What the fuck do you think we've been doing through agriculture for the last ten thousand years? You think bananas and fuck-huge melons grow in the wild? Everything you eat is the result of thousands of years of human-directed selective breeding.

Goddamn hippies are afraid of everything.

>>769860
I would like it if the government stopped subsidizing corn though.

>>769860
Fuck off.
GMO is poison.

>>769864

All I hear is WHAAARGAARBLE. Post evidence or GTFO.

People have genetically modified food through breeding for thousands of years. Genetic engineering is just an extension of this trend.

>>769860
Yes I do think that bananas grow in the wild.

>>769881
But GMO foods are created by c-c-corporations!!
Everything incorporated businesses do is evil and kills babies.

>>769887
No, shithead, they don't. Wild bananas do not resemble what you find in the supermarket. In fact, domesticated bananas are unable to reproduce without human intervention. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana#Cultivation

Educate yourself.

>>769887
The bananas you eat today are the product of years of selective breeding to ensure that those bananas are durable, wholesome, tasty, and pretty when they arrive at market so that you will buy them. This is true with every food product.

>>769888
Not just babies, but the poor as well.

Hate to say it, but OP is a faggot. Genetically modified food feeds billions and saves lives.

>>769864
Burden of proof lies with the accuser in this sort of situation.

Altered Crops are one of the keys to the future of mankind.

GMO tomatoes are horrible.

>>769905
Care to elaborate? Also, have you ever had an all-natural, wild tomato?

>>769905
Orly?

>>769908
GMO is not selective breeding. GMO tomatoes taste like shit, because they sacrifice flavor and texture for yield, be it in their large size, pesticides, durability or whatever changes they make. Give me a GMO tomato that tastes good and I'll eat it. Faggot.

>>769913
Don't be so butthurt that science is feeding people.

Theres no reason for me to buy GMO tomatoes. If I need tomatoes, I have to buy some shit called heirloom now. If I need food and calories and such, why the fuck am I buying tomatoes instead of a staple grain? Fuck off. Go GMO some good tasting vegetables. Its no wonder kids hate them now days.

>>769913
Well, there you go, market forces at work.
Seems most people would rather be have affordable food than ultra-tasty food. Don't like 'em, don't buy em.

>>769921
I don't buy them, nor is it a perfect market(not that its even possible) because of lack of perfect information(people don't realize they're eating shit because they only eat shit). God fucking damn, I hate having to shop with hippies to get some decent raw food.

My only problem with GM crops are the ways Monsanto markets them to stupid farmers and locks them into buying crops that they can't reseed with since they grow sterile. Then when the farmers go under, big agribusiness is there to buy the farms for pennies on the dollar. Sure, it may be more efficient but now you have some idiot who has no marketable skills other than farming, except he has no money and no farm so he's just a much larger drain on society than before. Being on the dole makes him and his family depressed which leads to bad habits which KEEP their entire family line poor instead of being marginally productive by operating a farm and having something to be proud of. Whole thing stinks imo :(

>>769920
I think these awful tomatoes of which you speak are hothouse tomatoes. Tomatoes grown under growlights in warehouses in Canada lack flavor and basic tomatoey goodness. It's not their genetic modification that makes them suck; it's the growing condition. But you're too much of a twatwad braindead hippy to understand that.

>>769927
No, I have a small vegetable garden which hardly supplies anything substantial, so its used mostly for herbs. I made the mistake of buying a tomato plant with those big round perfect red globes. I tried several potted and even a couple seeded varieties. All of them were shit. Now I have these weird looking deformed multi colored tomatoes, that look pretty god damn horrible on a BLT, but at least they taste decent.

>>769924
Yes. Because farmers know absolutely nothing about modern agriculture.

>>769927

Exactly. Vine-ripened tomatoes that are grown in the sun, or even your own hothouse tomatoes tend to have more flavour. Here in New Zealand we have Australian hothouse tomatoes which are pale, flavourless and bitter, in contrast to the NZ ones which get some sun.

GMO ingredients are the latest foods to draw unwarranted heavy criticism. In the 1930s it was the fact that people were actively putting bacteria into foods that made people shit bricks.

But by all means, go ahead and by organic produce. Despite it being expensive it does tend to have a higher amount of (naturally occuring) vitamins and minerals. I have friends who swear by the flavour too.

