Dropped.

If this book is a success, by any means, you people sicken me.

I cant believe all of OMD, all of EVERY FUCKING THING...

Led to this fucking moment. Just so Quesada could tell fans "There, you see? No Peter can have all the guilt free sex he wants!".

Fuck you, Quesada. You're /co/'s Kotick.Good business man? Yes, but horrible, horrible editorial direction for a company.

Seriously, I dont know how you guys can accept this.
Just because a lot of the stories are good, doesnt mean you should accept this shit. It's like continuing to have someone as a boyfriend, when he recently raped you violently....because he's a nice guy overall.

LOOOOLLLLL

fucking Quesada

It is no wonder new readers reject cape books. They are just a vehicle for some fat playboy's ego.

Well well well.

What's the next convention that Joe Quesada is appearing at? I vote that whoever is going there skip everything else and go straight to Quesada and scream in his face for five minutes straight.

... Seriously?

What the fuck?

Middle aged comic authors SURE KNOW WHAT LOVE IS GUYZ

I say this not with any hyperbole, and not as an empty threat.

If I ever see Quesada, I'm going to spit in his face. I don't care what the consequences are. I'm going to look him straight in the eye and aim for the mouth.

Whilst terrible...this now opens way...

FOR MS. MARVEL X SPIDER-MAN OTP!

Yay :D

I cant relate to Peter at all, really.

I dont know what Marvel's thing is lately, but he's no longer the average joe-dude-guy, or anything like that.

Swinging bachelor thing is overplayed, and most guys my age just want to find a nice girl to bring to the folks and pop out a few kids, find a steady job that you can ride the corporate track to the top, or maybe open up your own business.

Peter's just this...this awful, lack luster loser that up to a month ago was living with his aunt.He already has a bachelor's degree!

GET A JOB, YOU BUM.
STOP LIVING OFF YOUR AUNT.

>>19896657


You're assuming Carol wouldn't get fed up with his dumb ass. And Peter IS a fucking dumbass under JQ.

I don't care, just want to read Spider-Man again.

Really looking forward to Big Time.

The peter parker that we knew has been dead since OMD.

All that is left is a perverted man child who acts very much against his responsibilities. This was marvel trying to salvage it, but they only made things worse by:

A) This last page.

B) Basically stirring up the hornets nest again by talking about OMD

What is sad is that the younger generation has been put off by this new hip/single effectively man-child Parker.

It only worked in the comics before because we knew parker was a upstanding guy and that despite what came his way he would press on.

Now that is gone. We have a spider-man that will sell out aka make a deal with the devil.

That integrity is gone and is never coming back. Marvel is just digging it's own hole and turning away new and older readers.

God I can't wait for the day a new EIC comes to marvel.

Does someone have "HERALD MY RAGE"?

Because that feels appropriate here, and I never got around to saying it.

I'll admit, I've never been a big Spiderman reader, but from what I HAD read, those two had a great dynamic together.

...M-maybe it'll turn out that MJ is actually Lyja, and everything will be okay!

>>19896619

Ooh ooh, I volunteer.

I even have a replica of a promotional card Marvel used to promote the marriage.

I'm gonna ask Joey Q to sign it.

They managed to take probably one of the few good scenes from OMD and they REWROTE IT USING THE SAME LAYOUT BUT CHANGING THE DIALOGUE TO MAKE MJ A BITCH.

You'd imagine Marvel would have been completely bombarded with letters about OMD by now. Doesn't Marvel realize that the only people that buy comics anymore are the diehard fans? You don't piss off your damn customers, and they just seem to be rubbing it in more and more.

>>19896783
According to their website, Quesada is scheduled to appear at NYCC. I dunno if there's any other conventions that happen before that in which he'll make an appearance, but whatever.

Also, it turns out Amanda Conner kinda looks like Power Girl, or at least from the neck up. Either way, somebody has to scream in Quesada's face for me, since I couldn't do it at SDCC since I couldn't find him.

>>19896774
You know what, you hit a point that's been bothering me of late.
It's how the man child seems to be promoted now, with Seth Rogan films, Scott Pilgrim, etc. Too many times, the character is shown to be this directionless, horny slacker, and I'm starting to think it's rubbing off on people as okay.
It just seems to be doing more harm than good.

Is there any chance now that Marvel will stop writing Peter like he's a complete idiot (when he's supposed to be a smart guy) or is that a little too much to hope for?

Well then I'm off to find out Glen Beck's email so I can slander Quesada's name with actual facts by using Glen Beck as my avatar of frustration

>>19896825

ASM lost 60 thousand readers. they know everyone hates it, they just are too stubborn to admit it.

This only reinforces by belief of never buying another spider-man book until Marvel gets rid of Quesada.

Only expectation I make is for older trades and for spider-girl. *Spider-girl sadly being gone now.

Thank you Quesada by removing all of Spidey's great responsibilities, you ruined Spidey's great power

>>19896863
Ever wonder why you've never seen them in the same room together?

>>19896852

I agree completely.

They have changed the charcter into just being a sarcastic selfish asshole.

Spidey worked because he could be sarcastic, but you knew their was a good, decent guy underneath.

I feel like the only reason marvel really did this was to get Peter sleeping with the black cat again.

plz sum1 expln

Haw haw

I haven't been reading ASM since One More Day. I spend my time and money on GOOD comics, like Agents of Atlas, Incredible Hercules, and Guardians of the Galaxy.

...Wait, what's that? They all got canceled? And ASM still is going on? FUCK YOOOOOOOOU COMIC FANS

>>19896984
>I feel like the only reason marvel really did this was to get Peter sleeping with the black cat again.

Nah, that's thankfully over now too. Shit was painful to watch. OMD and BND turned Peter, MJ, and Black Cat into unsympathetic assholes.

There are no words.

HEY GUYS, HOW DO YOU LIKE MY MAKEOVER

Modern day Spider-Man comics are truly dead.

A little part of my soul dies each time I say this.

;_;

>>19896984
>>They have changed the character into just being a sarcastic selfish asshole.
I think you just summed up what's really been pushing me away from 616 Spider-Man.
The swingers angle always painted a selfish quality to a character, but that seems to be an angle Marvel is going with a lot lately, with shallow relationships and just being wishy-washy.
It's sort of like watching a lot of Seinfelds in a row. You just get depressed because the characters don't seem to learn and just keep dooming their lives to loneliness.

Dropped like a motherfucking spirit bomb.

While I already had sworn off the Spider-man books due to OMD, this is really pushing me to flat out drop marvel altogether.

The ONLY way to change this would be to fire the entire editorial department from head to bottom and rehire new people along with an influx of new readers.

Marvel is only going down the tubes if this keeps up.

>>19897251
They have to not only basically fire the current staff but then whoever they hired to fix it would literally have to resort to IT WAS ALL A DREAM.

ASM is that fucked up. There is no other workable way to fix it.

>>19897040
How about this.
If you read this post, and didn't like what's happening to this book, don't by it. No matter how tempting it is. Tell others to do the same.
Let's see what happens if ASM gets canceled, dangerously close to being canceled.

I can't believe you guys didn't drop this two years ago. Better late than never I guess.

after OMD, I thought about cancelling my subscription, but I waited because I wanted my kids (i don't have any yet) to be able to read volumes of ASM like I did when I was young. It's unfortunate that the series has gone in this direction, but i'm done with it. I cancelled my subscriptions to all Marvel books today and sent an email that will most likely never be read. It was done in such poor taste, that you almost have to wonder what the point of it was.

Oh well. I still have Daytripper 10 to read and i'm sure that will ease my troubled mind.

>>19897284
I dropped it after OMD. I hope that the few remaining dregs of readers will drop it as well. What a clusterfuck, seriously.

>>19897251
>rehire new people

Call the British!

>>19897040
Not to mention Spider-Girl which was the last bastion of sanity for fans of a married, responsible Peter with principles.

>>19897312

God damn, I'm still really sore they canceled Spider-girl.

It was basically classic good spider-man stories.

Damn it Marvel.

>>19897312

Oh God, I just remembered that was canceled for the new 616 Spider-Girl

Excuse me, I have to go drink heavily.

>>19897312
People don't want responsibility anymore!
They want the fun life! They want a guy who can sleep with many girls and face no consequences!
They want lol's and action! Who cares about responsibilities and morals if they encourage the inner bastard in you!

>>19897073

This pic reminds me of a story a friend told me.

During the con season when OMD was taking place he met and asked Stan Lee what he thought about it. He said that he "hated the idea and it was just dumb."

However, he went on to say that he could never say anything publicly in fear of upsetting the higher echelons in marvel editorial and corporate.

This pic is probably his actually reaction to OMD. Yet, he keeps having to say it's ok to try and save face over it.

;_;

i feel like ive just been shat on. this is too much.

fuck this, fuck the series, i'll be back once quesada is gone.

>>19896852
Its a real issue with our generation and something that's going to bite us in the ass in the future big time.

>>19897490
Which goes back to my man child comment.
I'm not saying all characters have to be roll models, but when you make them all sleazy, it could have a negative effect.
Hell, you got hundreds of kids going to collage with some of the stupidest expectations who get kicked out cause they idiotically wasted it.

I've stopped at OMD.

Sorry, can't support a megalomaniac. I don't even care if Spider-man had some good stories, I won't pay for another book of his until this mess is cleaned up.

And not a single fuck has been given, I dropped this shit like Hiroshima and Nagasaki a long time ago, and I might drop Ultimate as well

>>19896619
>>19896639
You know how everyone always jokes they're going to go up to Rob Liefeld at a convention, and give him an anatomy book as a gift? And then some guy ended up actually doing it to Rob, and it just made that guy look like a huge douche?

Just drop the books and sperg about it over the internet guys.

Requesting that pic of Quesada as Metaphisto saying "It's magic. I don't gotta explain shit."

Lord know it applies here.

>>19897539
It just depresses me a little to realise that to make Peter a figure male audiences can relate with, today, that figure is essentially the slob whose life is going nowhere.

