>my anus is ready

>australia

>browsing /v/ and /g/

Those faggots are going to have to eat their words pretty fucking soon.

In fact, Notch should just kill himself for making such a shitgame into such a bloated piece of fucking crap.

"and here is a million pixels"
"err, i mean, a trillion, seven trillion pixels. just a whole lot of pixels, haha!"
>claims
>claims
>later
>claims

it's cool how some of the co-workers don't give a fuck and continue wasting their time with vidya while interviewed.

>septic

Oh god. I was really, really hoping he put that voice on. But it's real.

>>19344499
i would too if i had been granted two millions for scanning a rock

>unlimited detail
>scamming investors for unlimited money

>>19344499

>dude has aspergers and can't talk to cameras
>suddenly entire work is fake

>>19344531
do you think they can scan the amount of money they scamed

so its not a scam? y/n

>>19344523

>playing a video of "unlimited detail" rendered on supercomputers over several months to get venture capital
>still doesn't look realistic enough
>nobody that really likes games gives two shits because graphics got good enough ten fucking years ago and any modern graphic "detail" is just fucking distracting to GAMEPLAY
>GAMEPLAY
>GAMEPLAY
>REMEMBER THAT KIDS? OH WAIT, NO YOU DON'T
>fuck modern graphics
Told.

would the phrase 'unlimited detail' be enough for people to realize its not what they say?

i mean shit, carmack is probably the one developer left thats legit and i actually respect

Still no demo? Oh, okay.

>>19344553
BOOM! ROASTED.

>Interview with a no name website.
Sure, there is no way its fake or anything.

>>19344559

There's a video of him playing the fucking thing.

>>19344561
>BUM ROASTED
ftfy

>>19344537
He has no real clue about the technicality behind it, but knows enough to sound convincing. Note how the guy always rests on 'common beliefs' instead of explaining the UNLIMITED detail.

>>19344571
When does he start playing it? All I see is the same video just playing in the background.
And by demo, I'm talking about a binary that anyone can freely download and play.

>>19344684

You want to ruin them? They streamed it off their mainframe, he could control it with a controller.

(about 10 minutes in)

>>19344684
>>19344684
>I'm talking about a binary that anyone can freely download and play.

They can't release it because it's top seekret.

In fact: it's so top seekret that they can't let any journalists within 500 meters of the code because they might steal it.

Just give them all your money and they will make you richer than Bill Gates. (not a a scam.)

Watching.
I'm a skeptic about it, so hoping to be enlightened.

>>19344702
Watched to 11:30.. no such claim was made. Give me an exact time or I am calling BS.

>everyone hineydisgruntled that isnt a scam
Come on, guys.

Dat gay Australian lisp

>>19344776

what do you mean by claim? I'm buffering it now and can give timing for when he starts navigating.

5 minutes in, he's still talking to the guy from hardocp like he's a retard.

Still sounds like horseshit, hope it gets better.

>>19344824
the claim that they streamed it off a mainframe.

>>19344849
When he does the demo on the Asus G73, he unplugs the network cable and turns off the wireless to debunk that.

>>19344849

Of course he doesn't say that. I don't think he said it runs on the notebook either. But insists that this runs on software only.

>>19344776
It's more like 20 minutes in. 22 to be exact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVB1ayT6Fdc

NO PLEASE DONT LET IT BE TRUE, NOTCH SAID ITS NOT TRUE!!! :(((((

MUST BE FUCKING SCAM

>>19344702


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVB1ayT6Fdc&feature=player_detailpage#t=1330s

this is exactly the same as what was said before.

still solves none of the issues that makes this completely unsuitable to be used in gaming environments which is exactly what they were touting it for.

>>19344945

It's a tech demo, retard. What are you expecting?

>>19344945
Go on

Am I the only one here who actually wants this to be true?

I mean, why do you guys have to be so negative towards something that could be a breakthrough in video game graphics? At least give the guys a chance.

inb4 hurr grafix are shit they dont matter heuehue gameplay!!

Would you rather play a good game with shitty graphics, or a good game with good graphics? I know my choice.

>>19344959
I don't know what all the bullshit "hur fake so obvious" comments are about either. I can't wait.

>>19344950

A demo of actually useful tech would be a start.

>>19344959
>>19344972
They're acting on the "If it sound too good to be true, it usually is" princip.

