took me a while to find

>>20165429
links?

We have been using negative mass neutrinos fields for backward time travel.

this is old news, now let us oil our guests up without using our hands

>still not travelling faster than the speed of light
>2011

>>20165543
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15017484

>>20165543
>copy any part of that text
>paste into google
>press enter
>10 million sources
I literally just highlighted "r than the speed of light. Although the results have not yet been made public (a webcast will accompany the release of the paper), rumors of the finding have spread far and " and got
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/09/neutrino-experiment-sees-them-apparently-moving-faster-t
han-light.ars

lrn2google

>The result - which threatens to upend a century of physics - will be put online for scrutiny by other scientists.

We officially live in the coolest damn time ever.

I don't want to hear it, the idea that everything about physics I know might be invalidated seems terrifying ;_;

Probably just timezones

the speed of light needs to be increased

So now we have to reboot physics. Fucking scientific method.

>>20165635
Silly boy, we don't have those things in yurop

How long will God test us?

>>20165630
i thought we were beyond this

>>20165630
Sure is 1476 in here

I wonder how fast the said particles were going?

fuck the police we're breaking the laws of physics now

>>20165742
>In the course of doing the experiments, the researchers noticed that the particles showed up a few billionths of a second sooner than light would over the same distance.

You tell me

>>20165742
1 faster

>>20165742
ill tell you how fast they WEREN'T going
they weren't going light speed.

>>20165742
About ~0.0025% faster
Their accuracy was ~ +/-0.0004%

In more conventional terms: 299,799,953 m/s. vs 299,792,458 m/s

>>20165569
it's not my job to link other peoples sources though.

But I do know how to google.

>>20165789
thats a huge difference
/no sarcasm

>>20165789

>>20165789


NEW GOAL FOR HUMANITY: Find something that breaks 300.000.000 m/s

>>20165836
300 m/s?

>>20165836
neutrinos might be able to, they have only just started measuring thier true velocity and acceleration capabilities

what do neutrinos do

>>20165836

Why so many decimal places/points?

>>20165849
Oh you. Although that guy didn't do it right either.

, -> decimal
" " (a space) -> separation of three digit groups

What's the big deal? It's the speed of light that has supposedly bean broken. Are Neutrinos light? No. There is probably lots of things faster if they bother to check.

Fucking wow. This is going to be some serious shit if it's actually true. What's it going to do to physics if we find out that the speed of light isn't the ultimate limit and that a known particle with a slight mass can actually travel faster?

If they can't push an electron past the speed of light this won't benefit Technology at all.

>>>/sci/

>>20165892
>I flunked physics in high school

>>20165877
I can tell you what they don't do, travel slower that the speed of light

Maybe someone smarter than me can answer this, but how are neutrinos perceived? Obviously, light going as fast as it does is still light to us.

so whats the mass of a neutrino?
could you bottle them and controlled-release them?
equal and opposite reaction and all that jazz, you have a faster-than-light rocket.

induring timetravel

>>20165892
I'm dumb as fuck but I think it goes light has no mass or nothing so it should be the only thing to go as fast as it does ever as NOTHING slows it.

How the fuck are they measuring something going at the speed of light when obviously electronics doesn't even go that fucking fast. Did they use a fucking stopwatch or were they shooting neutrinos to jaoan?

>>20165922
No if this is true then it only proves that time travel is impossible.

>>20165926
Everything has mass. Though a lot of mass is missing from the universe.

>>20165892
Your a fool and ill tell you why.

Light was though to be the fastest particle(Photons) due to them having the lowest mass in the universe.
neutrinos theoretically have negative mass, so they could technically go faster than light, as measured recently. as of now they are the only particle that has shown potential to surpass light speed.

>may

Wow, almost gave a shit.

I wonder what will Steven Hawking will say about this.

>>20165950
entropy.maguka.mkv

>>20165933
They measured it over 500 miles, so it's easy to time.

>>20165926
I think E=MC^2
was disproved quite a while ago bro

>>20165933
Harry Potter Magic

If they did go faster than the speed of light does that not affect how they are viewed? Perhaps the measuring devices just got mindfucked.

