>>30994587
No censorship laws against genitals in 3D porn.

Because we try to pretend we aren't major perverts. Try going to Akihabara or Den Den Town: all the pornography is RIGHT THERE with the other nerd stuff.

Its one thing to do it in the privacy in your own home, its another to have the entire animation industry clumped together with the pornography one.

A website with static images drawn by one or two artists is not the same as a 30 minute fully animated film. That shit is expensive.

Because

who the fuck jerks off to cartoons?

no salaryman reading comics on train
no moms watching cartoons with theyr children
no comic genre for every class, age group or interest.

COMIC NOT AN ACCEPTED MEDIA, UNLIKE IN JAPAN, AND MAYBE FRANCE.

lol no, a few thousand interweb creeps do not produce enough leverage for a whole new industry to arise.

Because animation is still seem as 90% for children, and 10% for comedy. It'd cause an uproar for a company to make straight out porn unless it's on the down low.

Plus, wouldn't 90% of your audience pirate it?

>>30994663
a lot

because Rob Zombie has used his wizard powers to make sure he's cornered the market.

Source on OP, by the way

Piracy's a big problem for stuff like this, too. The only way Zone and that make money is from comissions.

Because animation is expensive in the West (you can't get away with paying your animators less than minimum wage and forcing them to live under their desks, even paying for Korea to do most of the work is pretty expensive) and filmed porno is cheap.

>>30994673
Dude, I'm pretty sure most parents watch at least a bit of cartoons with their kids. Every parent I know does.

They may not enjoy it, but they do it.

because only fucking wierdos are attracted to cartoon characters

>>30994720
Music video for "Fuck Her Gently" by Tenacious D

Probably on their site

>>30994673

>no moms watching cartoons with theyr children

Well that's just not true.

You're right about the others though, but it's slowly getting there.

>>30994603
This. Most of the animated pornography started out because of huge restrictions on what you could show in 3D films. Things like 2D porn and rape with tentacles instead of penises started out as loopholes to avoid those restrictions, and have stuck around even after the laws have been somewhat relaxed.

If you want to see good 2D porn, the best way is to start lobbying your congressman to ban 3D porn.

Making real porn requires a friend, a camera and a woman with daddy issues.

Making cartoon porn requires work and talent.

Japanese animated pornography is boring. It's usually just a few frames looped.

>>30994768
And in America I bet that'd work too.

Banning porn either causes an explosion of cartoon porn or a revolution. Win win!

>>30994780
Yeah, seriously, 90% of animated hentai is on the quality level of... well, 90% of anime.

The reasons listed above WERE big ones.

Right now, I'd just say it's because live-motion porn is cheap and popular, and easy to produce. In the states, there's always a girl willing to spread her legs for the camera for $200.

Total, a shoot might cost a few thousand.

The popularity of anime in Japan has a lot to do with the fact that they don't have a big live-action film industry.

However, the market is really ripe if someone with a lot of money decided to corner the market on western animated pornography.

The thing that stops them is that it's basically a new field in the US. There are questions.

How do you market it? What's the cost to profit ratio? How long does it take to produce and what assets do you need to do it?

The answers: Nobody knows how to market it besides traditional porn venues, which wouldn't be as receptive to animated porn. Advertising alongside anime brings you into competition with it, and people who want anime might not want western.

The cost to profit ratio is lower than live action, as live action porn has the cost of: One dude, one chick, a camera, lighting, makeup, editing and directing. And a lot of that can be reduced to, "the guy with the camera screws the girl, edits, directs, and the girl does her own makeup. Costs are camera and paying the girl. A few hundred dollars for amateur level. Little effort, very easy. The biggest issue is distribution.

With animation, you need writers, directors, an animation crew, voice actors and distributors. This can cost thousands to create.

Cotd.

>>30994858

In rare cases, you'll get lone obsessive geniuses like Zone who create short videos by themselves and take shortcuts such as using parodies with in-show dialogue. That works.

But for a real effort, you'd need a studio. And those are expensive as fuck.

And production? Much longer. Months at least, if not years.

It has big startup costs, it requires a lot of money, and it is tough.

There aren't so many desperate freelance porn artists in the US dying to get on your production crew, either.

So the answer: The western market for animated porn is wide open, but it'll take a big player to actually get it going, and right now they're focused on live action.

And frankly, the expertise they've got with cheap live action mass-produced IKEA porn doesn't translate well to animated porn, which needs at least the framework of a story. Hence the few aborted attempts in the past.

But if you've got 100k lying around and want to give it a shot? Fucking go for it.

>>30994780
The worst of it, yes. But the best stuff? Shit's fucking high production values and even occasionally creative story lines.

>>30994768
i never felt that is a valid argument, same as for people saying lolicon was invented cause lol no pubic hair means nothing to censor.
people do not get turned on by comic porn just like that, they need to be attracted to comics first.

much less do people become pedo just like that.
the reason for lolicon is buried much deeper in japanese culture and tradition.

>>30994865
>>30994858
This creature speaks the truth.

Heck, isn't half the hentai in Japan made by some of the same companies as mainstream anime? (and if doujins are to go by, featuring the same characters)

There's no way in hell any existing studio in America would do porn, and not many talented folks outside of them would want to work on one when it'd kill their careers.