>>19344890
>23 minutes in

The video is heavily edited (pieces cut out), only showing small parts of the "OMG such a large world" in any continuous clip.

So there is obviously a lot of loading/processing happening in between.

>>19344945
Care to explain what you mean? According to the guy, there were no problems at all. Why not believe him? I watched the whole thing, and it amazed me.

>>19344972
Brofist.

>>19344995
Yeah, afraid of something new.

>>19344959

These guys had their chance last year, but they're still just pushing a marketing message.

HOLY FUCK!
FUND IT!
FUCKING FUND IT!

>>19345012

> According to the guy, there were no problems at all.

sage for viral marketing

>>19344849
>mainframe.
Oh god. Oh god I never realized how technologically illiterate /g/ was...
He said a 6,000 node render farm
>Implying a render farm could provide real-time results that quickly
also
>he fucking unplugs the internet linking them to the 6,000 node Chinese render farm

>>19345001
>25:30 - 26:15
>flying without load times

>26:20
>backs out all the way
>26:30
>zooms back in to a completely different location


hur dur

>>19345012
>Brofist.

you guys fell for him. be careful about funding anything, I precaution you

>this is the unoptimized version
I NEVER ASKED FOR THIS

>>19345071
27:45 also

>>19344959
Wanting something to be real doesn't affect whether it's real or not, and shouldn't even affect if you believe it or not.

Yeah, I want to believe I'm superman but where's the evidence?

tldr; I want it to be real, don't believe it is yet.

Stop being trolled by scammers, /g/.

>>19345012
So you're believing what he's saying, not what he's showing?

The problem with this algorithm is that you're very easily going to go into crazy amount of seek and loading times because of the sheer mountain of data. It's not that we don't want to believe him, but he never actually addresses any issues without spouting his bs marketing message.

Opposed to John Carmack and Jon Olick, who are trying to implement a sparse voxel octree system. Carmack talks endlessly about the technical limitations of the system.
BTW: Sparse Voxel Octrees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpEpAFGplnI

>>19345068
Why don't any of you people realise he was joking? It was obviously a joke. He's a very eccentric man. I can't decide if he's charming or irritating as fuck, but I'd be happy for him to become the next technological figurehead like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates.

>>19344959
It's not a breakthrough.

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Look up Point Cloud Rendering. It's been a theoretical rendering model for years.

>>19345108
Well keep in mind a lot of the objects were repeated, so they only need to be loaded into memory once. They've also got some sort of magical compression going, as was hinted in the video.

>>19345108

inb4 someone claims it's not SVOs

>>19345145
Rage has magical compression going to compress 1tb of texture data to a couple of gigabytes.

Yeah, compression is magic. It's even more magical if you know that all your data sets are the same.

>>19345142
They address that in this very video. Each atom is a point is a 'voxel', just as has been suggested before (but apparently done in an AMAZING NEW WAY).

>>19345166
Which they never reveal. What is he really doing that's any different?

> 2011
> no dynamic lighting, animation, collision, deformation

>>19345178
claims and magic

>>19345127
That was aimed at the people saying he was using a "mainframe" for real-time results
I think it's completely legitimate and he actually explained it pretty well considering they want to keep it secretive.
And for all you fuckers that think the island is a 'con' because there are a lot of repeated atom models, try rendering thousands of low-poly rocks or trees in real-time.

>>19345163
I mean take something like tokenization. If say, a rock even took up a megabyte of space in memory, it can be tokenized and referred back to with a few bits/bytes. That's not even accounting for something like LZMA compression, which is fast enough to work 'on the fly' but still shave off quite a bit of space.

>>19345178
The amazing new way is the algorithm used so that the renderer doesn't waste time with all the geometries. Instead it only searches for voxel data for each screen pixel. Are you guys fucking deaf and blind? This is all explained

>>19345181
>People make criticisms
>He addresses these criticisms fairly
>BUTT HURR, CRITICISMS 2011 THO

>>19345181
>2011
>Engine in design doesn't magically have this immediately.

Good one bro!

well, this may be a nice looking engine, but it will never be able to deal with physics...

>>19345210
>>19345189
Also, I love how you morons overlook the fact that he has investors who are at the top of their field in technology. Obviously they have enough money to go around for investing, but why would they waste their time with it if they thought it didn't have any potential?

>>19345210
>Instead it only searches for voxel data for each screen pixel.

This is what makes sense for the average joe, when in fact, it doesn't solve the problem.

