Kind of forgettable, which is disappointing considering we're talking about Pixar here.

I would fuck the crap out of her.

Redhead. Rebellious. Wild.

Fuck. yes.

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Also, Elinor is fucking awesome.

This scene killed me.

The animation was great, but the story didn't really appeal to me. I'd watch it again, though.

I would avoid the crap out of her.

Redhead. Rebellious. Wild.

Fuck. no.

Her mother was a hell of a MILF

It was better than Up

I decided not to go as I didn't want to have to sit through any potential lectures on feminism and cis privilege. Same reason I stayed away from Lorax with the tree hugger shit

The accent is what got me the most.

Elinor is one of the best villans to turn good in my opinion

It looked great, but the story was mediocre.

It's worth a watch.

>>42514707
Smart choice.

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>>42514742

Oh, and the accent was pic related.

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I liked it, but it wasn't Pixar's best. A Bug's Life tier, at best. Still, even a weak Pixar film is a pretty damn strong picture.

Also, /co/ shat itself the weekend it came out. Between it, Korra and school being out for summer, there were feminism threads and Tumblr accusations everywhere.

>>42514707
The movie turned out to have absolutely nothing to do with feminism and girl power though. At its core it was about a relationship between a parent and child.

>>42514771
> /co/ shat itself the weekend it came out.
Any screencaps?

>>42514775
Then I might catch it on Netflix three years from now or something, thanks for the tip

The animation and voice acting was good. The pacing, story, and a few of the jokes/visual gags were off. The directors didn't have much under their belt so it was understandable.

The "its not my fault" followed by "oh shit its all my fault" dialogue was a bit too obvious for me, like they couldn't be subtler about it.

As far as lessons learned goes. Meredith pretty much figured out the moral of the story on her own, but it feels like they only went that route because they couldn't maintain conflict between her and her mother. Once she feeds her mother the cake, everyone pretty much goes along with anything she says, and she STILL gets to shirk her responsibility as far as suitors go. For a story about how she was supposed to take responsibility, she never really did. Sure, she realized it was her own fault, but she got a perfectly happy ending out of it.

>>42514858
The pivotal plot point involves feeding her mother CAKE?! I take back what I said, I don't even want to watch this on Netflix 3 years from now

>>42514858
Elinor was the main character

My only serious regret was that it never had a scene were Merida was thought for a moment that her mother was incurably a bear and found it easier to talk to her as a bear than as a person and just had a heart to heart with her while she couldn't interrupt.

>>42514877
Do you decide everything based on random bullshit?
I mean what's the fucking problem with cake now?

>>42514877
Keep on trollin'

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>>42514877

The fuck is wrong with you?

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Oh god she's fucking ugly

Why weren't there a scene in which Merida fixes her bow?

It was such a huge deal for her.

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>>42514858
I forgot about the lack of subtlety.

The narration in the beginning and the actual character growth could have been handled better. Everything was spelled out at all points to the detriment of the film.

The scenes with songs were grating also.

The movie should be renamed Mother Bear.

>>42514936
I'm not even Irish and I feel a strong urge to beat her.

It was kind of refreshing to see Mother/Daughter bonding comprise the bulk of the action for a change. It's not a relationship dynamic you see all that often in cartoons. Or at least explored to the extent Brave did.

Everything else was pretty par though. Only a handful of funny parts, the witch mostly, and the Kilt rope. And outside of the motherbear/daughter bonding scenes nothing really all that moving.

Most definitely Pixars blandest film. Which is a damn shame, because it looks great, and the setting was great. But they never really sold me on the stakes.

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Why is she so perfect, /co/?

LOOK IF MERIDA DISCOVERED AMERICA if Merida discovered America Merida would be judged on the MERITS meris of America and not considerations of whether Merida is ugly you fool

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>>42515008
I found the bear form more attractive than the human form

An awfully conventional parent-child story. Child thinks parent is trying to control them, parent thinks child is resisting critical advice, child does something rash which forces them together for the rest of the film, they re-bond and learn a lesson.

Pixar has always worked a formula, but usually with much greater skill than this. The only notable part of the film is the technical achievement of rendering curly hair.

>>42515085
Merida has a BEAR FORM?! I take back what I said, I don't even want to watch this movie in 3 years on Netflix

>>42514701
You are objectively wrong.

>>42515099
Not Merida, Elinor.

>>42515099
Not Merida...

As a Scot, am I going to be cringing at the accents throughout this?

