Fuck, evangelical people scare the religion out of me. Nothing makes me less willing to listen to a person than having them scream at me telling me I'm going to burn for eternity if I don't believe what they believe.

>>1584387
Why are you scared of the people trying to warn you?

Be afraid, but not of us.

>>1584393
Suppose a man comes to you on the street, puts his hand on his shoulder and says, "I am scared for you, my brother. You do not believe in the will of Zardoz. Without faith in Zardoz, you will surely be tormented after your death. I will help you. Let us make gardnash together."

Wouldn't that kind of freak you out?

>Implying I WANT to go to Heaven.

>>1584395
Zardoz didn't write a book that is partially credited with the foundation of western civilization, as well as being written over the course of 1,600+ years on 3 different continents by over 60 different authors from every conceivable walk of life.

Zardoz is just a name you invented.

what part of the bible did jesus write? non of it.

>>1584406
Dude, do you really want to go there? Do you really want me to bring up the hypocracy of the crusades or the rampant witch hunts? For that Matter, what about the Romans? They did more for western civilization than Jesus ever did and yet we see no temples of Mars being built. Worship how you want, but don't just take the word of a priest.

>>1584413
>implying catholics are christians
lol

>>1584406
Sure, but that's not the point. You have to look at this from the point of view of the person you're trying to convince. A truth you believe in is not necessary self-evident to everyone else. Christ is just as alien to a non-Christian as Zardoz is to you. You'll never convince someone by asserting ideas at them.

tl;dr evangelicals need to take a debate class

>>1584421
Zardoz has no historical evidence, and literally nobody believes in him. You just made him up.

He is therefore not a proper analogy and your logic falls flat. Your debate teacher was wrong, apparently.

>>1584436
Then replace Zardoz for santa claus and try again.
note that santa claus actually existed.

>>1584440
The fat man in the North Pole never existed, but the Christian saint did.

Again, your own analogy supports me.

WHY THE FUCK IS SO MUCH RELIGIOUS SHIT POPPING UP HERE!?!?!?!?!

>>1584446
Why are you so affected by it? Relax and ignore it if you don't like it.

Guys, the evangelical faggot is only here to "win" arguments by riling people up and ignoring counterarguments to his arguments. Let him wallow in his pathetic selfishness and go on believing he's not the reason the world is in the shitty state it's in.

>>1584451
Just because it's a counterargument doesn't mean it's right, and I believe I addressed every counterargument that was presented to me.

Santa wasn't a good analogy, and neither was Zardok. If insults are your only remaining argument, then please just say so and I'll be glad to end this discussion.

If I didn't know the background music and the concept album behind it, I'd be scared. Really I'm just amused

ALLAHU AKBAR! DEATH TO ALL INFIDELS! BEHEAD ALL JEWS AND CHRISTIANS! ALLAHU AKBAR!

>>1584406
The bible was written by different people, in different perspectives over 90 years AFTER Jesus died. Plus, with kings re-editing it, re translated, and certain parts "ignored", I would say the bible is the longest game of Telephone.

>>1584456
See? The faggot's still at it. Better to point and laugh at a waste of $4.50 worth of materials claiming to be the most precious thing in their imaginary friends' eyes.

>>1584456
You still scare the fuck out of me. I see a baptist revival and it brings to mind some pretty bad imagery.

Fear, anger, outrage, righteous indignation at the thought that anybody could ever think that thier opinion was more valid that your own. The threat of damnation, the promise of salvation, carrot and stick by which the shepherd controls the flock. But the shepherd eats mutton.

Baptist revivals, I hate to say it, remind me a hell of a lot of the Nuremberg Rallies. Emotion used to blind rational thought, to galvanize a people to a common cause.

Zardoz teaches us the immortal lesson "The gun is good. The penis is evil."

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070948/

I don't care who wrote the Bible, it's a bunch of immoral trash. Yahweh orders 'his people' to commit infanticide and genocide against several tribes (but spare the virgin girls to get raped forever as sex slaves), several apostles say slavery is awesome, so much so that slaves should serve their masters as if they were serving Christ, and women are inherently inferior. Fuck Christianity and all religion.

PRAISE JESUS AND OUR LORD ALLAH

>>1584489 Part 1
The cities that Israel destroyed in the OT deserved it (assuming God exists). They refused to turn from their wickedness, they sacrificed their own babies in the fires of their idols, and they refused to repent or turn to the God whom their fathers knew.

Therefore, God gave their land to the Hebrews, and He spared the women of the land who had not taken part in corruption or wicked sins (ie: the virgins).

And they weren't sex slaves, they were wives. Yes, actual wives.

I worked on a sunday before...
When do I get stoned to death?

I'll take Flying Spaghetti Monster thank you very much.

>>1584508 PART 2
>several apostles say slavery is awesome
This is a lie, nowhere in the NT is MANSTEALING accepted.

However, "voluntary slavery" which was quite common back in the day, was completely acceptable, and even roman politicians were known to do it if they had accrued a massive debt.

"Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death." (Exodus 21:16)

IN 1 Timothy 1:9-10, "slave traders" are put in the same list as "those who kill their own parents", "liars", "murderers", and "the ungodly."