This proves that aliens could have made it to Earth! someone contact the history channel we need another ancient astronauts special

What actually this proves probably,
is that in all our previous observations and measurements there was some force affecting speed of light slowing it down very very slightly (losing 0.0025% of its speed)

Therefore its not that things can go faster than light, but the light is slowed down in space by something.

>>20165993
Or maybe......

>>20165600
Yeah, some of us take for granted how fast information travels these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1YqgPAtzho

INB4 everyone is mindfucked

>>20165919
They aren't at all with the human eye

i'm so excited I don't know what to post.

lmao the wikipedia edit war has already begun

>>20165960
>neutrinos theoretically have negative mass
What the fuck are you smoking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino

Christ, people cannot even take the time to read. They do not have "negative mass". Stop pulling this out of your ass. They have a slight mass. These aren't theoretical playthings like tachyons.

I wish I knew what this means but I never took physics

>>20165789
>Their accuracy was ~ +/-0.0004%
>Their accuracy
>accuracy
precision

Everything has mass, even light particles.

>>20166051
see
>>20166046

>>20166051
Wikepedia isn't a great source atm seeing as how the shit they published today makes so many things conflicting.

>>20166051
>theoretical
you keep using that word, i dont think you know what it means
also -1 for citing a Wikipedia article

>>20166052
It means we were wrong for about a century for most things concerning physics.

>>20166071
>>20166081
>>20166082
Then cite a more reliable source claiming that they have negative mass, because the idea of them having actual mass is well-established in physics and cited throughout that fucking article.

Oh fuck.

This is huge.

Like, bigger than the LHC huge.

Like, holy fuck.

>>20166105
>that fucking article
>Wikipedia
couldnt have said it better myself

>>20166088
to call it all wrong is a little drastic, no?
moments haven't suddenly changed.
gravity is still worth precisely 1G.
etc etc

>>20166082
Quick and dirty usage. Theory is being too generous. Regardless, tachyons and other faster-than-light particles have been (at least until possibly now) little more than ideas and playthings.

Einstein confirmed for the worlds greatest troll.

>>20166123
except on jupiter

>>20166115
>WIKIPEDIA LOL WRONG
>Can't be bothered to follow citations to reputed publications pointing out what science has known for years
>Can't supply contrary evidence

Neutrinos have mass. Put up a contradictory source or cram it.

>light takes time to go from one media to another (lolphonons)
How is this news?

Eienstein confirmed for dumbshit.

>>20166143
looks like we need to start doing this again

FTL DRIVES HERE WE COME

WE'LL BE A LEVEL 3 CIVILISATION IN NO TIME

>>20166162
Because now light has gotten fat and cant keep up with the neutrinos

>>20166123
It's right until they prove it wrong tomorrow. Then Science is going to see a boom much larger than it has ever seen before. If they could push an electron past the speed of light in the future it pretty much will open a the door to a new world of technology.

In before mass effects and shit.

>>20166169
That post is the reason why nobody should argue anything remotely serious in these boards.

>>20166169
>I don't have an alternate source, nor can I dispute the citations clearly made in the Wikipedia article for well-founded scientific knowledge
Just fuck off. Citations 35-42 in the article all discuss Neutrino mass. Follow those if you don't like it.

>>20165555
them quads

>>20166169
Everything has mass you idiot.

>>20166220
except neutrinos

>>20166212
dude, just chill, you are visibly mad

>>20166225
haha
/highfive

>implying neutrinos don't have mass
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may/31/science/la-sci-neutrino-20100601

So how long until I get one of these?

>>20166188
Fuck yes. Finally surpassed the Dolphins and shit.

Europe 1 - rest of the solar system 0

>>20166247
>The new finding is important because in the theories now used to explain the behavior of fundamental particles, called the Standard Model, neutrinos have no mass.

>>20166264
As long as it takes to create a propulsion system that can push past the speed of light and a shell that wouldn't collapse on itself due to the great amount of gravity forced on it.

>>20166228
>I have nothing whatsoever to add to this discussion

Is it even possible to have even a semi-serious discussion without this shit on /g/?

It always seemed false to me that "nothing is faster than light". Why light why not Xrays or Gamma radiation which is much more powerful than fucking light?