When I saw it I had a pretty good grip on why I didn't like it, but since it's been a while my thoughts might not match up 1 to 1 with how I felt then.

My biggest problem was how the MC never gets any kind of comeuppance. I distinctly remember the part of the movie where her mother, who is rightly horrified that she is now a bear, is having trouble eating because she doesn't want to catch fish/eat them raw/whatever. The MC proceeds to MOCK her mother, whose condition is her fault in the first place, for being unable to adapt to BECOMING A GOD DAMN BEAR.

In addition everything worked out in her favor anyway, because she didn't have to chose a suitor and everybody was totally fine with it. In addition, almost everything interesting character-wise was about the mom and not about the MC. I can't even remember if the bow (which they stressed so heavily in the beginning) even had any significance in the plot. The mom fights the big villain, cleans up her daughter's fuck-ups, and is generally much more sympathetic and likable.

I liked most of the characters, though, aside from the MU and her little brothers.

>>42515105
Up was good till they added the talking dog.

>>42515099

This will be on NETFLIX IN 3 YEARS?! I take back what I said, I don't even want a bear form.

>>42515140
>even had any significance in the plot

Mother throws bow into fireplace, daughter fucks off.

>The MC proceeds to MOCK her mother, whose condition is her fault in the first place, for being unable to adapt to BECOMING A GOD DAMN BEAR.

It was funny, shes a teenager, both didn't thought much about it.

>>42515173
>not liking Dug

what kind of cold hearted monster are you?

I got a little upset that the suitors didn't get more time. I felt like the built them up before the movie and then they didn't do anything but act stupid.

I liked Elinor and the Fergus generally being loving and they didn't make Fergus into an idiot to make Elinor look better.

It pretty much lost me when she turned into a bear and they wasted a ton of time doing bear shit for jokes instead of rushing to fix it. I think I missed a lot of the bonding people talk about because of her being a bear.

Then the bad guy bear seemed kinda shoe horned in for me since they already had several conflicts.

Over all it looked nice, seemed like it was going to be nice, but it lost me in the middle and I didn't really care for it.

My only problem was that there wasn't an actual compromise between the two. Elinor allows that tradition mustn't necessarily be maintained, and that she shouldn't expect her daughter to be Elinor 2.0, but Merida made no such concession. What about the possibility that the privileges of being a princess comes with some expectation and sacrifice? She never made the same effort as her mother, which was disappointing.

but the movie was fun. And the bear scenes more so. And the first few minutes in the beginning were so cute.

didn't like it i actually walked out on the movie around the part where the red head makes her mom act like a bear i was kinda disgusted

Saw it too just the other day. The first act was splendid and built up a realistic and potent conflict only to be squandered when the witch and bears showed up - it morphed into a totally safe, predictable and bland fairytale. Though it did have its moments, evoked some feels and occasional laughs, so overall it was fine, just no walle or incredibles.

>>42515209
I think the opening sequence with Meridia riding through her improvised archery range was my favorite bit of the movie.

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>>42515179

>I don't even want a bear form

>>42515181
I guess in a generalized fantasy setting "oh you are a bear now let's have some hilarious hijinks' might be acceptable. Personally when I was watching it all I could think was "She's an unrepentant asshole."

Like, even when her mother was groaning and clearly in pain during the transformation she was still being a selfish dick. It's in character for a teenager, I suppose, but it didn't make me like her very much.

Consider this:

Elinor is the main character.

>>42515181
>Mother throws bow into fireplace, daughter fucks off.

Yeah, but a few scenes later you can see she already fixed her bow. I mean.. It seems like she didn't care enough for it.

>>42515255
Bears are stupid and you are stupid.

It was over too soon, and the part where the mother turned into a bear felt rushed.

I think the movie was fine for what it was. But it was also too short, some parts just seemed like some guy said "Lets cut that thang" and thats it.

In the end they took a new take at tradition and the ending was kinda open. The suitors will come back, and Meridia will now act as a princess, but how this will turn it we don't know, because according to the lesson Meridia learns, you have your fate in your own hands.

That the mother becomes a bear-milf was a kind of weird twist, honestly.

>>42515254
I know that feel. From the commercials I thought it would be an epic tale, like a Lord of the Rings- Pixar's version. Something about a trip in magical places, a girl showing how and what she can do. (with no feminism bullshit intended).

I continued waiting for it during that scene and thought it would be like this for the whole movie.