This becomes particularly transparent in 642, where he makes a quip about the classifieds failing to advertise for "scientific geniuses". Peter is an incredibly smart man; for someone like him, not being able to work as a professional photographer should be a very minor hurdle with all of his other talents.
He's a bum by necessity of the demographic who read him.

>>19897619
I hope he got a picture with him

>>19897612
I dropped Ultimate awhile ago. I don't even know what Bendis was trying to do there, but whatever it was just did not work.

>>19897539

I think it's more an issue of mass media pandering to slacker manchildren than it is the mass media creating them.

I'm a bit of a slacker manchild myself, but at least I have the decency to be ashamed of it.

About to read 642. I'm so glad this OMiT shit's over and hope that ASM gets back to being awesome.

>>19897629
It depresses everyone, and want to know something funny? Quesada wants to cater to those slobs, but even more funny is that that's not his demographic, and never will be. This is about as stupid as making Batman be autistic to appeal to wider audiences.

In the long run this is more self fulfillment and angst ruining a comic than marketing

>>19897629
He's been a bum for decades. HURR I HAVE AN IQ OF 220+ HURR I FREELANCE PHOTOSHOOT EVEN THOUGH ALLEGEDLY IM AS SMART AS REED, TONY OR TCHALLA

The most stable job he ever got was the teaching thing and he fucked that up with being late due to Spider-man and then of course unmasking. People saying it was due to BONG are wrong. All that shit went down in Friendly

>>19897677
>>19897629
So wait is Pete being written as a slacker now?
Because I always thought his whole schtick was he LOOKS like one but in reality it's only because he's Spiderman.
He never makes it to class or on dates or has a nice apartment because he's obligated to being Spidey right now.

>>19897634
I think we got a video. By all accounts the guy had his head down and tried to mumble something witty as he handed it to Rob, and finally just bolted away.

Of course he than went on the internet and acted like he was the cock of the fuckin walk.

>>19897740
To qualify this...doesn't anyone remember how much MJ used to bitch about rent and whatnot? Yes even though Peter and MJ had been married for years they never bought a house or anything because she was doing...whatever and Parker wasn't making enough money due to superheroics

>>19895059
Damn, but this is depressing. Let's think on a more positive note: if you were called on to fix OMD (no "all just a dream" allowed), how would you do it?

>>19897677
If your living that lifestyle and don't feel ashamed of it, then there is a problem.
I know I'm being blunt here, but this is something I truly believe.
I know the argument of "TV made me do it," is dumb, but when you cater to them that it's okay to be like them until responsibility shows up, I think that there people would look back and feel a TON of regret.
And making Spider-Man, essentially the poster hero for Marvel, be this aimless slacker just makes it depressing rather than likable.

Peter's responsibility is more then just his wife people.

>>19897842
You're right.
So how's that teaching job and unborn child going?

>>19897761
no, I don't

I seriously love how you people get so enraged at this Spider-man business and how much you HAAAAATE Quesada for it.

This stupid Spider-man retcon shouldn't invalidate Joe's entire career, so I would say you're all overreacting in general.

I would.

However, I do think this OMIT series was just one long twist of the knife to fans, and especially really wasn't needed when they should just be trying to tell good stories with their new status quo. Isn't Mark Waid doing an arc soon? Mark Waid's rad.

the whole "Peter must suffer" thing is REALLY old at this point, just as old and annoying as "Rogue can't love and/or fuck anyone"

I keep reading how so many people love and prefer Gwen Stacy over MJ

Gwen died before I was born, for fuck sake

>>19897809
Before Siege was done I thought it was all going to be Norman's fault.

Now I dunno Spidey gets hit in the face with a pigeon bongs his head on a rail and remembers everything?
MJ seems to remember and they start dating again.

>>19896836
>Also, it turns out Amanda Conner kinda looks like Power Girl, or at least from the neck up.
>at least from the neck up.
Which means she doesn't look anything like Power Girl. That'd be about as important as saying a girl wearing the same shoes as Power Girl looks similar.

I don't understand why people get so upset about this. Yes, it's stupid, but there have been some great arcs since OMD. Just ignore the stuff by Quesada.

>>19897917
You know how this should end?
Spider-Man goes to hell and battles Mephisto.
Oh wait, that would be too awesome.

>>19897938
Quesada got away with it, imagine what else that means he could get away with

>>19897870
The teaching job was axed due to Civil War. The unborn child was never ever going to get done. If that were the case baby May would've been alive back in '01 when they had that whole story to bring Aunt May back.

>>19897740

I find it stupid that Tony would be unwilling to rehirehim in the science department. Reed is too self involved and Tchalla is eating chicken and showing how black people are more developed than the rest of the world but Tony? Oh man, Tony has basically pushed all of the Civil War shit under a sheet and pretends it never happened so I cannot see why Peter can't ask him for a grant or a small job developing things next to his super heroics like Ultimate Reed.

Peter is basically a bum because he makes himself a bum. If he revealed himself to SHIELD then they would probably set him with a lab developing more things like the web shooters.

>>19897939
Or Spider-Man uses Loki's magic crystal thingie like a pokeball to summon him and use up that one favor to make Loki battle Mephisto.

>LOKI-CHU, I CHOOSE YOU!

>>19897870
The teaching job was a neat idea, sort of, but not really a dealbreaker? And we've had entire decade to shit on the writers for not letting the child live.

I hate you so fucking much Quesada.

>>19897992
I think the teaching job was a great sign of maturity for Peter's part.

>>19897938
>Yes, it's stupid, but there have been some great arcs since OMD

No, there really hasn't. The "good" arcs since OMD are only perceived as good because everyone is used to such utter shit since OMD. Re-read ACTUAL good arcs pre-OMD then read the good arcs post-OMD; the post-OMD stuff is still shit.

>>19897992
Actually the first confirmation that his kid was dead came from John Byrne. The writers prior to him (especially DeFalco) wanted to keep Baby May around.

>>19898022 great sign of maturity for Peter's part.

now you know why it was axed

>>19897972
It's because Superhero stuff doesn't like to mingle unless it's a big event.

Peter Parker has been doing this for years. You can't just blame it now due to Joey Q. The only thing he did was undo the marriage which will get retconned back anyway. And the stories have been much fun ever since we got out of the first few months of that BND shit anyway. But it's not like being married made him this responsible guy who paid all his bills and had kids and a stable job.

He was STILL living with Aunt May (and MJ). He was STILL being a freelance photographer. And he was STILL standing people up to do the Spider-man stuff.

JMS only made it a bit better by having his house get burned down (well May's house) and having them live with Tony (which caused problems on its own. Stupid to have heroes live with civilians anyway. I mean look what happened in Identity Crisis with Dr. Light)

>>19897972

Shit, just selling the web-shooter and webbing formula would make him enough money to live the rest of his life on. And then cops and firefighters and paramedics could use them and save way more lives than Spiderman alone ever could.

>>19898026
take off your rose colored glasses fanboy

Strazinski made some fucking stinkers too and started that mystic spider totem bullshit

>>19898026
>My Opinion > Your Opinion

>>19898026
Opinion. And no I disagree. Post Morlun and Aunt May reveal really wasn't that great. He had some solid stuff ehre and there like the radioactive gangster but other than that forgettable.

>>19898035
Which brings me back to the man child thing.

>>19898022
I did too, but I didn't miss it when it was gone.
>>19898030
This makes alot of sense actually. Fuckin Byrne.

>>19897932
Okay, so she has the same hairstyle as her. They only had headshots on the website.

If I ever get a writing job, and I get to write a story for Spider-Man, I'm going to throw all continuity out the window and go straight back into the Silver Age and bring back that one "human robot" from the Tribute to Teen-Agers special.

Then it'll turn out that she was Gwen Stacy the whole time, and then it turns out that her kids actually belonged to her sluttier, unmentioned twin sister. Also Aunt May falls down a flight of stairs and is condemned to a wheelchair. Of course, Peter will blame himself forever, until one day May just snaps and tells him to stop whining.

>>19898079
The thing is that this was put in place before BONG. Peter has been a manchild for a while. Don't you folks remember when Byrne was doing things and MJ was "Dead" and he was hanging out with Robbie's son? He didn't have a stable job then and even got evicted at one point

>>19898022

A job? How can an immature slacker like me relate to that?

I think it'd be much more realistic if he simply cashed his trust fund check every month like the rest of us.

>>19897809
There would be a scene where he gets unmasked and this causes the magic to wear off, everyone starts to remember the truth. However this comes at a price since that causes the magic keeping Aunt May alive to stop working, the time line has corrected itself but was it really for the better?

It's a rough idea

>this thread

Y'know that page is speaking directly to you guys, right? The guys that can't let go of a fictional relationship while ignoring real life ones?

And then /co/ was the manchildren.

>>19897740
Uhmmm no before the whole civil war ordeal he was working for Stark in many labs and with one of his old buddies on a new power armor thing for soldiers.

Sure he was then jobless when shit hit down and a fugitive but hell it would've been a much more interesting read then "Peter Parker: Bachelor Man"

>>19898158
He was a teacher. Where did he ever work directly for Stark? He teamed up with him. Stark allowed him to live at his tower. But his official job was teacher and he fucked that up on his own. No Mephisto at that point. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but they never showed Peter working in a lab or getting a check from Stark. And even if this was the case it's not like Stark is even in a position to hire him again since he's redoing his corporation yet again in his own book.

>>19895059
You know what needs to happen? Spidey needs to team up with Deadpool (who's the only one who knows about the ret-con; plus those two need to team up more up often), and then they both have to team up with the one man powerful enough and with enough experience with Mephisto to fight him--VICTOR VON FUCKING DOOM.

tl;dr Spidey/Deadpool/Doom VS. HELL. Fund it.

He's not a manchild. He just can't get his life together. A manchild would be implying he's hanging out and smoking weed. But he got blacklisted due to trying to help Jonah and never graduated from college which has been around for a long time. It's not for lack of trying but the whole PARKER LUCK has been the "relatble" factor of Spider-man

i dropped all spidey solo books aftrer OMD, but i kept a close look at the OMIT threads here to know if they were going to fix it or not. instead, they made it WORSE.

i'm reading two Marvel books (Avengers) and that's it. in those two years my disgust with the company slowly made me drop daredevil, x-men, dark wolverine and initiative.

