Indifferent

A-o'tay

Also indifferent. If I want to eat something local, I find food that says it's local. The same method applies just as easily to GMOs. If it doesn't tout the fact that it's not genetically modified, I just assume it is. Big fucking deal.

Do you also want the government letting you know which breeds of apples McDonald's is using in their pies, or which breeds of onion are being used in your onion powder?

How about the fact that Monsanto is a subsidiary of the US govt and they don't want you to know the harmful side effects of GM food? Reproductive changes, organ failures, birth defects, cancer. It's sad to think that people don't want to know.

>>3435699
There is a huge difference between knowing what variety of apple or onion is in something as opposed to whether it is genetically modified.

>>3435708
And? Farmers have been genetically modifying their crops for decades, if not centuries.

buy organic

this is what happens when liberals let the government create monopolies

>>3435702

It's sad to think that some people are so easily bought by propaganda.

>>3435708
There is indeed a huge difference between two essentially identical things, yes.

don't give a shit because I have taken a genetics class and don't succumb to pseudo science conspiracy theories

Well i know basic genetics, so i don't really have a problem with this. It has no relevance to my health and it brings prices down so I have no reason to complain

>>3435709
There is a difference between hybrid plants and modifying the genetic make up to make it resistant to roundup and insects. This has already proven to be responsible for weeds and insects to be resistant roundup and the bt corn or soy or potato.

Feels bad man. The fact that Monsanto is banned in other Western countries is enough for me.

Big dairy, Big agriculture, big gubmint, big anything is bad.

>>3435724
>There is a difference between hybrid plants and modifying the genetic make up to make it resistant to roundup and insect
Well its done in a different way. However when it comes to consumption/diet there is no difference at all

Lots of Monsanto douche bags trolling tonight eh?
What you call propaganda scientists have already proven true. Thats why there is such a backlash against GM's and they will be labeled. Monsanto and DuPont don't want this because people will quit buying. For the benefit of health and variety.

>MFW there have never been shown any adverse health effects from eating GM foods. All it is, is a bunch of evidence-less scare tactics from crap like Greenpeace, or The Organic Growers Association.

"The main conclusion to be drawn from the efforts of more than 130 research projects, covering a period of more than 25 years of research, and involving more than 500 independent research groups, is that biotechnology, and in particular GMOs, are not per se more risky than e.g. conventional plant breeding technologies." - The European Commission Directorate-General for Research and Innovation 2010 report on GMOs

>>3435736
except that its all uneducated hippies that are against GMO and almost all scientists strongly support it

>>3435733
There is a huge difference in flavor, nutrition, and overall health to humans.
Banned in all other western countries for a reason.

>>3435742
>nutrition
Many are engineered to be more nutritious, the rest are identical
>Flavor
Again, some can be made to taste better, none are designed to taste worse, that would just be dumb
>overall health to humans
Some are better for you, most are the same

>>3435741
>>3435738
http://www.actionbioscience.org/biotech/pusztai.html
Always have to go to the uneducated hippies. I studied biotechnology and know the adverse effects that GM's have on the environment and to humans. Since Monsanto is in charge of their own studies it has to go out of the US to prove their results are fixed and ignored.

>>3435754
Really, if you took into to genetics in college, you would know there is nothing inherently bad to GMO foods.

Now you certainly may have some objections to Monsato's business practices but thats an entirely different issue as the science behind the crops is completely sound

>>3435751
None are more nutrient, the flavors are bland.
I have had tables of GMO food next to sustainably grown food, (no pesticides or GMO) and the taste is very noticeably in favor of the sustainable.

>>3435759
Science in general is always sound. The results are the problem. Crop failures, super weeds, birth defects, cancer. Why is every other western country banning GM products? They are all uneducated hippies? No. Their scientists have proven that GM crops are harmful to the environment which means they are harmful to humans. Monsanto does not want those results to be broadcast, because they are the truth.

