>>21033613
That's about it for me. That and some if it is already fappable even without the extra porn.

I pretty much only like anime/manga for fapping reasons.

Shows with actual plot development and ending that aren't just set ups for 'what adventure of the day is our hero going to do' format.

sage

> They can have plenty of perfectly on model or better porn the same day a show airs

Well, when your fanbase consists entirely of people bred to believe style copying is learning how to draw, you shouldn't express surprise, amazement or even admiration for this.

>>21033613
This actually. Western 34 artists can't draw for shit. The worst is that they all put their own spins on the characters and the finished product doesn't even look like who they were trying to draw in the first place.

Lolicon. Toons would be a lot more popular if we had sexy children.

Music.

Catchy background themes, voice actors are expected to be able to sing in character, opening and ending songs performed by professionals instead of quick little jingles.

>>21033680
>implying Japanese 34 is any different

Honestly/

Animated movie adaptions. I'm sick of every fucking American movie adaption being some shity live-action remake, like Last Airbender. Fuck you Hollywood for not making them and being lazy, and fuck you general public for not supporting action cartoons on TV or in movie theaters

Less of an age ghetto. I wish we could have a primetime animated series that wasn't in the vein of stoner comedy.

They have better porn, and....

No, that's about it.

>>21033680

When you're dealing with the artstyles of shows like Fairly OddParents, the Simpsons and Avatar, what do you expect?

The ability to use abstract concepts as a theme.
When we try that in our cartoons we get "LOLRANDUMB OF DOOMIE DOOM!"

That we can't get shows to last as long as theirs and that get wild episodes, despite the fact they can have episodes where they stand there and do nothing.

>>21033699
Silence too.

Ever notice how in western animation the soundtrack goes on and on without stopping? The absence of music can be used to great dramatic effect, but only a few shows seem to realize this.

Endings. Naturally this tends to only apply to a loose majority, but it's more common in anime.
I really hate it when a cartoon is ongoing for just way too long.

The longer a series runs, the more its quality will degrade.
Any more than 25 episodes, or three seasons is too many.

>>21033766
>The ability to use abstract concepts as a theme.

Wasn't that the entirety of Beast Machines?

>>21033772
This is another huge one.
Some silent episodes of anime can be really well done. Like Tai in the real world.

Female main characters; or cartoons for girls in general.

I still rage when I see all the shows Nick and CN reject on the grounds of them having female protagonists.

OPs and EDs
Separate songs for the theme and credits song.
I'd cite AT, but the theme song doesn't really speak to me as a "song."

But, yeah, I wish cartoons had things like that.

Also, yeah, I do have to admit that eastern 34 is better than western 34.

They car comfortable sexualizing younger girls than the west, and the lax copyright laws allow fans to exploit this.

>>21033772
Mainframe did this a lot.

When Enzo lost the game there's about 2 minutes of everyone just stood in a total and complete stupor of fear and confusion.

And when Blackarachnia died in Beast Wars, there's no sound except a heart-rate flatline as Silverbolt just stands there and looks at her through the CR chamber window.

NOTHING. THOSE FILTHY JAPS CAN'T CREATE ANYTHING OF VALUE. AMERICAN CARTOONS ARE ALWAYS BETTER! NO EXCEPTIONS. ANY THREAD THAT SUGGESTS OTHERWISE HAS NO PLACE ON /CO/!!1 SAGE!!!!1

But seriously, no age ghetto.

Things I prefer about Anime:
-The music's often better
-They have better porn
-They have more robots

Things I hate about anime
- 80% of the protagonists are 16 or younger
- Half of them don't know two shits about their own history or mythology.
- "Slice of Life."

>>21033613
>>21033727
These, and cartoons here still have the "for kids" stigma. STILL. Why is it automatically for kids just because sombody drew it? By that logic, art galleries everywhere should be converted into Chucky Cheese's.

>>21033797
Like the fact that the Avengers show is stuck with that awful theme, permanently.
No changing it up in a season, it'll be there as long as the show runs.

>>21033801
Oh hitgirl how I love you so.

they get more fanarts

>>21033763
Add art styles that don't look like shit/they don't use Adobe Flash to my list

Well then, I am assuming it's up to some of the people of /co/ that are into animation to make change, hm?

Violence and less censorship in general.

>>21033813
Cotton you forgot your image.

Actual mature stories and themes.

I don't mean mature as in overly violent and sexual for the sake of it, but actually exploring themes where such occurrences are needed.

It's kind of sad there's been more video games that are genuinely mature than animations from America.

The fanbase not overreacting. Kind of hard to explain, but look at /co/ when they see something they deem 'mature' or 'getting crap past the radar' You know that Regular Show image with them freaking out over saying the word 'pissed' or Adventure Time saying 'sexy'? You never see anime fans go "WOW THEY KILLED THAT GUY" or "WOW NARUTO JUST TURNED INTO A NAKED CHICk, THIS SHOW IS FUCKING MATURE AND AWESOME"

I guess that applies to censorship? You can kinda do whatever you want in anime so it's no big deal to them.

>>21033829
MOAR

>>21033859
It's not an animator problem. It's an industry and audience problem.

Think about it. Tons of parents took their kids to see Watchmen because they were stupid. To them Superheroes = For Kids. Always, without exception. Animation is the same way.

The guys funding animation? The suits? They're in it to make money. So they're going to appeal to the lowest common denominator. They're going to want to sell toys or t-shirts to potheads. They want the medium to say safe, because safety means guaranteed marketability.

So, until public perception of animation changes? It's going to stay as it is.

>>21033797
Also, like others have said, more diversity in genres.
We have action and comedy and 2/3 of that are "childrens' shows."

>>21033859
We really can't. Not as long as executives, networks, and advertisements stranglehold the industry. Just going "I'm going to make a good show" isn't really a reality when you have so many roadblocks.

>>21033937
Well damn, that's not gonna happen anytime soon. Thanks for the explanation I did not look at it that way.

>>21033825

We don't have to supplement a lack of live action shows with animation for TV entertainment as it is in Japan. Thats why American live action shows not only dominate the home market but most the western hemisphere. And thats why animation is mostly considered for kids here

Supernatural is a great example, in Japan it is a anime they wouldn't even consider it being done in live action becasue their live action industry is horrendous, in America there was no reason why it couldn't be done in live action or any reason why it should be done in animation

>>21033958
And anime has melodrama-action, melodrama-comedy, melodrama-pedo, and melodrama-melodrama.

>>21033937
Also, for the record, this is why so many cartoons have crap animation quality. Good animation is expensive as hell and the producers won't shell out the kind of cash it requires, again, because of the target audience.

Cartoons are for kids and stoners. Kids are too young to notice, and stoners are too baked.

The most obvious advantage is that the Japanese either don't use Flash, or use it better than we do.

