fuck you gordon, why don't you kill the joker?

he's done worse to you, and you control all the cops who take him to jail.

>>28848134
He just said he would, he gave Bats an ultimatum, you do it or we'll do it. I agree completely of course, Joker is not a human anymore, he is little better than a rabid animal, and rabid animals get put down.

MY PARENTS ARE DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD

Seriously, why doesn't Batman just kill the joker?

I would hate batman too, if my love one was killed by the joker, when he could have been put down ages ago.

That's completely out of character for Gordon. This is the man who, after having his daughter and himself terrorized and tortured by the Joker, told Batman to take him in by the book.

>>28848256

This is reality Gordon talking though.

>>28848297
>reality Gordon

I have no idea what you're talking about and I don't think you do either.

Is his kill count literally on the hundreds or something? I just watch the cartoon.

Batman doesn't kill. He skirts the law enough just by doing what he does normally. Compounding that by him killing the criminals he apprehends would force the hand of law enforcement. If the GCPD really wants Joker dead, they can do it on their own.

>INB4 MORALS AND SHIT

Every time you excuse this garbage, like saying "he's an old character, you can't kill him" and "Batman has a code against killing", you're encouraging bad writing. You should question why The Joker's punishments haven't met the crime, make the writers think about these things. If you don't want Batman to kill him, then ask why hasn't the legal system sentenced him to death or at the very least put him in solitary confinement for the rest of his life? If they throw up he intimidates the jury/judge or gets off with insanity, point out how stupid that would actually be considering his past offenses and that there would be DA's that could run solely on putting The Joker behind bars, that could put pressure on the cops to get an air-tight, slam-dunk case.

If you don't point out the obvious flaws and problems, or constantly excuse them with weak explanations and reasons, you're basically giving Batman writers a free pass to write pig-swill.

>>28848698
>Every time you excuse this garbage, like saying ... "Batman has a code against killing", you're encouraging bad writing.
My coinface when. Every time you say this, you're encouraging writing characters out-of-character.

>then ask why hasn't the legal system sentenced him to death or at the very least put him in solitary confinement for the rest of his life? If they throw up he intimidates the jury/judge or gets off with insanity, point out how stupid that would actually be considering his past offenses and that there would be DA's that could run solely on putting The Joker behind bars, that could put pressure on the cops to get an air-tight, slam-dunk case.
This is perfectly valid though.

No, you listen to ME, Gordon.

Why didn't YOU kill him while he was in police custody? You've had numerous chances to do so if you really wanted to, but yet you just keep locking up in inadequate holding facilities. Then you act surprised when he escapes.

I can answer that for you - it's because you're too pussy, and don't want blood on your hands. Well, neither do I, Gordon, but I skirt by outside the law every day of my life fighting these villains you're not equipped to. It's not my job, I am not protected from the law OR the Gotham Police, and I CHOOSE not to kill the Joker. I don't care who's calling you at 10 P.M bitching up a storm. I'll save lives as best I can, but if the law doesn't provide for you to put a bullet in him in a holding cell, then it doesn't provide for me to put a bullet in him on the streets, and I'm not going to do your dirty work for you. I'll catch him and YOU decide what to do. It's your job anyway.

>>28848963 Every time you say this, you're encouraging writing characters out-of-character.

My point is that fans throw "Batman has a code against killing" up, but don't really press the issue. It's done to kill the conversation instead of actually talking about it. The focus shouldn't be that Batman should kill, but how could someone as unrepentant as The Joker go without justice? If Batman is effecting the city, shouldn't the Joker meet with a punishment that fits his crimes?

I'm not saying he needs to be killed, or that Batman needs to kill him, but there needs to be a serious change if Batman is not to be become an impotent crime-fighter, whether this change be to the writing (such as writing the Joker with something other than genocide on his mind) or to the environment (Joker goes to prison for life in maximum security, solitary confinement).

So... hey Chief, next time we get him in our sights, can we just take the shot?
I know Benny has a bullet with the freak's name on it since his family got killed.

