJk 10/04/11(Tue)18:55 No.20382193
    >>20382140
    > scientific
    >evidence for god
    if there was real evidence for god people wouldn't need faith
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:55 No.20382197
    lrn2write you American stupid-ass dumb-fucks

    it's 0.(9)

    and yes, 0.(9) = 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:55 No.20382198
    >>20382138
    >>20382130
    >>20382107
    Well sorry but I'm not convinced, 0.99999~ goes until infinity and an actual quantitative infinite is impossible in reality and leads to self contradiction (see: Hilbert's Hotel) so that's why calculators may replace it with a 1.

    But the simple fact is that 0.999999 is not the same number as 1, they just aren't. Math is full of rules that aren't supposed to be broken, especially when dealing with infinities and in this case 0.9999 does lead to infinity so we have to stop it. But in reality they are not the same number.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:56 No.20382214
    >>20381184
    OP saw that cracked article, didn't he
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:57 No.20382224
    I know it's a troll thread but my math teacher and another student got into an argument about this.

    if .999999999 = 1
    then 1.999999999 = 2
    then 2.999999999 - 3
    then 3.999999999 = 4
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:57 No.20382225
    >>20382198
    >In reality

    Math doesn't happen in reality.

    Applied math does.
    >> rozeismyroze !lzIoZtnfJk 10/04/11(Tue)18:57 No.20382230
    >>20382198
    Is 'A dog' the same as' A Dog'?
    You are arguing now, that because they are writin differently that are different .
    That's just daft
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:57 No.20382235
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    >>20382198
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:57 No.20382239
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    HEY GUYS, NUMBERS ARE ONLY CONSTRUCTS OF OUR MINDS. WE CAN'T TRUST OUR MINDS BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW FOR CERTAIN IF OUR MINDS ARE TRUTHFUL.

    ALL I KNOW IS THAT I EXIST. I MIGHT NOT EVEN KNOW THAT.

    PARDON ME WHILE I SIT IN THIS CORNER PONDERING MY DEPRESSIVE STATE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:58 No.20382246
    >>20382198

    0.999999 != 1
    0.(9) = 1
    NOT ONLY AS AN "ACCEPTED ROUNDUP," BUT AS A MATHEMATICAL TRUTH


    live with it
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:58 No.20382254
    >>20382224

    its actually a series debate about infinity,
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:58 No.20382256
    >>20382239
    Okay

    Enjoy dying as a personal tutor to some royal brat.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:58 No.20382261
    >>20382214
    See >>20381913
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:59 No.20382263
    >>20382224
    yes, it's true, but .999... not just a bunch of 9s.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)18:59 No.20382278
    >>20382224
    Is this supposed to disprove it or something? Because it doesn't.
    >> Azunymous !NyaaaanhJ6 10/04/11(Tue)18:59 No.20382279
    For all the people who love to use 0.33... * 3 = 3/3 and 1=0.99...
    Break it down into addition, you have 0.33... + 0.33... + 0.33...
    After our second addition, which you're believing to represent 2/3, 2/3 != 0.66..., 2/3 = 0.67 therefore, 3/3 != 0.99..., 3/3 = 1 definitely.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:00 No.20382290
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    I can't believe /g/ is this ignorant.

    Oh wait, I can.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:00 No.20382293
    >>20382190

    your not getting my point, i didn't say everything wasn't real

    numbers on there own dont mean anything, they dont exist, its when you APPLY the concept that matters, as i said, 1cat, 1dog, 1computer screen etc etc etc
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:00 No.20382296
    >>20382230
    If you're comparing the actual string of letters, then no they're not equal.

    But when it comes to the language and grammar that we humans agreed to together, they are equal.

    A is the same letter as a, but A is a capital letter and a is not so they're not in fact equal in every sense even though they are both the same letter, the letter being a human concept.