>>30994753
Apparently not, didn't know they had to take it down.

Here
http://www.zappinternet.com/video/zebMbeSwoX/Tenacious-D-Fuck-her-gently

>>30994891
Eh, loopholes may be part of why loli took off, but that wouldn't be the whole thing.

Isn't Japan majorly cracking down on anything remotely loli now? Hentai's become notorious enough to taint the entire anime/manga industry as skeevy as fuck now, which it kinda is.

Sites like Paheal play a big part, because why would you spend months animating porn which will probably just be pirated because no one in their right mind buys porn, when there are places like /co/ drawing your fluff and getting the masses off in their free time and for free.

Live action porn needs money and professionals to be good, drawn porn needs a bunch of lonely talented artists with some free time to be amazing (because when do those not come hand in hand?).
Zone is a bit of a testament to that.

>>30994904

Yeah there are a lot of problems in America relating to stigmas not just against cartoons but against porn as well. In Japan you can start your career making porn and then move on to more legitimate things and nobody bats an eyelash. In America if it's known that you've had anything to do with porn that's pretty much it. Nobody is going to take you seriously.

>>30994946

Live action porn is heavily, heavily pirated, and cheap free stuff is available EVERYWHERE. It doesn't stop it from being a multi-billion dollar industry. Believe it or not, people do pay for what they love...

Just maybe not as much as they should.

No western animated porn? Bitch, please.

There's also a few French X-rated animated films, but I'm not sure they're meant to be fappable since the designs are so ugly.

If I were going to do it, I would go by the commissions, donations, and low cost route.

I would start up a website where I drew short flash animations.

Getting one would either be free, or cost something like $.50. And people would be able to make donations.

Commissions would be expensive as fuck.

Fortunately or unfortunately, I'm not an artist. I'm a writer, and there's NO money in the "I write mind control erotica" department. So I stick with legit writing for my money.

Trying to run a studio on it would be hairy. You'd have to have a steady source of outside income and accept you'd lose money for a decade or so before the market became accepted and yours.

I'm talking millions here, if you wanted to actually build the industry. Mostly in marketing.

>>30994953
Azuma, who currently makes Yotsuba&, a charming SoL tale about a young girl's adventures growing up, enjoyed by young and old alike, started his career making H-doujins.

In America he would've been tarred and feathered.

>>30994999
Still an issue, because it appears to be a major issue. It's like piracy in games and movies, regardless of the actual cost the people who make it are convinced it's a huge set-back.

>>30995011
Neat.

>>30995004
>Fortunately or unfortunately, I'm not an artist. I'm a writer, and there's NO money in the "I write mind control erotica" department. So I stick with legit writing for my money.

Are you aware of the romance novel market?

If you can suppress your pride and write within the dotted lines there's steady cash to be made.

>>30995003
This is a perfect example of why porn studios are a terrible group to try to make animated porn.

Their skills simply aren't suited for it. In the US, stories in porn don't exist. And you NEED one in animated porn. Even just a framework.

You need real writers and decent quality animation to pull it off.

>>30994999

Yeah but you probably won't make an animated movie on less than a quarter of a mil. You can make quality live action porn on 10k. Live action only needs a small amount of buyers to recoup it's shooting costs. Animated would require a much bigger base to buy it to be successful.

>>30994587

IS NOBODY GOING TO ASK FOR THE SOURCE TO THIS VIDEO!??!

>>30995037
It's been posted.
Durr

all of the reasons given in this thread hold true. I mean there's a few titles that we have that are sorta pornographic, but for the most part they're pretty tame. If you take the last "adult" cartoon we've had was probably El Superbeasto (which stunk out loud) you'd see the inherent problem in trying to make cartoon porn mainstream, that being that you need SOMETHING interesting to watch in the meantime where no one is fucking, killing, or driving/flying. I mean Rob Zombie, or Kevin Eastman sort of have the capability of putting out something like that but neither have the chops to make something interesting beyond the money-shot, which while integral is not the backbone of what animated porn would have to be. Well that and both are sort of obsessed with their wives who, let's be honest are boring in their own individual ways (Sherri has NO TALENT, and Julie is kinda manly and wouldn't be worth casting outside of the She-Hulk movie, but she'd be AWESOME as Shulk... also talentless though.).

Heavy Metal has a HUGE back catalog though, and HM-press likewise has a lot to draw from, it's not like there's a major lack of source material/stories that could be paired with the existing art to get a project like that off the ground (yeah, I know that most of those books are italian or french in origin, but they're not really putting them out as movies either).

>>30995024
I'm aware of it. Hell, I spent a lot of my lonely childhood in my parents bookstore, reading romance novels (since that was most of what they had, and the sci-fi/fantasy section dried up quick).

I'd have to take a female pseudonym and do it. Male romance novelists have a rough time in that industry - a few notable exceptions aside.

Frankly, it would be a little demeaning, but I have no real problem with it. I'd rather just keep working on my sci-fi, though. Sometimes I like to write things that aren't porn.

You have to think of your legacy, too. You don't WANT to be remembered as a romance novelist hiding behind a pseudonym. Or at least I don't.

I'd like to be remembered as a guy who wrote the next Star Trek or Star Wars.