>>769936
Any fucking food for sale in a first world country thats designed to feed the starving masses in Africa can go fuck itself. GMO is right now, designed for yield, not quality, or nutrition. They could GMO some fucking delicious fruits, but you get shit like GMO tomatoes too.

Just a little perspective:

GE crops have the main goal of making the farmers money. They do this by reducing losses due to weeds, bugs, frost...

What this means is that there is a much larger area of land that can now grow crops, a prime example of this is Napa valley wine. Grapes grow in Napa because they have been GE'd to use less water, this also means the grapes have less water and taste different. Its not the GE that makes them taste different its the environment which they are being grown.

This is also why the same vine that grows in Napa can be grown in Monterrey and taste different.

>>769946
>>769936
>>769927
Empirical data. In my few tests of ugly heirlooms vs big round globes, heirlooms always came out better when growing them myself. Same with market produce. If you're going to make a claim, back it up with some data.

>>769860

No shit, we've been selective breeding since the beginning of time. What's happening now is that we're actually splicing and invading the DNA of seeds with viruses, pesticides, and all other types of filth to ensure growth and "quantity" This is causing mono-cultures and creating God knows what with new viruses and other shit. WTV. Get educated.

Increasing the rate of change beyond what you as a species can adapt to is bad.

>>769946

No, I'm sorry, that's wrong. At least, historically. Good grapes grow in Napa Valley because the soil is poor, and the grapes need poor soil to get good flavor. The area itself actually gets a fair amount of moisture, so requiring less of it to grow there isn't really necessary at all. And again, Genetic Modification is a world apart from selective breeding, which is what you're thinking of. One involves laboratories and high-tech equipment, the other involves saving seeds from good crops.

>>769946
Basicly, GE tomatoes taste bad.

Name 1 reason why GMO foods are bad.

>>769974
They tend to taste worse, for whatever reason.

>>769964
The technique differs, the result is the same. Go fearmonger somewhere else. i suggest Whole Foods.

>>769949
I don't think you can consider "in my few tests" as "data". I'd consider it "anecdote".

>>769985
Its better than any data you have. My practical findings? Any GMO tomatoes and tomato plants available to me taste like shit compared to their more expensive and uglier counterparts.

>>769979

>>taste

Is that it? Taste? Sorry, but there are entire nations out there saved by GMOs that have more nutrition and are cheaper to produce.

>>769988
So you're saying the middle class in 1st world countries don't need GMO?

>>769974

They've been splicing pesticide into the DNA strand so that when it's sprayed with that same pesticide, it doesn't die...... hence, we're eating PESTICIDES.

Not only do they splice the DNA in seeds with pesticides, but also with viruses and antibiotics. Think about that.

>>769988

BACK THIS UP

There is no scientific evidence that eating GMOs causes bodily harm.

There is no scientific evidence that eating GMOs does NOT cause bodily harm.

>>769913
This is not because these tomatoes are GM'd. It is because they are harvested when they are still green so that they ripen when shipped, thus resulting in said poor texture and flavour. Your ideal tomato is genetically modified, but grown locally and picked when ripe.

>>769901
I think most of you have made intelligent points, but I agree with this guy the most. If you abolished all GMs and farming techniques that use herbicides and pesticides, we'd be fucked. More than half of us would die of starvation.

The use of irrigated farm land in pretty much all agriculture worldwide is increasingly making GMing our crops a necessity because farms are not natural things. They are ecological anomalies where one species of plant tries to dominate despite multiple pests and other species trying to move in and conquer land and resources. Relatedly, farm soil is fucking salty and toxic.

My point? The most "natural" way we would obtain food would be to hunt and gather like our ancestors. This would eliminate the need for tractors and chemicals and laboratories and we would save the Earth. Unfortunately, most of the human population would die if we reverted to this state.

We, the human race, are a Darwinian monster and cancer of /Earth/.

>>769992
>>They've been splicing pesticide into the DNA strand
They've been splicing pesticide into the DNA strand
been splicing pesticide into the DNA strand
splicing pesticide into the DNA strand
pesticide into the DNA

You have no idea what DNA is, or how it is structured, do you?

Genetic engineering saved the papaya industry.

http://www.agbioforum.org/v7n12/v7n12a07-gonsalves.htm

>>769993
see
>>769901

Another topic brought up by this documentary is the patenting of seeds. That's patenting LIFE. Plant companies like Monsanto have been creating genes since the Green Revolution (starting in the 60s) and then inserting them into unhindered seeds and then patenting them. Another patented gene created by seed companies is found in breast cancer. It's fucked up, when breast cancer researchers want to study this gene, they have to pay exclusive patenting fees to do so.