>memory problems?
muhahha, no

>taking too long?
haha, UNLIMITED detail!!

Hey guys, we came up with this algorithm to search through terabytes of data and return the result instantly! Oh wait, obviously this is impossible and there would be serious space issues. Oh well, guess we'll just go peddle our snake oil elsewhere...

>>19345163

Yeah, but Carmack hasn't been going around claiming MegaTexture is some kind of magic pixie dust that nobody else has ever even thought of. He's not trying to build a mythology about himself being this crazy industry outsider that has revolutionary new tech completely unlike anything before. What's more is that he's actually talked about using SVOs to do the same with geometry--which is all this company is doing. He didn't act like it was completely new and revolutionary. Why do they?

>>19345191
Exactly. This is probably one of the tricks that he's talking about.

Look, it's not like I'm really that into the idea of us keeping with the polygon model if there are better alternatives.

I used to do a lot of game programming stuff when raycasting was the big thing. I didn't really keep up with the moving technology once 3d cards started to come out and things moved from raycasting to rasterization.

It's not like I'm not keeping my mind open to new things. But this dude reeks of an investor trying to grab suckers. He doesn't even seem to be capable of talking about how the systems that he implement work.

TACHYONS

>>19345189

> try rendering thousands of low-poly rocks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry_instancing

>>19345223

> why would they waste their time with it if they thought it didn't have any potential?

Whether they THINK it has potential vs. whether it actually does are two different things. The average investor is just as likely to get suckered by marketing as the average internet tard. Remember, the people calling bullshit on it are people who actually know 3D graphics.

As I said before, enjoy playing games with this technology on a computer with 3 590s @ 1 fps

>>19345237

>>19345244
>>19345232
Put yourself in this guy's shoes though. Imagine he HAS came up with this greate new system and all his hype is true. If it's nothing that has been done before, you wouldn't want to say
>Oh well, the algorithm works precisely as follows!

If I had created a new LoD or mipmapping system that builds upon previous ones, I'd be happy to talk about it at conferences and whatnot. Especially if I was part of a big company like id. This is just a small company who claim to have something 'revolutionary'. If you expect a tech talk on exactly how the technology works, I'm afraid you just don't know how these things work.

>>19345068
I didn't even watch it that far. I just was questioning what the other guy said. So don't claim I don't know the difference between a render farm and a mainframe when I didn't even fucking see that part of the video.

>>19345279
>didn't watch the video

He keeps saying Level Of Distance, LOD is Level Of Detail Bruce!
I have no idea how they could fake the controller interaction - I'm less skeptical.

Notice how the 'interviewer' doesn't actually ask any questions but just sucks the guys dick the whole way through. It's the exact same shit, just filmed differently.

The real resistance to this kind of tech is that once we have it, it won't matter how shitty your PC is. This stuff runs in software on a laptop and doesn't touch the GPU at all except to display the picture. Meaning, the GPU market is gonna crash bad. I bet you Nvidia and AMD are sweating after watching this video. This probably has profound implications for gaming on Android as well, since you don't need heavy processing power to use it.

>>19345237
It's funny because these are two different things entirely.

>>19345237
You can easily index and cache a lot of that data. It's harder when you're talking about an algorithm that requires to run in real time on one computer. Google has massive servers, if this is going to be a game engine, it cannot.

Plus, it still looks like shit. Maybe it's the artists? How exactly does the artist pipeline work?

>>19345210

> Instead it only searches for voxel data for each screen pixel.

This is not an "amazing new way".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_Voxel_Octree
http://www.nvidia.com/docs/IO/88889/laine2010i3d_paper.pdf
http://code.google.com/p/efficient-sparse-voxel-octrees/

Just watching the laptop demo where he unplugged the Ethernet cable. Anybody else think he's still using wifi?

I want it this to be true, if it is we will reach near perfect graphics on computer desktops and amazing graphics on mobile devices.

But it sounds like a scam. He claims things that are totally impossible with today technologies, we got plenty of people researching into rendering technologies and no one got even near what he claims. He uses a existing technology and claim to have created it. The whole thing sounds like an attempt to lure investors, and I'm not buying it.

But if it ends up being real GREAT, will only bring benefits to everybody, bit I doubt it.

