>2011
>not a glorious master race NEET

Fat gross face

>>19890845
That's Jordan.

No it's BLANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I miss the REAL Jordan.

I miss when people didn't say they missed things.

>>19890898
Implying you're Jordan.

efukt.com/20911_Man_Of_The_Year.html

>dat real jordan

get the fuck out of here.

Stop proving that /g/ is 99% fat retards that love playing computer games and want a job without any effort, it's completely unrealistic. Get a real education and a real job, not a job out of what you do because you're a lazy fatass with no skills.

>>19890876
You realize he never left right? He changes his trip like every month.

Anyone have anything to contribute?

>>19890920
>efukt.com/20911_Man_Of_The_Year.html
That can't be. Please tell me that isn't Jordan. ;_;

>>19890964
it is

>>19890964
Sorry, bro.

>>19890995
>>19891007
No, it isn't. Fuck, no, I don't believe you. Why would he ever do such a thing. ;_;

>>19891020
Jordans gonna jord.

>>19891064
I'm never replying to one of his posts ever again. I'm shocked.

>>19890920
am i the only one who anticipated someone to walk in on him?

http://i52.tinypic.com/2a7z7l2.jpg
dat micropenis

>>19891143
I don't even know what to say. What leads a man to do this to himself?

>>19891143
>implying it's not his fat that's hiding his beautiful penis

>>19891159
It probably is, but why doesn't he lose some weight?

>>19890775
>IT job market
According to department of labor statistics last time I checked, IT jobs (specifically related to software programming) are being created at a rate of 50k/year MORE than the amount of graduating engineers the US produces.

Who makes up the difference here? Foreigners (smelly Indians and Middle Easterns who usually are trained in "Visual Studio" and are only effective as low-level programmers not independent engineers), and people in other fields with degrees hopping over because they see the money and don't care that they aren't really qualified.

Yes, having a degree makes you a lot more noticeable to hiring managers (most of which have degrees.) That + experience make you a known quantity. Otherwise it's always a risk to hire somebody who says they're great but couldn't even stay focused for 4 years to get a degree. Ignoring all else, on average a degree gets you 25% more pay over your lifetime. If your resume doesn't have one listed it just tells me you didn't care enough about your life to get it done.

>>19891409
Well then, would you say that someone with A+ Security+ MCITP and having a CCNA with an associates degree be beneficial?

>>19891495
My bad, network+

1. Go to a 4 year university
2. Work for school's IT for more than you make now as a student
3. ????
4. Profit, you fat uneducated fuck.

>>19891495
I'm a software engineer; although I've worked with network guys who had A+ etc. I don't know much about it. I do know that when a company is looking to hire someone dirt cheap, that's when we might pull people out of the pile without a degree.

For network guys, certifications can help a lot. Even with a lower economy people with skills that most can't do (technical in this case) always have opportunities. And to keep it in perspective, average salary across the US is only 50k and minimum wage is like 18k or something. I doubt you're making such a small amount as even a beginner networking guy.

>>19891545
Not bad at all, I only ask because that's pretty much where I want to go for the next 4-5 years, study, get experience, get certs, and get a degree.

Specifically for the certs, and getting a degree as a bonus for employers.

And work for more certs and gaining whatever experience I can get.

>>19891409
I hate the stigma that is tied with not completing a 4 year degree. Not everyone is a trust fund kiddie with a flexible schedule required for full time classes. I'm working towards my final "year" right now but it's going to be another two or three since I can only get a class or two each semester that works around my schedule.

>>19891409
Looks like somebody payed attention at the career fair in high school.

25% blah blah blah. Also costs a lot of money and four years you could have in experience.

OP, if you want a non-menial job, what non-menial jobs do you know how to do?

Puppet is in high demand and rising very quickly if you want to go that route.

Also I don't see how you want to go into networking while you're not even CCNA and know shit about networking. Read up and go for a CCNA if not CCNP.


>>19891545
A+ means you can swap HDDs, install RAM, and not really much else. Certifications (except Cisco) mean nothing, I've met so many clueless people with the wildest certifications. Unsurprisingly most of them Microsoft Certified this and Microsoft Certified that.

>>19891500
net+ and more generally all comptia certs above a+ are useless. if you already have a+ then get your ccna and decide what cisco certification specialty you want to take from there.

>>19891617
>>19891605
Sounds like cisco is about the only worth while cert in the industry eh?

Because you actually have to know your shit right?

And yea got the A+ so that covers the other shit I suppose.

>>19891545
>18k
Too high

>>19891545
OP here, not the guy you were replying to, but I currently make less than $10/hr as the sole "admin"/IT guy for the midwest's largest vinyl manufacturer. It's horrible pay for the work, but I'm at a school with cheap tuition and IT jobs are nonexistent in this rural area. Gotta take what I can get at the moment.

I used to live in the city a couple hours away making $15-$20/hr. Like I said, they were only short term contract positions, though. Not being able to find a long term job is the reason I decided to go back to school.

>>19890775
where are you living?

in seattle IT unemployment is running around 2%. same in bay area. if you live in shitstain, usa or fuckington, europe, move.

also, find a tech oriented temping agency like volt, start getting some work. make a shitty android app so you can be sent out on jobs looking for mobile dev experience.

meanwhile, a friend of mine is doing web dev with NO degree (just 6 years of freelance experience) for 80K a year for a prominent game company. you actually have some paper saying you have a skill. if you don't want to move, find a little start up or start taking craigslist dev jobs until you have a portfolio that gets you work.

i mean, i've got friends who haven't even graded high school working at google's new branch in seattle. they just have a little job experience, which you have now too you clod.

hustle.