>>20166296
make the shell out of neutrinos

>>20166288
They oscillate so they do have mass you faggot.

>>20166288
Did you read the whole article? The standard model says that neutrinos should have no mass, yet observations state otherwise. Context. It's important.

>>20166311
no, its just as pointless as you getting angry at letters on a computer screen

>no u

>>20166312
Because they have more mass than light...

>>20166334
>>>/b/
Go over there with the rest of the children. Adults are trying to have a discussion here.

>>20166311
No. Give it up.

>>20166312
>implying energy = speed

This is awesome if this becomes a fact that the speed of light can be surpassed. Text books will have to be changed, my old physics teacher will explode, and Albert Einstein will be rolling in his grave. The future looks bold!

>>20166312
>Xrays and gamma rays
...fucking wow. Go crack an elementary physics book. Visible light, Xrays, and gamma rays are the same fucking particle/wave.

>>20166312
Because they are light you dumbfuck

>>20166382
More correctly, gamma rays and xrays are part of the same spectrum as visible light, they're all light at a different level of energy.

>>20166382
and so is sound and heat

>>20166409
Are you trolling? I really hope you are

>>20166331
>>20166344
Oh God, the stupid coming from these two posts is overwhelming.

>>20166319
>>20166331
my god, he even put a trollface up there retards

>>20166312
>murrikan education system

>>20166438
Shit!
selected the wrong posts.
Sorry.

>>20166352
>projecting
hohoho looks like the big man is here to make everything right
hows middle school by the way

>>20166409
>Implying that sound = photons
I think we should start a fund for your vasectomy.

>believing in science over religion
Theist: 1
Atheist: 0

>>20166312

...
*kills himself*

>>20166064
No, they don't.

>>>/sci/

Pic related

>>>/sci/3781412

well this thread was good while it lasted.

I hope the people shitting it up realize that they're part of a self fulfilling prophecy, as this thread was awesome to begin with.

>>20166547
>was
they all start that way

>>20166568
but this was an ACTUAL technology thread

>America thinks it's so great
>use moon landing as a boasting point shit for years

>Superior Europe
>Not even giving a fuck
>Breaks speed of light
>Not a big deal bros, you're welcome

>>20166620
Thank you so for much for such a JEWEL of a post.

It makes me glad that there are QUALITY posters in this board such as you.

>>20166657
/sarcasm'd HARD
>>20166620
If your so awesome, why don't you go to the moon, oh.....wait.....

>>20166031
That is actually pretty interesting.

Nothing will ever go faster then the speed of light,

EVER.

>>20166760
Next time try not to use German scientists.

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
AGAIN

>>20166620
>laughing when this guy has no fucking clue about the important things that NASA has given the world.

>>20166790
Seconded

>>20166619
>>20166620
>retards not realizing that there are plenty of American scientists at CERN
>Also Asians
>Also many other people not from Europe

Shut the fuck up, seriously.

tachyons

>>20166835
if your not german, then you have no reputation to gain by talking shit, if anything it makes you look lik even bigger ass faggots
America = 1 country
Europe = 50 countries
and you all hate each other

>Speed of light is superseded
>Everything is now measured in neutrino years
>1m changes to 101 cm
Problem, metric fags?

>>20166925
Oh well, I should have said non-American scientist amirite?

>>20166031
>>20166031
>>20166031
>>20166031
>>20166031
>>20166031

Um....

E≠mc^2

Wow we are on a roll guys, first our entire theory of dark matter turns out to maybe not be true, now even rock solid principles like the speed of light are being called into question.

Are we sure the detector isn't just closer to the emitter than they think? I mean the LHC is pretty fucking big, it's easy to lose a few meters if you're off by small amounts here and there.

>>20166790
>>20166873
yah they did a good job explaining the concept, but the movie later uses their interpretation of stuff like this to justify the most RETARDED shit you have ever heard.

>>20166976
no, because they were American at the point when they were developing the Manhattan project, just because we have the best the world has to offer doesn't mean you need to get all asspayned because the best your shitty country ever did was get a sausage made after it.

>>20167007
>implying scientist miss these types of details at CERN
....really?

