uh, just become a dishwasher/prep and work from there?

what the fuck is culinary school even for? seriously?

so what you're saying is, just skip the culinary school entirely?

culinary school was a good jumpstart for me, definately learned the basics and got me interested in a wide array of things...but the experience as far as being "usefull" in the industry definately comes from working in it


i work with untrained people...and most of them dont know how to properly make roux, and think that lemon cream sauce is bur blanc

>>1696095
here's the paradox: how do you get a job IN the industry when nobody is hiring and you have no experience?

>>1696116
that's not exactly a paradox

>>1696081

winner, winner, chicken dinner

>>1696116
see
>>1696039

thats what i did.

everything you learn in culinary school you can learn BETTER on the job

waste of fucking time

get a real job that actually needs to be done

>>1696116

happy accident, sucking dick or getting someone's dick sucked. E O L

>>1696116
start in a position that doesnt require experience like... DISHWASHER / PREP COOK

HURRRRRRRR

>>1696174
...unless you think you can just swallow a pill (degree) and magically become head chef with no kitchen experience.

>after being kitchen hand you thought you REALLY knew where its at.

>then you got onto /ck/

lol

>>1696175
The same can be said of nearly any higher education job. Sometimes it's as important or possibly even more important to have a good internship/job placement program in place for after graduation. I have no knowledge of culinary schools specifically, just speaking in general.

>>1696116

truth be told, most places would rather have an unexperienced person with a good attitude, rather than some asshole who is cocky and thinks he knows how to do everything

unexperience means you can be molded exactly how they want you to be...i had no problems getting jobs in tough kitchens because of my attitude

>>1696237
the service industry is indeed a HUGE network, my school doesnt have any program set up specifically, but the chefs know people all over the world, and can get you in if your the right person

>>1696217
someonnnne knows my tripcode...and they dont like me much..aparently

>Got an associates
>Went into industry without thinking I'm a badass
>Everyone respects and appreciates me
>Everything went better than expected :D

>the key to success,

if your a culinarian your whole life and learn something new everyday, you still dont know shit when you die

>>1696318

This industry is changing almost everyday. I wouldn't dream of doing anything else. I work full time, come home from work and read about other restaurants, recipes, ideas, etc. When I got out of school I was scared shitless about actually working in a high productive kitchen, but it's really been amazing.

Pic unrelated.

>>1696326

seconded good sir...glad to hear im not alone in this...it IS /ck/ for chrissakes

I actually got my job by saying I learned I didn't know anything when I went to culinary school and then now I feel like I know enough to know how to learn more

>>1696326

mid-20 something detected. Secure your future now, but, don't worry chuck, you'll lose that unbridled enthusiasm...no matter how hard you try not to.

>>1696361

it was my first job that taught me that...i was a naive little asshole until my last semester of school...wish i had learned sooner, i would have benefited from it a lot more

>>1696369

Hehe actually just 20 atm

>>1696326
>>1696387
How did you do it? Did you work your way up? Did you have good connections after graduating culinary school and just applied everywhere? I'm 20 now and I'm contemplating ditching what I'm doing now for culinary school because I love cooking and half my spare time is spent in the kitchen.

>>1696394
Oh forgot to mention that I'm hesitant because all I hear is that unless you're an executive chef or something your pay and hours will suckass. The idea of living in mediocrity forever scares me.

>>1696397
surprise surprise
it's a blue collar job

>>1696397

anyone who does the job right will have an unreasonable amount of hours...the pay gets better as you work your way up, depending on how good the place is

dont do it for money, dont do it for fame, do it because you love it

>>1696397
If you're on SomethingAwful or forums are currently public, you REALLY need to check out this thread where people working in the industry discuss it: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3229849

>>1696394

I started off washing dishes in high school, fell in love with working in a restaurant and went to school, got a job during school working salads and desserts at a chain restaurant. After school I applied everywhere I could, finally got a lucky break. I just didn't go in acting like I knew the business like the back of my hand. The mistake people seem to make is acting like they know everything, just be humble and confident.

Someone mentioned earlier that the industry is a huge network, it really is. If you get a job you hate, don't be a douche, do the job you're suppose to do, find another and always leave on good terms. No matter who your employer is work your hardest, and be productive. Word will get around if you're lazy and don't show much of a passion.

>>1696402
One of my dreams is to work in a nice restaurant but I'm scared I'll get stuck in some shitty place working as a line chef for the rest of my life. How exactly does one work their way up in this industry? Do I just work a bunch then apply to higher up restaurants?

>>1696410
I'm not, could you just give me the gist of it?

>>1696417
Same way you work your way up in any industry I'd imagine... Skill and ambition are important but many times luck and connections are just as useful, if not required.

