So, the gates are open at last.

I'll be monitoring the site's progress.

>I think we'd all like to discuss

Nope. canv.as is pretty old news and no one cares but /b/.

>reddit (ugh)
And now I know you're from /b/ so it makes sense.

...what has he wrought upon this world

Wait, why is there a big facebook button on the signup page? Please don't tell me...

>During the beta phase we are using Facebook to help validate users.

No thanks.
Hopefully this will give moot some well deserved money and maybe even upgrade 4chans servers.
But probably not...

You know, the entire concept is cancer.

It's flawed at it's core - it's a site that sets out to make something which CANNOT be made on purpose, or with an intended direction. There is no quality control, there is only a well-oiled machine with distinct tools and guidelines for creating content.

Consider reddit's "rage-comics". This is what we are looking at people.

Worst case, you get an unending stream of worthless content making it's way to the internet, propagating it's meaningless messages to every last decimal in the IP-range.

This thing, canv.as, is a cancer machine.

"Fools", said I, "You do not know -
canv.as like a cancer grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you"
But my words, like silent raindrops fell
And echoed
In the wells of ignorance

>>19863902
Am I misinterpreting you or are you saying reddit isn't shit?

>>19863991
Much like 4chan it depends on where in reddit you're at.

If people went to /b/ to judge 4chan everyone would hate it.

Hell, 4chan has plenty of subreddits.

>>19863991
No, that's what he said. Apparently hating Reddit for being an awful site with an awful premise and awful userbase is LULSORANDUMXDDD these days, and can't be an opinion held by anyone who knows what they're talking about.

It's like 4chan for kids.

>>19864012
>4chan has plenty of subreddits

4chan has a smattering of boards. 8.8/10, I'm mad.

>>19863991

Hmm, why would you hate on all of reddit? Is it because of the frontpage or the most popular subreddits?

That is akin to hating on all of 4chan thanks to /b/...

I bet you there are a big percentage of users of both sites that enjoys the other one.

>>19863902
reddit has some strong points, but it's being drowned in the stupidity of it's user base.

I know that sounds hypocritical coming from a post on 4chan, but that's not the standpoint I'm arguing from, and if it was:

The stupidity you find on 4chan is a self-aware kind of idiocy. It's heaps of stupid shit. But everyone knows it's stupid.

On reddit? Not so much. It's filled with serious people, while kind and good spirited, extremely naive, and hypocritical. A collection of anti-semites, not in it for humour, but honesty.

Honest ignorance is the worst kind of ignorance, and the most dangerous.

say what you want but the servers are pretty stable and you can pretty much make any board you want.

also its registration based which means no spam, no faggots posting cp.
Actual scope for decent conversation if enough smart people start using it.

Their tech area/group is pretty nice too.

>>19864052
I'm talking about on reddit.
>>19864064
I've had no issues with it, where exactly do you go?

>>19864062
>>19864012
reddit is shit just because of its stupid karma system alone

>>19864082
>I'm talking about on reddit.
Oh. Well, at least I can be proud of my ignorance for once.

>>19863966
Scarcity creates or increases value.

canv.as takes away the scarcity.

If that's what meant by "worthless content", I agree.

>>19864087
Heh, well it's good that we have options such as 4chan then. :D

>>19863875
Fuck canv.as

>>19864130
>:D

get out

>>19864143
How's hating everything?

>>19864143
Shut up you nigger :D

HTML 5

>>19864082
It's everywhere.

The only way out is sticking to niche subreddits.

As for the karma system, it's a terrible thing.

It discourages discussion.

I could write a few paragraphs, containing what I know to be errors, and nobody would question it - people rarely seem to take a stance, because they lack knowledge. Instead, they upvote because they do not understand.

If I wrote a few paragraphs, about a subject, containing no opinions, but factual observations with no conclusions, which happen to stray away from the average redditors world view, how does the redditor respond?

By downvoting. The system discourages discussion. Therefore you get this silent fanboyism permeating the entire system.

Karma-whoring, and all that stuff only makes it worse.

>about a subject I think we'd all like to discuss:
>canv.as

Reported.

>Reddit is mentioned around 18 times ITT
>go on reddit.com
Dat GUI. fuck, its so ugly

>>19864143
>>19864181
And jew, faggot etc. ;D

>>19864207
>implying the mods will do anything
It's moot's site.