>>20167021
Well through 4 revisions they missed a simple action-reaction calculation and one of their magnetic constrictors or helium tanks blew up. Wiki has it.

>>20165933
>Send electron from 100km away
>Measure the time it took for it to go from one place to the other.

>>20165960

So if you shot neutrinos at over9000km/s, you'd follow their trajectory?

>>20166881
WOW SON, U BUT ANGREY
I have neer seen sum1 so pooper peeved
u ned to tak chilpil and stop raping your ownasswit with husband
you are the gayest fgt in fgtopia, no u r the mayor

>>20166760
>If your so awesome, why don't you go to the moon, oh.....wait.....
>>20167018
>developing the Manhattan project
Are we even talking about the same thing?

>>20167096
the German scientists i am assuming were the ones captured during WW2?
keep in mind if they left and came on their own, your argument is literally and laughably full of shit.

>>20167038
Listen, the moment you have a result that violates the laws of physics, you are pretty much guaranteed to be looking at miss-calibrated equipment or screwed up calculations. Even's CERN's JANITORS think like this. If they are actually planing to publish something that states that a fundamental physical law is wrong, they must be pretty damn sure.

>>20167156
With that mentality, the Earth would still be considered flat.

>>20167156
the sun also orbits the earth, i dont care what the "books" say

>>20167175
>>20167187
uh wtf?

Do you two idiots actually think I'm wrong about that? You actually think the scientists at CERN measured the speed of a neutrino as faster then the speed of light, and DIDN'T immediately think their equipment was incorrectly calibrated or that someone forgot to carry a 1?

>>20167187
The Earth is the sun I don't care what the scripts say.

>>20167225
or maybe, the equipment was accurate, and your just being a closed off retard, prepare for the possibility faggot

>>20167187

But that's wrong you retard.

The sun and earth orbit each other, the earth only appearing to orbit the sun because of its significantly lower mass.

>>20167225
youve just been hurt feelings and butt ranged
go drink ur moms bredt milk u fart commander
i bet u hav a fetish FOR MEN LMAO
ur just so made all the time its 2 easy 23 own u
"I lik to drnikj sperm from my sperm bottle wile wearing my sperm necklace" - u

>>20167187
In video games it really does.

Or it moves across the sky and then ceases to exist once it passes the horizon.

>>20167225
>Listen, the moment you have a result that violates the laws of physics, you are pretty much guaranteed to be looking at miss-calibrated equipment or screwed up calculations.
>Listen, the moment you find something that's not what we thought it was before, it's automatically false.
All I want to say is that, while this news is certainly not definitive, and that there are obviously going to be further experiments, this should not be discarded as false right now.

>>20167250
no u
everyone knows the entire solar system orbits elenin, which orbits the all might chitulu

>>20167260
why dont you make a picture of these?

Neutrinos probably move at unfathomable speeds. They just slow down when you measure them.

>>20167236
um... OK. I'm actually saying the likely-hood of CERN's result being accurate is exceedingly high. I'm saying that the amount of internal scrutiny this result must of received would of being obscenely extreme.

>>20167292
We are going to need coffee, lots and lots of coffee

>>20167286
Because there are already thousands around, and they've never been funny.

>>20167260
hahaha

>>20167301
And im just saying, its because of dick pipers like you that the scientific community is full of passion-less naysayers

>>20167308
yea, but thats just like, your opinion man

>>20167286
because they already exist. He's actually taking the time to type them out.

>>20167335
lame

>>20167322
>passion
>science
You can be excited about discovery, but you're gonna tell me my skeptisi...
WAIT A FUCKING SECOND. I'M NOT EVEN BEING SKEPTICAL. Deal with it, I'm on your side here.

>>20167335

gb2 pussybaby land where u git own3d by dick
"omg i love sukn dicks and crying to link park" - u
ur butt is evaporating cum bcuz it is steaming wit angr
SUMBUDY IS ANALLY ANGUISHED
its lik u r seeding wit raeg

>>20167358
Then you should have worded your stance more clearly than
>Listen, the moment you have a result that violates the laws of physics, you are pretty much guaranteed to be looking at miss-calibrated equipment or screwed up calculations.