I'm not going to pretend to understand all the fancy words thrown around about this technology but here is my take on it:

Isn't the smallest bit of data 1 bit? Well that meats each 'atom' has to take up a byte of video memory doesn't it? So 1gb(lets just say 1gb is 1,000,000,000 bytes) is 8,000,000,000 atoms. While that is a lot, how is that unlimited power?

Again I don't really know what the fuck I'm talking about

>>19345337
1 bit, not one byte of video memory. my bad

>>19345307
Maybe you'd stream ray traces off the internet, still requires a medium computer though.
Best graphics, all the same no matter the PC's power is bullshit.

>>19345307
CPUs do not magically parse massive amounts of data faster by implementing a new algorithm.

CPUs at best can do one thing at a time. If you have multiple cores they can do more (not scaled appropriately usually because of ancillary things with your program)

GPUs can do a shitload more.

>>19345328
If he really wanted investors, this entire shitstorm is the perfect lure. He has everything he needs to convince people to throw money at him right now. That video even has ME convinced. I honestly think it might be real. But instead they are deciding to disappear again until it's done and refuse further funding because they want to stay secretive.

>>19344466
>implying awesome graphics make a game good

Best games to date have pretty sorry graphics.

His description of tessellation is way off...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CCZIBDt1uM&feature=related

This is much more impressive. Jesus christ, way to swallow snake oil.

>>19345364
Call of Duty 4, Counter Strike: Source, Touhou, Yume Nikki, Minecraft, Gary's Mod, and Grand Theft Auto.

>>19345305
To be fair he started out quite skeptical. If you're part of some small gaming website and this is your chance to get a good number of people paying attention to you, you're not going to barge in and say
>THIS IS FAKE. YOU'RE A FAGGOT, BRUCE!

In fact if they had defrauded the guy, they'd get much more publicity.

>>19345361
This is the best way to get funding, convince everyone you don't want more funding and they will beg at you to accept their money.

Just fake you are interested in funding them and look at the responses.

The euclideon guy watched some videos from Intel and adapted to their style of talking. He's not doing bad, but he could be better.

>>19345361
>That video even has ME convinced.

Oh god, really?

The interviewer was so obviously paid to do it buy the developers, or is just a complete dipshit who has no idea about 3d graphics.

They reveal -nothing-. The same issues that were brought up regarding all models having the same orientation and memory issues have not been addressed. It's definitely rendering what you're seeing, but the description of how it works is so vague.

>>19345361

> Euclideon was the recipient of the largest commercialisation grant awarded by the Australian Federal Government in 2010.

>mfw people measure atoms in milimeters

>>19345357
I know they can, but they've gotten this working in software right now. Once they work out all the kinks what's stopping them from offloading processing to the GPU? The GPU is such a huge boost from the CPU that even a shitty GPU would be able to run this and have plenty of power to spare. Meaning the whole race to create more power hungry and powerful GPUs is gonna pitter off.

>>19345380
Watch the video, he mentions this very engine. I've seen it before and this is a dynamics engine, not a graphics engine.

>>19345381
You have a pretty shitty taste in games. Not say those are bad games, but if those are your favorites, you're pretty bad at enjoying games

>>19345381
Starcraft 1, Quake 1, Zelda, Super Mario Brothers, ...

They need to get a spokesperson, can't keep listening to this incredible douche.

So what is different from the 2003 version that also turned out to be not implementable?

>>19345357

> CPUs do not magically parse massive amounts of data faster by implementing a new algorithm.

Quick Sort > Bubble Sort

>>19345424
>Neither of you has said Deus Ex, System Shock, VtM:B, Half Life
Christ, you're both awful at this

>>19345433
>not mentioning Goldeneye 007
>laughinggirls.jpg

>>19345211
>How on earth do you render objects with unlimited ridges from different perspectives all across the screen?
>Search algorithms!

Just stop believing.

Sigh. No one was ever saying this was fake. SVOs have been known for a long time.

The general consensus is that while the tech is somewhat feasible it just won't make sense to use it in games for several years due to memory limitations.

It's not fake. It's a real scam.

>australian guy tries to make something different
/g/ response is "HURRRRR CANT VE DOUN, SCAMM HURRRR"
>australian guy shows demo answer some questions
/g/ response is "HURRRR IS EDITED, HURRR IS A SCAM HURRRR"
>australian guy doesn't ask for donations
/g/ response is "HURRR SCAM SCAM HURRRR"

stay classy kids, stay classy...

>>19345504