Finally I got a cute story, not as develloped as it could have been and I know epicness wasn't the point of the movie but, damn, I still feel like it would have been awesome.

I live in France where they often change the names of movies. This time we got " Rebelle" instead of "Brave" and I thought it was stupid...

Well I was wrong. This time the french got the title right, even better than english did.

>>42515140
Why would she get a "comeuppance" for challenging the old tradition of forced marriage.
Don't forget that it's not supposed historical, the mother clearly was in the wrong by our modern values. If anything her getting changed into an bear was her comeuppance.

>>42515414
But denying the suitors clearly made things worse. In fact, EVERYTHING she did made things worse, and the mother had to be the one to fix things afterwards.

Even if you think the mom was in the wrong the entire time, I don't see how you can support "I'm going to poison my mother!" as an acceptable or commendable thing for a person to do.

>>42515511

Did you even watch the movie?

>>42515138
Many of the VA's were native Scots

>>42515511
>"I'm going to poison my mother!"

What

>>42515549

Well great, the audience will then think they use fake accents

>>42514900
Except she never fully went back on what she said about not marrying, as she never believed she was out-right wrong. It ended up being a compromise from both parent and child, which I liked, and surprised me.

>>42515593
Meant to link to >>42514858

>>42515407
It was originally going to be The Bear and the Bow.

I miss that title. Felt more Fairy Tale-y.

>>42515407
The commercials made it look like an epic story about adventure. I felt like this too.

>>42515527
Assuming >>42515567 is what threw you off-

Merida gave her mother a cake that was clearly magically contaminated somehow. I don't know what other word you'd use to describe it, but the general idea was to slip her mom an unknown substance intended to change her behavior. Maybe 'drugging' would have been a better word.

Unless I'm remembering it wrong? I was pretty sure she knew that the cake was enchanted/tainted/whatever.

Movie was OK but the fucking music ruined it.

>>42514858
> For a story about how she was supposed to take responsibility, she never really did

That is your perception. The story is about a mother and daughter seeing things from the other's viewpoint and reconciling their differences. Not about one getting their way and the other suffering for it.

>>42515660

She wanted to change her fate.

Then she got a cake. She didn't know she would get a cake.

And the witch told her that it would totally work.

BUT WELL...

It was alright. Not pixars strongest, but also not its weakest.

Can I get my Incredibles 2 now?

>>42515664
>Not loving the music
>2012
Seriously that was the best bit about the movie.

>>42514630 (OP)
Underwhelming at best.

>>42515664
Are you into dubstep ?

>>42514771
>Tumblr accusations everywhere
>uses image from Tumblr

I don't really care where an image comes from -- an image is an image -- but still, lol.

>>42515748
Don't ask stupid questions, you know he is.

>>42515799
I'm still hoping.

>>42514775
No, it was specifically about a MOTHER and her DAUGHTER, which almost NEVER HAPPENS in storytelling. All parent/child stories are almost exclusively Father/Son or very rarely, Son/Mother (which often gets hijacked into a Father/Son story anyway). It's a good movie for girls to see, which is why /co probably doesn't like it.

>>42515680
It's not his perception, it's what happened in the film.

3d quality was alright, but at times it really looked like a high quality demo reel.

The story, characters, and humor were all bland. They weren't bad but I expect better from pixar.

>>42515964
2/10, too obvious...

>>42515983

Mother and daughter resolved it between them.

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>it was specifically about a MOTHER and her DAUGHTER, which almost NEVER HAPPENS in storytelling
I find this hard to believe.

>It's a good movie for girls to see, which is why /co probably doesn't like it.
tumblr?

Story needed more development.

>>42515748
>Are you into dubstep ?
Sorry brah. But I thought celtic folk would have suited the movie better.

Watching it now.
What a bitch.

A whole existence of financial security in a feudal society, not having to work a day in her life. Time off to do the things she likes and ample food to eat at any given time while poor people in the kingdom die homeless on the street and live off of scraps.

And all that is asked in return is that she fulfils the requirements of someone who is allowed to lead such a privileged life, and she won't even do that. What a terrible cunt, how did they even manage to raise her so insanely selfish?

>>42515140
I Whole heartedly agree with this. Angsty bitchy teenage wasn't really likeable until her speech to her mom at the end.

>>42516116
The father is too lenient.

>>42515203
What? Smashing shit in the house wasn't funny the hundredth time in two scenes?

I expected better humor from pixar.

I also loved it.

I thought it was unpleasant to look at and the story was bland.