A lot of western cartoons don't seem to try to be creative with camera angles or staging anymore. Admittedly, when like 80% of your output is either goofy kid's shows or "adult sitcoms," you don't really need to worry about anything except for medium 3/4 shots. The Japanese comedies will occasionally use high- or low-angle shots, put the characters in the background, and just generally change things up every now and then. Western cartoons only every do stuff like that in action adventure shows, which we don't get much of anymore...

Also, I've always liked that little establishing montage the Japanese do, where they show the place, and then, like, three or four quiet shots of, like, a window or the desk or something.

Three dimensional movement that looks natural. Seriously.

they often follow storylines, plenty of action, and have less restrictions on what they can air.
and not everything is geared towards children, thats the big one.

Actually drawing cleavage or non triangle pointed/flat boobs.

I'm a girl and it annoys me everyone tries to act like we don't have tits. They're just tits. Get over them. Sorry if we don't wear burquas like you want us to, Disney, which is hypocritical given the shit Miley Cyrus and your other tween starlets do.

>>21033992
>anime
>solid drawings
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Oh wait you're serious. Let me laugh even harder!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

>>21034001
Because anime tits are just so well-drawn, amirite?

>>21033960 executives

When that CN exec died in a car accident or whatever a year or so ago, there was a palpable sense of "this is a beginning" here.

>>21033814
Then stop watching shonen jump anime.

>>21033971
>or any reason why it should be done in animation

This is where that argument fails. There are tons of action shows that suffer because they don't have a special effects budget.

Smallville, Heroes, stuff like that? If it were animated, they could actually show the superpower use instead of just hinting at it.

Sooo Western Cartoons hate change due to social stigmas

or rather, can't change. That makes me angry and sad at the same time.

>>21034006
>typing out HAHAHAHAHA on the internet

>>21033971
>Supernatural is a great example, in Japan it is a anime they wouldn't even consider it being done in live action becasue their live action industry is horrendous, in America there was no reason why it couldn't be done in live action or any reason why it should be done in animation

...

Supernatural already has a live-action version. Why would they redo it at all if they were going to redo it in live-action? They are redoing it in anime because they think anime is cool.

I hate this shitty attitude that implies no one would ever use animation unless live-action were unavailable. It's so ignorant and close-minded I can hardly believe how commonplace it is on /co/, which is supposed to enjoy animation.

The use of arcs instead of stand alone episodes

I am not jealous of anything, because I have not yet created any animated or drawn works of my own, and I am free to enjoy both anime and cartoons.

>>21033971
That's what I keep telling people. We've got anything from 24 to Mad Men, to House.
If this were Japan, those would all be anime. We actually have, you know...good actors and people capable of range.
When he want to make an insipid teen slice of life drama...we use REAL insipid teens.

>>21033991
>establishing shots

They are absolutely stupid and formulaic. They are "non-establishing shots." An establishing shot isn't meant to be "a building" or "a desk", it's supposed to show you the surrounding in a way that means something. In anime, 99% of establishing shots are "non-establishing shots."

>>21033992 Three dimensional movement that looks natural. Seriously

I hang out in a notorious weeaboo IRC and I guarantee that very few Jap anime studios give a fuck about principles of animation any more. Redwall is a watershed for what's happening to good animation in the east.

>>21034048
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>21034022
And it would cost too much.
Live action with crappy special effects are still cheaper than a well animated show

>>21034047
>We actually have, you know...good actors and people capable of range.

Yeah, which is why House is played by a British guy...

>>21033991 The most obvious advantage is that the Japanese either don't use Flash, or use it better than we do.

> he hasn't seen Panty & Stocking
> laughingwhores.jpg

>>21033960
>>21034017
this is what makes the internet so great,
people can make good cartoons without censorship

>>21034047
I want to punch you in the face and never stop punching.

No aspect of your argument has any merit whatsoever. It is at best extremely ignorant. At worst actively xenophobic and jingoistic.

>>21034076
> implying Hugh Laurie is anything resembling above average as a dramatic actor

>>21034056
He's talking about how well get a shot of cherry blossoms. Then a quick shot of someone walking their dog by a river..then BOOM we join our characters in a classroom

>>21034001
>They're just tits. Get over them

male's mind does not work like this

>>21034001
Well, in PatF they very clearly were aware we have tits. What with Charlotte pretty realistically readjusting herself before prancing off.

>>21034094
I fucking love that show.

>>21034001
Boobs are a strange thing when drawn, cause people freak out about them easily.

>>21034094
Alright I guess that's a good point.

>>21034085
Blah blah blah.
It's true though. Japanese actors in live action have to ACT like cartoons just to get their point across. If you weren't such an apologetic weeaboo you'd be able to admit it.

>>21034079 this is what makes the internet so great, people can make good cartoons without censorship

newgrounds.com

More dedicated fanbases.

YGO Abridged and all those things are hilarious, but you'll never really see a (good) western abridged series. All the best ones are anime ones. Plus enough fans to support entire cons dedicated to animation (closest we get is comic-con, which MAYBE has a few panels of cartoons...) and better fanart/fanstuff in general.

Cosplay too. (Good) Anime cosplay is fucking gorgeous but you rarely see it for western cartoons (not counting comic/movie stuff like Batman or something)

>>21034121
Uh huh.

>>21034079
The problem with that is that there's SO MUCH on the internet.

People are desensitized and overwhelmed and don't care. If you can't grab people's attention instantly, you can't gain a dedicated audience. And without a dedicated audience, you can't make money.

>>21034108
I know right?
The one where all the main characters wear a school uniform all the time? Awesome.

OH LAWD, TSUBAKIII~~~~

>>21034141
Yeah it's almost like the things that aren't compelling will fail and the things that are will succeed. How horrible.

>>21034138
LOL and you post the man who said that Asians make poor film actors.

>>21034166
he managed to make some nice movies anyway didn't he?

>>21034056
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishing_shot

Even the people who wrote the Wikipedia page got it wrong. An establishing shot isn't meant to establish a place, it's meant to establish the mood, the atmosphere, the frame of mind. If you just show a building, then a hall, then the classroom where the action takes place, you've done a "non-establishing shot". You showed a bunch of places that really don't mean much. "Oh we're in a building. Oh we're in a hallway. Oh it's a classroom." As deep as the plot to amateur gay porn.

Anyway, I suppose the thing I'm jealous of is that they have television shows that just happened to be animated. Things like Honey and Clover, or the one about pianos. Shows that don't necessarily have to be animated, they're just normal slice of lives, but they are actually animated. And nobody cares. We can't have shows for adults that are just animated like that, and it makes me a bit sad.

Of course, as another anon pointed out, they have a total rubbish live action market. I'm sure there are film/tv fans in Japan who predominantly watch foreign works and wish their Live shit could be good

>>21033971
>Supernatural
>anime
When did *this* happen?

>>21034078
Panty and Stocking is MOCKING American cartoons. A theme that's just them repeating the title over and over again, art/animation that looks like Flash, tons of crude potty humor.