>>19864203
So in other words, you tried reddit, got downvoted for your bad opinion, and now you swear off it for life?

>I'm not as tech-savvy as I'd like to be. What kind of software and technologies is canv.as based on?

From memory of the job application they had
they were using django
><input type="hidden" name="csrfmiddlewaretoken" value="b330b25263fc30222d09e76cc9b5814d">
yep they still use that

http://canv.as/jobs/software_engineer
Look at the technologies they list.

I'd be interested if they manage to increase the performance of the site via various optimisations. Personally though, the website is too intensive on javascript at the moment. They need to work on that while keeping all the important features.

>>19864246
Are you retarded?

>>19864203
I've given this a little bit of thought before.

I think reddit might become better if only single posts and threads receive karma - the user can't rack up loads of karma on his account(s).

And I'm not so sure if the downvote arrow is needed. It's good for getting rid of the hateful and spammy stuff, but really bad for a lot of other stuff.

>>19864237
why don't you report it. Technically it is against the rules "Advertising". Although thats ONLY if moot or someone who is on the canv.as staff posted the thread.

>>19864246
No, it's for the most part based on observations, and a few test posts done some time ago.

I don't post on reddit, I've only been acquainted for short periods on and off lasting several years.

>>19864203
>Instead, they upvote because they do not understand.
If you truly make an intelligent post in either direction, they are more likely to downvote because of that. The average redditor doesn't like confirmation bias when he has to think about it.

Often, some guy will make a lolsorandumb herpdederp reply and get you downvoted further.

>>19864279

This thread is hardly advertising. He's asking about what technology is used to create the site.

>>19864274
If it's necessary to keep as much of the current system as possible, then there should be a upvote button and a report button, which requires you to specify why you're reporting the post, with options for spam, hateful content, and opinions I disagree with. Reporting costs karma. Twice as much if you report using the last option.

>>19864279
It's not any more of an advertisement than posting about the latest apple gadget.

It's well within the confines of normal and accepted posting.

Granted, the flexibility of the wording does make it possible to report, but doing so is not only hypocritical, it's down-right disgusting.

>>19864306
Sounds like more anal pain.

>>19864313
oh boy, prepare for the shitstorm/bitchfest and people making shitposts in hopes of public bans

>>19864347
Gah, it sounds like this would need A LOT of moderation. Guess there's a reason for why neither reddit or 4chan have changed that much in recent years...

>>19864313
Do ho ho, and so the plot thickens...

>>19864247
Interesting, it's all familiar technology.

I really like this.

>>19864366

>>19864399
As far as ORM/MVCs goes Django is the best I've used. No need to fuck about with regenerating tables, its truely database independent in terms of the initial development process at least.

nice gif playback it has

>>19864436
isnt that just down to your browser though?

>>19864366
Let's not turn this into a metathread prematurely.

>>19864388
I was thinking a lot of it would be automatic, a single thread would be weighted by activity, and enough independent reports (congruent with the thread weight) would result in the downvoting of a post. Abnormalities would alert a mod, as would any extremes. A single report wouldn't do anything, even in a slow thread, but a few reports in a slow thread would be enough to adjust a posts' standing. Similarly, you'd require more reports to adjust posts in faster and more populated threads.

>>19864399
Django seems like a bit of an odd choice for a site that doesn't appear to be extremely complex. It's really, really nice to develop in but rather slow for a site aimed to gather a billion views per second.

Then again, that pretty much applies to every framework out there, and I'm sure there's worse. Still, it looks like it'll need a reddit-style caching setup with a retarded amount of cache layers.

>>19864451
apparently not. it has an integrated "gif player" with pause button and fast loading speed. Okay, latter is probably better because the server bandwidth is not as shitty as 4chan's.

no me gusta.

>>19864463
>cache layers.
Can you explain this?
Personally I think they might just shit everything into memcached and then scale up that way as they need to maybe?

>>19864531
Oh boy.

When I last cared for reddit, they had:
- Akamai caching completely static pages for pretty much the entire site for people without a valid login cookie
- S3 for images
- memcached caching individual page bits, such as links, individual link text in HTML, comment trees, comments
- Cassandra caching user-specific data like the frontpage layout for 10 minutes, as well as Markdown -> HTML converted versions of the comments
- Their server software doing some very basic caching shit like the subreddit list
- PostgreSQL as final, real, authoritative data store

Layer upon layer upon layer with frequent breakage and downtime.