You know what Japan has that we don't? Animated horror.

>>30995115
Animated horror would be a spectacular field to break into.

You could justify the startup costs because it isn't, you know, porn.

And horror is well suited to animation anyway. You can give really rich visuals you can't do with live action.

All good animators/artists dream of being picked up by companies like Pixar or Disney.

What do you think are their chances of that happening if they've spent years making porn of fictional teenagers?

>>30995077
>I'd like to be remembered as a guy who wrote the next Star Trek or Star Wars.
You're everything that is wrong with science-fiction literature. Actually, I can't believe you're not a troll.

To summarize this thread:

Making live action porn: $1000 maximum with hiring photographers and actors, most of which will sort themselves out for free.

Cost of making a 7 minute animated porn flick: $70'000 with a production time of 10 months with a dozen or so animators working 15 hour days, and hiring writers, editors, actors and licensing/publishing costs.
paheal.net also feeds the western porn industry for free.

It's like trying to publish an encyclopaedia now that wikipedia is the go-to place for information these days.

>>30995077
Dude, you can be known for more than one thing. Mark Hamill is best known for Luke Skywalker and the Joker.

>>30995154
Even if it's animated in Flash?

>>30995154
To add to that, no one would buy it.

>>30995181
Animation is an *insanely* gruelling process, that $70'000 aren't software expenses it's wages for the animator (who by the way gets like $25 an hour and only gets paid for 9 out of his 15 hour day).

>>30995154
You know that Wikipedia is not a viable source for research purposes, right? Try using that in a college essay, even at the freshman level, see where that gets you

>>30995218
You know those things at the bottom of the page?
Y'know, the sources?
Yeah, use those.

>>30995240
if you're doing anything worth writing about, 9 times out of 10, you'll have to crack open a physical encyclopedia to do it.

>>30995154
That's a bit of an oversimplification. That's a minimum for low-quality porn.

On a real studio set, with porn stars, you're looking at something like $1k per actress (or more, depending on what you want her to do), a few hundred for the actor, and pay for everyone else. They also have real equipment. But they can reuse it once the startup costs are covered.

So you're looking at something like 70k for startup, but closer to 10k once you've got things up and running. The highest cost then is the actress. Otherwise, you just have to maintain what you already have and pay your staff, which costs a lot less.

Startup for HQ porn is closer to the animated porn cost. But the highest costs will consistently remain marketing, the actress, and quality equipment.

Amateur porn has only the cost of the camera and the expensive dinner for your wife so she'll let you do anal.

Low Quality porn is only around 1k.

>>30995240
Source plagiarism is JUST AS BAD.

>>30995265
>open a physical encyclopedia

A book from 1991 that only gives you a few paragraphs about your subject?

The Drawn Together movie was animated in Flash. Does anyone know how much that cost?

>>30995265
Actual encyclopedias really aren't much more detailed or reliable than Wikipedia. If you want to reference something nowadays you go straight to a dedicated textbook.

>>30995137
>>30995115
Simpsons and Family Guy and that have done some episode specials that are often not far from straight-up horror.

Hell, even G-rated stuff like Courage the Cowardly Dog isn't far removed from horror movies, besides lack of blood. Usually.

>>30995304
I'm paraphrasing an estimating here, but I think it was, like 1/10 the cost of ONE episode of the show.
It looked nice enough during certain parts, but I could still tell it was Flash.

This site talks about it a bit.

http://www.animationnation.com/wwwboard/messages/318.html

Most of the costs for films like that spend their money on marketing and hiring expensive actors to do voices, which is pointless considering there are talented voice actors out there. But they're paying for a name, really, which is just more of a marketing cost.

The actual film production of a high quality 80 minute movie could probably be done for about $100k.

Then you've got music, voice actors/actresses, and so on.

I'm not sure about production costs of anime. It's probably lower.

>>30995460
It is, animation costs are cheaper over there. They still have high quality anime that reaches the costs of western features though.

western animators are overpaid hacks compared to the rest of the world why do you think companies invest a shit ton of money any time they actually do some work here stateside instead of shipping it overseas.

According to an unreliable wiki I found:

"The production cost of one episode of One Piece is ¥10,000,000 (about 92.704.5 USD)."

So you're looking at about 100k for any kind of decent episode of anything, even outsourcing animation to Korean animation-slave factories.

And those are, what? Twenty minutes long?

You'd probably need twice that for startup costs, too.

Oh, and I keep looking for production costs for an episode of MLP, but I can't find anything.

That would probably be a much better example of the quality of animation you'll get.

Flash animation, outsourced overseas. American costs.

>>30995650
Those are incredibly popular though, and have a wasted budget. I'm sure better work has been done with less.

>>30995620
>hacks
It's not like the west did anything for the animation industry anyway.

Also animators over in Korea get paid like sweat shop workers, animators in the west earn as much as a McDonalds worker.

>>30995650
One Piece is a fairly huge Anime, so their budgets can be a lot higher than Indie stuff. That's probably not all on animation costs too, marketing gets pretty expensive quickly.

>>30995696
Forgot my picture.

I know Dan Green does voice acting in hentai, but usually under an alias.