I just wish we had more comics/cartoons dedicated to a particular theme. Take Kaiji, for example, it's all about gambling. Or Happy!, which is about tennis.

>>21034041
and this, of course.

>>21034184
>MOCKING

Actually, that entire studio is pretty reverse weeaboo. If anything it's an homage, not a parody. >>>/a/

>>21034184
>Panty and Stocking is MOCKING American cartoons
I keep hearing that, but when I watch the show it's more like "wallowing". They're not showing how to do it better or what's idiomatic about it, they're just doing it WORSE. That's not parody.

>>21034047
Actually 24 is a good example of LA.

It's okay, but there were a TON of actor problems behind the scenes. A lot of actors/actresses wanted to leave, or wanted more money so they wrote their character out of the show. Kiefer getting arrested and delaying the season/tying things up.

Would Monster have been live-action if it was American? Of course. Should it have been? Not really.

That's why I wish Walking Dead was animated, or if they ever make a Y the Last Man show/movie, for it to be animated. You can capture the style of the comic more

Guns that don't fire lasers.

I hate how cartoons will have police firing realistically drawn guns...that make laser noises.

I get that you don't want kids shooting up schools and everything, but how does making guns seem more toy like help that?

>>21034124
Again, all that stems from the fact that for the West, we like Live action. We love our movie stars and rock stars.
They like candy colored animation characters, so there's more of it. It's not a matter of the East and West have the same amount of cartoons and the East doing it better. It's a matter of that's what their focus is.
24 wouldn't be a live action show there. Neither would Smallville or Eureka or Nikita or Monk....
We like actual human beings.

>>21034203
Parody at best, mocking at worst.

Homage? Definitely not.

>>21034184
Do we really believe this dude is anti-Western animation?
This dude?

The fact that the manga to anime transition is more faithful than the comic to cartoon transition.

Hell, some of my favorite comics will NEVER be made into cartoons since they just aren't marketable. Or if they do, I can expect them to get censored to hell.

>>21034203
Judging by the reaction to P&S, I would wager that a pretty good percentage of /co/'s userbase is autistic and therefore can't tell the difference between actually being made fun of, and somebody just having a ha-ha.

Whoever makes the point that the west does better live-action so they don't need to do animation, is a complete fool.

Could Soul Eater be done live action, or Fullmetal Alchemist or any Gundam show you care to name?

No, because the special effects budget alone would astronomical.

Anime lacks our American Christian morality. They can have all their boobs and sex jokes on kids shows, but we need stuff like Adult swim and Seth MacFarlane for ours to show such vulgarities. SO, i'm jealous of their ability to show almost whatever we can barely show.

>>21034041
AGAIN, this goes back to the money issue. Stand alones can be syndicated and no order has to be followed.

>>21034247
We've had this thread before, and the best description is pastiche. It's not a parody, and it's not mocking anything. It's wallowing in it.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SatireParodyPastiche

I can't believe how many weeaboos consider it a parody.

>>21034174
Have you considered that you're the one who has a it wrong and what you are talking about is the difference between an high quality establishing shot and a low quality establishing shot?

>>21034124
I noticed a lot of cosplayers of Western cartons tend to be anime fans (going by the list of stuff they cosplay on their gallery), and it's usually only Western shows that are heavily anime influenced and would appeal to them: like Avatar: the Last Airbender or Iron Man: Armored Adventures.

Most non-anime cosplayers tend to pick lazy stuff that just requires a T-shirt and some jeans.

>>21034211
but those 2 comics you mentioned actually lend them self to live adaptations...being very grounded in reality (no super heroes, no magic ,etc)

>>21034249
The best we get is an Avengers show where soldiers were using laser guns in World War 2.

Pathetic.
Its actually got worse from the DCAU era.

>>21034281
...then again weeaboos keep referring to soap opera anime as "drama" and teen melodrama as "slice of life", so they just might not be the proper people to talk to about genres.

>>21034285
>the difference between an high quality establishing shot and a low quality establishing shot
The Wikipedia page uses good references and bad references.
Good reference, Yale:
>establishes the context for a scene by showing the relationship between its important figures and objects
Bad reference, some schmuck off the internet:
>Establishing shots may use famous landmarks to indicate the city where the action is taking place or has moved to

What Yale refers to is an establishing shot.
What the schmuck refers to is a lead-in.

Since a lot of filmmakers (and anime directors) don't know the difference between lead-ins and establishing shots, they treat lead-ins as establishing shots and make them unnecessarily long and repetitive.

>>21034248
You don't have to be anti-something to make fun of it

Jap merchandising. Your average anime will get nicely sculpted figurines, plush dolls, posters, DVD bonus content, etc.

If an American cartoon is a huge ultramega success it might get some t-shirts and its own line of shitty 25 cent capsule toy machines at Wal Mart.

>>21034281
Its the westaboos. They're so tied up in US VS JAPAN that when they look at a show like P&S they can only read it as "THEY'RE MAKING FUN OF US!!!1"

>>21034281
>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SatireParodyPastiche
Die in an orphanage fire.

>>21034356
Unless it's designed from the ground up to sell toys.

And even then, half of that market is Japanese import shows anyways...

>>21034281
I see it as mocking myself, or at least admitting that American animation has a lot of shortcomings; especially the awful art and animation. They got that nailed down pretty nicely.

>>21034356
Not to mention Blu-ray releases for non-movie animation.

And figures of girl characters, while American toy companies don't like making female figures since they sell like ass and boys dont buy them.

>>21034391
>And figures of girl characters
I consider it a huge plus that the western audience isn't as pathetic as those weeaboos who buy female figurines of their waifus.

>>21034356
>>21034391
>Blu-ray releases
Oh, how I wish he could get those...
The only shows I can think of that have those are IM:AA and Clone Wars...
Feels bad, man. Makes no sense to produce a series in HD and then not to release it as such, especially since Blu-ray has had enough time to establish itself, commercially.

>>21034356 Jap
Why do people still do this?

>>21034411
Because the only people who like female characters enough to want to buy action figures of them are waifufags, right?

I wouldn't want to buy a Toph action figure because she was an entertaining character, but because I'm a sick twisted pedophile, right?

>>21034463
Depends. Is the Toph figurine anatomically correct and comes with a replaceable head that makes the O face? Or is it another action figure?

Because when you say "figurine", you mean the little sexed-up statues that weeaboos jack off on. You might mean action figure or DOLL.

>>21033904
This.

It's why I'd want a Mass Effect or Fallout ANIME and not a cartoon, because God knows Western studios wouldn't do it justice.

Funi's making a Dragon Age anime, so I'm interested in how that turns out.

There are no girl action dolls because the big toy giants (Hasbro, Mattel, etc.) don't want girls to have an alternative to the more expensive fashion dolls.

Have many western animated series really been made in high definition?