>>1584512
"One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind." (Romans 14:5)

Only if you're a Jew. Christians do not live under the slavery of the Old Covenant. (Hebrews 8)

READ THE BIBLE PEOPLE. PLEASE.

>>1584518
So one part of the bible contradicts the other?

>>1584526
"'The time is coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.'" (Jeremiah 31:31)

>>1584518
Nah. There is literally nothing about Christian dogma or the Bible that stands as evidence for its own validity. Certainly, one can find isolated bits of wisdom to cull from it, but by the same token, even a McGriddle has protein. The rest of your religion, I'm afraid to say, has been processed beyond recognition.

Heavy.

>>1584532
>admits to never having read the bible.
>There is literally nothing about Christian dogma or the Bible that stands as evidence for its own validity.
Typical of our generation

>>1584532
(cont.)
What you do have going for you is large numbers of followers, a threat based on tribal "with us or against us" mentality (represented by damnation), and, to a certain extent, a monopoly on concepts like "piety" and "goodness." These are concepts within a social construct which exist due to the aforementioned numbers of religious. When you have that many people believing the same thing, their common ideas naturally form the social structures in which they live.

Anyway, I'm bored of this. Please, use some critical analysis.

>>1584531
What about the bible saying the earth is only a few thousand years old, when it has been proven that it is billions of years old?

>>1584538
I read enough of the bible to know that I have no interest in reading any more of it, and that dodge of yours completely avoided attacking the substance of my claim. Please, present some compelling evidence for Christianity's validity.

>>1584395
this fellow makes a point. yes i read >>1584406, >>1584395 is still valid

Is it just me, or does his voice start sounding satanical about a third of the way in?

>>1584538
Why should I read the bible over the Torah? The Qur'an? the Mahayana Buddhist Sutras? I realize the Old Testament covers the Torah, but as you said, the New Testament refutes a lot of what the Torah covers.

What makes your religion more valid than the countless others across the globe? Don't say numbers, if a thousand people believe a lie it doesn't make it true.

>>1584550
Or is it that by converting others, you gain a sense of validation? If you can convince another human being that your faith is correct, you can justify that faith to yourself more easily. A core concept of christianity is that you will be tested, that you will doubt, and that you must overcome those doubts with faith. Blind, unreasoning faith. When pressed, every christian I've ever met has said this "Evidence would destroy the need for faith". If you knew, you wouldn't have to believe.

That kind of ideology scares me. It puts worth in ignorance. It glorifies blind acceptance of authority and absolution of personal responsibility.

ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ
ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ
HE SHALL COME AGAIN
ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ
ALL PRAISE ZARDOZ

LET THE FALSE MESSIAH BURN WHEN ZARDOZ RETURNS

>>1584482
See? Zardoz IS real. More real than Jesus at least.

saging until this shit drops off the board.

every field

every minute

Until this thread

Hits the post limit

Democracy in action folks. Put sage in the email field to prevent your post from bumping the thread. Remember, sage posts still count towards the post limit, so don't be afraid to spam that shit! Just remember to pace yourself or use a dynamic IP to evade the flood detector.

The Devil made me do it.

to the guy who keeps posting these christian stuff:
you're just making it worse, i hate christianity now just even more
start "thinking" and not limiting your mind to some hitler like out of the world creature
thanks
by a gay guy who likes philosophy and not a restricted mind out of fear of going to somekind of a made up afterdeath painland as a reason

it's ballsacks like this that give religion a bad name. FUCK OFF, BRAH

Spread the word, Sage can save you from the christfags! In sage we trust, for only through sage can find true salvation!

Sage! Because the mods won't do fuck all to stop this asshat!

>>1584579
you should have sage'd all fields

I'm bumping this off /f/, bye!

fucking asshole, jesus? fuck off, learn about the spiritual satanism based on the old book of ENKI more than 10.000 AC IDIOT in the sumerian civilization

For the Horde.

You know, I really have no problem with christians that DON'T try to actively convert me. Some of my best friends are god-fearing, church-going folk, but they respect that other people may hold different views. They practice thier faith and try to be good people, They help out in the community. If you express an interest in thier faith, of course they are more than happy to talk about it. BUT THEY DON'T FORCE IT ON THE UNWILLING. It is a choice. You can't cram it down an unbeliever's throat, they'll choke on it.

sage, it goes in all fields.

anybody know the post limit for this board?

Is this some kind of Christian magic?

As the stars appear I know I'll find you staring at the sky.
Pointlessly reaching for some light
You hope to guide your sorry way.
Your body bleeding.
Your body burned.
Your body scarred.
Around the cinder of your heart

ZERG RUSH! FOR THE OVERMIND!

A God of love.
A God of care.
A God of hope.
A God of words.
A God as lost as you and blind to fill your hollow soul again.

should we sage to post limit and then bump every other flash?

You seek a God to stand above you,
wrapping healing arms around you.
You'll find another God of pain,
a God of suffering and tears.

Our solar system is but a speck on the arm of a galaxy that is in turn but a tiny mote of dust drifting through the infinite vastness of space. It is amazing that anything so insignificant as a human being could ever believe itself to be the master of such incomprehensible glory and complexity.