>>1696417

dont knock line cooks, its a very respectable part of the industry

the way it worked for me goes like this:

i started off as a server for a chain restaurant, because i had no service industry experience at ALL and didnt want to throw myself into a kitchen when i didnt even know how to hold a knife,

after getting a feel for the lifestyle/expectations i applied at an extreamly popular local place..luckily for me, they were all about doing things a particular way, and training people from the ground up...it was at that job that i learned i didnt know jack shit, i hadto bust my ass super hard...i was there an hour early off the clock every day getting the kitchen set up, i learned to put up with all their cocky asses as well...still havent worked in a place that was as bad as it was
i would regularly go home crying half the time, after a while i started bussing tables and busting ass for their front of house, because it wasnt working out for me in the kitchen

anywho, shit was not going well there but they didnt want me out of their company (they recently bought a different restaurant down the street) so they sent me there where i did what i could to fill spaces, i did every station, washed dishes, and did as much prep as i could, to hone my skills and get some linecook hands

also note im going to school full time as im working full time (70+ hour weeks)

I'm a cook, and it pisses me off when waiters piss and moan over how long it's taking to get food out. Shit has to be done a certain way, and that way takes a certain amount of time. We don't give a damn about the customers bitching, they'll get their food when it's done and be fucking thankful for it.

i quit my first job, got a job at the hotel i work at now, and have doing the same routine...busting ass back of house getting my hands on anything and everything, offering up suggestions to the chef on some of the stuff we are doing, im also the only cook who will go out front and help buss tables when we dont have any orders

while ive been at the hotel, i took another job at a really crappy local place, where the management basically didnt exist...the chef who was there quit a few months after i started, so me and this other guy basically ran the kitchen, and had a huge part in writing the new menu which as a very unexperienced 20 year old, is HUGE...i quit there on new years, and now work at the hotel full time

i've watched like all the episodes of iron chef japan.

if you get the chance to drink with managment, take the opportunity! ive learned a lot by sitting in my chefs basement drinking whisky and playing wii...it was on one of those nights that he told me that i have the potential to be an amazing chef, and that i needed to get out and see the world (midwestfag)and that he knew people that would get me in where i needed to be

so im still working and schooling full time...in may hopefully i will get my hotel restaurant management degree, on top of the associates degree i already have, and i will have applied too places at chefs recommendations, and as soon as i graduate and can afford a move, im moving on to bigger things

>>1696027
>then you got a kitchen job
Then you thought you REALLY knew about having a job.
Until you realize that cooks work all day, get paid shit, and have little or no social life outside of co-workers.

>>1696476

i wouldnt have it any other way

at least im not sitting in a cubicle getting fat
and more depressed as life drags on

>>1696302
>>1696370
>>1696402
>>1696463
>>1696466
>>1696467
>>1696471
>>1696473

lol I dunno if you're drunk or high or what the fuck your problem is but whatever you do, just don't stop dude

>>1696479
>at least im not sitting in a cubicle getting fat
and more depressed as life drags on
>COOKS
>NOT DEPRESSED
>implying alcoholism isn't rampant in the food industry.

>>1696487
That's the best argument I've heard for becoming a BoH professional. I can drink to my heart's content after hours, and all the other staff will be doing the same, so I don't feel like a loser!

Do chefs still do all kinds of crazy drugs like Anthony Bourdain talked about?

>>1696495
There's a big difference between social "drinking to your heart's content", and alcoholism.

>>1696487
hey man, its a stressful job, personally i just drink for the social aspect,
"get together after work and drink" keywords: get together
>>1696495

ive yet to come accross anyone who did more than smoke pot and drink a lot, im sure that there are some heavy users still...but you gotta remember how much people love chefs now...they cant be the degenerates they used to be,

i know one guy that has 3 fellonies and cant get a job..and he has been in a 2 year program for 5 years...he prolly aint going anywhere

>>1696483
gots a case of da passion sir

>>1696027
>>1696505
>>1696505

should also note: the guy that worked for us who was an alcoholic got fired for incompetence

>>1696476
we do it because we love it.
anyhow, don't you have a soul you need to go lose in the corporate rat race? shoo.

>anyhow, don't you have a soul you need to go lose in the corporate rat race? shoo.
>Implying food service workers are somehow more "free" than other categories of worker.
Not unless you are a part owner of the business.

>>1696504

Um, no. Claiming that one's drinking is "social" is one of the major denials used by alcoholics.

>>1696527
>Um, no. Claiming that one's drinking is "social" is one of the major denials used by alcoholics
Thats exactly what I was trying to say. See the post I was responding to.

>>1696523
>Implying food service workers are somehow more "free" than other categories of worker.
when was this ever implied?