I know Japan has been producing most things in HD for a while

>>21034505
oh, now it makes sense

at first I thought they were just sexist but now I see they have a legitimate financial reason

>>21034496
IT'S ALL THE SAME SHIT.

"Action figure" doesn't actually mean anything. It's just a word some marketroids made up so they could sell dolls to boys.

>>21034527
action figures are usually more poseable than girl dolls and often have some sort of mechanical feature

>>21034496
>you mean the little sexed-up statues that weeaboos jack off on

>>21034496
>Action Figure
>Figurine
>Figure

Sorry for delay, my father required help

>>21034022

>This is where that argument fails. There are tons of action shows that suffer because they don't have a special effects budget.

If it were animated, then it would cost twice as much to produce in America, its different in Japan where animators are paid buttons and use limited animation cope outs at every turn. Its alright in Japan where people consider "animation = pretty art" But in America "Animation = fluid movement" the way Western animation evolved from Disney and Clampett is to emphasis on movement since its rooted in movies, anime is different since its rooted in photography and static imagery so thats why they try to use pecular camera angles, sliding pans, close ups as much as possible to animate as little as possible and why most is key frames to accomadate a low frame rate.

>If it were animated, they could actually show the superpower use instead of just hinting at it.

Em, I don't recall "hinting" at powers in heroes or smallville, its was pretty obviously present since they are two of the expensive .

But back to the question, if it was produced in America in amination, it would be too expensive, if it was produced in Japan we would see the same cheap procution value of animation we see in most anime, albeit more detailed art

cnt.

>>21034526
It's still pretty sexist dude. Big toy companies are pretty much the Gender Police.

I also agree with the fanart. How come most american fan artists are mostly shitty but Japanese pieces looks almost professional level.

>>21034527
>IT'S ALL THE SAME SHIT.
No, it's not. When you say "figurine of an animated character" you imply either wank material for weeaboos or übernerd room decorations. When you say "action figure" or "doll" you imply it's a TOY.

>>21034557

>>21034030

First off calm down, this is an observation of the normal attitude of tv entertainment in the west, live action dominates, therefore animation isn't considered for pure adult entertainment, cause it isn't needed

Secondly I was discussing the typical attitudes of a series pitch in America and Japan, in Japan they wouldn't create a live action Supernatural show because it would be to expenisive, its more suited for animation, where production values for animation is lower than live action. Its the opposite in America, animation costs more than live action. Thats partly because of the domination of the live action industry and because animation here is less likely to cut corners and costs

Iconic shows, and an overall nerd culture in general

Like in this, Kuroneko's favorite show is a Code Geass knock-off, and Kirino's is some magical girl show I forget the name of. Not to mention the whole show is about the anime industry and its fanbase and nerd stuff in general.

Here, you usually only get like the referential parody on South Park or The Simpsons or Family Guy. Or at best, the creator will mention a previous show he worked on (FOP references in DP, PPG references in Foster's etc)

Maybe it's due to legal reasons and everyone being sue-happy here, but I think it's nice.

>>21034556
>Fish tank
>Tank
>Tank

Words have different meanings, you know, even if they come from the same root.

>>21034500
>Fallout ANIME

Wow, that sounds like the worst idea ever.

>>21034597
>name dropping, self-reference, and nerd culture is good

No.

>>21034597
What show is this?

>>21034552

Made by Kotobukiya, a Japanese company

>>21034576

I gotta agree with that guy, I would never have ever thought there was any kind of difference between those terms.

>>21034609
because...

>>21034605
okay fine then
>Plastic Model
>Plastic
>Plastic

Long meaningless names like Neon Genesis Evangelion, and main characters named after household objects like Panty & Stocking.

>>21034597
inb4 Lucky Star.

>>21034636
Oreimo. Normalfag guy finds out his sister is an otaku and her life starts spiraling out of control while he tries to help her. Like her best friend hating her when she finds out she likes anime because her father is a politician and says anime turns people into serial killers and stuff like on the news.

>>21034644
They censored the hell out of the Japanese version of Fallout 3, not even allowing you to nuke Megaton. I understand why they're sensitive about stuff like that, but I really wouldn't trust them to keep the same tone if they adapted it for an anime.

>>21034597
Hell, anime has even done references to american cartoons. FLCL references Southpark twice and BIG-O references Gargoyles.

And as for My Little Sister, yeah its nice to be part of a niche hobby that's big enough to go meta and have enough people following it to get the jokes, but remember, this also creates the opportunity to pull a DBZ or Big 3 bullshit and run shows with hundreds of episodes that don't go anywhere.

>>21034694
But we trust American cartoons to tell the truth about how World War 2 had Nazis.

...Oh wait.

>>21034609
Hey fuck you, it'd be an awesome series and I'd watch it.

Epic journey through the wasteland like Trigun or something. Plus Boone sniping and Veronica being adorable and cute. Cass can be tsundere. Arcade is the secretive nerdy guy who likes to do the thing where he pushes up his glasses and they flare when he talks as they battle against the Legion

>>21034710
DBZ ended. The Big 3 might not go places we like, but they went places.

Filler is the issue, and one of the downfalls of anime. They don't get it in their heads that they can just...not do episodes for a while, so they constantly try to stretch things out.

>>21034694
oh, good point

>>21034597
I don't think an Otaku pandering anime with pedophilic and incestuous undertones is something to be jealous of.

>Fallout anime

I like this idea, and it's just not because I've been programmed to be unable to say otherwise.

>Mass Effect Anime

Part of me wants to say no since I hate the idea of a canon Shepard.

But if they were going to do it? Mass Effect would be impossible to do in live action, so it'd either be anime or CGI.

They get away with putting their women in skimper clothing. Nothing more. Rest is pretty much blah.

>Go to /co/
>Millions of anime threads
>"What are you jelous about anime?"
>OP then proceeds to talk about porn


I just wish to discuss comic and cartoons. Why it's so hard?

I wish anime experimented more within their shows, shows like flapjack, chowder and spongbob had live set pieces, puppets and claymation

I've never seen an anime that dared to experiment that far

>>21034901
>shows like flapjack, chowder and spongbob
>experimental

>>21034901
Panty and Stocking does that

Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei does that

Macademi Wasshoi does that

>>21034844

They have Battlestar galactica, Caprica, Serenity, a whole host of sci fi shows. Why couldn't it be done in live action?

>>21034597
That's hilarious.

>>21034901
Panty and Stocking has puppet things going on

>>21034972
TV sci-fi shows are... bland and boring. They can't do the uber awesome SFX that Mass Effect would require. Firefly was a good example, most of the action was pretty much old Western-esque for budget reassons.

>>21034901
I think Mind Game would make you pee your pants.

>>21034972
Mass Effect has aliens that aren't of the rubber forehead variety. You could do Drell, Asari and MAYBE Quarians in live action with ease. But Krogan? Turian? Then you're getting into heavy prosthetic work.