>>20167359
>crying to linkin park
lol

>>20167358
this guy >>20167382 is right, you could have at least acted like you are on my side lol

>>20167411
lol u troled so fukin hard u wan sum ice cream for the ASSBURN?
U cry tears of blud and cum ur mom's penis out your angry butthole

>>20167427
hmm......
do you have strawberry?

>>20166846

That is the best comment in this whole thread.

What's to say that we don't simply have a slightly faster limit on speed.

>>20167427
You're killing me

>>20167436
no it isnt, get out

>>20167444
teh science

>>20167382
Hell no I don't.
That sentence is true.
The moment you have a result that violates a physical law, it's Almost, pretty much, near certainly, guaranteed equipment or calculation failure. Yes. Yes it is. By getting a result like that, you're contradicting something that has being tested to an absurd degree.

Let's say you're doing some measurements with a circuit. You find that your circuit is producing more power then is entering it. Do you think "Holy fuck I have solved the worlds energy crisis" or...

This is what I'm saying. That is what I said.

>>20167448
Oh deer u por little criitr
Iv nevr sen sum1 so anal hrut
Com her and let me hel ur bum wounds
If ponyvil wus hom to troled autsit faggitz ud fit in just fien

>>20167453
>umadbro

>>20167427
>>20167359
>>20167260
these seem to be more funny when you actually take the time to write them out

>>20167444
that's probably the case

>>20167463
i would call the Nobel committee immediately

>>20166018
faster than the speed of light?

>>20167470
>ponyfag
why did you have to go there
inotmad.

>>20167463
There isn't anything inherently illogical about defying every law of physics at once. Don't be so sure of yourself or so confident of what we: a tiny spec in the universe, have discovered.

>>20165993
>What actually this proves probably,

>>20167463
Then the Earth is still flat, because it is something we had established in the past. The Earth not being flat contradicts that and that is enough to say it's not true, no matter the observations.

>>20167500
Oh, you're not?

>>20167500
U r so explodid wit raeg a sonic rainburn can occir
if u had a cutie mrk it would be ur ass filld wit 21 hoers dics
I herd Princess Celestia wans u to mak sum frens here
Im sur thers sumpony who can help fill ur ass with semen laced hrut
ANALCRUSADED
"Hors semen iz my favrit meel of the day" - u

>>20167483
tones of people do

>>20167513
also the sun is a dissapoint, it orbits the earth

>>20167520
only on tuesdays, and maybe saturdays

>>20167501
Its not a physical law.


law=/=theory

>lrn2 e=mc2

First we realize we can pull electrons out of the big empty.
Now we've apparently broken the speed of light.

Get your shit together physics.

>>20167521
haha, thats not how you spell horse

Negative mass eh? Come back when something with more mass than light goes faster than light-speed.

All this changes is that one can't travel faster than neutrinos.

>>20165993
and yet something with mass is totally unaffected by it?

>>20167546
>pull electrons out of the big empty
your mom's asshole?

LEVEL 1: THE BIRTH OF MAN
COMPLETE

LEVEL 2: WW3 AND THE BEGINNINGS OF INTERSTELLAR COLONISATION

>>20167541
>The moment you have a result that violates a physical law, it's Almost, pretty much, near certainly, guaranteed equipment or calculation failure.

This is what I was referring to.

>>20167570
INITIALIZING: CRASH AND BURN
INITIALIZATION COMPLETE.....

>>20167463
Okay.
Remeber when Rutherford did the gold foil experiment?
I think this is a similar situation.

>>20166031
My brain hurts...

>USA
>lands on some obscure Hollywood place to fake the moon landing

>Europe
>finds out that speed of light can be broken and thus making much of modern physics we learn wrong.

>USA
>2011
I feel bad for you americans.

>>20167559
Neutrinos do NOT have negative mass.

>>20167580
Why? A kid would understand it.

>>20167559
Everything has mass.

>>20167609
I understand it but the fact that electrons have FUCKING THOUGHTS?

>>20167593
http://www.universetoday.com/88692/nasa-releases-closer-looks-at-apollo-landing-sites-from-the-lunar
-reconnaissance-orbiter/

>implying we didn't land on the moon
u mad?