>>19864531
>>19864634
And the worst part, they never cached full page HTML for logged in users. You could see stuff like the ad code changing every F5. This despite the fact that the logged-in-user frontpage is cached at other layers for 10 minutes or until invalidated through unsubscribing.

In short, they missed something that results in a billion memcached retrieves. I actually went over that part of the code and derped.

>>19864678
>>19864634
They're talking about canv.as, what this thread is about, not reddit.

>>19864691
Yes, and I'm talking about reddit's fairly retarded use of excessive technology to solve one problem caused by making a decision very similar to the one canvas made.

>>19864734
4chan uses table CSS from the early 90s, not sure I really care that Reddit has bad technology as well.

>canvas

Okay, so people:
upload image (they got it somewhere, probably some other site), it gets chmod a+rw
edit it using brushes made from other such images
rate it with variations of like buttons
no brain activity involved nor needed
...
It's the worst the present day Internet has to offer combined into single site! 4chan at least has *some* original content and borderline thoughtful discussion, even /b/, but this?

>>19864754
And 4chan still looks beautiful with its tables. I honestly don't think the site could benefit from using divs at this point.

>>19864809
4chan needs userstyles to not look like ass. I've never needed to use a style for reddit.

>>19864787
its all down to the users. if the users are smart the content will be too.
Still waiting for a canv.as 2.0 where you can edit movies.
>ORIGIONAL IDEA DO NOT STEAL

The whole 4chan site is fairly user unfriendly, but look what appealing to the masses gets you.

>>19864832
But what's the point?

It's not made with love or desire, it's just a mechanic process.

>>19864834
Agreed. But for 4chan improvement we probably will have to wait until canvas is bust.

>>19864769
they need to put more meme stickers on there so i can put a trollface on various images.
Also moot if you are monitoring this thread, try to get some core events on canv.as. Stuff like /v/'s GSL threads, or /a/'s Tiger and Bunny threads on there. Tie it in with actual events, like the olympics coming up. if you cater to those groups, they'll appreciate a forum apon which they can easily edit images and comment.

I know half the time in gsl/SC2 threads when i want to post a simple image that ive shooped, it takes about 30 minutes and the moment is gone.

>>19864754
>table css design

hey bro

the two are polar opposites

its a table layout, instead of the much superior css div layout

>>19864832
>Still waiting for a canv.as 2.0 where you can edit movies.
Uh, you mean YTMND?

Jesus christ, I want to leave the internet

I don't like the concept, so I unfortunately won't be visiting it. I do hope many people get to enjoy it, though.

>>19863966
>It's flawed at it's core - it's a site that sets out to make something which CANNOT be made on purpose, or with an intended direction. There is no quality control, there is only a well-oiled machine with distinct tools and guidelines for creating content.
Sounds like 4chan to me.

>>19864210
Do you remember the first time you went on 4chan?

Do you remember the confusion?

>>19864948
>superior css div layout
Maybe but I hate retarded layouts that suffer from divitis = inflamation of div tags.

when a single page has 400 div tags you know something has gone fucking wrong.

>>19865016
Trying too hard, aren't you?

>>19865016

Yes but even more image based which makes it crap.

4chan works at being funny and innovative because there is no permadamage. someone didn't like your shit? so what, you're still anon, nobody will ever know it was you.

reddit, canvass, etc. = "hurrr durrr look at me I'm funny gimme karma/stickers" = guaranteed circlejerks and common-denominator-pasta

>4chan is played out, what do I do now?
>Wait, people love posting images on 4chan
>People also love reddit
>LETS COMBINE THE TWO
>BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED I AM CANV.AS
Horrible.

>>19865136
>"hurrr durrr look at me I'm funny gimme karma/stickers"
tripfags

>>19865136
to be honest this is no different than tripfag circlejerks

>>19865181
>>19865176
yeah but there's no counter/highscore for tripfags where you can see "derp all these people liked what I said". besides, they're a minority

>>19865181
It's world of difference, best experienced by visiting reddit itself.

Although I wouldn't recommend it.