Salarians? Not possible. Geth? Rachni? Only with bad CGI. And then you have to do set design as well.

It'd be prohibitively expensive to do live action. Which is not to say that animation would be cheap. But at least with animation there would be a higher possibility of matching the game aesthetic.

Shows like Firefly didn't even bother with aliens, do they? It's just a western in space. BSG has Cylons...who are...humans.

>>21035058
Aren't they making a Mass Effect movie?

>>21035115
Some studio got the rights and it's "in development". Which means they basically called dibs, but have done fuck all with it.

>>21035032

>TV sci-fi shows are... bland and boring.

Not only is that a matter of opinion but thats a matter of writing, not live action

>>21035058

Fair point, the problem with an anime version though is your going to suffer the same problems most anime have, detailed art and lackluster animation. Might be okay if its a really short series(approx 10 eps), otherwise production value will be laughable, with too many corners cut just to save money

In the Summer of 2009 was at a RadioShack with many other people looking for a job, this RadioShack was the head of the Regional area or whatever. At some point there was a mingling session, and the middle-aged looking lady *30-40 somehting* at some point mentioned being an animator. Was asking her why she was looking for a job in the industry she's in, she gave the answer of "No one wants to hire me".

Went on to explain it, saying she did some work on a few cartoons (From Saturday Morning Cartoons to things like Kids WB era stuff) and mostly worked on movies (Lion King and Pocahontas for her). She was also Canadian. She explained though that as an animator's pay (American or Canadian, we're in Los Angeles here)) goes up, it isn't allowed to go down due to whatever union reasons. So its extremely common practice to just pick up some punk-ass Art College kid and repeat the process.

That's if they don't send most of the production overseas to Japan, Korea, or Philippines. She was also bellyaching over Flash animation and Shitty Anime (Yuh-gi-oh, Pokemon, etc) imports that just took over the TV market and 3D also. Technically though, she could and is trained to work in 3D, but again the union thing came into affect her pay is to high for people to want to hire her.

>>21035232
Low animation quality is entirely dependent on what studio does it and the number of episodes. This is true regardless of western or eastern animation.

If a decent studio like Madhouse got it, and it was say, a 13 episode season? Fuck yes, it'd be awesome.

I never really noticed the lackluster animation in anime that most people complain about, I guess I'm just too busy reading the subtitle to notice the finer details.

>>21035250
thats with any regular union or if you were way overqualified in general, the bitch should made a contingency plan before she lost her job its her damn fault she's now working at radioshack

>>21035252
>>21035282

Doesn't really matter what studio it is, most anime (exluding OVAs) is personified by limited animation since anime typically has a lower budget than western animation. Lower frame rate, general choppiness of character movement. Thats why animators like to use unconventional camera angles, sliding pans, close ups, slo mo, sometimes to the ultimate excess all to make it appear animated without actually animating.

>>21033643

I actually prefer that format.

>>21035426
On the flip side, Japan pretty much makes the best action sequences in animation. They save all that budget for the important scenes like the fights.

When did the animation age ghetto first surface? Who was at fault? Why did Japan delve into more mature content while we remained so callow?

Was it Disney's fault for only producing children's movies?

>>21035683
Most people blame Genndy Tartokovsky's Dexter's Lab. It made popular the flat, simple, geometric, ugly art style most cartoons started to follow in the late 90s and into the 00s and it all went downhill from there.

>>21035426
>animation studios don't matter
Yes they do. Each studio employs their own set of animators who are more skilled than others and can make better animation with lower budget. Also, some studios just have more money to spend than others. For example, Madhouse has animators like Takeshi Koike who can rally together 40~ good animators and make something like Redline on a relatively small budget.

>>21035754
No, only you blame Dexter's Lab, asshole.

>>21035683
Well, the first animations to come out were aimed at children so as such, it kind of stuck with us for this long.

>>21035639

At the expense of every other scene, and even still, anime action scenes might have nice storyboarding and key frames, they still lacks the fluid and smoothness of typical western action shows. I like Cowboy Bebop, but if it wern't for the great use of music and storyboarding I would be embarresed to watch it, they rely heavily on so many ways of cutting corners, the movement is jerky. And if it did lack music and the storyboarding then it would totally knock me out out of immersion which I think is the worst thing you can do in an action show

And thats an anime with an unusally high budget.

>>21033613

Well, American Comics don't have Tsubaki, this is true.

And we are truly poorer for it.

>>21035683
Probably sometime between the 70s and the 90s.
Looney Tunes ran from the 30s all the way through the 60s, and they were shown in theaters, targeted at adult audiences. Watership Down and Fritz the Cat (which is X-RATED by the way) were both very graphic and adult-oriented in the 70s.

And then the ghetto must have come around some time in the following years, because it the Simpsons was hailed as breaking ground by creating adult-oriented animation in the 90s.

I guess I blame it mostly on the 80s, with the rise of Saturday morning cartoons and moral guardians enforcing strict rules to keep every cartoon "kid friendly."

>>21035804
what animu is that?

>>21035804

we also dont have that obnoxious twat she hangs out with though so I think we're even

>>21035842
Soul eater. Naruto with ghosts.

>>21035842

Soul Eater

it's shit

>>21035795
You are a faggot with bizarre priorities. I could not give less of a shit how smooth the animation is when it has almost nothing to do with how good the visuals look.

Oh tsubaki.

you have no idea how many dirty, perverse things I'd do to you...

>>21035908
YOU FILTHY SWINE! I OUTTA NEUTER YA!

Japan actually addresses there's porn of their characters/shows and even poke fun at it sometimes and appreciate it.

American animators try to deny it and sue you and rage about it like Butch Hartman and Disney.

>>21035795
The limited animation mindset of the Japanese is grounded in their culture, while the opposite is true of us Westerners. To say one is bad animation is due to sheer ignorance; without limited animation we wouldn't have had such groundbreaking movies as Yellow Submarine. On the other side of the spectrum, without the hyperfluid form of animation, Japan would have never produced such influential movies as Akira or Ghost in the Shell.

As soon as people realize that good animation does NOT have to be fluid, animation in the west will evolve. Honestly, I'd rather see Gainax animate on a low budget than Disney on a high budget.

>>21035759

If you bothered to read my post you would understand that regardless, most anime shows are done on a relatively small budget, even the high bugets ones are still lower than that of a typical western cartoon. And thats because limited animtion techniques are the norm, and I'm not knocking that, its just cartoons and anime focus on different things. Cartoons still emphasis the "illusion of life" while anime focuses on other aspects of narrative so limited animation can work well for them.

I think I've went of on a tangent, anyway my point was studios don't matter, limited animation techniques are the norm in japan, most anime regardless of studio has a lower frame rate and general chopiness of movement. This isn't an attack, its just obervation

>>21035842

Soul Eater

>>21035951

That's because Americans have good Christian Values.