>>3435765
>None are more nutrient, the flavors are bland
Thats just false, GMO obviously doesn't make things bland. There must be other factors in play in your situation.

It is quite possible that producers who grow GMO foods have other practices that cut costs at the cost of quality that "sustainable" farmers do not. In science you must learn to separate variables and not confuse things that often occur together as having the same effects, correlation does not imply causation. There is absolutely no plausible mechanism by which genetically modifying food would be worse for your health or blander

>>3435776
>Why is every other western country banning GM products? They are all uneducated hippies
More or less. Politicians easily are influenced by uneducated loud people. politicians themselves are usually relatively unintelligent and are likely to fall for scare tactics

>>3435783
You sir are an idiot and a rapist!

>>3435778
Taste tests matter. It has been proven time and time again that GMO's do not have near as much flavor as sustainable. Even grass fed beef and chicken over factory GM fed tastes ten times better. MOnsanto doesnt even feed their employees GMO food in the cafeterias.
http://www.infowars.com/monsanto-employees-dont-eat-gmos/

>>3435809
>It has been proven time and time again that GMO's do not have near as much flavor as sustainable
There is absolutely no evidence of this
>Even grass fed beef and chicken over factory GM fed tastes ten times better
grassfed and gmo are not mutually exclusive. The diet of an animal surely has an influence on its flavor, whether it is GMO or not does not

>>3435765
Im actually not sure if this guy is trolling, but for the sake of discussion, if you think any produce on this planet is grown without pesticides then you do not have an informed enough opinion to even be part of the discussion. All farming uses pesticides, traditional farming uses pesticides that are artificial and have been tested and formulated to be as safe for humans as possible, organic farming uses natural poisons only, like nightshade and arsenic, which are just as harmful to humans as they are to the pests. Or did you not hear about all that organic baby formula with toxic levels of arsenic making it to market?

>>3435813
stop trying to reason with him, he does not know how to science

>>3435809

>infowars


HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA

I find it hilarious that some people in this thread think GM foods are the same as selectively bred foods. Obviously you don't know how DNA works.
For anybody interested in why (at least in this point in time) we are unable to successfully genetically modify foods (to the point of being cost-efficient, safe, healthy, etc. compared to natural foods, which is the goal), I recommend reading Seeds of Deception. People really need to understand how money is power and that companies can lobby and bully scientists and use scare tactics to make something seem good.

http://stopogm.net/sites/stopogm.net/files/SeedsDeception.pdf

The copy above may possible have typos in it or be partially unedited or un-revised.

>>3435829
or you could just learn science

>>3435829
>MFW the people that believe this shit tend to also believe the scientists who talk about Global Warming, even when their opponents ply the same arguments about their scientific research.

>>3435816
Where are you getting your information? Why is it that so many idiots out there believe that all farming has to use pesticides? My god! People have been brainwashed to believe this. I have grown acres of food with the use of any pesticide or herbicide at all. Also I know hundreds of other farmers that do not use any arsenic or nightshade. Not to mention it blows the flavor of any GMO food out there.

>>3435829
unrevised also means unreviewed, so I will not be reading it. I do not listen to soap box arguments.

>implying genetically modified foods don't have the possibility to lessen if not rid the world of hunger because of their superior yields and growing conditions.

stay wrong and ignorant hippies.

idk, OP, how do you feel about all the food you've ever eaten ever is genetically engineered, no exceptions.

oh I see now, your're a big fat liar. cheers

>>3435834
>Why is it that so many idiots out there believe that all farming has to use pesticides
It is incredibly inefficient and completely unsustainable to not use pesticides

>>3435834
you have never done that, the people you are talking about do not exist, it is impossible, if pesticides were not necessary to large scale farming our primitive ancestors would not have started finding ways to use them, they would have never come into existence at all. also proof is required for such bold statements

>>3435834
>Also I know hundreds of other farmers
really? How?