>>20167593
You guys are dum

>>20167513
>>20167501
You two are either very stupid or trying to troll, and it is working.

The fact that the earth is round was established way earlier then that. Further, To contradict a physical law, is to contradict all of the work that established it, so you must provide a reason why they were wrong, and explain why everything works.

>>20167572
That's a different guy, Actually I always thought the speed of light was a physical law. The behaviour of mass as it approaches the speed of light. Actually. I'm still thinking the speed of light is a physical law. A theory is a category of study, general and special relativity being theories.

fucking tachyons how do they work

>>20167580
Isn't it obvious? They don't like to be watched so they THINK and act on it.

about time u stupid fags....
I can fart faster than the speed of light...
it smells after i farted...so my fart goes to past and tge fumes apear later....

u mad no lifers???

>>20167620
How does the flag wave in moon, when there's no wind, faggot?

>>20167628
Then please refer to >>20167579.

>>20167658
not getting into this, watch mythbusters
>>20167636
its the process involved with watching them that causes them to behave differently

>>20167632
They don't work because they don't exist.

>>20167628
adendum. Oops, thought you said middle ages. Lots of strawmen getting thrown around today.

>>20167593
>My face when CERN got the general idea for a particle accelerator from Fermilab in Chicago
>My face when Europe couldn't have done this without America's insight into particle accelerators

Also
>My face when there are a large number of American scientists at CERN

>>20167551
WOW SON, U BUT ANGREY
I have neer seen sum1 so pooper peeved
u ned to tak chilpil and stop raping your ownasswit with husband
you are the gayest fgt in fgtopia, no u r the mayor

>>20167675
>not getting into this, watch mythbusters
cool ad-ignorantum, amerifat.

>>20167667
All I know about that experiment was that it had something to do with radiation. I'm reading now.

>>20167593
but you are just proving your own theories wrong, I can correct my own misspellings it doesn't make me the greatest thing ever.

>bawww laws of physics
Our laws are nothing more than our current explanations for and understandings of the Universe.

If it turns out that this is entirely accurate/true, all it means is that our explanations and theories have to be rethought and expanded a bit. Hell, perhaps the particle doesn't actually go faster than the speed of light, but in fact creates an illusory

There is no speed limit of the universe.
The information propagation of entangled electron is instant.
You can't travel faster then instant.

Everything I know is a lie, a fucking LIE!

>>20165907
Sure, communication speeds might increase when using neutrino based communication instead of light based communication.

>>20167708
>2011
>Not knowing that there's no air resistance in space, nor enough gravity on the moon to have "pulled" the flag "down"

>>20167739
You can if you install gentoo

>>20167739
>implying information is being sent
>implying you understand physics
>implying you're not bustfrosted fagstick

>>20167734
That's what I'm thinking the result will be, something convoluted was happening to make it appear that way.

This is depressing. Everything we learnt is wrong!

>>20167739
gb2 pussybaby land where u git own3d by dick
"omg i love sukn dicks and crying to link park" - u
ur butt is evaporating cum bcuz it is steaming wit angr
SUMBUDY IS ANALLY ANGUISHED
its lik u r seeding wit raeg

Can anyone put this is layman's terms what this means for the future?

>>20167864
Einstein was wrong
Everything we thought we knew about the universe is false.

>>20167864
Nothing because nothing's been confirmed

What it means if anything is an amazing amount of trollage on /sci/

>>20167864
fuck if I know. Best case scenario? Time travel. Most realistic scenario? Nothing.

>>20167864

Jack shit.

>>20167864
BREAST MILK

BREAST MILK ERRYWHERE

>Europe
>figures out some obscure fact that some bullshit particles go faster then light
>turns out to be wrong, nothing is faster then the speed of light and nobody is smarter then our bro einstein

>USA
>goes to the fucking moon, NASA contributes decades worth of knowledge to society
>be the badasses of the solar system, bitches be mirin

>Europe
>2011

>slightly faster
That's an exaggeration. This needs much more research and 3rd-party verification to make sure it wasn't some stupid mistake that the scientists overlooked because "we couldn't possibly be so stupid as to make such an obvious error"

I'm doing a physics course right now.

Does this mean I have to re-learn everything?

god damnit.