>>19897490 Its a real issue with our generation and something that's going to bite us in the ass in the future

it already is. look around. we live in a world of angry women and docile men. not even a maternal world, a paternal world of pussified fathers and angry women.

>Pay money to enjoy comic
>Open up to a load of shit that will effect every future storyline in a way you don't like
>Drop the comic like an anvil


No, I don't think I'll be picking up another Spider-man comic. Certainly not paying for it, when I can go to a fanfic site read a shitty story and be disappointed for free.

>>19898257
Initiative ended.

>>19898224
No he actually worked for him, and one of his buddies from highschool too, and his buddy fucked things for both of them, Stark forgave him and started manipulating him during the whole Civil War clusterfuck that was about to happen.

And you know what? It's a comic I bet Stark has alot of time and resources to hire many people like Peter due to this.

I can't even read 616 lately but MA continues to be entertaining at least.

Not a bad issue in this run yet

>>19898291
Are you talking about that guy who got covered in Vibranium? Who burned down Aunt May's house? IIRC that was some extra work I don't remember Peter getting paid for that.

And are you people still blaming Tony for what happened with Spidey during Civil War? Peter is an adult he could've went to Canada and just chilled. Tony didn't even twist his arm.

And Tony is broke now. Fraction had his company stripped down to nothing for what the 3rd time? Bendis acknowledges this in his Avengers book

I doubt any of the writers would even go that route since it would be logical anyway and for some reason people can't rub shoulders longer for a huge crossover or a few issues in their own books.

>>19898257
>Using comic books...superhero comic books to complain about the social issues of modern western civilization

seriously?

>>19898349
Peter has daddy issues, he's easily led astray by father figures.

inb4 sticky

Not happy with this.

Did this even explain any of the OMD bullshit specifically, or is it still a wizard did it?

>>19898349
I'm not blaming him for it, and no Parker was alluded to be working for Stark all the time, not only that but don't you remember that Stark was stealing Peter's Spider-Sense for his own armor?

>>19898269

i dropped it before it ended. and avengers academy is a sequel to that, if you want to get technical.

>>19898397
Some fat guy fell on him and stayed that way all night so Peter ended up missing his wedding, MJ then compared him possibly not being there for his kids the same as beating them.

>>19898436
so Quesada stopped the wedding personally then

>>19898436

I dare you to make less sense.

>>19898436
It was Quesada's way of making Peter have the good old "Parker Luck" that he's been trying to shove down our throats when he's retconning things or fixes continuity issues. Not only that but that "Parker Luck" also made MJ into a TOTALLY not even mildly insecure bitch with bigger daddy issues then Spidey himself. Shit sux.

>>19898491
He was not joking dude, it actually happened, and mind you Spidey's taken hits from the Juggernaut and Hulk and never fainted, how can JQ honestly tell us a fat guy falling on him is stronger than the Juggernaut or Hulk?

Maybe he was secretely The Blob?

>>19898412
I guess. There's certainly no reason why Peter can't go work for Reed or whoever. I mean what was stopping him in the past? He never had a stable job until the teaching thing and they nerfed that in the bud. Considering the strict hours it was even a logical job to begin with since he's so hardcore on the spidey stuff.

My qualm is that people are blaming Joey Q for this sudden lack of responsibility and this slacker mentality when they clearly show Peter TRYING to get a job but failing due to X and Y reasons. Slackers don't even try.

Even when he was married there would be sub plots about MJ not being happy due to lack of money and lack of spending time with him. Granted this was back in the 90s when Bagley was on the book and clones were running around but again it existed BEFORE Bong.

Peter's MO has always been Im an underachiever. He's super smart and super powerful yet none of his peers can stand him and he's considered a B-Stringer by said peers. He never even was on staff on the Bugle and was always a Freelancer relying on his photos of Spidey to pay the bills.

And it was even worse during the Byrne reboot when he was living on the street and barely had a costume for a few issues. The guy has been a fuck up for a long while due to outside factors (well alot of times he just makes sstupid decisions too) but to suggest that this is a new thing is a fallacy.

I don't really care about this, because sooner or later they'll change it, we are talking comics here ffs, nothing is forever. I am reading Back in Black right now and it is unbelievable how bad was this event handled. the editing is fucked up

>>19898557
Back in Black was too long also the whole IMGOINGTOKILLYOUKINGPIN was ho hum. We all know you're not Peter. Stop it.

And Daredevil did the whole humiliating and beating the Kingpin within an inch of his life years ago.

>>19898584
well, i really like ASM part, but i don't want to argue this, I am just pointing how terribly were all titles tied together

>>19898549
Actually, during the 90's (or was it late 80s?) Peter made a major cash in from writing a book about his exploits on "Photographing Spider-Man"

Either way, Peter has always found a way to strike it rich along with MJ.

Now I know it's not new, but what I am saying is that it's new of Quesada, is the fact he's using the "demographics" excuse to fanfic Peter up.

Also as I said, it'd be much more interesting to see a much more mature Peter who now knows how to deal with death, travel around the country and eventually the globe with his waifu MJ, then some whiny fuck who could not get over his aunt dying and decided to be a bachelor forever

>>19898683
The Webs book was always talked about here and there (they even mentioned in a recent Web of Spiderman Short Story recently) but it wasn't like he became stable off of it. Living off the royalties because it was a bestseller a la Twilight or Potter books.

He never owned a house. He was still in debt. And he was still putting MJ aside to do the Spider Stuff.

Do they get by? Sure cause love saves the day and he's the hero. But I'd hardly call the dude stable. And again the Slacker accusation is mind boggling because we see Peter try in the books. Maybe people don't read it because they're mad about Mephisto.

This status quo isn't so much different from when John Byrne rebooted it and MJ was gone for several years except you know it's actually readable and good sometimes.

And I agree that having Peter "grow up" so to speak would've been better than going down the flipping sides route in Civil War. But that story arc was stupid and the whole making Tony to be the root of all evil was a bit too much.

Maybe Quesada has something planned on the same level of Animal Man, only instead of being genius, it will be seen as a total ripoff/cop-out?

>>19898801
No I'm pretty sure those royalties along with MJ's modeling gigs gave them pretty awesome shit, and when the whole "modern" "Spider-Man" no more in the 90s hit, MJ's modeling career was going off the hook with them living in a condo they would share with Aunt May, and Peter was also going to be doing work at a major Research institute and laboratory.

>>19898932
Oh yeah, that was the Byrne/Mackie reboot. It was hilarious because Byrne kept bitching about Peter being married to a supermodel.... when he was the one who brought Mary Jane back to being a supermodel in the late 90's.

>>19898932
Is this post or pre Clone saga? Because I remember none of it and most writers never did much with MJ in terms of her career. She had a brief thing with play acting PREBONG but this was erased and she's somewhat of a C list celebrity now hosting a knockoff of Heidi Klum's fashion show. Not this is bad or anything she's clearly stable and financially secure.

As for Peter I remember him moving to Oregon and doing a science job there but this was of course changed when he came back due to Osborn's return. I remmeber Bryne and Jenkins having him go out for interviews but always coming up short or something. The teaching thing was the first time I can remember where he had a real stable job

Why don't you guys go read Daredevil instead of the Amazing Self Pity Man?

>>19899019
Post. Come to think of it, they jettisoned her modelling career (Jonathon Caesar was trying to ruin her life) and the soap opera gig was dropped when she was almost attacked by a deranged fan of the show.

She didn't become a supermodel again until Byrne came on board the book.

>>19899056
Why don't you post with the correct background color?

I think that, if Spider-Man is ever going to recover from this endless chain of shit, somebody new needs to be hired and take the reins and save what was once a great series:

Geoff Johns

"Coming 2011: Spider-Man - Rebirth. Watch how Peter Parker undoes all the damage inflicted upon his life since that devilish pact with Mephisto as it is revealed in a shocking, unexpected twist that our hero had been possessed all along by Apathius, the demon of lazyness, who was ordered by Mephisto to enter Parker's body so that he would accept the pact.

Coming 2012: Spider-Man - Symbiote Corps War

>>19899157
Eh, why not. He'll probably kill the characters that've been introduced since BND though.

What was even the point of this?

I thought it was about explaining the new in-character continuity, and I guess it did that, but part of that was supposed to be EXPLAINING THE ACTIONS OF THE CHARACTERS, which it didn't do at all.

Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave?

She's been with Peter through hard times. Why did she pick this one to go nuts over and leave, instantly and without thinking about it?

Really. I've read 80% or so of the post marriage stuff (mostly missing stuff from around 98-2000). I can't EVER remember MJ thinking about leaving Peter because of danger, only because of his prissy, emo attitude when he was THE SPIDER before the clone saga.

So...OMiT failed. It didn't explain the one burning question, and failed to properly write a character that's been in the comic for 40+ years.

I'm ashamed of myself for reading this.

>>19899085
>implying I made the reaction face or that my point doesn't still stand
laughingfaggot.mkv

>Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave? Why the fuck did MJ leave?

She's been with Peter through hard times. Why did she pick this one to go nuts over and leave, instantly and without thinking about it?

It's called having a limit. JMS had her leave too but they got back together. It's not totally unbelivable for her to be like fuck this again. Bendis is doing the same thing in Ultimate.

>>19899157
>Symbiote Corps War

'Venomest Night' much?

Thanks, Quesada.
I really needed that spike in my blood pressure.

>>19899198
>JMS had her leave
What?
When?

>>19899198
>>JMS had her leave too but they got back together.

JMS didn't have her leave, that was Mackie, who wrote the issue prior to JMS' run.