So, when these patented seeds are introduced into other farmers' crops, without their knowledge or consent, and also uncontrollable (seeds spread mainly through WIND) forces, they get sued for patent infringement and have to at the worst, destroy GENERATIONS of unhindered seeds going back decades, centuries even.

Watch this documentary and do some research. We're losing touch with our natural roots, and it's gonna fuck us up even harder if we don't balance it out.

>>769924

Monsanto's Terminator Gene is important for controlling gene flow from crop plants to the wild.

Your typical GM crop plant has the above gene, a gene for herbicide tolerance, and any additional loci to increase crop quality or yield. You don't want all the plants surrounding a farm to have the same advantageous genes because a) that defeats the purpose of the herbicide tolerance system, and b) you don't want a planet covered in super plants.

Producing sterile plants, therefore, gives a farmer a high crop yield, but prevents the plants from breeding with other, nonrelated plants.

>>770001

It's a matter of compromise between feeding the poor and intellectual property (compiled during years of a scientist's life out of career and passion... certainly they have rights too)

>>770001
1) Research ain't cheap. Do you expect biology PhDs and chemical engineers to work for free.
2) Patents expire.
3) There's not a lot of crossover between tomatoes and breasts. Your utter lack of understanding of basic biological concepts is showing.
4)Google 'seed bank'

Ain't nothing wrong with GMOs, its the agenda behind those fighting against GMOs that is sickening.

>>We're losing touch with our natural roots, and it's gonna fuck us up even harder if we don't balance it out.

This is the new religion.

>>770010
I think this is the major reason why my GMO tomatoes taste like crap. They and the average consumer don't care if they taste like crap. I sure wish they'd GMO those strawberries to be sweeter too, rather than bulbous deformed giants.

>>769986

You don't have GMO tomatoes you fucking dumbshit. Those red globes you talk about were not created by anything other than selective breeding for high yield, high durability, and tough skins to better survive transportation. Nobody did anything to them people haven't done for thousands of years, they just bred for things other than good taste. AND when they are picked, they are picked green which further ruins the taste. Hence tomatoes you buy at walmart or whatever are all gritty and nasty.

Now STFU.

>>769992

this doesn't make one lick of sense you twit. You can't splice 'pesticides' into DNA. That makes as much sense as saying I'm going to infuse some water with happiness.

>>That makes as much sense as saying I'm going to infuse some water with happiness.

Given the recent trends in 'health drinks', I think this may be a very marketable product. Just get an advertising company to design a label about how 'natural' and 'wholesome' it is along with USDA organic certification and charge $5 a pop. That shit would be flying off the shelves.

>>770022
You're talking about this stuff.

We need some more anti-GMO dumbfucks in here. I want some asses to rip apart before I go to bed.

>>770016 That makes as much sense as saying I'm going to infuse some water with happiness.
Actually the japanese have done just that. This picture is of a water crystal infused with love (ok, nearly happiness).

>>770026

How the fuck is it purified if it has anti-oxidants in it?

And if it WAS ultra purified, why would I want it? It'd hurt my body by washing away minerals without any sort of replacement.

>>770039
found the happiness infusion

we either need to genetically modify food, limit the number of children being born, or face growing food shortages... well actually the gm food only delays that... people need to stop having so many babies... fuck the catholic church

Genes from other plants that are insect and disease resistant. Genes spliced in so that insects and other pestilence don't like to eat it OM NOM NOM NOM hurrrrgggg

>>770045

So how did they infuse a material physical object with an emotion?

Fuck it. See you tomorrow, my /ck/ <3

>>770029

o hai thar Monsanto!

>>770057

Rival company, actually.

PS I LIED

>>770050
it has to do with imparting the vibrational energy of that emotion into the water or some bullshit like that. All I know is they get ugly crystals with ugly emotions and pretty crystals with pretty emotions.

Look up Dr. Masaru Emoto and prepare to be ice crystalled away.

>>770050
BY GENE SPLICING!

>>769864

No, FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCK. You may have the luxury of shopping at Whole Foods. Other are smart enough not to spend their entire paycheck on so called "organic" oranges and eggs.