>>42514630 (OP)

It's a good movie.

Not great, but it got some undeserved hate.

The mother/daughter story is strong, the characters are likeable and the fantasy elements and the climax are pretty great.

A petpeeve of mine is that the suitors and their parents are just background noise (they seem intresting and the plot underuses - they just a plot device), and unfortunately the three kids derail the plot with their shenanigans (for instance, providing slapstick when the movie is reaching it's otherwise rather serious climax).


Queen Elinor is easily the best character, and I ended up siding with her more than I did Merida.

>>42516027
Cool non-sequitur. Tell me about the music.

The only thing I really liked is how they built up the ghost bear and the man he used to be as horrifying threats; how in the flashback the guy was cloaked in shadow and had glowing red eyes and how his statue was defaced, only for when we finally see him when his soul comes out of the dead bear for him to look like anyone else and sad, too, like he regrets everything.

I honestly believe Elinor stole Merida's thunder the whole movie.

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>In loving memory of Steve Jobs.

>>42516261
Yeah... he was kind of a big deal for Pixar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Pixar_and_Disney

>>42516372
Yeah, Pixar was his tax writeoff. He said he'd die before he donated any money to charity.

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I dunno, the movie could have used some more slapstick if you ask me.

>>42515593

I have to agree here. That they reached compromise was a highlight of the mother/daughter bonding thing they had going on.

It feels lopsided, because unfortunately the movie spends most of its time making Merida incredibly selfish, and the suitors are terribly underused (if the movie had used them and shown BEFORE the speech that the guys were just as scared about the whole thing as her, then she might come off as more sympathetic).

Another problem is that while I feel Merida changed enough to be able to face her future duties, the movie ends before we see her actually pull it (the promise of a proper courting, the suitors going back home, Merida going back to more or less the same life she had before).

>>42515964

Yeah, the mother/daughter story was strong and touching, but the movie's pacing problems and misuse of humor hurt it somewhat.

Another thing I liked was that the the Queen was fucking amazing and good (usually the fantasy queen is a total cunt and evil).

>>42516256

The Mordu plot was very intresting, but the movie doesn't really know how to pace and juggle it with all the other plot points.

Best mother? best mother.

I liked it.

But I have a major complaint that I also have with another movie I liked along the same vein, How to Train Your Dragon.

I didn't feel like the world was shown very well. The camera angles never gave us really beautiful sweeping visuals of the landscape.
In Cars they did this very well. Yes there were some cool spots in Brave, but everything felt too closed in. I wanted the world to breathe a little.

>>42516961
Worst daughter?
Worst daughter

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>>42517029
I think you're forgetting someone.

Brother Bear in Scotland with women.

>>42516961

FUCK. YEAH.

Seriously, it's insane how much I like that woman.

>>42516997
>How to Train Your Dragon.
Not related to Brave.
Why were the vikings in How to Train Your Dragon made Scottish? Who approved that decision?

Halfway through the movie now and I need to know; was Merida an entry for a new "least likeable animated character of all time" category at the Oscars or is there another reason for her being such a horrible bitch?

>>42516776
That's the thing about movies aimed at women. They are usually very relationship and social oriented.
Being entirely self absorbed in this area and never really growing in the way that most people recognize as a good adult or person is oft frowned upon in shows that try to play up the heroic journey.
This would have worked as a short that didn't try for a moral ending but just a little self contained story about one girls adventure.

But to tell you the truth. Whatever moral they tried to play at was kind of dumb short sighted and unrealistic.

>>42517107
Same here!

I think I had a problem with expectations. The advertising for this movie seemed to point to some kind of epic adventure for the main character and that's what I really wanted. Throughout the entire first act, I was waiting for her to run away and start her adventure. But, no. It's a fairy tale about a mother/daughter relationship. There isn't anything necessarily wrong with that, but the way Pixar did it was kind of bland and predictable. And it's...just not what I wanted. Not what you expect from a movie called BRAVE.

>>42517089
What is it with redheads?

>>42517137
They weren't actually Vikings. They were a group of confused LARP'ers who thought they were Vikings, as evident by the Scottish accents and horned helmets which were never worn by vikings.

>>42517184
I still don't get why they presented things like that.

Were they afraid nobody would come if they show what it really is ? It couldn't be worse than giving the wrong idea to people.

Shit, I forgot this movie even existed, like most of the movies which came out this summer.

Seriously the only movies people cared about were the Avengers and TDKR, for good reason

>>42517184

They did the same thing with Tangled.