I haven't read this, but I have a question, when OMIT ends, what exactly will change? he won't be with MJ? how is that a bad thing? I heard that some BND stories were great, despite the fact that OMD was shit, so why all of you think that ASM will suck after this bullshit ends? ASM can very easily be awesome right the first issue after OMIT

jesus chrsit the last time i was reading spiderman was the whole one more day/brand new day story arc

they still haven't moved on yet? glad to see i haven't missed anything in the past four years.

Didn't Thanos re=create the universe once and fix soemthing that was a major problem with it with the Infinity gems or soemthing? ....not like they could ever do this again or anything. or maybe there could be a growing problem with the universe caused form this event and all the cosmic marvel guys have to get gather up the gems to fix it and in turn fix OMD altogether just to say

"THERE!!! SEE!!!!! NOW ITS AAAAAAAAALLL BETTER!!!! Now please stop bitching at us."

>>19895059
This could be totally improved. I mean the last panel just needs fangs, and at least two additional eyes on Peter's face. Have the next issue begin with peter waking up in the room, now covered in spiderwebs with a bundled web-mummy dangling head down with little sprouts of red hair peeking out. Even if she wasn't dead after that, can you imagine what that could do for Peter's growth as a character? He'd keep all his relationships at arm's length because he'd never know if he might relapse again.

you know somewhere i still have the photo's of me attempting to burn a copy of OMD's Final chapter. Fucker took 2 cans of lighter fluid and when it FINALLY started burning it burned everything away bar the middle page spread of MJ and Peter and the BONG pages.
Swear to this day the damn thing was protected by satan itself

>>19899291
Thanos made it so that characters couldn't just die and come back to life the next week.

in b4 OMG STICKY

Spider-man issue 670:
It turns out the last few months of peter parker's life were all a dream!

Someone should storytime it in the sticky

Just an idea

meh great.. now i get to see marvel spider fags complaining every time I reload first page for days... just what i wanted...

>>19899233
Mackie didn't even have her leave, right? She "died" in a plane accident and didn't immediately come back.

AND THEN SHE DID.

>>19899528

why the fuck is this stickied

Has anyone alse noticed that /co/'s mod on turns Marvel threads into stickies?

>>19899702
because the mods are fucking gay thats why

>Sticky

Not big surprise. Any time something that reminds the mods of OMD comes up, it gets stickied. Every time.

I generally like what Quesada has done with Marvel in the last 10 years, but it seems like he has officially rammed a dildo up Peter Parker's poop shoot.

....should we just give Peter a mercy killing at this point?

Postin in an OMIT sticky.

>>19899705

DC really hasn't had anything worth stickying happen, there was that Cass one awhile back though

can someone answer this?

>>19899245

It's a sticky to contain all the inevitable bitching in response to the end of OMIT.

Speaking of which, did we ever find out what MJ whispered to Mephisto? I just scanned the issues so didn't take much in.

>>19899790
The artist and writer will change.

>>19899790
He won't be with MJ, with her blessing and without any guilt.

I'm not really keeping up with this series, did Peter essentially just get friendzoned?

>>19899737
you're joking right? cosmic marvel being stickied would be ok. this shit? no. its not that its marvel that makes it bad its that its boring ass parker shit.

sage the sticky to show my distaste and disgust

>>19899875
>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE

and in the next issue Lily is pregnant and flying around on a goblin glider giving birth.


wat.

>>19899875
Its being stickied is not a reflection of its quality, more on the inevitable fallout and nerdrage.

Fucking hell, Quesada. I usually don't buy into /co/'s OTP bullshit, but Peter/MJ is one of the few things in the comic world that I think it's pretty much not okay to fuck with. And my friends wonder why I don't read Marvel anymore.

I'm not even mad. I'm just...disappointed. Really disappointed.

>>19899728
what a useful and constructive post.

no really, you aren't the hugest faggot on 4chan for reusing that image.

OMIT pissed me off so much, I can't see STRAIGHT!

To be honest, while this was dumb, it isn't like ASM is unreadable (although I skipped OMiT as I didn't feel like spending money to angrily scream at comics). It isn't the comic it used to be certainly, but it is still fun to read. I don't know why people keep saying Peter is an asshole, aside from his editorial mandated faustain deal he is still basically a good guy trying to help out others.
He also isn't having nearly as much sex as people here seem to think. He had sex once with his roomate, and then it's implied he was having some casual sex with the Black Cat, his former girlfriend. That is hardly a (pardon the pun) swinger lifestyle

>>19899790
The point is, if Pete and MJ are going to stay apart, then what was the fucking point of the last five issues? Especially since the possibility of them some how coming together despite Mephisto's meddling would have been a neat story that was hinted to all along.
Now it comes to the end of this and it's LOL STILL SINGLE PETE

I don't get how Hank Pym can make the super science and being a super hero work, but Spiderman can't.

>>19897809
I know I'm late to this party but I wanted to comment on this.

First of all, I want you guys to give me the run down on all this shit. I didn't read the stuff from Bong onward because I only ever heard about it after reading Back in Black and read that chapter with Peter and MJ and all that sweet shit that went on. After I heard about it I couldn't go further. So gimme the facts, what all actually happened; I need to know if I want to try to write out how to fix it.

>>19899962

wikipedia.org

I'll put it like this. If this wasn't a Spider-man comic, that is to say it was a whole new comic with original characters then it would be pretty good. But since this is a Spider-man comic with characters that have more or less defined traits and morals it's complete shit. Like someone skimmed over the character bibles and said LETS MAKE A COMIC.

Who is this for? The kids buying the comic don't give a shit about PeterxMJ, they just want to see Spidey punch Doc Ock in his fucking mouth. The teens and adults buying the comic (us) are raging like fuck and people are dropping the book because of it.

In what world does this make sense as an editorial decision?

>>19899849
how is that a bad thing? maybe we get something new now

>>19899845
so when OMIT is done, It's done, why to boycott new artists who can bring something good?

I do not understand this rage, there are 640 issues of ASM and, well, this story arc is shit, so what?

>>19899962
Mephisto, in awesome magic fashion, went back and changed a few little variables in the past that led to events happening different culminating with Pete getting knocked out by a brick and missing his wedding. That's the point of divergence for the new post-BONG world. So Pete, as far as canon is now concerned, was never married.

just gunna leave these here.....

>people actually caring about canon

>>19900008
A story that pisses people off is better than one that elicits no reaction at all, Joe says.

he did all this for aunt may right?

is the old cunt still alive? Do we even nsee him visit her anymore? I havent really been keeping up with it.

For everyone here....

>>19899962
-During Civil War, Peter unmasked himself to the world. Due to this, Aunt May got targeted and shot.
-Peter and MJ made a deal with Mephisto to make his identity secret again in exchange for his marriage. They accepted. These were the last issue of JMS' run and apparently he wasn't happen about it.
-Brand New Day started, Peter is single and MJ is nowhere to be found at first. When she does show up again, it's revealed she still remembers Peter is Spider-Man.
-OMIT story of MJ and Peter talking. Mephisto went back in time as a bird and made it so Peter and MJ never got married. They stay together though, so all the old stories still count, just with them as a couple, not married.
-Big chance is that during Civil War, after Aunt May was shot, MJ's Aunt Anna was targeted as well. Peter goes to Dr. Strange, who uses Tony Stark and Reed Richards' help to erase Spider-Man's identity from the world. Peter makes it so MJ remembers everything as well, which upsets her and she leaves Peter because of it.
-At the end of OMIT after they're done talking about the past, she tells him that she can't be with him and that he needs to find someone to love, which makes Peter feel awesome.

>>19900036
So wait, if he could do this couldn't he just change all the factors that ever made any A-list hero a hero? The spider that bit him could get stepped on by accident, the paper that lists Wolverine as a weapon X candidate gets stuck between the couch cusions, etc etc.

THE FUCK
THE
FUCK
IS
THIS
SHIT?

>>19900013

The story arc is not only shit, it also rearranges (erases) one of the most important factors of the Spider-man universe, one of the things that sort of set Spidey apart from the rest of the capes.

Quesada had the chance to do a really cool 'MJ and Pete get together even WITH Mephisto's meddling' thing, but instead he's decided to push Spidey over the edge and into most-eligible-bachelor territory, which is frankly fuck boring since that's what every other male cape is too.

I hope that whoever takes over this book just puts a single black page at the beginning that says 'All of that Mephisto shit? Yeah, it never fucking happened.' And then the book continues as it should.

wait so people are getting pissy because two lame characters aren't married yet?

God you manchildren are pathetic.

>>19900164
No, because this bit MAGIC was fueled by the loss of TRUE LOooOOooVE and I guess a deal made has more power than him just deciding to fuck with time....
I guess....
WE AIN'T GOTTA EXPLAIN >SHIT!<

>>19900186
Would never make it pass the editorial staff with Quesadazilla present.

Sooooooo...........what's everyone raging at?

I have no idea what's been going on with Spidey so can anyone fill me up on what everyone's raging at?

>>19900248

Well then, the next sticky should be 'How do we kill Quesada? In real life?'

I personally vote 'bitten by a poisonous spider.'

ever since BND I kind of looked forward to a Carlie/Peter matching, but this still upset me very much

I know someone Joe Quesada would love to meet.

>>19900298
That doesn't look like Joseph Stalin.

Good thing I dont give a shit about the main marvel universe storyline what so ever.

Ultimate universe I love you.

>Peter goes to Dr. Strange, who uses Tony Stark and Reed Richards' help to erase Spider-Man's identity from the world.

What.

>>19900342
Sorry, I meant to say 'erase the knowledge of his secret identity', I didn't make that clear.

That's a damn shame

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>>19900367

That doesn't change my response.

So how many tie-ins will I have to buy to get the whole story?

/r/ing Quesada_as_Mephisto.jpg
I seem to have lost mine.

>>19900457
That I can't argue with.

This is why it's okay to pirate comics.

i'm so ain't even mad.

>>19900109
Alright, I've read up on the entire thread and I think I get the basics now. I probably don't know enough to know why everyone hates it, though; most of this seems a little more subjective. People have brought up good points on both sides and honestly I'm just not sure anymore.