Agriculture is science. the only way to feed billions of people is to make sure farmers get the maximum amount of yield from their crops as possible. That meants plating wheat, rice, corn, rye or whatever that can give you two, three or more harvests per season. That means breeding and slaughtering animals that are far larger than their wild cousins- if applicable. Wild Eurasian water buffalo or yaks or feral cattle have nothing on the steer gets turned into steak.
Wheat exists b/c our cavemen forebears were smart enough to fuck around and kept on breeding desired traits. Ditto w/ dogs,cats, and horses.

So called genetic modification is under strict guidelines from a plethora of bureaucracy b/c last thing they want is people dropping like flies via allergies. In fact one of the concepts is trying to crate penuts that don't kill people who are allergic to nuts ditto w/ chocolate and citrus.

Organizations like Greenpeace have gone to Third World countries and convinced their ignorant bloodthirsty rulers that GM crops are poison, thus furthering the natives' misery. Instead alleviating common suffering which these tree huggers claim in the end they're just racist as a neo Nazi except at least a skinhead will at least tell you up front he hits niggers, spics and Jews.. As far as I'm concerned these Luddites should be deemed a scourge upon human civilization and treated as such. Put to the fucking sword. The most violent terrorist group in the United States aren't ragheads but animal rights activists who are in cahoots w/ organizations like Greenpeace, PETA and the Sierra Club. Fuckers like Rod Coronado and Ingrid Newkirk should be gibbeted to show the world that their faggotry shouldn't be tolerated.

Still around, OP? Or did you just crawl back into your pit of ignorance?

>>770068
http://www.vhemt.org/

Prepare to rage.

>>770069
he's probably taking a fresh hit from the greenpeace/peta websites to fortify his ignorance.

>>770073
how can you rage at that? it's pure comedy

>>770068
Marry me. 22/f/canadurr

>>770068
You're bringing tears to my eyes, pal.

>>769913
they did the same thing by traditionally breeding red apples... and the government had to bail out the apple industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Delicious

>>769924
another thing that has been done with traditional breeding... hybrids do not breed true and farmers have to go back to the company that sells the seeds to get more...
also because of US corn subsidies in Mexico it can be cheaper to buy new corn to plant then to save the seeds they have

a lot of the "problems" with gmos are not really problems with gmos but problems with the agriculture industry in general... it would be very interesting to discuss the possible benefits and perils of genetic engineering but so far most of this thread has not done so

>>770068
sometimes i think they are doing the right thing... better not to improve conditions now and let people die, because the population will just keep growing until we can't improve anymore and everyone is screwed... maybe if it gets bad enough before we reach the absolute limits a small group of people can start over.

on second though fuck them. if they think what is being done to relieve the symptoms is bad they should be going after the root cause of the problem not the people doing what they cant to help each other

Disregard this thread, I suck cocks.

>>769864

You are a fucking asshole. GM crops can feed the whole WORLD. Your precious 'organic' food can only feed about a FIFTH of the world you asswipe. Most don't have the luxury of you know, fucking Safeway. GTFO.

>>770068
A-fucking-gree. I saw those annoying Greenpeace fucks on P&T: Bullshit! and did some research into the subject because it made me rage'd.

>>770125
i don't know how true it is but i don't think we need gm crops to feed the whole world yet... if people stopped eating meat and food was distributed better

that being said i think GMO's can be a good thing or a bad thing depending on what people do with them

>>769829
>>769829
sup faggots, don't give those DNA fearing hippies your money to rent this shit, you can watch it for free:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3764995188693165078
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3269827797922781939 [mirror]
or for the hi-quality flash hating people such as myself, here's a torrent:
http://www.mininova.org/get/475527 [AVI, 527.86MB, 13 S/0 L]

I think GMO's are fine unless companies are ripping off farmer and people by selling seeds that make plants that have seeds that don't do shit. That shit is just plain mean. I saw this film a long whiles back and was like lol lol they have a few good points but the paint of scare tatics and shit it too thick imo, lol fail fail, or something like that.

>>770161
>hi-quality hungry, flash hating people
opps my bad.

>>770085

I was hoping to get around to that.

We're just barely getting into genetic alteration and we're still fuckin' noobs. Certain groups of people are against it. I feel that a mix of science and nature is the key to unlocking more of our power and understanding of the natural order of existence. We're leanin' a little too heavy on the tech side, and we need to get back to our roots. Some fucked up shit's gonna be happenin' soon, and when it hits the fan, lotsa folks'll die. Those that ain't prepared will make room for the new school.