>>20167911
No. Most of the shit you learn if physics is wrong, but useful.

>>20167904
>NASA contributing shit to the world

>>20167942
>learn in* physics

Am I the only one who knows of the Muon experiments in the atmosphere?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muons

Basically a long time ago they tested how long Muons take to reach the surface of the earth from the atmosphere and, by measurements, it turns out they shouldn't be able to cause their life time (or whatever you call it) expires well before that so they shouldn't, theoretically, ever reach the surface of the Earth. However, experiments proved that they actually did touch the Earth surface. What did that mean? That meant that, at such high velocity (close to c) time and space act weird and the observer's point of view matters when doing calculations and measurements. Muons actively lived for their lifetime, however scientists not moving as fast as Muons measured a different time. Both are correct and Einstein is proven right.

I think this may be the same case, they are probably forgetting something in the point of the observer/observee.. It's just a small detail they forgot and it will eventually turn out to be false and that the neutrinos actually are moving close (or equal to) speed of light.

I know, those are reputable scientists and everything... but journalists are not... probably someone said "hey wait, this shit is weird and shouldn't be happening. Better check our results again" and a journalist understood "OH MY GOD THIS WILL CHANGE THE LAWS OF PHYSICS FOREVER, EINSTEIN IS WRONG AND WE ARE ABLE TO TIME TRAVEL AND SWITCH DIMENSIONS"

nope

>>20168166
>dumbfag

Please don't post again.

>>20168166
I agree with you.

>>20168204
I am now confused.

just a normalfag here, but is it possible that the earths rotation has something to do with this?

>>20168235

>>20168204
cool rebuttal bro.

>>20168235
The coriolis force MIGHT have something to do with it, I do not know how the experiment was placed but the distance is very close and it's at ground level so it shouldn't matter much. Also, I hope they calculate that in the experiment...

>>20168247
care to explain further than a reaction image?

I'm probably wrong, and I just want to know that they incorperated (or negated) the effects of the earths movement in space.

>>20168235
no, but its velocidensity may affect the results.

This factor is well known and compensated for however.

>>20168267
Do you think they dealt with the movement of the galaxy in space as well? Don't forget that the whole universe is travelling a little down and to the right.

>>20168267
>implying even if it made one tiny fuck of a difference that top physicists would forget about the motion of earth

lol but if drop apple then apple goes flying at 600mph becuz earth moving

>>20165429
I love seeing a legitimate thread on /g/. Also great that it's successful

>>20168267
No.

>>20168334
but pebbl wont drop through bcz gravity cant apple

>>20168316
the universe moves at astonishing speeds (can't remember the actual numbers but just the earths rotation is in the 100,000km/h range)

>>20168321
that's why I'm saying that I'm probably wrong. I just want to be certain that that isn't the stupid as fuck mistake they make

>>20168334
but the apple is moving with the earth. I'm thinking that maybe neutrino's dont, sort of like how light from a moving object doesn't travel faster than the speed of light.

>>20168362
well then don't post if you don't have anything to say, then don't say anything

>that feel when you ask a simple question just to make sure no one is making a stupid mistake, and everyone starts insulting you for it

fuck you /g/uys

>>20168166
>thinks he remembers basic relativity but CERN did a forgot

>>20168396
that's not what I said.... I said they could've forgotten some details in the experiment or may have overseen some stuff. It happens, especially when coordinating such an experiment over different countries.

Also, the scientists are probably aware of that and are fixing and working on it, it's the journalists that probably mistook everything they heard and spread a shitstorm of wrong ideas/opinions.

60 nanoseconds is a HUGE difference, it's probably some calculation/machine error, I doubt people had NEVER witnessed such a huge difference before.

>>20167761
>>20167761
> implying it won't be the excepted view in 50 years when were using quantum computers that send petabytes of info anywhere instantaneously

>>20168718
>excepted
I'm bumping this thread.

Also entangled particles are still "connected"

>>20168316
actually , that seems like a possibility. however, as has been stated, 60 nanoseconds is ALOT.

on the larger picture- true, good science following the scientific method, will from time-to-time obliterate our most deeply held truths as we peel back the layers of the scientific onion in our understanding of the workings of the universe.