My next questions I guess would be, why isn't Spidey sympathetic anymore? And what about what they said about Aunt May, is she still around or not? I know it was a deal with the devil but the intent was still to keep Aunt May from dying, right? So if she died it was all for nothing (which would click with it being a devil deal but still).

... Man, I miss the days when Spider-Man was essentially Marvel's Batman. A guy with his own fuckwin rogue's gallery, a relatively easy-to-follow plot, and cool shit going on. Or maybe I've just got rose-colored glasses from my days of reading Spider-Man and Daredevil vs. Venom and Carnage.

>>19900331
have you even read Ultimate U. since the Ultimate comics reboot? USM can't resolve anything, UX is a shadow of its former glory, Ult. avengers/new ultimates suck, and ultimate mystery is meh

It used to be that seeing how Pete balanced being Spider-Man and Parker was the most interesting aspect of the series since Pete was always just a normal guy instead of some famous millionaire, now it's just painful to read about Pete's civilian life and the series in general has become awful

Ehem!

lolsorandom sticky
Let's start shitstorm mods! ok!

>>19900056
I WISH FOR MARVEL ADVENTURES SPIDER-MAN TO CONTINUE GOING, NO MATTER WHAT.
EVEN WHEN THE WEB IS FALLING, A SINGLE STRAND SHALL ALWAYS FLY!

Welp, it's official: Marvel will never become good again until Quesada steps down.

And I say Marvel because this dude greenlit Jeph Loeb's work.

JOE QUESADA OKAY'D A GORE COMIC.

BEYOND. WORDS.

>>19900465

finnaly peter can fuck selena/mrs.marvel

This wouldn't bother me if they were actually going to do something interesting with it, but unfortunately Peter's new girlfriend is the most boring bitch in ASM

So instead of DEMONFORCES Quesada says make them break amicably...like you know adults?

Where's the problem?

Are we really getting mad about retcons or whatever you want to call them? I mean seriously? Better to have them break up like this instead of making it this big super duper event

I still read ASM, the villain stories are getting pretty good, and the origin of species thing looks promising, but his civilian life kills me, no job, no MJ, no relationship with aunt, sucks man

>>19899310
Shit was so Manspider?

>>19900539
Ult X is better than the last 25 issues of Ultimate X-men.

>>19900576
Thank you.
This thread was missing it dearly.

>>19900608
really? I mean on the whole Ultimate x-men was amazing

So..
Marvel Adventures Spider-Man is the only good Spider-Man series?

>>19900186
Supes is married
DD was married
The Flash is married
T'Challa is married
Reed and Sue are married
etc
etc

>>19900274

You understand words, right?

You can read english?

Yes?

Read the fucking thread.

>>19900629
ASM isn't even that bad. This is just fanboys nerdraging over stupid shit.

>>19900629
Yes.

Except for the fact that ultimate spider-man is better than MA.

>>19900628
I disagree but respect your opinion. I felt after the first writer ( i believe it was Millar) things just got weird. By the end Colossus was a druggie and then that thing with Apocolypse and of course the whole Jean X Logan thing felt even weirder since she wasn't adult (technically he's older then her anyway)

Ultimate X seems good because it's doing it's own thing you know? So far it hasn't been too bad. The faces of everyone looks odd but so far I like the new lineup and the lack of old mainstays like Cyke and Logan

Your anger only makes Quesada's penis harder. Your indiference is what it will kill him.

>>19900648
>implying anyone wants to read over a bunch of disjointed bitching and not just be told in 3 lines what's going on

So there's

Norah Winters
Black Cat
Ms. Marvel
Mary Jane
Shit, even fucking Michele.

and they go with Carlie as his new girlfriend? What the fuck.

>>19900331
>>19900628
>>19900608

>Ultimate
>Good
>Interesting

>>19900701
I haven't read ALL of Ultimate x-men, but what I have read I liked a lot that is where my opinion comes from ... imcomplete

>>19900775
>your opinion
>better than my opinion
lolno

>>19900741
Carley's been built up over 2 years to this point.

I actually think it's a good move.

>>19900593

DEMONFORCES still is canon.

I flipped through the an issue of OMIT. There's a page that implies Mephisto's had a hand in things.

You might notice a blood red bird chilling around the panels, that JUST so happens to land on the cop car lock, freeing the crook who hits Spidey with a brick, making him late for his wedding.

on the original topic, at the end of this issue I was extremely close to stop reading ASM, but I purchased both this and the next issue, and by the end of that issue I was back in

>>19900789
FFFFFFFFF
my bad. Hopefully I didn't spoil too much.

So when does "Big Time" start?

>>19900717

"Lurk more" is a staple 4chan phrase for a reason.

It's so we don't have to spoonfeed every newfag that comes along and hold their hand so they can learn. Unless they happen to be severely retarded, they can do the work on their own.

>>19900741
I'm not even going to lie. Carlie is fucking boring. I love the wacky antics he gets into with Norah and Michelle despite her being a bitch but Carlie.....fuck

And why do they always say Maggia instead of Mafia?

>>19900298

SWERVE!!!!!!

>>19900870
brutal, but true I started 4chan on my own no one "introduced" me to it

>>19900883
This is actually what makes me scratch my head.
Out of all his possible sexual partners, Carlie seems to be the most boring, so, why choose her?

The whole point of the BONG! was to free Spidey up to play the field, and he picks Carlie?

Fuck that.

>>19900883
its fitting though, they are both scientists

>>19900805
Yeah, built up into a boring character.

>>19900870
>newfag
>lurkmore

Isn't that /b/ shit? or do people around here seriously say that now?

I'm confused

Isn't Aunt May old as fuck? I mean, it's not like MJ was shot and dying and he had to break it off to save her. Aunt May led a full fucking life.

>>19900883
It's an in universe thing. I think the Maggia is something like a Superhuman Mob as opposed to the Mafia, which is typically Sicilians

>>19900945
BAZING!!!

>>19900953
It is chan shit.
Basically it works/is used on all chans.

>>19900954
You have to understand the manchild mentality. Spider-Man can't grow up or the manchildren wouldn't be able to identify with him.

>>19900883
Carlie is easily my least favorite female character in ASM. I don't understand why they'd drop MJ for her. At least MJ has fans.

>>19900991
Spidey has guilt issues. That was the problem. Anytime someone gets hurt and he's even in the area it's his fault. He's always been like this. Unrealistically so at times.

They're going with Claire because Slott wants Claire. It's one of the reasons he set Norah up with the black dudes son and we never see the relationship ever again from any other writer.

Spider-Man will only be good when Slott is off.

>My face when this will cause Gwen Stacy's death to be retconned/she'll be magically revived because she's the only proper one for Peter now, dead or not

Why didn't he just ask to bring back Uncle Ben as well?

When I was a kid Peter Parker was a witty smartass funny kid with superpowers fighting cackling badguys up to no good.

Now there's an unfunny cackling badguy with no wit writing Spider-man.

I have to dig through old "featuring Spider-man" comics to even find an instance of a normal Spider-man these days.

Oddly enough, the same shit is happening to all major comic book characters.
They've gone too far with reimaginings, new directions, reevaluations, deconstructions and shit like that.

Fuck the state of comics books if I need some pills and booze to go through an issue of my favorite comicbook hero.

pic related, it's what Spider-man used to be like all the time

Well...

At least the Amazing Universe was good in this game

In five years, no one will care.

I'd hate to be a kid these days and have this to read when I pick up a Spider-man comic.

>>19901062
Peter David did it, and killed him 10 issues later

>>19901072
>When I was a kid Peter Parker was a witty smartass funny kid with superpowers fighting cackling badguys up to no good.

When were you a kid?

When I was a kid, Spidey was having intense GRIMDARK and DRAMA rollercoaster rides with Clone Saga shit.

>>19901090

Yeah, because in five years Peter Parker will be dating Galactus or something even more ludicrous.

>>19901114

when i was a kid, Peter was in the 70's. because i only read the old comics. because i was a wise child.

>>19901072
He's still funny. Joe Kelly's ASM issues were all great i forgot who wrote that recent sandman 2fer but that was also great

This is why we shouldn't have revisited any of this shit.

We had two years of excellent Spider-man, and then they go and dredge up the past to appease people who wouldn't have ever stopped bitching anyway.

>>19901090
With all due respect, bullshit.
I'm STILL mad about the way the Hobgoblin arc was fucked, and the abomination that was the clone saga-reboot era.
Spider-Man was great when there was one continuity that they stuck to. Dead was dead. There were no grand conspiracies, and Spider-Man felt uncomfortable outside the world of street-level supercrime.

>>19901114
When I was a kid (born in 88) I had all my uncle's old shit. I was huge into Spider-Man (can't remember exactly which ones they were).

Then one day I was in a store and saw a Spider-Man comic and made my mom buy it. I opened it up in the car and it was all "HERP A DERP BEN REILY PETER PARKER IS DEEEEEAD" and I remember thinking "What the fuck am I reading?"

>>19900883
>>Carlie is fucking boring.

This. Everytime I see someone saying Peter should hook up with her it makes me think those posts are written by Marvel viral marketers

>>19901148
the 70's was a long time ago man

Fuck Quesada. All my rage. ALL OF IT.

>>19901146
This. Holy shit. No one cared. The people who did get off the train long ago. Sucks for them since the issues were actually...wait for it.....FUN!

Then HURPDURPHERPDERPONEMORETIME

>>19901204

>if it's not happening right now it doesn't exist and nobody should talk about it

Go fuck yourself.

>>19900883
The Maggia is a marvel tradition.

Basically, they changed the name because the real mob had ties in the comics business and in the buildings that the Marvel offices were located

A gun shot wound is too much for Strange, Reed, and Stark to fix, but they can make everyone in the world forget about Peter Parker being Spider-Man with little problem.

I am so glad I haven't touched ASM since OMD. Now all they have to do is fix the art on Ultimate Spider-Man.

Goddammit Spider-Man, next time just tell Wolverine to give you Elixir's number.