>>28849416

NO! You listen to me!

You became Batman because of the violent crime that took your parents. You became a creature of the night to strike fear into the hearts of law-breakers and put them behind bars, making the city safe for the citizens of Gotham.

Look at your city, it is still no better than when you started, possibly even worse. Corruption is still rampant and crime plagues every facet of society. Even with an entire Bat-family, you have done nothing to quell the chaos of lawlessness that devours Gotham City.

Gordon and his police force are doing all they can, trying to clean the streets of violence and criminals, but they need help. YOUR help, but instead of lending them your aide, you go around only fighting mental patients instead of the real elements of villainy that stole your parents away at the point of a gun.

You're acting selfish and arrogant, forgetting that it is for the people of Gotham you fight, now doing battle against crooks for sport. Go, find the source of why The Joker can't pay for his crimes, and bring safety back to city.

Why doesn't someone ELSE kill the Joker. There has to be someone

>>28849814
NOT CLOWNS

NEVER CLOWNS

>>28848423
Billions

If we count Emperor Joker

>>28848096
Why don't you do it, Jim?

>>28849902
>Implying Jason Todd doesn't get a boner when he imagines killing the Joker

>>28849814
>Go, find the source of why The Joker can't pay for his crimes,
The Supreme Court, which found the death penalty to be unconstitutional in DC.

The problem with Batman killing the Joker is that Batman doesn't kill. Period.

The problem with Joker getting the death sentence is that no jury would be able to sentence that because he's insane.

A solution to both of these problems would be for Batman HIMSELF to lock up the Joker in a Batprison or something completely ridiculous that he could never get out of.

Until a different writer comes along and writes him out of it.

So the answer is, for the millionth time, "Because it's a fucking comic"

Even if he died, he'd end up coming back when DC needs to restart their continuity AGAIN in a few years.

>>28850037

Ok, then find out why The Joker hasn't been sent to Super-Max to serve his sentience in solitary confinement for the rest of his natural life.

At the rate he's escaping and the number of lives he's taking, their must be some conspiracy in place so that he escapes justice.

>>28850079
But at least it would end this stupid argument. If they killed Joker we could respond to this stupid argument by saying "he did" and leave it at that.

>>28848096

You guys are faggots.

>>28849902

Yo.

You know why we keep making threads about this?

Because people like the OP haven't read this thing.

Quit bitchin' that nobody kills the Joker, and bitch that people don't write GOOD Joker stories.

Because we have limits to what we should by right be able to do. Because Batman is neither judge, jury, nor executioner. Because Batman killing the Joker means nothing, except the death of one evil, and the birth of another.

It would be nice if in classic Joker style they did give him the death penalty one of these days, they go through with it and he's pronounced legally dead, and then afterwords he has a henchmen revive him from his death like sleep knowing that his death exonerates him of his various crimes

A clean slate

A clean start for the Clown Prince of Crime

Not only would this answer the age old question of why don't they just kill the Joker, but it's clever enough for him to pull off.

>>28850072 "Because it's a fucking comic"

No excuse, that is never an excuse. That's like saying I should give a novel a pass for gigantic plot holes, poor structure and weak characters because "it's just a novel." You might as well say comics are trash, because you are implying that not only will they not get any better, it would be wrong of us to expect it from them.

As for the insanity ploy, as it's been shown time again, The Joker isn't insane, wouldn't qualify to be considered legally insane and would go to prison if this were any other case. There is no reason the Joker doesn't pay for his crimes. None.

>>28850120
Arkham really is the most secure location they got in DC. The Supermax prison they have is Blackgate, which he's been sent to and busts out of.
Maybe Ironheights could do a better job holding him, or maybe Stryker's Island, but both of those don't have a stellar record, and you don't hear people whining about it.

>>28848423
There are real world Serial Killers with counts in the hundreds (Or believed to be that far)
I'd say Joker's is probably in the quadruple digits by this point.