>>1696540
>when was this ever implied?
When you called other professions part of a "corporate rat race" that you "lose your soul to"
Implying that food service is not.

I'm probably one of the few actual cooks here on /ck/ meaning I've worked on the line in restaurants and know what I'm talking about. The rest of these idiots watch 2 episodes of Alton Brown and other garbage from Food Network and think they're Alain Ducasse.

>>1696544
>Alain Ducasse.
>name dropping.
>instant credibility.
good job.

>alcoholism
so what? u mad?

>>1696553
It's copypasta bro.

>>1696555
>so what? u mad?
No. If you're an alcoholic, then its U SAD not I MAD. The acoholic-level drinking is to dull the pain of knowing you may have chosen a dead end career.

>>1696544


You're not the only one. I've been on the line since I was 15, went to a vocational school in highschool for culinary and I recieve my Associates in Culinary Arts from Johnsons & wales University next week. (Culinary school is the biggest waste of money btw, you're much better off doing apprenticeships and getting a business management degree)

>>1696560
>It's copypasta bro.
You commit to memorizing copypasta?

>>1696565
yeah man. i make a good wage doing one of the things i most love in this world, sure is reason to get depressed and drink.
guess again!

>>1696574
No, I just have the amazing ability to recognize something I've read many times before.

>>1696579
>yeah man. i make a good wage doing one of the things i most love in this world, sure is reason to get depressed and drink.
Results not typical, actual results may vary.
Also...
>If you're an alcoholic
Check the qualifiers bro.

>>1696560
>herp de derp everything's copypasta lulz

>>1696580
>>1696580

this

>>1696580
>No, I just have the amazing ability to recognize something I've read many times before.

Oh shit. You are clearly superior at spending many hours on the internet. You win! I submit!

>>1696468
I've worked in food service. It was LOLMCDONALDS, so I wouldn't exactly say what I was doing was 'cooking'. But, thats right, sitting there bitching about how you NEED IT NOW when IM DOING IT NOW, FAGGOT really doesn't do anything but distract me and perhaps even postpone it to spite you. Aren't you fucking watching me do it? STOP FUCKING TELLING ME HOW IT NEEDS TO BE DONE FASTER.

This probably crosses over into any similar situation, though. The courier needs to fucking be patient until the package is prepared.

>>1696588
oh but i AM an alcoholic.
picked it up about 10 years ago when i was a punk-rocker. i usually drink about 6 beers a night now-days (usually alone since I don't want to drive after drinking any booze), sates me but doesn't give a hangover.
i dunno if you've ever been hungover working a kitchen before, but that shit is how people lose jobs/fingers/etc along with being just fucking stupid and unprofessional.

>>1696603
Yeah it sucks when the waitstaff act like advocates for the customer.
"WHATS TAKING SO LONG ON MY ORDER LETS GO!"
Just throw them a friendly reminder that THEIR tips are dependent on YOUR work.

>>1696596
Actually, I was implying the opposite. It's called sarcasm, maybe you should look into it.

>>1696612
>You commit to memorizing copypasta?
>No, I just have the amazing ability to recognize something I've read many times before.
>Actually, I was implying the opposite. It's called sarcasm, maybe you should look into it.

So you're admtting that you do commit to memorizing copypasta.

>>1696621
I meant I implied the opposite of what you were saying. By saying it was "amazing," I actually implied the opposite, that it was ordinary.
But forget it, it turns out you're just an idiot, so yes, I am superior.

>>1696629
cool

>>1696629

>>1696629

mary had a little lamb
little lamb
mary had a little lamb
EVERYONE WHO RECOGNIZES THIS SOND IS A PEDO WHO STALKS LITTLE GIRLS AND MEMORIZES EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND SING BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION

>>1696642
copy/pasta

>>1696645
>>1696638
>>1696635
>>1696633
Suddenly, faggots.
Also, I notice there's a "Post to Facebook®!" option. I think that's a more pressing issue.

>>1696642
mad?

>>1696605

proof of this post, did that at 5am new years day, after being passed out for 3 hours, was just slightly buzzed still

didnt stop me from working a busy egg station for 120 people in an hour and a half though, was right out front and talking to them the whole time

>>1696647

I was wondering about that too. WTF?

>4chan
>facebook
wait, wtf? where?

>>1696726

I'm a closeted 4channer, I don't want my peers to know I surf this rubbish.

>>1696730

I think you've described most of us.

I wouldn't tell my best friend in the whole world I come here

>>1696748
I tell my wife I'm looking at porn when I'm actually on /ck/

although a few of my friends are/b/rothers, i still do not want my family seeing what random shit i post on /ck/ daily. and for anyone wondering, YES it does work.....

>>1696706
way to soldier-up though