>>19901133
pompous ass

>>19901060
That was the original draft for OMD, apparently. JMS wanted Mephisto to go back in time and, if I'm not mistaken, stop Norman from becoming the Green Goblin so early in the game, thus preventing all that would follow, including Gwen's death, and, presumably, Sins Past.

Then Quesada was like "30 years of history? Nuh uh, let's gun for 20."

>>19901187
paranoid much?
in other news try reading this weeks marvel releases, and don't forget about next week's issue of ASM!!

>>19901266
Yeah I gave up on this a long time ago. I mean I used to read Batman and was like...why doesn't he just call the Flash or Superman to help? And people would always slap me. So unless it's a crossover no outside help.

People expecting a cohesive timeline over 60 years and hundreds of writers and artists are fucking retarded.

Letting one bad arc ruin your possible enjoyment of good stories down the line is just cutting off your nose to spite your own face.

>>19901311
Erasing Sins Past would be worth OMD.

>>19901266

Turns out Peter never needed their help in the first place!

ALL MAY NEEDED WAS CPR! HAHA!

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!XDDDDDDDDDXD111!!11111

Fuck this shit.

spidey has always been my favorite hero so really the only thing that kept me from dropping asm was that origin of the species came out today also

Maxiumum Carnage was still worse

Despite all the problems that Ultimate Spider-Man is having after Ultimatum, it's WAY better than what's been happening to 616 Spider-Man.

I like the fact that Ultimate Kitty has unresolved feelings for Peter (they need to be together again), Ultimate Peter has more backbone and resolve than 616 Peter during HS, and the fact that Aunt May is running a boarding house for super-powered teens. She even ordered Bobby and Johnny to go and defeat Chameleon (who was impersonating Peter).

Ultimate Spider-Man >>>>>>>>> 616 Spider-Man

>>19901324

But Spider-Man was going around asking other people for help. So in the end, he got help from Mephisto instead of an X-Men. Which would make more sense?

FUCK YOU MODS

i wanted this to disappear off of /co/ FOREVER

>>19901343
same here, I liked the massive con-fab, with all the villains

>>19901360
>and the fact that Aunt May is running a boarding house for super-powered teens.

This is still incredibly stupid.

>>19901333
We had a cohesive timeline in ASM for more than 30 years.
Continuing that tradition is not impossible.

>>19901367
apparently, if you make a deal with mephesto everyone will forget about it

>>19901338

Sins Past is still canon.

I heard Black Cat no longer has a rape origin though.

but Why is Harry alive?

>>19901364
I agree with you but for whatever reason writers can't do this even though it's logical.

But it's not exclusive to Spidey everyone does it. And even when they do try to contact another hero they can't help for X reason

>>19901360
Kitty and peter should really be together in ultimate.

The only thing preventing it before was the Peter/MJ status quo and that isn't there anymore. Ultimate Gwen is boring as fuck.

>>19901401
Yes it is. Because we're not in the 70's anymore. Comics are sold differently, there are more titles for specific heroes, and creators are given more freedom so as to break from the souless boring march of stories that had left audiences alienated by the mid 80's

>>19901435
Magic

So basically MJ is saying:

1) dating spider-man is too nerve-wracking, too mortally dangerous, for any woman to put up with
2) move on to another girl

Does that make any sense together? If she believes this shouldn't she tell peter "look until you are ready to retire you should stay single, your lifestyle is deadly for any loved ones around you"? why is she encouraging peter to ruin some other girl's life?

the characterizations are just unbelievable, i'm reading the book thinking that nobody would react like X to situation Y, its ham-fisted writing that makes daytime soaps look skillful.

and you retards keep buying it. damn.

There should be a way to put JQ's job to a vote. Like, at the next comic con have everyone vote Yes or No on a small card at the door on the first day. Then, at the end of it, maybe Joe Q will realize it's not just a handful of fan-boys that don't like him.

Untill then I'll just read Ultimate Spider-man for my Spidy fix.

wtf is with you neckbeard faggots calling peter a loser man child the first 5 pages of origin of the species have him selling his stuff to make rent and looking for a job and being ashamed to borrow money.

>>19901435
Basically? Mysterio.

>>19901435
I -just- read the issue explaining that, and I already forgot.
I guess he was in Europe, recuperating from his "death" like Norman.

>>19901438
oh having trouble with this menace character? the fantastic four/avengers/anyone can't help you except for, all thumbs, jackpot

>>19901466
>comic con
God no. That's almost as bad as having an internet vote.

>>19901474

Why doesn't Peter just move into the Avengers mansion?

Don't you guys see! Now he can get back together with Gwen!
oh wait....

>>19901454
ultimate gwen went from a very interesting gothic chick, to a at best, a hipster emo girl

From now on, I want to see as many hintings from Mary-Jane to Peter that she totally wants his webbing across her face, but Peter will ignore it because he has since become obsessed with traps.

>>19901466
You should get in on Marvel Adventures Spider-Man

It's much better than you might think.

>>19901490
I actually liked Menace. I thought Character Assassination was great aside from a few points. BUt yeah exactly it's irritating. I mean I understand you buy the book for that character and it would suck if Dr.Strange did everything. But sometimes when you make this HUGE EVENT like this it's kinda stupid not to try and be logical as hell

I remember when I was reading Batman R.I.P which I enjoyed why Bruce didn't just call Superman or whoever. Or how come the X-men don't ask the Avengers for help when Magneto was tearing up Manhattan during the Morrison run.

But I guess whatever you know?

I thought the Marvel Adventures line was aimed at kids?

>>19901580
It is.

>>19901474
Because now he's doing it to himself, back then he had it rough.

>>19901559

I get that. I like when no one interferes, but when you make a storyline about a character going to others and pleading for help, the door for questions is opened.

>>19901399
It's supposed to be a homage to the Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends cartoon. Besides, after Ultimatum, Bobby Drake had no place else to go because his bigoted parents disowned him. Aunt May took him in so that he could have a home and education. Johnny went to live with the Parkers too since he lost his father and needed stability in his life.

Screw the haters, Ultimate Comics Spider-Man is more entertaining to read than what Quesada greenlighted lately.

>>19901580
Yes, but at the very least MA Spider-Man is really nicely done. I have yet to check out the other MA stuff, though.

>According to Quesada, Straczynski's original script for the storyline's fourth issue involved changes to continuity going as far back as 1971. Peter would have helped Harry Osborn get into rehab for his drug problem immediately, which would have allowed a number of rewrites. Mary Jane would have remained in a relationship with Harry, Gwen would not have been killed and ultimately Peter's marriage to Mary Jane would not have taken place. Quesada realized that these changes would have far-reaching consequences for both historical and forthcoming storylines, so he made the decision to change Straczynski's story. While Peter and Mary Jane were to have remained a couple for the purposes of back-story, they were simply not a married couple.

>>19900883

back in the 50-70s when comics where selling better and you could buy them at the grocery store and shit if you were not a comic store or a mail order back issue company you had to cut off the cover (or the top third) of all your comics and send the covers back to the publishers for proof that they were destroyed. this was because back then you didn't buy 50 issues up front you just sent in an order from the publisher and then returned all the extras. if you were a really large distributor you would just fill out an affidavit saying you destroyed the comics. What the mob would do is send in an affidavit saying they destroyed the comics and then sell them to different mail order companies.

so as you can see marvel having there heros take down the mafia in their books would not really go over so well with them

There have been some REALLY good ASM issues lately. In fact what's disappointed me the most about the title has nothing to do with OMIT, it's that they're getting rid of the rotating teams, which gave the books a really exciting, almost anthology feel that gave you a new kind of Spider-man story almost every month.

I do hope we get to see some more Spider-man work from Zeb Wells in the near future.

>>19901640
I get that. But it doesn't make it any less dumb. I mean the cartoon it was homaging wasn't exactly fine art anyway

Has anyone here seen princess Bride?
Remember that little old lady?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_c7SbkGaLk
To: Quesada
from /co/

>post >>19898388
>come back a few hours later

you mods are so predictable

I think it's all fucking shenanigans.
Shenanigans so the viewers AND the authors feel "ok" with essentially what is a divorce, nothing more.The story is non-sensical. It's a cosmic timeline rape, done to try to tell everyone "Oh, it's not infidelity or cheating- they were never married!".So, MJ decides to...bail on Peter? And tell him it's all alright for him to break the sacred vows of marriage- because the DEVIL made it ok?

Mephisto totally had the power to irrevocably change the space/time continuum on a whim too.Where'd GOD during all this?

This is all bad comedy.
And the bad thing is, I fear this is irrevocable. I think Marvel really, really wants THIS to be the new...'status quo'.

>>19901892
Not Marvel. Quesada.

Years from now, a new EIC will put this shit right, but by that time people will have come to accept the new status quo and evryone will get pissed at what a bullshit retcon it is.

>>19901708

"dumb" in what sense? Silly? Explain it to me. Because I have a hard time understanding how someone can consider comic books, an inherently fanciful medium, silly.

The whole homage thing is just nostalgia to Bendis, and it's an interesting status quo right now in general.

>>19895059 "Even if she's standing right in front of you."

Oh, for FUCK's sake. I bet they high-fived when they came up with that one.

>>19902018
Not logical. Aunt May is supposed to support all those kids? No one recognizes Ice Man or Storm because they dyed their hair? Does she even have enough rooms for everyone?

As for comics being fanciful...no more than other mediums. They're not so different from storyboards anyway which everyone uses. Superhero comics on the other hand.....

Spiderman died to me.

cool story bro

>>19901892
>Where'd GOD during all this?

What franchise that has ever dealt with the supernatural actually has God participating in a benevolent manner or even at all?

He's either evil or not there

/co/: HOLY FUCK SHIT THIS IS SO BAD!!! THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN SAVE IT IS MAGICALLY MAKING IT ALL A DREAM!!!

Any reasonable human being: Couldn't they just have Peter and MJ get back together, the way ex-lovers often do in real life?

/co/: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND!!! ONLY MAGIC RESET BUTTON CAN SAVE THIS!!!