>>28850346
Just send em to the Phantom Zone

>>28850072 So the answer is, for the millionth time, "Because it's a fucking comic"

Here. This is for you.

>>28850371
>implying people don't get out of the phantom zone.

>>28850371
Also does a poor job of holding villains.

>>28850366

Name a few. I'm curious on these serial killers that have murdered hundreds of people that are not war criminals and leaders of violent regimes.

Please, name me these serial killers, serial killers as in they are one person only, that have killed hundreds of people.

>>28848096
I loled

>>28850239

Pretty sure they've already had the Joker survive the electric chair and being let out because "Welp he can't die"

No! God almighty, no, it'd be too damned easy, all i've ever wanted to do was kill him, a day doesn't go by when I don't think about subjecting him, to every horrendous torture he's dealt out to others, and then...end him. But if I do that, if I allow myself to go down into that place, i'll never come back, I can't...i'm sorry.

This shit again?

Even Timm and Dini had enough sense to actually kill The Joker.
It's not an alien concept, it brings some closure.

Quite frankly, Jim shouldn't have much of an issue here, he has shot and kill before in the line of duty.
Next time, just take the shot Jimbo. We'll even throw a parade for ya.

>>28850449
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murderers_by_number_of_victims

>>28850496
Yes, but it would at least give a legitimate reason

The plot I mentioned was something that happened during one of his first appearances

How come we never get these threads about Darede- Oh right.

>>28850449
The Blastoise rapist of Kaster Belgium raped and killed at least 65 men.

Let Frank come to Gotham and Batman's entire rogue gallery would be purged from the streets.

Maybe the solution for writers is to stop writing Joker as a murderer. Take this reboot to redefine him as a criminal mastermind and a strategist, only killing people sometimes.

Joker huh?
So, he's like, a killer... that makes jokes?
You know, we had a guy like that here in Ankh-Morpork once, his name was Carcer.
He's not around anymore.

>>28850561
Daredevil killing Bullseye is about the only good thing about Shadowland.

>>28850581
Yeah, because he did a great job taking down the number one serial killer in NYC.

>>28850594
The Riddler is the Riddler, Joker is not the Riddler.

>>28850581
Nah, they have Red Hood. DC needs to give Red Hood to a competent writer and have a big huge event where he takes out major players. The only reason he didn't take out Joker back in '05 was LOLPLOTARMOUR

>>28850594
That would solve this problem, but I doubt it's going to happen.

The genocidal Joker is a popular character interpretation these days

>>28850496

They did, but back then it was acceptable because HE DIDN'T KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

See, you can get away with a story like that if the criminals engages in super-crimes which centers around larceny, robbery, and possible black-mail not when they are a serial killer that's murdered countless people and shown no remorse for their actions.

>>28850239
>My parents are

>>28850619
No one wants to see the Punisher kill bullseye, Kingpin, e.t.c, well besides me, and he did kill a lot of super villains in Rick Remenders run.

>>28848096
>>28849416
>>28849814
I suppose I'LL have to deal with this.

>>28850581
Happened once

Punisher pulled a gun to Joker's head, Batman quickly sprang into actions saving the Joker's life and then telling him to run for his life.

Joker literally just got done murdering a few people and Batman told him to just walk away

>>28850577
Holy shit!
A Pokemon did that?
Fuuck, man.

So are Joker threads like this the new "wanna party /co/" or what?

>>28850721
Give 'em Hell, Alfred.
Give 'em Hell.

>>28850619

Bullseye is a Serial Killer now? Always had it in my head he was a professional assassin who happens to enjoy his job.

I mean I don't recall him killing people unless money was involved in doing so.

>>28850374
>>28850252

No, really.

It is because it's a comic, specifically an ongoing comic.

They can't do do anything to Joker because if they did, the fans would throw a fit because comics fans are some of the whiniest people in existence.

If they had Batman kill the Joker, then people would whine about Batman breaking character. Even if it was well written, other writers could mess it up in the future.