    If you're a programmer this is easy to understand, and I apply the same logic to math. Humans say 0.99999 = 1 because of the indifference of the gap, but they are not IN FACT the same number.

    see where I'm going with this?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:01 No.20382305
    >>20382279
    >2/3 = 0.67
    I really did respect you at one point.
    I'm kind of sad that I have to put you on my filter now.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:01 No.20382308
    >>20381900
    ? When you subtract x from 10x youre subtracting 0.999... from the other side as well
    Learn2Algebra
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:01 No.20382310
    1/3 = 0.33...
    1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
    0.33... + 0.33... + 0.33...
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:01 No.20382311
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    x = 0.9999...
    10 (x) = 10 (0.9999...)
    10x = 9.9999...
    10x - x = 9.9999... - 0.9999...
    9x = 9
    9x/x = 9/9
    x = 1

    >2011
    >not knowing how to math
    ISHYGDDT
    >> Azunymous !NyaaaanhJ6 10/04/11(Tue)19:01 No.20382313
    >>20382279
    Forgot to write, the only way to prove it is with limits, and the people who try to use fractions are grade/high school tier trolls who don't know how to use limits.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:01 No.20382314
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    >>20382279
    >2/3 = 0.67
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:01 No.20382315
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    There is one "flaw" to this proof

    extra internets to those who spot it
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:02 No.20382317
    >>20382198
    >Hilbert's Hotel
    Except that isn't contradictory you idiot. Nice going contradicting your own supporting statement with an example that proves your reasoning incorrect.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:02 No.20382324
    >>20382296

    They are IN FACT the same number.
    Jesus Christ are you really that stupid?
    >> rozeismyroze !lzIoZtnfJk 10/04/11(Tue)19:02 No.20382326
    >>20382296
    but because
    >But when it comes to the language and grammar that we humans agreed to together, they are equal.
    is true for math the they are the same
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:02 No.20382335
    >>20382315
    division by zero

    babby's first contradictory equation
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:03 No.20382339
    >>20382296
    No, they are the same number.

    1/3 * 3 = 3/3 = 1.
    1/3 = 0.3..., where 0.3...'s final digit repeats to infinity.
    Therefore, 0.3... = 1.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:03 No.20382345
    >>20382311
    >9x/x
    9x/9, my bad
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:03 No.20382351
    >>20382279
    > 2/3 = 0.67
    You're doing this on purpose, right?

    It's almost too dumb to be a troll...
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:03 No.20382357
    >>20382317
    An actual quantitative infinite does lead to a self contradiction.

    Imagine an infinite amount of even and odd coins (odd, even, odd, even, .......), If you remove an infinite amount of even coins, you're left with an infinite amount of odd coins. So: Infinity - Infinity = Infinity
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:04 No.20382362
    >>20382315
    A-B = 0

    Divide by zero.
    >> Thebeast !m/khUjdBkQ 10/04/11(Tue)19:04 No.20382373
    >>20382315
    A = 1

    B = 1

    BAM
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:05 No.20382375
    >>20382293
    > i didn't say everything wasn't real
    You can't pick and choose. Any non-physical thing is in the same boat, so if numbers aren't real, nothing else conceptual is.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:05 No.20382385
    Another simple way to put it...
    1/9=.11111....
    2/9=.22222....
    etc. etc.
    8/9=.22222222
    9/9=.99999999999
    ?????
    PROFIT!!!
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:06 No.20382396
    >>20382324
    No they're not, 'A' and 'a' are the same letter, but they're not exactly the same and that's enough to say that they're not in fact equal.

    If they were in fact the same, then a computer would compute 'A' == 'a' as true.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:06 No.20382403
    0.333... is not equal to 1/3.
    Therefore 0.999... is not equal to 1.
    /thread
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:06 No.20382409
    >>20382357
    That isn't a contradiction either, go learn yourself some cardinality of sets.

    For the last time, infinity isn't a number, you cannot apply NUMERIC arithmetic to it like with real numbers.