>>3435837
Gm foods will not lessen with the onset of super weeds that are growing all over the midwest and super insects that are starting to resist the GM crops. Plus it has already been proven that GM crops have not increased yield or growing conditions. http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agriculture/science_and_impacts/science/failure-to-yield.html

>>3435834
"I now say that the world has the technology – either available or well advanced in the research pipeline – to feed on a sustainable basis a population of 10 billion people. The more pertinent question today is whether farmers and ranchers will be permitted to use this new technology? While the affluent nations can certainly afford to adopt ultra low-risk positions, and pay more for food produced by the so-called “organic” methods, the one billion chronically undernourished people of the low income, food-deficit nations cannot."
"Producing food for 6.2 billion people, adding a population of 80 million more a year, is not simple. We better develop an ever improved science and technology, including the new biotechnology, to produce the food that's needed for the world today." In response to the fraction of the world population that could be fed if current farmland was converted to organic-only crops: "We are 6.6 billion people now. We can only feed 4 billion. I don't see 2 billion volunteers to disappear." In response to extreme critics: "These are utopian people that live on Cloud 9 and come into the third world and cause all kinds of confusion and negative impacts on the developing countries."
-Norman Borlaug "father of modern agriculture" and winner of the Nobel Prize for his work

>>3435853
>Plus it has already been proven that GM crops have not increased yield or growing conditions
Thats a fucking ridiculous claim

STOPFEEDINGTHETROLL

saged and reported

>>3435846
The propaganda that the biotech industry spreads is really funny. They will do anything at their means to get people to believe that they need them. What a joke. More and more farmers are realizing that artificial means are not needed. This is also the reason there is such a rise in backyard farmers using organic seeds.

>>3435854
This is a huge lie. There is not more of a cost in producing organic foods. Monsanto and Dupont are charging huge amounts for seeds that you can only use their pesticides and herbicides with. Over 200000 indian farmers have committed suicide since 2006 because they have gone broke due to Monsanto lies and deceit over how to grow BT Cotton. Seeds cannot be reused and you must use roundup. This is happening all over the US now too. Farmers are going broke due to a promise of less work and money output with increased yields. All lies.

>>3435809

Why would you eat your own product idiot?

>>3435857
Did you read the article or many others? Google it. Not rediculous at all. PROVEN!!!!!!

>>3435876

>buy seeds
>cant follow instructions
>must be BIG X's fault

>>3435887
Instructions were in English and there was a Monsanto rep there to help them and guide them on the proper growing techniques. Plus not informed that plants would not produce new seeds. Monsatan lies!

Don't really care about genetic modification at all, but Monsanto can eat a big bag of dicks for many other reasons.

I honestly don't know. I do believe the government is trying to kill us, so them forcing toxic food on us isn't a huge stretch. I eat a mix of organic/non-GMO foods and some "regular" foods as well. Aside from that, I just know to avoid trans fats and artificial ingredients and all that.

I hate how these idiots associate Monsato's questionable business practices, with the science of genetically modifying crops

I'm not against GMOs on principle, but they could have ramifications on the environment, depending on how they are modified. This is only really different from traditional breeding methods in very specific cases, such as engineering salmon to generate human growth hormone. Another major factor to consider is biodiversity. GMOs are often cloned, and while crossbred to some extent, exhibit very little genetic diversity. This makes the plant population more susceptible to disease and other problems.

Numerous studies have been done demonstrating the safety of GMOs as a food source. No worries in the short term. Long term effects, if any, remain to be seen. GMOs just haven't existed long enough to know.

I am firmly against what Monsanto is doing with their GMOs. Their business practices are another discussion as stated above, but using genetic engineering to accomplish this stains the entire field of genetic engineering in the eyes of the public and impedes progress.

>>3435959 I do believe the government is trying to kill us, so them forcing toxic food on us isn't a huge stretch.

Well, that's because you're retarded.