If Joker was killed any other way, then either
a) he'd be gone forever, and no new stories about him could be made unless they were non-canon. Which of course, fans won't care about as much because "hurr durr it's not canon so it can't be good because it doesn't "matter" "
b) He'll get revived in a few years anyways.

These are specific problems that arise ONLY because Batman stories are comics that are published in a serial format with no definite conclusion. If Batman was a novel or a movie with an ending, and after it there was no more Batman or Joker, then sure, fine, it would work. But it's not.

>>28850721
source/storytime?

>>28850252
The problem is, if you either kill him or put him away in a box, a huge part of the Batman mythos is gone. That's never going to happen. Never.
They will literally get rid of Bruce for awhile before they get rid of The Joker.

>>28850694
>>and he did kill a lot of super villains in Rick Remenders run.

I think it was Fraction's run, not Remender's. But even then those villains weren't the type that needed to be killed. People like Kingpin and Bullseye should've been killed.

Does anyone have the scan with bats dragging the Joker through snow while they have a conversation about why bats won't just kill him?

But Batman isn't there to do your job Gordon, or to take the place of the entire legal system. His only job is to catch the criminals. If he starts becoming judge, jury and executionner, it will defeat the entire purpose of Batman.

If the Joker is alive after all those years, after all these times where he was caught, it's not Batman's fault. It's the entire legal system of Gotham and the rest of the DC universe that is flawed. Batman did his part of the bargain, he caught him for the cops numerous times. And yet, they were unable to keep him from escaping from Arkham over and over again.

>>28850503
you know, was there ever a scene where Batman says something along those lines and some green deputy or beat cop taping off the area just sorta sheepisly breaks in. "Umm, sir, if you want, I can do it. I can always get another job if it gets me fired but I'd really like to live to be old enough to retire at all."

>>28850644

A lot of people like The Joker from Batman the Animated Series, a few even were introduced to the character from that series, and all he did was super-crimes. No serial killing, just huge, egotistical crimes that always met their comeuppance at the hands of Batman.

So it's not without precedent or support. I'm sure that if comic writers changed The Joker over-night back to his egotistical criminal self, fans not only won't revolt, they'd actually love it.

>>28850760
>implying anybody cares about the bitching

This is why the Wonder Woman pants incident was so stupid, bitching is not meant to be taken seriously. Let them bitch, they'll probably keep reading anyway.

What if they revealed that the mass murderer Joker isn't the same guy as the criminal savant? They could have a story where the real Joker, the one who was the Red Hood, seemingly retired one day, and some crazed lunatic took on the clown motiff on his own.

Seriously?

So let's say the next issue of Batman comes out and the Joker dies, permanently, forever.

You guys would be happy?

>>28850760
see
>>28850374
This time read it. "Oh, but we can't kill him" isn't a response to it. It acknowledges we can't kill him. It points out that we need to demand a return of stories that don't end with people going "it's retarded as fuck that nobody kills him after that."

Seriously, just fucking READ it.

>>28850814
That would cause more hate for The Punisher, Kill Kingpin everyone would rage, Kill Bullseye, everyone would rage, bring Inspector Tequila into Marvel universe and he kills Kingpin everyone would rage, I'm sure of it.

>>28850858

Of course DC cares about bitching, that's why they put Wonder Woman back in the swimsuit.

Comic fans hate change.

>>28850824
Yes, and I fucking loved it.

Let's go deeper.

Why doesn't The Joker just kill himself?

>>28850880

I think I'd be ok with that, but why would he return to being totally insane?

>>28850814
It was Remender's, The Hood resurrected a bunch of villains to go after Frank.

>The problem with Joker getting the death sentence is that no jury would be able to sentence that because he's insane.

Actually, if I'm not mistaken the legal definition of insanity is that you're unable to comprehend the consequences of your actions.
That said, Joker seems perfectly aware of his actions and their impact.

>>28850940

because he has too much fun with Batman

You've got a revolver in your drawer, and you command a police force of hundreds, with SWAT teams, armored vehicles and armed blimps. If it's so justifiable, why don't YOU kill him, Jim? I'm a vigilante. You're the actual law.