    I'm arguing with goddamn sunday school children.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:06 No.20382413
    >>20382385
    >8/9=.22222222
    WAT
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:07 No.20382420
    >>20382409
    Yeah, you are, what's wrong with you?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:07 No.20382426
    >>20382413
    Yeah, I derped. Meant .8888888888...
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:08 No.20382430
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    Why do you guys write 0.999..., cant you just write 0.9... and save two characters?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:08 No.20382434
    >>20382403

    whaaaat.....?

    Fuck this thread I'm out.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:08 No.20382441
    >>20382409
    I know you can't, that's why you have to have rules that prohibit certain operations to be applied to infinity.

    In reality it's self contradictory though.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:09 No.20382447
    >people treating infinity like it's a number
    Durr

    Also, auto-trolling thread
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:09 No.20382451
    (1/9) + (89/9) = 10
    .111... + 9.888... = 10
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:09 No.20382454
    >>20382403
    0.333... IS equal to 1/3


    Stop skipping math class kids.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:09 No.20382465
    >>20382441
    but what's fun is you can still evaluate 0 * (1 / 0)
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:10 No.20382472
    >>20382430
    Well technically to use ... you need to make it a pattern first so you SHOULD use more than 1 nine, but since we know that we're talking about 0.999.... it doesn't matter all that much I guess.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:10 No.20382475
    >>20382434
    Because 0.333... approaches 1/3 but is never 1/3. Ever. Assuming the process repeated indefinitely it would never ever equal 1/3. Just because a process never ends doesn't mean we can change the end result to suit us.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:10 No.20382483
    >>20382447
    >Also, auto-trolling thread
    I'm actually actively participating.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:10 No.20382484
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    Come at me limits
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:11 No.20382495
    It is in some situations.

    For instance 1/3 = 0.333333333 repeating when converted to a decimal

    1/3 * 3 = 1 and 0.3333333333 repeating * 3 = 0.9999999999 = 1
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:11 No.20382507
    >>20382475
    It's funny, because 0.333... = 1/3 by the same way that 0.999... = 1. If you didn't skip math class or if you weren't retarded you'd know that
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:11 No.20382511
    >>20382224
    That is correct.

    In my country we've got grades from 1 to 10

    Each semester important classes have a final exam which counts for 1/4 of the final grade.

    So the final grade is grade_avg * 3 + final, everything / 4


    For example, if you get 10, 10, 8 during a semester and a 10 in the final, your grade is calculated like this:

    (10+10+8) / 3 = 9.(3) this is the average of grades obtained during the semester

    9.(3) * 3 = 27.(9)
    27.(9) + 10 = 37.(9)

    37.(9) / 4 = 9.4(9) = 9.5

    And 9.5 gets rounded to a 10
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:11 No.20382515
    >>20382475
    [insert bill nye image macro]
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:12 No.20382526
    >mfw people in this thread are saying ".99 repeating does not = 1 because limits" like they have any idea what limits are
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:12 No.20382528
    >>20382441
    >In reality it's self contradictory though.
    >infinity
    >reality
    Nope, I give up, have fun with your basic cursory understanding of higher mathematics.

    >have rules that prohibit certain operations to be applied to infinity
    Such rules do not exist, arithmetic operations like additions are defined for real numbers like 1 and 1.3, but infinity is not a real number therefore addition for infinity is undefined.
    >> aff !ozOtJW9BFA 10/04/11(Tue)19:12 No.20382532
    1/3 = 0.33'
    2/3 = 0.66'
    3/3 = 0.99' / 1

    so yes, 0.99' is 1.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:12 No.20382535
    Computers, the most logical machines in the world DO NOT think that 1/3 = 0.333...