>>769901
Testify, Norman Borlaug!
One of the most luminary and humanitarian food engineers around. Spread hybrid grain and improved farming methods around the 3rd world. Bemoaned how fear-monger hippies spread inane terror of genetically modified foods. If the world went to organic farming, only 2/3rds of the world could be fed through such archaic methods. The basis of the concern was anti-corporatism, and they back up their claims with outright lies.

P&T Bullshit Eat This!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7VeJDErkV8

I don't give a shit really. I grow a lot of my own stuff, weather permitting. I do that because it tastes better and costs a shit load less. I'm also healthier for doing some garden work too. It also helps the environment in numerous ways.

Which is a better argument that's longer lasting than simple scare-mongering.

>>770153 if people stopped eating meat
fuck you. Don't tell me how to eat.

>and food was distributed better
Everything's a distribution problem. If it were easy, we could solve world peace, world hunger and colonise alpha centauri within 10 years. You make it sound as if we just need to ship a few bags of rice over to africa and everything's dandy.

>>770327
When asked if we should all be eating organically grown food, Borlaug said it was a fine idea, as long as he would not be asked to decide which three billion people on earth would be assigned to starve to death

If it's NATURAL, that means it's good!

>>770338
SNAKE VENOM

organic, and naturally produced

Fuck. If people stopped eating so much meat things would be better. No reason to cut it out completely. As it is, industrialized feedlots are an enormous resource drain.

>>770338
That does look pretty good. Like cherimoya. I don't know what people's problems are with seeds. Makes you eat slower and savor things.

http://www.centerforfoodsafety.org/WhoBenefitsPR2_13_08.cfm

>>770351
That whole article is complete bullshit.

>Not a single GM crop on the market is engineered for enhanced nutrition, increased yield potential, drought-tolerance, or other attractive traits touted by the biotech industry.
LMFAO

>>769992

>>pesticide into the DNA strand

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

>>769881
>>769994

Read Smith, "Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods"
Have your mind boggled.

http://www.amazon.com/Genetic-Roulette-Documented-Genetically-Engineered/dp/0972966528

SCIENCE, BITCHES!

>>770327
Pro tip: we know JACK SHIT of how ecosystems work. We dont know how GMOs will interact long term with other species.
We dont know the long term effects of GMOs on animals, let alone people.

>>770423
That's not science. That's junk science.

>>770430
Pro tip: You're making shit up.

>>770454
>long term effects

FYI, GMOs haven't been around long enough to determine long term effects.

>>770430

>>long term effects

there are already cows that are fed gmo corn their entire lived.

protip, genetic information has no effect when it's eaten

>>770515
ignorant faggot

learn some highschool biology before coming here. cows are not people

I, for one, welcome a little toying with our DNA. I wanna see some mothafuckin X-men.

>>770530
X-men are scientifically impossible. They break the laws of thermodynamics.

>>770535
Seems like messing with DNA directly could be breaking the laws of biology. But, eh, hippie fag here has never understood why GMO foods are so reviled in my community. Don't like 'em, don't eat 'em.

>the laws of biology
Can you name one for me?

>>770527
Ignorant faggot.

Learn some elementary school grammar before coming here. Capitalization is not difficult.

Also, you're not actually refuting or responding to anything that he said. You're just spouting your ignorant bullshit.

>>769992
>They've been splicing pesticide into the DNA strand >so that when it's sprayed with that same pesticide, it >doesn't die...... hence, we're eating PESTICIDES.

>Not only do they splice the DNA in seeds with >pesticides, but also with viruses and antibiotics. >Think about that.
goddamn i hope that this was a hippie troll of some sort

>>770625
I've been wondering that too. Can people really be that fucking ignorant or are we all just victims of a crafty troll here?

The only thing bad about GMO's is monoculture. The foods undergo rigorous testing and are not harmful to your health.

You'd be surprised by what can be spliced into genes nowadays. GMO foods aren't as healthy as you think they are. Granted, once our scientists are able to master geneticism, then we'll see the good shit. Until then, we're just one large, unchecked experiment.