ITT: Virgins like anime more than cartoons because they can masturbate too them.

>>21035804
Tsubaki and Black Star are great and all, but there's something about Soul and Maka that are just perfect.

>>21035985
That guy looks so dumb.

>>21035683
1980s. It pains me to say this because I'm a child of the 80s and we're talking about formative stuff. But really think about it.

There were 2 kinds of cartoons in the 80s. Toy cartoons, like Transformers, TMNT, GI Joe, that have you...and Disney Princess movies.

>>21035982
I see.

I apologize for taking it the wrong way. Obviously, I didn't understand that you were talking in a broad sense regarding their cultural values of animation rather than the specific products from each studio.

>>21034411
Whats wrong with wanting to own a figure of a character you like? It's the same as collecting old action figures

>>21034100

Well...it CAN - I've managed it. It's just really hard. :|

And plus, why would we want to?

>>21035908
>>21035950

Actually, there's a very good chance she would ENJOY any number of those things.

Tsubaki is a pervert. Confirmed as canon.

>>21036051
He plays the part well too.

>>21036106

>>21036051
I'M A BIG SHOT, AND I'M GOING TO BECOME THE KING OF THE SCHOOL!

DONT BE JEALOUS BECAUSE I HAVE TO LOOK DOWN ON YOU. YOU CAN'T ALL BE BIG SHOTS LIKE ME.

>>21036152
Black Star, I...

In my experience, /co/ is much more tolerant of Manga then they are of anime, which is interesting because in Japan reading manga is the norm no matter what age you are, even older people in japan still read some shonen magazines (pic related) you're only considered a crazy otaku if you watch too much anime

>>21036127
What's the context here?

Soul Eater is more like Naruto meets Square-Enix's Kingdom Heart meets Tim Burton's NIghtmare Before Christmas.

Speaking of which.. character songs! I love how there's in-character songs/dialog dramas/stuff for anime; where the characters sing songs. It'd be fun to hear like Pepper or Azula sing about something.

>>21035966

>To say one is bad animation is due to sheer ignorance

I didn't, infact I gave some reason why I enjoy Cowboy Bebop actions scenes, not because of the animation but because they make up for it with music and cheorgaphy

And I'm not knocking limited animation, just stating both parts of the world seem to have different priorities. You like Japanese anime narrative which relies on limited animation, thats cool. And I just prefer the illusion of life (and related) method that evolved here personally, though I can get into the odd anime

I hope we cool :)

>>21036051

He kinda is. Imagine Naruto with no Sasuke or village, with the whole world hating on him... now imagine him with an gargantuan ego and Tsubaki as his sidekick/weapon. Now imagine that this guy is supposed to be an assassin, but he's loud, glory/attention seeking and obnoxious...and proud of it.

Black Star can be a cool character... when he shuts his mouth. Or at least when the time has come for comedy.

>>21036152
>>21036134
When I said I meant he looks dumb, I meant as a character design.

I'm adding this show to the list of things to get angry at people on the internet about.

>>21035804
Who needs her when we have Flex Mentallo?

>>21036182
It's funny because Blackstar is actually a parody of characters like Naruto

>>21036177
They're trapped inside some book that has chapters pertaining to the 7 deadly sins... in the Lust chapter, everyone switched genders, and the theory amongst the group is that the last person to change back is the most perverted (because they wanted to stay as the opposite sex for longer or something). That's why Tsubaki seems to be wearing different clothes in one panel to the next.

>>21036196
>Imagine Naruto
Why the fuck would I want to do that?

Stopped reading there.

>>21036127
Liz and Patty are the best characters.

Hands down. They're so cute/fun to watch.

Just the porn.

There's a lot more shitty anime out there than people realize. Sure, you've got your NGE, Cowboy Bebop and whatever, but that's a small percentage, much like how BTAS and the like is for America.

>>21036188
A lot of people on /co/ like to immediately handwave anime off as "herp derp, not fluid enough/framerate is low so it sucks." It gets pretty annoying.

I'm curious, how does the US comic book industry compare to the Japanese Manga industry?

> porn
HAhahah, no. Hentai manages to be more awkward then the actual porn with extremely stupid dialog and artist not knowing shit about anatomy. Ecchi comedy works great, though

>>21036239
>There's a lot more shitty anime out there than people realize.
Come visit /a/ sometimes, we realize this and get really buttmad about it. Everything is shit to each person unless they like it themselves. It's not a great place to discuss -anything-.

Soul Eater thread?

>>21036295
The US Comic book industry is full of manchildren who get furious about things like continuity and who are never satisfied with anything ever.

Manga is read by lots of people in Japan. According to >>21036174 40 year-olds are reading One Piece.

>>21036295
-60% or so of manga readership is female. Maybe 2% of comic readers are female.
-It's common to read manga everywhere. On a train, in public, etc.

>>21036303

This is why you stick to ero-manga.

>>21036370
>-60% or so of manga readership is female
That's an out right fabrication.

>>21036295
In one year (2008), the entire number of comics sold, period, in the US, was 15,541,769, about half of which was just the top 750 titles. We're talking thousands of comics here.

By contrast, One Piece sold 14,721,241 books in one year... in Japan alone. Not taking into consideraion it's massive overseas market it has in Europe, America, and so forth.

>>21036380
This.
H-doujins>one-off pictures>OVAs and such> CG sets

The pron of anime stuff produced over there is sometimes sold. People get paid to make parody porn and sell it to fans, where over here you could get sued for it very quick.

That's why it seems to be so good. A lot of the folks who make it and you see so much of it are the guys who get paid to draw the stuff. We don't have as many people paid to draw the porn of a little cartoon or comic character over here, so it falls to enthusiasts and those who like the show with a modest amount of artistic ability to draw their own porn. The only thing is that they don't exactly always draw everything on model or that they can't be bothered to unless they are being paid to do so. And even then, some of them have their own style or training to conform to.

>>21036279

It is ignorance if they don't give it a chance to make up for it in different ways. Thats why I don't really like anime though, because its rare they can make up for a lack of animation, thats just a personal preference.

Its the same for weeaboos, ignorance makes them wave off every western cartoon as "hurr kiddy shit, not artistic and DEEP enough", if they gave some a chance, they might understand why people enjoy it.

Different strokes for different folks, theres a lot of culture snobs on both sides that make any discussion on it a nightmare though

I don't know why but I almost always find pron drawn in the anime style to be a lot more appealing then in a US comic book style.

As for the issue of it actually being made. The companies in Japan actually don't like the fact porn is being made off their properties however they tolerate it because its not worth the legal costs and the fact the people who make and sell them barely make back what it cost to produce it.

>>21036511
>"hurr kiddy shit, not artistic and DEEP enough"
You know you're talking about people who just watch shows about "little girls doing cute things" all day long right?

Half the anime fans are just people who would rather see the same archetype/personality recycled into a new vessel repeatedly for the rest of their lives. I hate that.