>>30996843
>>30996843
Yep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeYxQCoQAtM

>>30996899
Oh god I can't stop laughing

>>30996925
>THE PENIS ALMIGHTY SHALL ANSWER YOUR PRAYERS
>NOW LIFT YOUR BUTT

>>30996899

>>30996972
>I NEED TO WORSHIP AT THE TEMPLE OF YOUR COCK

>>30996899
Am I the only one who likes Hentai dialogue more than the hentai itself?

>>30996899
This is the hero that Western Animation deserves.

>>30994645
I remember that pic of a store with Die Hard DVDs next to Boku no Pico DVDs.

>>30997002
It's great for a laugh, that's for sure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TNFFmFOwnY&feature=related
>my face when 2:24

>>30996899
>purify my snatch

>>30996899
>HOW OBSERVANT

>>30996899
>it's going in
>how observant

>>30997002
Yes. Yes, you are.

There's a difference between watching hentai because live action porn has no story/romance/humor and watching hentai for the dialogue alone.

>>30996991
>>30997002
Where's that image with all the ridiculous hentai lines when you need it?

>>30997022
Holy shit...
That one is so much better.
That fucking ending...

>>30997002
Hentai is brilliant.

This one flick I saw had the protagonist turn into a tentacle monster in the last 10 minutes and rape this girl.
It wasn't any better in context, they just went into this dark room and he turned into a monster off screen.

>>30997022
>Ayumi, what's White Snake's ninth album?
>I don't know
>Slide it in

>>30997067

>>30997022
Oh lawd is that Yami from "Yugi-Oh!"?

>>30997022
>NOW CLUCK LIKE A CHIKEN

>NOW CLUCK LIKE A CHICKEN
I'M DYING HERE.

>>30996991
I know its not /co/, but I thought of this

>>30997067
BEHOOOOLD!!!

>>30997022

I am literally in tears here

The way he yells at the end wiped my last doubts. Sounds exactly like Yami.

>>30997083
Saved as >lovetalk.jpg

>>30997022
I have a boner now, thanks.
It's not because of the girl moaning either, that's actually really annoying

>>30997022
COCK A DOODLE D-D-D-D-DUEL!

While I enjoy drawn pornography, animated pornography just baffles me. I do not want to watch it, japanese hentai is 100% awful, extremely cheap, not hot and the voice acting makes me laugh.

Seriously, why?

>>30997160
please
let me die
my sides hurt too much

There should be a law that states that only Dan Green or a Dan Green impersonators can be male VA in hentai dubs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPtL4NkUxg8&feature=related

>>30997164
>listening to the voices
Who listens to sound in porn?

Also l2futa

Y'know, >>30996843
said that he uses an alias. What do you guys think it is?
I vote "King Richard".

>>30994673
You've never been to france have you?
Comics there aren't "MAYBE" concidered art, there's actually NO QUESTION about it
If you go to a library, about 1/4th-1/3rd of it is comics.

>>30997131
>Terrorist actions against my ass are not acceptable.

Oh jesus.

>>30997268
>You've never been to france have you?

France can fuck off. I don't give a shit about France.

>>30995003
Did you try to fap to this and the like? Disregarding this being decades old, this is COMEDY, even the fucking is done in a comical way and that dialog OH GOD. There's no chance you can keep it up with all the laughing.

Laughingwhyboner.jpg

The clucking part of the second fucking killed me. Seriously, I am typing this from beyond the grave.

>>30997344

Aww...but France is awesome.

>>30997022

I'm laughed so hard I think I collapsed a lung.
Good lord, how do the voice actors get through that dialogue without cracking up?

>>30997420
Lots of drugs and denial.

>>30997420
Many, many takes.

>>30997420
>implying

You're listening to the final cut. Not the gazillions of outtakes I'm sure they piled on in the process.

>>30995650

A mangaka once intimated to me that the cost of converting one of his works into a half-hour ero anime would be about $10,000 (back when one dollar was more than 100 yen). Even if we assume that does not include DVD pressing/packaging, marketing, etc., that is incredibly cheap. Granted, it would be at the very low end of the quality scale, have lots of loops and panning shots, but it's still hand-drawn inbetweens.

>>30997545
The japanese make porn mangas out of everything. Even western shows.

Animating in itself is completely free. The problem enlies in that it takes a long fucking time to make anything of real quality. hence, they hire a bunch of animators to get shit done on time.
This is why for all his full retard shit, I still hold John K and Ralph Bakshi, They cut the quality but leave the ideas there.
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WApcUBcVMos

Basically, while I think animators should try their best to make something look really good, you dont need a lot of money to actually, you know, animate. Just a lot of time.

>>30997713
Rock and Rule had piss poor execution, but damn did it have some cool moments. I wish they made a remake of it.

>>30997713
>that fucking scene
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSGIZp9bBK4

>>30997545
Wasn't a H-doujin.

>>30997713
>Bakshi
>cut the quality
Maybe for his TV work, but he certainly put effort into his movies. Rotoscoping was bullshit, but in LotR and Wizards he actually made it work.

>>30997713

Ralph Bakshi gives less than a shit.