>>770666

Monocultures will be the doom of us. When our crops are wiped out, so will most of humankind. Ground Zero. Let's hope the next batch of humans don't fuck it up like we've been doing. GMOs wouldn't be so bad if they were more closely watched and kept under control. There are now cases of people suffering from GMO foods. Just because we know how to splice genes together to alter life, doesn't mean we're God or anywhere near close to it. Now I'm not saying that we can't be like God and create whatever we want, but we have FREE WILL, and thus, we must be responsible for what we think, feel, and do. These companies are not being held responsible. They're just letting these products out with little to no testing and the repercussions of such negligence and ignorance shall ripen like a delicious but poisonous flower. Most the world deserves to die, those that don't know what the fuck is up and are preparing accordingly. Will you be ready?

>>769829

has anyone noticed that people like OP are usually uneducated or a kid? I mean, what kind of critical mind can watch a documentary and then start screaming for the heads of scientists and large corporations?

Same goes for all you intelligent design people. Watching documentaries does. not. make. you. smart. nor informed. kkthnx

so...,either lrn2lrn or gtfo

>>770817

OP here. I'm not screaming for heads and such. I just want people to be more informed of what's going on behind the scenes. Do with it as you will. Keep eating whatever you want. I've done research and most of it points to fucked up shit. That's why I don't shop from most grocery stores anymore. I've been working on my own garden and gettin' some fuckin' livestock. This way, I know what I'm feeding myself and the meat I eat.

Mostly I wanted to see what most channers think and feel about this subject. The way the agriculture industry and those that support GMOs are doing things in fucked up ways. They look at $$$ and not health or nutrition or long-term effects.

>>770817

DUMBASS HE AINT SCREAMIN FOR HEADS HE'S SAYIN TO GROW YOUR OWN SHIT. FOR SOMEONE FLAMIN THE OP, YOU SURE AINT GOOD AT COMPREHENSION. JOIN THE IGNORAMABUS, FUCKTARD!!!

>Monocultures will be the doom of us.
Google search "seed bank".

>There are now cases of people suffering from GMO foods.
Name one.

>doesn't mean we're God
There is no god, asshat.

>They're just letting these products out with little to no testing
That's bullshit. They're regulated by the EPA, the FDA, and the USDA.

>Most the world deserves to die
That's not a very nice thing to say.

>The way the agriculture industry and those that support GMOs are doing things in fucked up ways. They look at $$$ and not health or nutrition or long-term effects.

This is opinion. You have not provided any evidence of the same.

do some fockin research! here's a link to an article from 2000. that's nine years ago.

http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/service9.htm

the documentary points out that a lot of people that work for Monsanto are also in high official roles in the FDA and EPA. that just comes to show how wonderful our government is :) NOT

Monsanto have even said behind closed doors that their objective is to control the world's food supply.

GMO is a fine concept, but the everyday actions of one of the most corrupt corporations on earth doesn't help it's case.

>>770867
The world doesn't have a food supply. It has billions of food supplies.

Who's the superhero they are pitted against?

ITT: America hating liberal traitors.

>>770857
That's an opinion piece. There are no references. There is zero science involved. Don't let your narrow little mind be swayed so easily by someone else's agenda.

Damn hippies bitch about world hunger. Give them a technology that helps end that, and now they're against it. Make up your minds

>>770877

We don't need a new technology, we need to revert back to some old school shit. Growing food for yourself and your family.

>>770879

This is the world I wish to one day live in.

>>770879

It's people like you that can never understand how the advancement of science and technology will change our world for the better. Enjoy your stone age methods and go live with the Amish, toiling away until you die

The rational contributors to this thread are still waiting for one (just one) example that GMO food has ever been harmful to anything.

I'm also dying to know how you plan to feed 6 billion with these so-called "old school" methods of food production.

>>770885

I will, thanks! Enjoy your poison and starvation when these crops FAIL, while I sit on my lawn and shoot arrows into your ass when you come by begging for some food I've GROWN.

>>770887

World Hunger came about when the rest of the world tried to become like our first world countries and weren't ready for it. Many of them were farmers that knew how to work the land and provide food for themselves and their families. Now you've got countries like the good ol' US of A stepping in when their shit's all fucked up, buying up their land and utilities, and then saying we'll subsidize our foods and then feed you it.

"Give a man some fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime."

Science and Technology are needed to propel us forward, but it's doing more harm than good. Find the happy fuckin' balance. Most people here are just flaming and spouting the ignorance embedded and programmed into the sheep brains. ENJOI YOUR AIDS

>>770889

Your arrows cannot penetrate steel, my stone-aged chum. Have fun with your pointy sharpened sticks

>>770894

Shouldn't you change it to "Give a man some food, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to farm, and he eats for a lifetime!" ???