>>21036511
>Its the same for weeaboos, ignorance makes them wave off every western cartoon as "hurr kiddy shit, not artistic and DEEP enough",

But see, I can understand that. Outside rare shows like Avatar, Wakfu, Armored Adventures, and Beast Wars, it's all crap. And even those shows pale in comparison to the common stuff like Naruto and One Piece.

American animation just feels completely obsolete to me; anything we do can be done in Japan better.

>>21036599
>anime fans are just people who would rather see the same archetype/personality recycled into a new vessel repeatedly for the rest of their lives.

My feelings exactly. There isn't going to be any Japanese character who does hamboning or ca-ca-ca-cocaine or have to pay bills or have a real conversation.

1. The West is still stuck in the Animation Is For Kids Ghetto - beating a dead horse, I know.

2. They don't outsource their animation. It breaks my heart knowing that shows from Avatar to Animaniacs were almost all animated by studios in Korea.

For the sake of balance, the biggest thing I hate about Anime is that everyone looks the same. This whole "ambiguous nationality/mukokuseki" thing the weeaboos came up with is bullshit - the Japanese draw Japanese people. They can't and probably won't draw anyone BUT Japanese people. If they draw whites or blacks, it's because they're probably being forced to or they want to show how ignorant the rest of us are, and they caricature the fuck out of them because they're so xenophobic and shut-in that most of them don't even know what an actual white/black person looks like.

>>21036599
>Half the anime fans are just people who would rather see the same archetype/personality recycled into a new vessel repeatedly for the rest of their lives. I hate that.

Like Cowder, Flapjack, Adventure Time, and every other show that features a niave/dumb little boy having wacky random no-plot adventures?

Or Batman cartoon #127 and Spider-Man cartoon #172?

>>21036643
That... you're just trolling right?

There aren't actually people stupid enough to hold opinions like this.

>>21036643
>There isn't going to be any Japanese character who does hamboning or ca-ca-ca-cocaine or have to pay bills or have a real conversation.
False. They're rare, but there are a few anime that can be serious and have believable characters, as long as you understand japanese society is different than ours.

>>21033755
>They have better porn, and....

>No, that's about it.

That's like saying my neighbor has a better ONE BILLION FUCKING DOLLARS, that's it.

Having better porn is a big deal.

Also, by porn, I mean rule 34. Their actual porn is mostly shit.

>>21036511

Well a majority of cartoons are aimed at kids in the US. Only a few manage to appeal to a wider audience. If they don't have the "Cartoons are for kids only" mentality that is.

Also its true that anime doesn't have as fluid animation as some US cartoons but they do well with what they got. However remember that a lot of cartoons are drawn in a very simple style and other a major movie productions. There is also the issue that one episode budget of a US cartoon can equal a 12~20 ep of an anime.

There are some studios that can be creative with the limited budget. SHAFT does that pretty well.

>>21036239
You can say that but there is a larger number of anime shows that are produced every season compared to new cartoon IPs. I mean, looking at /co/ right now, the most heavily discussed cartoon happens to be... my little pony?

That's unfortunate to the say the least when there is only 1-2 cartoons that you can even post pictures about at one time and expect some people responding consistently. At best for variety, you have the random animated tv show (simpsons, king of the hill, whatever) that pops up every now and then before settling down for the daily <show of the season(s) here> thread.

/a/ also has daily threads but at least it's easier to find thread on a show that you like most of the time (outside what eventually culminated in code geass where you couldn't find anything but code geass.) On the flip side, manga threads are far more random and rare compared to the load of comic threads available on /co/ so it's not like /co/ doesn't have it's positives.

>>21036695

I dunno - sometimes I think their obsession with Rule 34 is the reason we have so much sexualization of underage characters here; they saw the Japanese making everything into porn, and figured it was okay to interpret everything as porn here.

>>21036721
>IMPLYING /co/ SHOULDN'T HAVE COMICS

>>21036712
>There are some studios that can be creative with the limited budget. SHAFT does that pretty well.
And because of a certain show that will go unnamed, people on /a/ hate shaft because of a single rushed episode. It's sad because their style can be appealing.

Basically what I want to say is /a/ hates everything and can't enjoy things that are different.

This thread is pure unadulterated butt hurt from both spectrums

>>21036665
>niave/dumb little boy having wacky random no-plot adventures?
When did we start talking about anime again?

>>21036662

>I hate about Anime is that everyone looks the same

You haven't watched a lot of anime have you?

> the Japanese draw Japanese people

Of course they do , why do you think the majority of characters in the US are white ?

This is most noticeable in anime (at least for me): anime character is offered a drink, and their response is always the same, regardless of their personality or background -

"I can't drink - I'm underage!"

So it's acceptable to have underwear-stealing perverts and violent hooligans, but absolutely nobody drinks before they're of age.

ITT weeaboos think that action-melodrama is "deep" and tween melodrama is "slice of life."

Want to know where the deep western shows are? Live action.
The Sopranos, Deadwood, The Wire, Breaking Bad. THOSE are deep shows, that really deal with issues. Your precious post-apocalyptic anime about a young boy who's taken into slavery doesn't really deal with anything, it's all melodrama over melodrama over melodrama.

>>21036691
Sure I'll take your word, person who has never been to Japan and gets their understanding of how people interact from cartoons.

>>21036762

What show are you talking about?

The show I was referring to about being creative with a limited budget was Hidamari Sketch, in scenes where they'd use symbols or names you represent a character walking along something instead of just animating it.

>>21036786
>writing all anime characters don't look the same

Japanese comedy tend to have stories even if they're primarily comedies. Take Mitsudomoe, each episode is pretty standalone, and there's no real overall plot to it, but there's a nice line of continuity you don't see in American comedies. And I don't mean references to past episodes, but how it actually feel like the episodes are in some order or the characters grow over time and it takes place in a passing timeframe

For example, Futaba wears a karate Gi for the first four episodes, but during the middle of the fourth she cuts it up to make pencil cases out of to give to each of her sisters since she smashed the pencil cases their dad gave them when they started school. After that episode, she never wears the Gi again since it's gone, and actually later on in another episode we see Futaba and Hitoha threw away the cases, but Mitsuba kept hers (Mitsuba originally saying she didn't care about it and it was no big deal, but this kind of shows she was lying and really does value it the most of the three sisters) Then there's stuff like Hitoha seeing Gatchi-Rangers for the first time in episode 7 then every episode after that involves her finding some way to get over being shy and find people who also like it (eventually some classmate's little brother) and when characters hate each other or get into a fight, it carriers over to other episodes rather than just being reset at the end. There's lots of stuff like that in the show, along with it being completely hilarious. Hitoha's growth over the show is amazing, and hilarious, and something entirely unheard of for American animation.