I still don't see why people are still raging about this. We all knew this was going to happen as soon as OMiT was announced, and anyone who went into it with any hope should have had it killed with that fucking brick.

I'm more concerned about what the hell the idea behind this weeks other issue was. How the hell do you come up with the idea of Doc Ock rounding up all of Spidey's rogues gallery to assist him in assaulting menace as she gives birth to some fucktarded goblin baby right in front of Spider-Man and friends?
What the hell were they high on?

>>19902050
This is trolling on a scale I've never seen.

It has a sort of perverse beauty.

>>19898584
After back in black i stopped reading ASM. I only skimmed through Ultimate for the fun of Watching Spiderman banter with his female clone. Or Spiderman arguing with carnage gwen and kitty but that got axed with venom eating carnage. oh well, there's always Invincible.

>>19902138
Wasn't Mark Waid bitching about superhero comics being too dark recently too?

>>19902138
I suppose I forgot to mention that the intent of this all along was to steal the baby, and somehow he needed a dozen people to do it.

>>19902050
I was wondering what the fuck she meant with that shit.
DOES she want Peter or not?
She is TOTALLY AWARE of the Mephisto Deal and Cosmic Retcon. Why is she willingly bailing on Peter NOW of all times? This isnt even the toughest time their relationship has had! This isnt even the closest to death she's come thanks to Spiderman's life.

FUCK.
Just because some cosmic entity retconned' away your marriage doesnt mean that shit is valid.You STILL got married under the eyes of the Lord (which exists in the MU), and Mephisto cant undo what has been wrought by the Lord.

Sinners and devil-dealers, abominations and adulterers.

Peter and MJ.

Wonderful.Also, good deal on sacrificing your unborn child, too.

>>19901892
I wouldn't put it past marvel for one blasted second. This is probably just and excuse to try to turn Peter Parker into some playboy ladies-man, which he just isn't. Now I know bitches love spider-man, and with good reason, but he's still nerdy little Peter Parker on the inside. That's part of why readers liked him in the first-place, HELL that's why I liked him in the first place. I could relate to him. Even though he could have any woman he wants as Spider-man, he's either too shy or too busy to go for it. The only real exceptions were Gwen & MJ (and Kitty if you count USM) and that's because he actually had feelings for them.

>>19902179
Baby May has been dead for years

stop bringing up unborn children Spidey is never going to have a kid. He had his chance back in the 90s

>>19902069

Apparently your suspension of disbelief allows for genetic mutation to give an average teenager inhuman strength, agility, and precognitive senses, but stops at the classic Clark Kent debate.

I think we're all forgetting what's really important about this issue

>>19902115
No amount of logic can fix this.You arent getting the context, which is important.

Peter Parker and MJ willingly made a deal with MEPHISTO, LORD OF LIES AND DECEIT, to sacrifice his marriage, his unborn child and his integrity to save the life of his elderly aunt, who already asked him to let her die.

IT's MEPHISTO.
PETER KNOWS WHO HE IS. HE KNOWS HE'LL ALWAYS WIN, AND THAT HE ALWAYS SCREWS PEOPLE OVER.

Why?WHY?

Shit, I'm betting that the reason Mephisto did it, was because Spidey's kid was probably gonna be a super important, amazing child, or that the marriage eventually would yield amazing, world changingly positive events on the world.

Thank you for fucking up the world, Peter.Tony's a saint compared to you.

>>19902218
She's only dead until somebody manages to pull the greatest retcon out of their ass to save her.

AND THEN it turns out she was never affected by Mephisto's magic! She also retained all memory of the pre-OMD events, and it turns out she's still Spider-Girl! CRAZY, EH, READERS?

Well...

At least it's not radioactive sperm

Question:

Wouldn't Mephisto changing history attract cosmic level forces to try and stop him?

God and a handful of other cosmic beings probably wouldn't like the idea of reality warping.

Hell even lower level beings like doctor strange should notice the difference and attempt to stop it.

I mean hell, has Mephisto ever showcased this level of power before? Reality warping on this level seems like a threat that would be dealt with rather quickly.

What do you guys mean you're just dropping it now?

I dropped this shit back in Sins Past. Aside from a few glances back in Civil War leading to this OMD bullshit I haven't really looked back.

Spider-books suck atm. They're not going to improve.

>>19902298
No, but it is radioactivve character treatment, this is a really swift way to make a popular character unpopular.

>>19902313
I kind-of wish that Rip Hunter were in the Marvel Universe when this was going on.

"Okay, what the hell is all this? BOOSTER! Get over here!"

>>19902251
Hey now that Spider Sense has always caused me to raise an eyebrow don't get it twisted

>>19902313
Yes.
Mephisto isnt THAT strong.
Reshaping time and space on a permanent scale has usually the attention of Master Order and Lord Chaos...Kronos....

Yeah, this story doesnt want you thinking hard about Marvel Cosmology.Doctor Strange has stopped Mephisto plenty of times before.

>>19902313

This is the question I asked myself after the first issue of Brand New Day.

It just started off so simplistically, as if nothing ever happened, and all I could think about was "It can't be THIS easy. SOMETHING has to go wrong/backfire."

And then it kept going. And nothing happened.

Sure, there were implications. Nods and winks to the past here and there. But ultimately? Nothing.

Fuck this shit.

>>19902384
Correct, except Quesada decided:"lolit'smagicIdon'tgottasplainshitthisismyworldnotyoursfuckoff"

Batman: Dead. Or franchising, I forget which.
Superman: Walking around being an superior asshole.
Wonder Woman: Wearing pants.

Captain America: Now playing the role of Nick Fury for some incomprehensible reason.
Iron Man: Literally DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING and start over again.
>Spider-Man: ... not so bad, when you think about it.

>>19902434
No, aside from the atrocious "at" in Iron Man and Superman being a douchebag, I can accept most of that, because it makes sense on most levels, even if the characters are acting a little weird. What they did to Spiderman only makes sense from Quesada's perspective.

>>19902471
atrocious "Art" ...fucking typos

>>19902434
Only one of those made a deal...with SATAN.
Yes, Spiderman with SATAN, and traded his LOVE AND THE UNBREAKABLE BONDS OF MARRIAGE...

For the continuing existance of an elderly woman who already asked Spidey to 'let her go.'...and the added side bonus of memory wiping everyone in the MU of his identity.

On a side note....

HOW THE FUCK CAN THOSE THREE MANAGE TO RETCON AWAY THE KNOWLEDGE OF SPIDEY'S ID FROM HIGHER LEVEL COSMICS LIKE THOR?

>>19902489
Mephisto is not satan. A devil not The Devil

also stop expecting the shared universe to come up so often. That would require too much time and effort on DC and Marvel's part

>>19902489
Christ, you're whiny.

>RETCON AWAY THE KNOWLEDGE OF SPIDEY'S ID FROM HIGHER LEVEL COSMICS LIKE THOR

What is sad is that THIS alone is a damn good reason why Mephisto wouldn't get away with changing reality at the level he did.

If he is really this powerful then he rivals some of the top beings in the marvel cosmology. He would have high end cosmic players after him.

Spiderman is not and has not been a hero since he made that deal. He is just an anti-hero now, fighting crime while trying to cope with how crappy his life is after he made a deal with the devil.

>>19902560
Didn't he start out as a Silver Surfer villain?

I'd say he was always close to that level.

>>19902512
Wait, I make perfectly valid points, and I'm whining?Should I just get assfucked and not complain?There's no positives here- there's also no excuses- in this day and age, having your story obey the timeline/setting rules of your story's universe is not demanding, nor is it hard.They are a corporation, and can have their own private wiki to make sure all writers obey the constraints of the universe .

It's called continuity, and it should be iron clad.

>>19902510
"A" devil? Oh, trafficking with "Mephisto;Lord of Lies", master deceiver, manipulator and trafficker of souls and eternal suffering is so much better, right?

Face it, this story is a blight.

>>19902609
Yes he started off as a Silver Surfer enemy, no that doesn't give him the kind of power to really mindfuck Thor when Thor has been dealing with mindfuckery his entire life. Thor grew up with Loki, the god of mindfucking.

>It's called continuity, and it should be iron clad.
The absolute worst kind of comic reader.

>>19895059

This is so stupid.

The guy is just trying to get his street cred for being the first comic book writer to do something like a tragic break up or some shit. I hate this.

Someone call (907) 786-6805.
It's a college radio show on now that's called Spoiler Alert.
They're supposed to be talking about comics and they haven't even mentioned this and don't plan on to.

>>19902434
>>19902471

Superman is not being a douche, nor is he being an asshole. Why do all the haters keep saying this?

Just stop reading comics, Jesus.

>>19902729
Good for them.

>>19902710
Serial media should not have it's history shat on every five minutes or so though. It's like Joe Q. bought a sewage truck, turned on the pump at maximum and has been driving around Spiderman's proverbial house for the last few years.

>>19902683

>It's called continuity, and it should be iron clad.

In all honesty?

Fuck continuity. It has done so much more hurting for this business than anything else. More than pirating, more than creepy nerds, and more than monopolies.

Just write stories. We don't need a goddamn story line, especially not one that isn't made to end.

>>19902710
Wait, explain to me why Continuity is bad.

Desiring a continuous extension of storytelling is nothing to balk at- it's something GOOD.Does the fact that it's COMICS make it bad?

>>19902763
THIS.

>>19902739
A well intentioned asshole is still an asshole.

>>19902739
He is in relation to what people expect of him, because he set the standard, he should also maintain it. Except right now all he's doing is walking the Earth and sometimes helping people.

I WILL SODOMIZE JOE QUESADA WITH HIS OWN ESOPHAGUS.

Seriously though, what the FUCK?

>>19902763
Without proper continuity and respect for it's own story backgrounds and history, I cannot take a work of fiction seriously, if it's supposed to be a proper, serious work of fiction encompassing dramatic storytelling.

I couldnt give a rat's ass about continuity if you're writing comedy, or episodic content.

You know, this took what, 2, 3 months to come out? And if you add on all the actually bad issues of BND such as the Flash Thompson issue and the Vulture stuff, that's what, 6 issues? 12? four months tops.