Not animated, but I came across this site the other day. I've had a grand ole time with lots of western styled adult comics I did not know even existed. Granted, there are a chunk of poorly drawn ones ... but some of these are very nice.

http://svscomics.com/adult_comics/

>>30997780
By that I mean he didnt go the disney "waste money on everything make it perfect if youre not rich you cant animate fuck you" route. And it really does show in a lot of his work that he didnt have much of a budget. He still persevered, though, and I admire that.

>>30997824

>>30997939

>>30997824
http://g.e-hentai.org/
This is the largest repository of pornographic comics on the web. The categories at the top can be disabled by clicking on them (so if you just want Western, black out the rest). In the search bar, you can type in tags like "defloration" and it'll come up with all the galleries that have been given that tag. Nifty site.

>>30997713

Bakshi fucking sucks, I have no idea why everyone keeps sucking his dick. His characters and animation is ugly as shit and the stories sure as fuck didn't make up for it.

>>30998035
Your point is?
The content isnt relevant in this situation, its the way he made it happen. How about you get off your opinionated high horse and try to actually contribute something to the subject at hand.

>>30998035
>implying his films aren't entertaining
>implying American Pop isn't one of the best animated movies of all time

>>30998035
Two reasons: Fritz The Cat was made on a shoestring budget and made a killing, and other than Bakshi, there were no other animators willing to make animation that wasn't geared to kids and families.

So yeah, he was revolutionary, even if he weren't very good. That's the case with Gertie the Dinosaur, Dover Boys, and a whole bunch of groundbreaking animation.

>>30998108
I think that to a non-animation-enthusiast, Hey Good Lookin' and American Pop would be boring to tears.

>>30998002
Thank you kind Sir, I honestly appreciate the link. You have made my Forever Alone life a little easier this day, I was afraid I was gonna run out of fap material. I'm half way through the 270 pages on the site I linked, dled bout 1/3 of what I've seen there so far. Your link has been book marked :)

I have a question ... How come none of the drawfags haven't made an animated porn yet? Has one even been suggested? There's gotta be some attention seeking drawfag wanting to get popular who'd be willing to make one.

>>30998266
Uh... Zone? There are tons of artists who make animated porn, just not a lot of good ones.

>>30998266
Personally I'm thinking of it, but I'd rather use the time and effort to make something of real value rather than fap fodder.
Unless we go and make felidae, and replace the cats with trolls/ponies/princessbubblegumscunt/something/co/related.

I mean, I have no problem with porn, just that it kind of does hurt your reputation a bit in the circlejerk that is the animation industry, and it just takes too much time and effort to make something so people can just fap and move along.

>>30998266

Because it takes a shitload of time and dedication to make even a few minutes of animation. The only times I've ever seen a drawfag make an animation is a cycled gif or something.

It's totally possible, but it's time consuming as shit, so they don't see the point in making one unless there's a way to make money off of it.

How many regular animation studios are willing to hire someone who's done toon porn and would they fire them if they found out?

I know Doug Winger has worked as a freelance background artist for Dora the Explorer and The Angry Beavers.

>>30998355
The character designer for Secret Mountain Fort Awesome did porn.

I don't think porn really hurts your resume, but it certainly doesn't help.

>>30998338
>

Unless we go and make felidae, and replace the cats with trolls/ponies/princessbubblegumscunt/something/co/related.

>mfw there could easily be a market for adult animation in the US, but nobody is willing to make the step towards it

>>30998390
Pretty much. I mean, look at Chris Sanders.
I mean, as long as it's vanilla, I don't there being too much of a fuss being put up about it.

Now, if you're drawing multi-cock beasts fucking Inspector Gadget then yeah, you're probably gonna have difficulty finding work.

>>30998435
Valve said that after the "meet the team" videos, they might make a tf2 movie/animated series.
leave it to gaben to save both the videogame and animation industries...

>>30998468
what does that have to do with anything?

>>30996899
I can't hold in my laughter.

>>30998468
He is a God afterall.

>>30994858
>With animation, you need writers, directors, an animation crew, voice actors and distributors. This can cost thousands to create.
BAHAHA wut....have you SEEN hentai? No writers needed, "director" will probably be the one guy who does all the business side, 4 animators MAX, couple VAs. Might be slightly more expensive then the cheapest porn production depending on how fairly you're willing to pay the creative staff.

>>30998468

>>30996899

>How observant...

OH GOD I FUCKING LOST IT

>>30998479
>"why wont anyone make adult animated movies waaah?"
>tf2 movie
>blood and guts and violence everywhere, no possible way it wont be an adult movie
>not related

>>30998560
I thought we were talking about porn

>>30998493
But is there a market for hentai, that's the question. Why would anyone work on a race-to-the-bottom product when even the cheapest Adult Swim show or some crap children's cartoon nets them more money?

>>30998560
>ultra-violence
>american animation
How cliche.

>>30996328


You know, it's really a shame that aren't more porn cartoons in the states (or even in europe.)

I would pay money for a animated porn like stripperella, I find it a lot better than hentai (I'm talking about the drawing)

>>30998560
There's already plenty of adult animated movies in the west. We're talking about all out yank-your-fucking-dick-off porn.

>>30998485
Watch the next one, it's godly.
>>30998468
I could see a movie...if only because I want to hear the commentary from Gaben.
That being said, I anticipate "Meet the Pyro" greatly.