>>19891602
>Not everyone is a trust fund kiddie with a flexible schedule required for full time classes.
mfw my parents live in the ghetto and I had to earn scholarships or not go to college; and work minimum wage jobs 20-30 hours a week the full 4 years so I could buy textbooks, pay for gas, fix shitty $500 car because we didn't have money for anything better, etc.


>>19891409
>Looks like somebody payed attention at the career fair in high school.
Paid attention, but I graduated 8 years ago. During recessions and layoffs I have still managed 5 raises of 10-20k EACH. Without the degree, no way I could move up.

>25% blah blah blah. Also costs a lot of money and four years you could have in experience.
4 years of low-level menial experience like this other guy is finding out. He could work another 10 years fixing hard drives and it won't count for shit. And yeah, if you ignore making an extra 25% you are a chump. The people who make a lot of money without a degree are the rare exception.

>>19891655
Yes. CCNA and above are the only meaningful certs in IT. That's how I see it. I do IT for a medium sized company and I glance over people's resumes to advise the recruiters from HR.

Knowing Cisco means you can also work with most other networking hardware.

Go for the CCNA it is one of the only entry level certs that will actually get you a job by its self after you get that go for security+ or CNNP/CCNV

>>19891605
Just because someone hasn't had time to study enough to be comfortable taking the second CCNA exam doesn't mean that they don't know anything about it or other technologies.

>>19891706
>50k-100k raise over the 4 years immediately after college.

I don't think so Tim.

>>19891752
The idea is that you get CCNA on your own dime and time but after you get hired you can negotiate with the company to pay for further CCs.

>>19891756
Ok, I can understand that. But if you're not comfortable working on networking hardware then I wouldn't want you working on it anyway.

>>19891752
CCNP not CNNP

>>19891761
I said 8 years. I started low (40k) and ended at 90, but I worked with commercial real estate which got hit hard by, you know, that whole industry collapse. So I see it as a pretty big accomplishment that I was able to get raises at all. Ended at 90k; went independent, 150/hour rate now. Avoiding a masters and studying on my own, but may be forced to go back so I can break 200/hour.

>>19891804
>graduate high school 8 years ago as you said
>4 years to do college
8-4=4. You spent 4 years working.

Did you really go to college? This is pretty basic arithmetic, didn't have to take any derivatives or anything.

uneducated non Medical field bastards

>>19891849
>Medical

Don't you guys have bullshit certs that populate the medical field with like 95% certs that you don't need?

I always thought that it would be cool to do nursing and other things like that, but it's becoming too over populated so I did computers.

>>19891842
When I say I graduated 8 years ago, I mean graduated college. Sorry if that confused you, but in the real world nobody gives a shit when or where you graduated high school.

I know that feel op.

I'm going for my first day tomorrow for $12 as an it technician.

>>19891860

I'm a UC med student, most honarruburu state atm. The indians took over CS and ECE, bio majors struggle to get all the way up here... but our Asian parents hoped for us having a better salary than you guys. JUST GO TO A 4 YEAR AND GRAD SCHOOL IN THIS ECONOMY DAMNIT.

>>19891925
awesome. maybe you'll be able to afford a suit that fits.

>>19891605
Yeah. I was at a family shindig during labor day and one of the family friends (who is in the military for an IT MOS) asked if planned on getting certs.

I see them as scams really, so I'm not getting it unless I absolutely have to, especially since they started making it where you have to periodically renew it.

>>19892008
>complaining about renewing once every three years
Three years is a lifetime in the IT world. Technologies commonplace today were only in their infancy three years ago. Technology changes, and exams are updated along with it. I can completely understand the reasoning behind it.

If you were an HR person, would you take much note of someone who was an MCSE, even if it was for win2k?

>>19892064
Trick question, I treat any MS certification with contempt.

>mfw I have more job security and better wage than most of the cs graduates I know
>mfw I an a cs graduate and I work on a farm

>>19891409

The fuck is this shit? I was making too much money in college to warrant sticking around. The hell are you smoking? Custom application development boy!

>>19891143
lol, poor jordan

I'm a MALE Practical Nurse (1 year course) making $23/hr. Feels good man.

inb4 male nurse jokes

>>19892514
I fucked guys like you in prison.

I just fell into a frontline tech support job with a reputable company, that allows me to travel to expos around the world for enourmous pay.

I do not have a single formal qualification.

>>19892514
also forgot to say, JOB IS EVERYWHERE

really feels good man

>>19892547
like they say, its not what you know its who you know

>>19892555
Exactly. I say I fell into it but I have a friend who has worked there for many years, he offered me the job and set it up with his boss. I didnt even get an interview.

Seriously guys, make some friends.

>>19892568
how much you make an hour? No interview? Sounds shady, asian boss?

>>19892590
No, he's an englishman. I make £9 per hour at the company, and £120 per day overseas, expenses paid.

>>associates degree
>>ass-o-certs degree

>>figures you have a shitty job

>>19892568
Being social and knowing how to talk to people is such a major part of it. I've got an upcoming contract coming up in a month or two for an international company that's about to expand.
I'll not only be helping them move, but they want to completely update their network infrastructure.

At the same time I'm a barista on the side. At the same time i'm studying (CS and CST), while continuing to network and build contacts.

So far every job I've done has gotten bigger and bigger. Not only that I'm taking any certification course i can and getting pointers from my friends at DOD.
So far I've had employers skip interviews all together and just hand jobs over a silver platter when they have them.

stay busy /g/entoo-men!

>>19892639
sorry I've repeated myself a few times here..