>but it's doing more harm than good
How is it doing more harm than good? Tell me HOW? Does the concept of "burden of proof" mean anything to you? Just saying something doesn't make it so.

>>770894

You don't really understand globalization beyond believing that it has to be bad just because you don't understand it.

>>770894

Those cows, chickens, and other livestock that feed you through old-fashioned methods are just a result of genetic modification and selective breeding over many years. Science has just now begun to give us a way to speed that up. Technology is still new, and of course there are going to be problems (especially when people are irresponsible enough to cause the conditions that lead to your explanation of world hunger). However, clinging to your old methods is the wrong way to go about things. Instead, if we try to understand the technology and look for the proper way to utilize it, we'll overcome the flaws and create a better situation for everyone.

>>770910
This has been reiterated ad nauseam in this thread. You can't fix stupid.

>>769936
This guy has it right

this makes me LOL

Oh Fuck you rich middle class hippies
when you have fucking nothing to eat who's gonna argue about fucking gm produce being poison. Tell that to the people who are eating soil because they're starving. You rich fucking hippies will always have your organic overpriced garbage because there will be demand for it. But don't go and screw other people over because of your self righteous oh science is bad nature ftw mindlessness.

>>769924
Ausfag?

>>770889
You, um, think that a whole country's worth of food, GMO and non-GMO, is going to fail in our lifetime, while your family's worth of crops manages to survive the same apocalypse?

Wow.

Half my family used to farm. I'm not that close to the process myself, but I'm willing to bet you've never even seen a cow field.

Farming enough food to feed your family and have reserves is tough, and completely inefficient from a global standpoint. Industrial farms DO make sense. Maybe we could make some changes in the meat industry, but asking everyone to go home and sow their own acres of every vegetable they are going to want for a year is so damned impractical it would never ever work.

>>771247
>I'm willing to bet you've never even seen a cow field.

I used to like squishing fresh cow patties between my toes when I was a really little kid. It was neat because they were warm inside. :3

>Farming enough food to feed your family and have reserves is tough, and completely inefficient from a global standpoint. Industrial farms DO make sense.

There are too many humans on the planet. Make everyone farm for themselves or die. Most would die in short order. Then the rest of us could help repair our shitty ecosystem.

>>771265
wait... but that would weed out the smarter part of the population that has the rest of the people trained to do menial things like farming. that sounds just awful. unless you mean let each country produce their own food, in which case bring it on.

>>771278
I'm fairly smart (I.Q. 154 in 4th grade), and I do type homesteading stuff in addition to computer repair shit.

>>771265
...You do realize only the middle class and rich people in, say, America, would have the resources to educate themselves on the subject if this plan was put into action? Hmmm... yup, that sounds like a peachy-keen plan to me.

If you are hoping to "kill off" the people I think you want to, that's kind of a bad way of going about it. Also, seriously, how self-righteous and world-hating are you? We might have fucked up somewhat, but no one deserves to die simply because we aren't living like cavemen.

You go do it. Go. Get some PR for your idea. Live on some nice empty field on your resources, enjoy the fruits of your labor. We'll watch. When it works, sure, you might get a few converts. When it doesn't, great, you can hang your head and come back into society.

There is no way that plan will work, and you know it, so don't even troll about it. Come on now.

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN HERE

>>771282
lol If it kills off people like you then I'm all for it.

>>771281
You know, some of the people I've met who claim to have had that kind of I.Q. when they were younger simply do not strike me as being that bright. Tests are not an indication of success in the real world, they are simply documents drawn up by other individuals who are lacking in some ways and excellent in others.

Sure, if you have a higher score, you're more *likely* to be brighter in *more traditional academic areas* than other people, but a specific number isn't a great indicator. An acquaintance of mine supposedly has a 130 I.Q., and yet I can run circles around him in writing, memorization, concentration, G.P.A., math, science, etc. (I have never been tested, but given my SAT scores were only a few hundred more than average, I can't imagine it would come back as high as his). If you can not unlock the potential behind the "magic number," it is merely a number.

Sorry, I just had to get on my high horse and rant.

>>771294
I garden, so unfortunately your plan fails.

>>771305
I hunt and forage. Good luck surviving when hordes of ravenously hungry people pillage your lands and rape you in many ways and probably consume your flesh.