>>30994865
So uh...

does anyone have the original pic?

>>30998593
Could just ask Zone-sama how things are working out financially.

As it stands, western animated porn is the realm of pervert hobbyists and the French.

>>30998598
>using words you don't know the meaning to

>>30998649
Maybe we need some Japanese guy to start everything and then have the West take over.

I don't see why there isn't more comic porn like palcomix. I assume it's protected as a work of parody, there's tons of reference material, and there must be enough people willing to pay up to make it worth an illustrators while.

>>30997083
>Fucking a woman who was having sex with an alligator.

Fuck animation, I just want some comics. WELL DRAWN ones.

>>30998745
>Fucking a woman who's had sex with any kind of animal prior to the sex right now

>>30998736
Solution: we need more artist like Ovens who do original works.

>>30998745

Is it true Dan Green does Vocaroo requests on 4chan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cnyeV4q1Nco

>>30998999

we got Duke, and they sound very alikeHOLYSHIT

>>30998820

>>30997083

>These are savage untamed dicks

Have you seen hentai videos? Not exactly the hottest thing to happen. Lots of QUALITY moments and repeating scenes.

>>30994685

which is great considering pre-1950's, all animation was geared towards adults, with like maybe 1% for children (movies, no TV.)

It's mostly because america is run by prudes. You dont get billions by being a perverted sleeze (note, billions, not millions.)

We also had Ralph Bakshi who was popular in the 70's, when Amerioca was going through its moral lapse (everyone burned out by the 60's) then We got reagan, now we're back to being prudes again.

>>30998820
Spoiler alert: The alligator kills the guy and escapes with his woman.

>>30994865
source/ more/ full?

>>30998002
exhentai.org is basically the same site, only they don't filter out stuff that is illegal in the UK, Australia, Canada and the US (lolicon, bestiality, etc.)

>>30999273
wat
source please

>>30999481

Interesting.....

Pornography itself is a 'niche' interest in the western world. Most people don't like being labeled perverts since there is a lot of negative stigma that comes along with it (rumors of being a sex offender, not being allowed near kids). I mean millions of people look at porn but it's still considered shameful.

And examine the comics and animation industry, while comics have managed to move forward in the maturity department (grimdarkan aside) animation is still very much intended for children. There are indeed artists who make some scratch off doing porn, /d/mitrys for example, but they realize that doing very well done static drawings is a superior method of making money than doing subpar animation work.

I think trying to make the leap into an adult animated industry would not be feasible no matter how much money you pumped into it. Porn comics on the other hand have more potential. They're less costly, can be produced by a small group of people or even one individual and the internet has proved there's obviously people interested in it.

And I'm not an expert but in Japan aren't most H-doujinshi based on already existing properties? It's less common for artists to make real bank off of their own original work, but the guys behind High School Of The Dead proved it can be done.

You'd need some one with a lot of dedication and talent (not to mention money) to make western porn comics a bigger market. Let alone an animation industry.

>>30999481
Like the rose, ya classy fucker.

Who's the girl...?

Less comics more graphics

>>30998777

We can't have a real porn comics "industry" because:

1. Distribution. Bookstores will not carry them. Distributors will not promote them.

2. Piracy/internet. Most people refuse to pay for them.

3. Talent. If you can't sell it, and people won't invest in it, good artists have no incentives to draw it. If we can't pay people a living making porn comics, you will never have enough porn artists who can actually dedicate the time and effort necessary to make good ones, for there to be an "industry".

The Japanese make good porn manga because there's an industry, people can make a living doing it 24-7. That's pretty much the only way to be good at art, to be a professional... to be able to do it all the time.

4. Our standards are too low. Every fucking Palcomix is a trace of some manga with a cartoon face pasted on top, and we're apparently okay with this.

So, we refuse to pay, and most people have shit taste. We have the industry we deserve.

Remember this comic?

Maybe not.

>>31000264
Y HALLO THAR, DRUUNA.

We still have threads about her on /tg/ sometimes when the mods are asleep.

>>30999481
You're now imagining if there's a condom somewhere in there

Not everything western is bad.

This is ripe for animation, for instance.

>>31000367
Is it good?

>>30994587
Until recently in most countries cartoons were only for kids. Japan is pretty much the only exception.

Seriously try to find any non-Japanese cartoons for adults from before the 1990's other than Fritz the cat. It's almost impossible.

>>31000565
You're forgetting France, buddy.

>>31000482

>Peter Hsu
>good

He gave up on comics and was last heard of working in photography.

depressing lack of catgirls...

>>31000600

They need some reminding.

>quality
>JAB
>or any other cartoonporn paysite

>>31000689
Catgirls and western art don't mix.

Westerners only make horrible, horrible uncanny valley furries.

They cannot make cute girls with JUST the ears and tail and maybe a cute fang.

Something in a western artists brain just can't handle it.

They just HAVE to make an ugly beast with a furry snout.

That's one of the big problems with western art. It hates cute.

>>30996328
>Until recently, the average price of any animation that would be considered professional was about $1,000 per second minimum.

that would mean that if an animated show lasted exactly 22 minutes, the animation alone would cost over a million dollars. do animations studios really put that kind of cash into their work?

>>31000734
Manara is Italian.