Plus it doesn't look like some cheap/churned out Flash garbage

>>21036857
Its an old gag. Think of it as the whole mattress tag pulling thing that was so common in western media for decades.

>>21036786

Oh, I've seen plenty - I got out of it when I realized they could only draw four faces and hairstyles and that everyone's characterization is based on eye and hair color.

And the fact that the Japanese draw Japanese people isn't what bothers me - it's that the fans try to defend is as drawing people "with ambiguous features."

They're not ambiguous, you fucksacks - they're Japanese, quit lying to yourselves.

Pic related - it's actual "ambiguous features."

>>21036786
Show me one western show where the entire main cast looks the same.

>>21036970
Such detailed faces... and such varied features. Truly anime is leagues ahead of western animation.

There's better chances of unique shows in Japan.

You know, all those crazy plots. A guy who can see microbes and his transsexual friend learn about bacteria, a wolf goddess and some shmuck learn about economics, a latina criminal and a little girl traverse a central-america-inspired fictional world in search for the little girl's father, etc. etc.
Except for kid's shows that have random imaginative setups merely as the setup for episodic things like Flapjack or Adventure Time, there are no more unique overarching plots. In fact, there are few overarching plots in general.

>>21036945

>it's that the fans try to defend is as drawing people "with ambiguous features."

Never heard of anyone making claims like that.

>>21037002
>he thinks convoluted plots are deep or interesting

with flash you can shit out an episode for pennies, but there's still nothing interesting coming out in the west.

why can't there be a yugioh ripoff with MTG cards or something?

>>21037019
He didn't say deep...

>>21037041
Chaotic

>>21037041
Think there was plenty of "western" attempts at the rip-offs that you are talking about, especially on the all cartoon channels. Haven't been a kid since the 90's though so don't really know if they're actually successful shows/franchises or not, just see them sometimes whenever I babysit my sister's kids.

Did you hear TONY STARKU IS IN JAPAN?

I like watching both East and West.

I try to only watch the best quality stuff from all genres.

>>21037019
I didn't say the plots were deep or convoluted. Can't you think coherently for yourself without having to fall back on buzz words?

>>21037155
>all those crazy plots
Oh, sorry, you must have meant that these plots are shallow and simple. In that case, I agree.

>>21037041

Because there is an actual story to follow with MtG. There are story arcs that come from every single block.

Mirrodin, Kamigawa, Ravnica, Time Spiral, Alara, and Lorwyn/Shadowmoor all had overarching plots with Planeswalkers and legendary creatures in the world play their part in the stories. Doing anything even associated with a Yugi-type "children's card games for drama" story would be bullshit.

Flash animated... okay, Akumi the Hunter was flash animated and so was the first season of chaotic and they looked alright. But doing a block per 13 episode series with some eps to cover the webcomics wouldn't be too terrible rather than any of the faggotry that Yugi ever pulled, no matter how interesting the drama was.

>>21036970
No one?

>>21036970
Well, there's The Smurfs and My Little Pony and a few other shows based on "the happy lives of magical creatures", but those shows were meant to be indistinct for toy-making purposes.

>>21037002
Overarching plots my ass. Japan has filler. America actually gets into stories without wasting time so they can finish a thought in one episode rather than having seven episodes dedicated to the same conversation.

>>21036627
>Avatar
>not as good as Naruto or One Piece

>This thread

>>21037071
meh, chaotic is more of an action show, they hardly explain how the card game actually works.

yugioh is confident enough in its game that the show explains how it's played. a similar 'srs business with cards' show could easily work with MTG.

>>21037263
Problem, Anon?

>>21037196
Try to be subtler next time. You came on too strong with that last bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkzFnQBV5Hs

So... a Supernatural anime?

What is Supernatural about?

>>21037373
Two brothers who fight ghosts and shit while girls write porn about them fucking on the internet.

>>21037301

Wait, so people mock certain western cartoons for being glorified toy commercials, but here you are praising yu-gi-oh for blatently shilling its card game better than another show?

>>21036970
You are a moron.

Here we go – anime primarily uses more realistic proportions and shies away from stuff like Dexter’s Lab and such because it is often designed to carry a serious plot, one that would suffer if all the characters were six or seven triangles taped together. This singular style has many subsets, and you’re blind if you can’t see them. You are ALSO blind if you can’t see that all popular western animation utilizing character designs on the more realistic end of the spectrum (examples: Disney films, Batman Beyond, Ben 10, Jackie Chan, X-Men Evo, whatever) also just use variations on the same father-style.

Take off Samurai Jack's topknot and he's Bruce fucking Wayne.

/a/non here, I always wanted to know what you guys discuss with most of your shows aimed at kids or male teens and not having a bunch of new shows every season like we do.

It's so sad how some of you want to staunchly defend great and amazing America.

>>21037210

Of course it would be easy when a lot of the styles used in american cartoons are incredibly exaggerated.

You on the other hand picked a series which uses an very simple art style as well as having characters that share the same uniform.

>>21037428
There are enough comics to discuss besides the daily Accelerator vs. Flash threads

I love /a/ threads on /co/

shows just how shitty /co/ really is

Awesome fanart and the fact that anime is allowed to cater to demographics other than children.

>>21036990
>>21036970
>expecting Japanese girls that actually look Japanese to not look the same.

>>21037416
>he thinks realistic proportions means no variation
>he thinks there's ANY excuse for a show to have 20 identikit characters

Sure is weeaboo around here.

Higurashi was the only anime that I ever watched that was worth a goddamn and I only had the patience to finish the first chapter or whatever the fuck it's called.

That's all.

>>21037449
Yeah, their faces are so different from each other in this one! Oh wait, no, they're nearly identical. They might as well have been made on a template thread on 4chan.

>>21037428
What flavor of Scooby Snack Scooby likes best.

>>21037508
>he thinks there's no variation

What have you watched, Bleach and Naruto?

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>>21037416
Samebodying is just as bad as samefacing.

>>21037546
Yes, I've seen this reply before. Are the more detailed faces the norm? NO. Plus four of those faces are the generic anime face.

The vast majority of anime is girls and guys who share the same big eye no-nose triangle-mouth style. Deal with it.

>>21037428
Well /a/non

We discuss movies a lot of the time and we usually get quite a few straight to video animated projects or TV shows like The Walking Dead. That or games based upon the properties.

The audience demographic for some of the animated stuff from /co/ much of the time is skewed younger because of the moronic ideals of those in charge, but it's not like everyone can't enjoy it or put their own interpretation on it. Besides, look at a mainstream DC comic from month to month. Despite the older costume sense, there is a lot of Rated R stuff going on there that would fly over the heads of some kids.

Oh, and I've got to say it anyway. "Apples and Oranges. There is no Red vs Blue. It's all the same shit, just comes from different places."

I remember when Zetsubou Sensei was airing, /a/ would have threads for each individual girl.

>>21037449
Soul Eater is shit, can we start using an actually decent show as an example of good anime?