So out of three years, there's been 6 months of bad stories, and that's only because OMIT was delayed? I can live with that.

What I find sad is that by making a deal with the devil, Peter has condemned himself to hell and eternal punishment. Regardless of ANY good he has done or will ever do. Even if he repents he is still condemned.

Just about every major religion out there says you go straight to hell once you die after making a deal with a devil.

Since Marvel is more or less based on the Abraham god; Pete is fucked.

>>19902841
DC's based on the Abraham god. Marvel has sentient universes.

>>19902763
You NEED continuity.
If I killed JJJ in a story, you cant just write a story as if it never happened.

Why would I read something like that? Nothing anyone writes would be meaningful to the character's development! No development COULD take place without strict adherence to plot!

Our developments as PEOPLE depends on the events that have shaped our lives! Other wise, you're doomed to be always a 2d, flat character. As meaningless and flat as Duke Nukem.

can someone please catch me up? Cant find anything really concise in this thread. I want to join in with you on rage. I know OMD retconned everything and that it is bad

>>19902883
>implying Duke Nukem is two dimensional

It's right there in the title, dumbass. This is why I hate comic fans.

>>19902857

True, but the rules of heaven/hell are still basically the same in Marvel.

Peter is going to hell. One of the great heroes of the ages is going to hell.

Evil won on that day OMD takes place.

>>19902841
Is this post for real?

>>19902883
Continuity needs to be in play to an extent and it's not like Marvel hasn't ignored it outright

No one remember when Venom ate the Carnage symbiote? Or when JJJ unmasked a knocked out Peter Parker? Or what happened to Gwen Stacy's cousin? Shit just got swept under the rug

>>19902683
The point is, while OMD is shitty, it's over and done with. Who cares about a comic that happened 3 years ago? Get over it. I can't believe how mad some people (who don't even read the fucking book anymore) can get over something like this.

I've enjoyed ASM over the past 2~ years or so. All OMIT did is bring back idiots like you and piss off fans of the current status quo. Seriously, who cares?

>>19902956
Right until the next editor in chief wisely declares all of that rubbish and then has it all defenestrated.

>>19902957
Even if he was joking around, it's true.The Bible, Koran- pretty much any religion gives you a straight pass to hell for making pacts with devils.

Peter was raised by a good family in the US, he probably learned all about that kind of stuff in church, which I assure you Aunt May was likely a good christian woman.

Peter better start praying for forgiveness.

>>19902798
>all he's doing is walking the Earth and sometimes helping people.

He's been doing nothing BUT helping people. The how isn't what matters. It's the results. And what he's doing is improving each community's ways of life one by one, rather than fight giant monster #234576234344i8812afddbfdg as per usual.

Not surprising, but still disappointing.

Also, posting in a sticky thread.

>>19902683
>It's called continuity, and it should be iron clad.

That's your first problem. Superhero shit has been backpedaling and jumping around this sort of stuff for years. Most recently we had Cap eat time bullets which was delightfully retarded

>>19903008
Now I know you're trolling well played

Here is exactly what the deal with mephisto entailed:
Mephisto would wipe all knowledge of their marriage from each other and from the entire universe, EXCEPT for a tiny part of their souls that he would keep so he could hear them screaming in pain and sorrow for all eternity.

In addition this would null the future birth of May and Ben parker, May parker's birth was apparently Iron Clad and very near to happening since Mephisto was apparently able to foretell her birth(and also the fact that she had her own spin off series based in the future).

There were several people that could have cured aunt may, and spiderman only looked for a healer during a couple days after aunt may hung on for the entire civil war, and he spent most of that time threatening the king pin.

Finally, this deal was being made against the advice of several heroes and GOD, and in biblical "I mentioned the fact that I asked my son to make a sacrifice" G.O.D.

The things he got from this deal:
His aunt would be healed, his identity would be returned to secret, he was turned into a 29 year old virgin with half of his normal strength with no life savings, his aunt's house was returned from being burned down so the two of them could live in it, he has no job, his IQ is apparently dropped, his coordination is reduced, and his sense of responsibility is lessened as well.

So yeah, spiderman isn't a hero.

>>19903047
Now imagine the horror.
Imagine a good, christian woman like Aunt May being told the truth.

"Your nephew sacrificed his marriage and unborn child in a deal with the devil to save your life, damning his own eternal soul in the process."

Wow, she'd have a heart attack.
I wonder what Pete would give up that time.He did it once, why not again- wait, low blow, I apologize, I'm being petulant there.

I guess I'm just sore.

I dropped ASM a while ago, after the clone saga reboot deal. Can someone explain this OMiT shit to me?

Cos it looks like they retconned the marriage in the most retarded fashion they could manage in OMD, brought MJ back, and had them break up again. Why couldn't they just have this talk instead of the OMD thing?

>>19903047

He isn't really trolling.

Heaven and hell do exist in marvel and everything we've been told says that souls more or less follow the Judo/Christian view of death when they die

Peter getting sent to hell for making a pact with the devil should technically be canon.

It's one reason why OMD is so messed up.

>>19903109
THIS IS WHAT PISSES ME OFF THE MOST

Peter isn't making a sacrifice for the greatest good, he's just being selfish

>>19903107
>half of his normal strength
>dumber
>less coordination

Sorry if slowpoking but why?

>>19903136
lolno. Peter is never goign to die and even if he were they'd write him as going to heaven. Digging any deeper is trollin (albeit funny trolling) or someone seriously reads too deeply into this shit

>>19903135
No one would be happy if they broke up normally. The editors say that makes Peter too old (i donno why) and fans would be mad.

>>19902999
I agree.

>>19903157
He's lying. He's just as strong, fast and whatever as before. He just doesn't have those magic stingers thank God.

>>19903136
>>19903109
People seem to forget that GOD himself came down and told peter that he needed to just wait and see what happened.

GOD, not a god, not Thor god of thunder, GOD!

>>19903109

IMO having Aunt May find out about it would be a tragic, yet potentially awesome story.

>>19903157
As far as I know, it did away with The Other and all the Spider-totem bullshit that gave spidey the stingers, organic webbing, speed/strength boost and whatnot.

>>19903157
They wanted old school Spiderman without remembering that old school Spiderman was a hardcore scientist. He was up there in the top 20 list for smartest dudes on the planet, now he is some where in the top 1000.

>>19903191
Another writer
A fucking one shot
God Jehovah or whoever never come into main play in these types of things

>>19903178
But... they just broke up normally. Then. On that page. This is my point.

>>19903195
All that shit never even came into play anyway. No idea why people are sore that they're "gone" when they were hardly implemented.

>>19903135
Ok, here it goes.

Spider Man's Aunt May is dying- this is related to the Spiderman's ID is known publicly problem, right?

So, Aunt May is dying. OMD takes place.
Mephisto BONGS THE SPACE TIME CONTINUUM.
OMiT explains how he did it- and the events that took place, in the context of a dialogue between Pete and MJ.

He essentially did a few twists and turns here, just enough that certain events took place that 'fixed' Spidey's ID problem, and ensured that Aunt May's gunshot wound was not lethal.

All for the easy, low low price of "Peter and MJ never got married".

Simple.

>>19903230
But this is due to Mephisto. This is not of their own volition. They're being manipulated by demonic forces

>>19903243
more like the price of MJ's character more than the marriage

Serious character derailment in this entire thing.

>>19903283
>MJ
>character

she was a vapid bitch fuck her

>>19903190
>>19903157
Nope, they actually came out and said that spiderman used to be 20ton~30ton pre-OMD, but after OMD they reverted him to his old 10ton strength.

He was 10ton when he was a teenager, stan lee and jack kirby actually came out and said he could lift ten freakin tons BUT he was still growing!

as for coordination, read that issue where MJ is talking to her old bodyguard who is now working for shield, while peter tries to turn himself in to a police officer. At the end of it he bursts through the window, and proceeds to pull off moves that the matrix wishes they could achieve. Then read the issues where speedball comes into play and out runs him, she out parkours the guy who was at one point a super hero with super parkour!

Finally, he comes off as a lot less intelligent and just seems a lot more retarded.

Also he made fun of cap being dead like a couple months after it happened.

>>19903243
Except everyone will notice something like Mephisto screwing with time, last time something like that came up EVERYONE, noticed that something wasn't right. Thor and Doctor Strange would be the first to know something isn't right, they both pay attention to crap like this, and they are both pretty good friends with Peter.

Peter doesnt have the Spider Totem powers from that storyline.

He lost all those powers.
Instead of tier 30, he's back to tier 10.No nightvision, no added adhesion, no stingers, no spider awareness, no natural webs, ect...

In response to all the people talking about how Peter basically shat on his own creed in OMD, I agree wholeheartedly. But the thing that gets me MOST about OMD?

The first three issues were good. The first half of the fourth was okay as well. And I think it would have been fantastic if May actually died at the end. I mean, we all knew what was happening, but for a second I thought she'd actually go.

Responsibility's a bitch.

>>19903310
NEVER EVER MENTION THE PARKOUR BITCH AGAIN.
I have NEVER RAGED SO MUCH AT ANY CHARACTER.

SPIDERMAN's MAIN SUPER POWER IS SUPRA HUMAN AGILITY AND SPEED. He SPENDS HIS TIME DOING SUPER PARKOUR!

GODDAAAMANASNANOIxndupfbeg!

>>19903299
No, now she's a vapid bitch

>>19903310
Are you serious? I can't tell

Make Peter stronger? He can work out. The extra powers came off as some Bleach shit. It was never a factor anyway.

The Parkour thing was a joke. Whether it was funny or not doesn't change the fact that it wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
Parker has always made stupid decisions. That's his thing. Life shits on him and he makes it worse by being downright stupid. This is nothing new.
Making a statement is not making fun of. Was the guy dead? (He wasn't but they thought he was) He said so. Suddenly it's making fun?

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Doesn't Spider-man beat her EVERY time though? And the only reason he didn't catch her the first time was because cops tried to arrest him instead of her?