Which brings up the point that Italy is another big producer of western porn.

>>31000763
Yes. It's as expensive as fuck.

But a lot of that cost doesn't go into the actual animation, but the people surrounding the animators.

Animators are cheap. Nothing else is.

>>31000758
Protip: cat girls and furries are two different things.

>>31000734
Oh god, and I just finished reading Gulliver's Travels. This is awesome.

>>31000844
Please tell me the Thundercats are the latter
I can't be a furry

>>31000878
>the latter

...don't you mean the former.

>>31000878
how about you stop being such a little shit and just fap to what you want to provided it's not pedophilia?
Fuck people like you are annoying.

Now shut up and have some sexy Goblin goodness.

>>31000844
Which is part of the point. Western artists don't DO catgirls.

They do furries.

I have never figured out why, unless they are imitating anime, western artists cannot just make a normal fucking catgirl.

The formula is simple!

Normal cute girl (probably with short hair and a slim build) + Cat Ears + Tail = Catgirl.

Western Artists just can't, or won't, do it.

Every single fucking western comic is the same boring and dumb big tittied blond.

I NEVER LIKED THAT SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT'S HALF OF WHY I JUMPED SHIP TO ANIME.

They have a wide variety of dumb women, with varying hair colors and breast sizes.

They also have three or four personalities. Which isn't much better, but it's better than the ONE you get with western art.

The few exceptions - like Barry Blair - tend to be imitating anime anyway.

Druuna is exempt from this, because nobody knows what the fuck was going on there.

>>31000844
>cat girls, anthro and furries are three different things
fixed

picture related. Its a closet furry.

>>31000911
Yes I did.
.. or did I?
Stop this!
But you don't want me to stop
Yes I do!
I know you don't
G-G-GET OUT OF M-MY HEAD

>>31000943
Well some of them can... like... and this hurts to say... Boocat. But it's rare. Even rarer to see live action stuff where the girls keep on ears or have tail plugs... but when they do... oh when they do.

>>31000944
and who is this person?

>>31000825
hm... so if Im doing my math correctly, on the budget for the Thor movie, a Thor cartoon could be produced for 4 26 episode seasons with some cash left over.

film budget of 150 million = 2 hours of live action awesome
cartoon budget of 150 million = 104 episodes of animated awesome, being roughly 38 hours long, and still have some cash to spare

so by this logic, animation is pretty cheap.

>>31000975
LInkara
he is a man, punch
wears a purdy hat

Linkara
he has a magic gun
where'd he purchase that?

Linkara
coins robots
amazons and trucks

Linkara
this comic sucks

LINKAAAARRAAAA

There's only one show out there that actually pushes the envelope on the content they will include, and that's South Park. And South Park has become so known for the over-the-top stuff that no one really acknowledges it. Plus its not a really pleasant style of animation for porn work.

At this point, we can't even cross the threshold in to serious animated drama or ultru-violence. Any animated movie meant for commercial release is aimed at children or families, and the only mature animation you see on TV are comedies.

Hell, at this point CG has taken such a prominent role in special effects that there isn't a whole lot to distinguish between live-action and animation.

I'd imagine we would need to at least get a quality animated sex scene before we can talk abuot quality animated western porn.

Maybe someone should call up a major pornography distributor and ask them why they don't buy anything like that? Something like family guy on the playboy channel, or something.

I think its the way the west treats animation. As kid stuff while japan uses for all ages and are a more (socially acceptable) perverted country.

>>31000973
Hey, this is actually pretty good!

I didn't know about this guy. Thanks for pointing it out.

>>31001046
WTF Is up with his hat?

>>31000470
Wow, that woman is clearly drawn naked just for sex appeal, but she's not taking any shit, and she's not being raped by monsters while she waits to be rescued by a man. That's pretty neat.

This is western & this is fur.

Know your enemy.

WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE, TRUE BELIEVERS?

>>31001080
>BooCat_Tarot006_09
>Tarot006_09
>Tarot
motherofgod.jpg

>>31001160
Hmm.

Now that you've pointed this out, it's much less interesting.

I just kind of liked the catgirl.

>>30998629
yeah made by Wagner

>>31001138

As is this

>>31001210

And just so we're absolutely sure...this

>>31000600
Can you name French pornographic cartoons from before the 1990's.

>>31001297

And let's not forget the "other" sort...

>>31001310
Well, Heavy Fucking Metal, to start.

Heavy Metal Magazine, which showcases French and Italian adult comics, has been around since the 70's.

The first movie was based off of the comics it featured, and it had sex.

It wasn't explicit, but the magazine often was.

>>31001471
I should also mention that the French couldn't give less fucks about distributing their stuff outside France.

They don't want filthy foreigners touching it, and for all we know there could be a huge number of French adult films we've never heard of.

>>31001138
>Know your enemy.
>Shon Howell/King Cheetah
Not a secret that he is a fucking scammer.

>>31001471
Wait what? Heavy Metal is French?
And it's based on an adult magazine?

>>30996899
I love Dan Green so fucking much...

>>31001517
Same with Japan, really.

>>31001310

The original Metal Hurlant, older sibling of Heavy Metal magazine would have pointers to such.

>>31001517
there's actually a very well drawn (and explicit) french comic that stars a puma girl and a panda girl.