>>42517437
Bingo.
But they dont' give a shit. They wanted to get people in the theatres to rack up the first day total so they could get close to breaking even on it then let the people who actually liked it stick around/do the PR spin to keep people going from hating the movie outright.

>>42517505
At least Tangled had a bit of adventure and trip.

Halfway in the movie I stopped waiting because I had so many moments when I thought "things are finally happening! " but nothing really happened. It was just a night of "goddamn my mom is a bear because of me, maybe I was wrong." Even the real point of the movie felt flat because not enough developed.

At least the fight at the end was nice.

>>42517505
But with Tangled, you kind of expect a fairy tale. Sure it doesn't have to title, but it was pretty obvious it was inspired by Repunzel. And the characters in Tangled actually did have an adventure, at least much more of an adventure that Brave had. And Tangled was just a better movie in general.

>>42517562
>they don't give a shit

We're talking about Pixar. Pixar not giving a shit pains me.

btw I saw Monster inc 2 trailer. I wanted to kill someone.

>>42517637
>but it was pretty obvious it was inspired by Repunzel
Ignoring that the main character was named Rapunzel.

>>42517658
Ugh.

Here's the thing that bothers me about this prequel: it looks like your average, generic college movie...but with monsters. I mean, Monsters Inc. did incorporate the idea that monsters live just like us in their own world, but that wasn't the focus of the film. Monsters Inc. wouldn't be good without Boo and her relationship with Sully. All the "lololz they're just like us" was just background entertainment. It looks like they're trying to do an entire movie based on that idea now.

>>42517729
Well it's not the same story, so that's why I went with "inspired by."

>>42515255
What was the name of that Pooh comic strip where he's a massive asshole?

>>42517792
What bothers me most is that they make a "joke" movie. No emotions were shown in it, just jokes, and bad jokes for that matter.

>>42517658
We're talking about PR and making their money back on a project. They hated the terribad devisive slant the original author and director had going for the film and wanted her to change it. When she stood her ground and said no they fired her and brought in someone who did and disneyed/pixared it up to sell better and tried to palm it off as one of their adventure filled family movies when it was really everything but.
They got the money, ran the PR machine to play up the feminist and female friendly angle to keep people going to the thetres.
Thing is.
She's not really well liked and neither is the story. That and the slash and burn type of money making really wrecks the name of the company.
This is quintuply bad for a company known for intellectual property/creative endeavors.

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Brave had failings and that's sad considering it everything it was meant to be within Pixar's history.

But at least it gave us this.

>>42518032
What was it meant to be ?

>>42518024
That and Monsters 2. I hope the quality won't drop

>>42514630 (OP)
It had a lot of potential but it didn't live up to the fullest extent of it. Would have been infinitely better without mombearplot

>>42518104

First movie with a female protagonist made by Pixar.

First of their movies to be directed by a woman.

For perspective, the female director left Pixar and the movie was finished by a guy.

And Dreamworks pulled both of those claims before them.

>>42517862
>>42517792

Aren't most Pixar trailers shitty and misleading, though? Like, who saw the trailers for UP and expected half the shit that went down in that film?

>>42517505
They advertised Tangled as being a bad ripoff of Shrek, when it turned out to be something much better, a much more classic feeling Disney movie.

>>42517562
Brave tried to play up some sort of grrl power angle when the movie wasn't that at all. It was actually a heartwarming and surprisingly mature personal journey. I never expected it to be a huge adventure (though yeah, the title does imply that), but the trailers didn't say what it was really like at all.

>>42515008
Because it's a fucking bear, of course it's perfect. Now bend over and prepare for hot ursine action.

Feeding your mother a potentially deadly pastry because you don't want to get married.
So add homicidal and cruel to selfish, rude and arrogant.

>>42518672
>scottish
ftfy

>>42514651
This.

This was a great disappointment to me to be honest.

I still liked it. But Pixar makes stuff you LOVE and are just really awed by. This was not that.

I wonder if this is because they took the story essentially out of the hands of the woman that wrote it. I'm feeling that was a huge mistake now perhaps. I would like to have seen what she would have done with it.

>>42516116

I sort of got the impression that none of the suitors really wanted to marry her, either, and that they felt just as constrained by their role. I mean, the buff guy liked the busty maidservant way better than Merida. Plus the age differences with some of them all but guaranteed that they'd be incompatible. Maybe once she does some growing up she'll be ready for an arranged marriage.