Let's conduct an experiment.
The stupid Norwegians want to be all "free" and shit, treating their criminals with kid gloves.
If this guy gets sprung a couple of times and murders a couple of hundred more, the voters would force the govt to use the death penalty

TLDR: mass murderers would eventually cause a state to put the death penalty in place,

>>28850976
forgot pic

>>28850904

Yeah I read it.

Half of it is bitching that the Joker isn't the character the poster wants him to be. But the other half makes sense.

Either way it's idealist. To DC, Joker = money. So he won't die. It's that simple.

>>28850923
No, comic readers hate change. Comic fans love change. This is why I do not like DC, the company. They are so out of touch with their "fans", not the readers, that they do stupid shit.

>>28850854
I agree. In the comics, his gas does the whole smile thing but it's instant death. It really should be more horrifying laughter and painful facial distortion like the cartoon. Yes, stress and prolonged exposure would make death but it would both make each Joker crime a miniature genocide and would serve a character trait; the laughing audience to Joker's shenanigans

OK, I have an idea. How about Lobdell has an arc in Red Hood where he returns to Gotham, looking to kill the Joker, chases him, puts a bullet in his head, and walks the fuck away. Just like that. No big melodrama, no big event, just bang. Red Hood and Co show up in Gotham one night, and leave Gotham much better off. The Fallout can happen afterwards, and the Outlaws can gain a HUGE amount of suport from the public for finally putting him down. Jason can troll Bruce, and Roy can troll Ollie. Thoughts?

>>28850918
>>bring Inspector Tequila into Marvel universe and he kills Kingpin everyone would rage, I'm sure of it

I'd pay seriously good money for a Punisher/Tequila team-up. Or Hell, a sort of Elseworlds story where "Punisher" is the name taken by a Hong Kong cop after his family gets killed by the mob. John Woo's Punisher, starring Chow Yun-Fat.

>>28850940

He did, in Dark Knight Returns.

>>28850947

Old Joker wasn't tottally insane. He was crazy as a fox perhaps, but not insane. He only seemed crazy because his crimes were so cunning and out-of-nowhere that only a mad-man would think of them.

I want to know the explanation for how the Joker hasn't long ago "Accidentally fell on fifteen knives" while under the care of Arkham's finest.

>>28851031
Man John Woo, Punisher movie done rated R in America.

Well that is basically Hard Boiled.

>>28851081
LOL PLOT ARMOUR

>>28851024
so basically turn Magog's role from Kingdom Come over to Jason but instead of trolling Supes, troll the Bat?

>>28850904
I think it's even less likely that they'll have him change from what he is now. Especially due to TDK and how popular he's become.
He's a little like Superman is sometimes. A broken character who only works every once in awhile in very capable hands.

>>28851135
Well, a bit. But with out the whole "rise of the retarded new generation" bit. The next gen of DC has proven themselves worthy, in my eyes.

>>28850824
There was something in Morisson's run where a cop dressed as batman shoots Joker in the head.
He comes back from it though.

This thread killed my hopes and dreams.

>>28848096
you can also cut off his hands, legs.

or....do as in the animated shows? lobotomize him

>>28851020

>>28851178
Wasn't that guy brainwashed?

>>28850594
Because then he's be the fucking Riddler. The Joker is fine just the way he is. A true monster

>>28850818
Batman wanted to fix the corruption in the city, he wanted to make sure that no kid was orphaned like he was, he wanted to save people

If the primary problem with Gotham aside from roving gangs is the corrupt political system then shouldn't he be focusing quite a bit of attention towards that?

You won't be able to pick up any water if your bucket has a hole in it

He has the power as Bruce Wayne, he just needs to apply it

>>28851179
>hopes and dreams
>2011
I sure hope you guys don't do this

>>28851194
>Lobotomy
I think you mean send him to crime college where we take out the evil part of their brain which causes them to commit heinous acts.