>>31001201
>made by Wagner
Read the text. It's only colored by him.

That southamerican weeaboo Suikaparadise drew it.

>>31001517
>huge number of French adult films we've never heard of.
All boring slice-of-life bullshit. Though I guess the ones I'm thinking of are by the same director.

i can imagine it happening in yurop, because there's much less stigma against sexuality there, but there's still not much of a market for animated porn outside of japan, really

in the US, though, you would get killed for making that shit, there are some real religious nuts over here, and most people agree with them on their insane censorship laws

>>31001201
>made by Wagner
Nope. Not nearly enough potato-shaped limbs.

>>30996899
Am I the only one picturing Atem saying and doing these things?

>>31001575
Huh...slow as ever...it's the size of the pics...

>>31001637

Funny thing is, the US was much more lax censorship than most countries. Problem is that the US self censors sex more than any other country.

1_trap_nootrac_ynnuf/556623oediv/moc.soedivx.www//:ptth

>>31001637
Dunno about Europe in general, but over here, it would't really work.
It wouldn't get the kind of reaction that it would likely get in the US, but it wouldn't get much of a reaction anyway.
Most people would just not care, a good number would think it retarded, and very few would actually enjoy it.

>>30995287
>using a source
> plagiarism

Do you guys actually fap to western porn comics?

From what I've seen, most of them either feature wacky 70s French art or are just DrawnSex bad.

>>31001637
>but there's still not much of a market for animated porn outside of japan

>live in germany
>our most famous comics are Werner and Perry Rhodan, for example
>there aren't many other german comics but manga
>most of the manga is romance, sports, goth music and bishonen related
>there's some shitty german hentai
>german manga industry is full of deviantart level faggots anyway, like Robert Laabs making nudes of his exgirlfriend and fellow artist public
>there's not much german animation to speak about
>comics and cartoons are mostly considered kids stuff like vidya should be in the german eye of politics
>that feel when we actually could have done something to get a /co/ industry running

Sex has been bleeding in around the edges of the traditional superhero format.

as in WoM

>>31002039
I-is it bad to fap to her design...?

>>31002134
I'ts fine as long as you keep looking at the pics and don't actually read anything.

Anyone remember good ol' omaha?

>>31002177
i remember seeing this but vol 3 of it in some half price books store i regret not buying it

>>31002134

It's good to cheer for the villains, now and again, in whatever way suits you.

Anyone got the remained of this?

>>31002177
I do, but I'm not really into massive wiry bushes

>>31002345

remainder, I meant.

>>31002282
So that's how Norman created Demogoblin!

>>31002372
My biggest complaint.

>>31002177
>>31002177
Omaha was the last time in my life I wasn't repulsed by pubic hair on women

>>30997049
Who's this artist again? I keep forgetting...

You know why?

Because Western artists by in large suck at drawing porn and most art styles just aren't that attractive to begin with. It's incredibly niche.

Sometimes I fear the sexiest thing out there might be Spinnerette.

>>31002509
A talentless shithead with a unnatural way of drawing who trys to sell his illigal MLPonyporn set.

Oh man, this is dire.
Why do i still have this?

>>31002587
Because it's fauxmanga style.

>>31002676
Just need a name.

>>31002741
And I won't tell you this his name is on the picture.

>>31002768
Ah, there it is.

Took a moment to find it.

if anyone could recommend some more good PROMOTIONal comics I'd be very grateful. (I remember there was a big thread with a lot of download links in it here a while ago, but it 404'd as soon as I clicked it)
The more catgirl's the better.

>quality motion picture animated pornography like in Japan?
>quality
The vast majority of hentai is extremely low-budget, even compared to anime at large. And there's been a whole lot less of it since the 80s and 90s. Even in Japan it's not really regarded as a worthwhile venture.

>Porn comic thread
>CTRL-F
>No mention of Small Favors

Oh for... HERE!

http://www.mediafire.com/?dmi0pbn9kgcio

>>31002844
>>31002809
>>31002746

I remember these.
Worst. Ending. Ever!

>>31000943
I've been in and our of the furry community long before it became some meme on the internet. Cat-girls have ALWAYS been a part of the furry community. The furry community consists of any and all ANTHROPOMORPHIC characters. In fact back in the day, liking furry artwork wasn't a bad thing. Majority of /co/ people fall under the label of a furry fan. Did you like Ninja Turtles? You're a furry fan. Did you like Thunder Cats? You're a furry fan. Etc, etc, etc. Up until recently furry did not equal erotica nor did it instantly mean yiffing. Nowadays its a popular meme that furry = yiffing.

Before deviant art came around do you know where you'd find majority of fan artists who indulged in anthropomorphic artwork? Furnation.com

It's like people who call adults who find teenagers attractive, pedophiles. Pedophile means you like them before they hit puberty. After puberty, you're considered an ephebophilia.

And finally...well...yeah, there's this ongoing effort.

>>31002864
Yeah to be honest I think Zone's flashes have better animation than any hentai I've seen, they tend to look really fucking bad. Decent animated porn is rare anywhere you go.

>>31000943
seconded a billion times

No mention of Little Ego?
It's a classic!

>>31002901
What the hell.