    They think it equals 0.33333334 (repeated until desired measure of accuracy is reached).
    >> Jim Profit 10/04/11(Tue)19:13 No.20382541
    Bye.
    >> Azunymous !NyaaaanhJ6 10/04/11(Tue)19:13 No.20382547
    >>20382532
    see
    >>20382279
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:14 No.20382560
    >>20382535
    get a better computer bro
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:14 No.20382564
    >>20382535
    Are you seriously that fucking retarded?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:14 No.20382572
    >>20382535
    Because computers cannot into infinity
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:15 No.20382583
    >>20382315
    you can't divide and multiply by zero, faggot
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:15 No.20382584
    >>20382564
    HURR DURR NEARLY GETTING THERE IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME SHE'LL BE RITE MATE!
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:15 No.20382586
    ITT we are retards and don't understand infinite series

    go look up the repeating fraction for the constant e dumbasses
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:15 No.20382600
    >>20382560
    >>20382564
    Why don't you guys provide arguments for that guy instead of insults?

    Honestly what a bunch of punk kids you are in this board, if you have nothing to contribute just sit quietly and read or leave.

    He's a bastard? WELL THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING! Grow up.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:16 No.20382619
    >>20382600
    All that guy did was assert that computers round, which they don't. Provide some evidence for your claim before asking to argue.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:16 No.20382620
    0.99... = undefined
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:16 No.20382622
    >>20382600
    See >>20382572
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:17 No.20382634
    >>20382583
    >you can't divide and multiply by zero
    >can't multiply by zero
    a certain country's public education at work folks
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:17 No.20382644
    >>20382619
    IF THEY DIDN'T ROUND HOW THE FUCK WOULD THEY EVEN OPERATE? SIT THERE CALCULATING FOREVER ARE YOU BRAINDEAD
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:18 No.20382662
    >>20382644
    You are retarded.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:19 No.20382686
    >>20382619
    Ofcourse they round, if they don't then they find another way to stop the infinite calculation of numbers.
    Do you really believe the infinite series of 9's really exist in memory in the computer? It would hang and crash in a matter of seconds.

    For a technology board you guys sure do suck at logical thinking.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:20 No.20382689
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    >falling for trolls
    I seriously hope you guys don't do this
    .999...=1, and exactly 1. Not close to 1, or 1 for all practical purposes, but exactly 1. If I am doing a limit, say, lim(x->o) sin(x)/x, I'll right the answer as 1, even though there is no value for x=0
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:20 No.20382698
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    >>20382535
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:20 No.20382704
    2+2 = 5 for large values of 2
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:21 No.20382713
    ITT: people who dont know how to write decimal numbers as fractions

    eg:
    2.111... = 2+ 1/9
    2.353535... = 2 + 35/99
    ...
    0.999... = 0 + 9/9 = 1


    conclusion: lrn2write decimals as fractions
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:22 No.20382734
    >>20382713
    Actually, the majority of this thread is people that agreed with you.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:22 No.20382739
    >>20382713
    see
    >>20382451
    among numerous others
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:23 No.20382749
    >>20382535
    I really don't know if this guy is for real or not.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:23 No.20382750
    >>20382634
    are you retarded?
    if you're checking if 2+2=5 (clearly just an example),
    you can't multiply both sides by zero and say "oh, well 0=0 so it checks out"
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:24 No.20382764
    ITT people concluding 0.99... equals 1 even though it's impossible to prove the end result of 0.99...
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:24 No.20382766
    >>20382704
    IT'S THE DEVIL'S WAY NOW.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:26 No.20382788
    >>20382734
    >>20382739
    Those demonstrations is like trying to scratch your head with your feet

    You might get desired result, but it's... dumb
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:26 No.20382797
    10/10 op
    >or should I say 9.999.../10
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:27 No.20382811
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    People trying to prove 0 and 9/10 = 10/10
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:27 No.20382812
    >>20382797
    well played
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:29 No.20382843
    No number can be 2 numbers at the same time without rounding.

    Umad retardfags?

    /thread
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:29 No.20382849
    >>20382797
    My life is complete
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:30 No.20382861
    >>20382843
    1/2 != .5?
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:30 No.20382867
    In practice, yes it does.

    A precision of 0.999... is equal to 1 in any real life application you can think of. After a certain barrier the result is so close to 1 that it makes no difference.
    >> Anonymous 10/04/11(Tue)19:30 No.20382881
    what is 1-.999...



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