MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN FOR PRESIDENT

DRUGS WILL BE MANDATORY

how weird, I wrote in Maynard.

tool sucks

they see me trollin....>>95042963

>>95042902

THIS

Sounds like the OP is an America-hater who doesn't understand the essence of our great country.

Hating The Diff'runt and ramming your ideas down everyone else's throats at the point of a gun is what America's all about. It's what our nation was founded on and I, for one, will not stand for the lieberal on my fundamental American freedom to abuse faggots verbally and physically.

>>95042963

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE TOOL IS THE BEST BAND IN THE WORLD THEY MAKE INTENSE SPIRITUAL MUSIC IT IS LIKE SEX IN MY EARS THEY ARE BETTER THAN THE BEATLES BETTER THAN LED ZEPPELIN BETTER THAN NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK NO ONE WILL EVER COME CLOSE UNLESS MAYNARD CLONES HIMSELF AND GANGBANGS HIS OWN SON

How about this for thought?

If two persons want to enter a legal union known as marriage, who are we to tell them no? There shouldn't be a law, only a definition as a reference: Any two consenting persons that are of age. It is not the governments job to defend the views of any one religion. It shouldn't be a Y/N sort of thing. If two men or women go to get married and the clergy on the alter objects due to personally held beliefs, then oh well. They can go somewhere else.

>>95043540
troll'd.i warned you

MAYNARD.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON MY /b/?

>>95042850

You, sir, are and idiot. :(

Faggots are overly aggressive in pushing for rights, I voted yes.

I want to be on MJK.

Seriously, fuck all of you who voted yes.

It's a huge step backwards in our society. People need equal motherfucking rights.

>>95043729

...yeah that pretty much negates everything OP said...

>>95043910
If faggots had gave me OPs arguments instead of screaming at me about how it was a denial of their basic rights and how voting no was evil, then I would have voted no.

i agree with OP, i didnt vote obama, but it was only because i didnt like either candidate, knew obama was gonna win anyway, and mccain won my personal coin toss.
BUT, i do agree that gay marriage should be legal. OP states that "i'm mature enough to realize that in the real world other people do things that i may disagree with, but that doesn't mean i can just BAWWWWW them into submission of my narrowminded perspective." and i totally agree.
seriously, fuck religiousfags for all the oppression they want to instill on us.
im happy to see a serious thread that is actually seeming to be taken semi-seriously, though now that i say that it will probably /thread...

>>95044068

I mean voting yes was evil

>>95044068
not to be a dick, but it is a denial of their basic rights...

your awsome

Well Said OP.
You win 1000 Internetz

omg liek tool is my fav band ^.^

>>95044224
fail
>>95044376
fail

>>95044209
You have the right to be treated equally not the right to be married, I can't go out and marry a 10 year old.

>>95042850
its not about rights fucktard, its about the fact that its impossible for gays to get married, as they are both of the same sex, its not about morals, its about keeping marriage marriage, which is the connection between man/women, not man/man ect. Its bullshit to argue otherwise, marriage was made to create families, gay people cant create families, they are not natural (unless you beleive 'god' mistakenly put a mans soul in a womens body or some shit, which s dumb becuase a god wouldnt make such stupid mistakes)


So yeh you libs love to pretend your anti conservative by voting for gay marriage, but in reality your dumb and want to be different, and not to mention youv never read Durkheims work

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>>95044441

but you should if the ten year old wants to

Just found out about Prop 8's status, fucking raging.

>>95042850
Is that the Burzum guy?

>>95044740
lol

>>95044580
this must be a troll but your argument is total fail.

who's to say god wouldn't intentionally make them gay and intend for them to raise children? if god didn't intend for them to turn out gay, then why did they? lrn2 philosophy/product of environment.

>>95044620

Well if it ever comes up you vote for my right to marry loli and I'll vote in favor of civil partnerships

>>95044580

IT IS ABOUT RIGHTS. Marriage isn't a fucking religious bond anymore, it's pretty much a legal bond. With marriage comes other rights gays can't have without marriage. Fuck your "marriage is only for a man and woman" shit. Marriage goes back earlier than the Bible and earlier than religion. People who love each other and decide to commit to each other are married, people should be able to marry whomever they love.

What the fuck, this is a huge step backwards.

they are trying to hold on to dying traditions

>>95042850
0/10

FUCK YOUR RIGHTS NIGGA!!!!

Tool is awesome and voting fucking sucks

>>95044580
wat?

Marriage is only for benefits these days. Marriage has already been ruined by youngsters getting married in Nevada then divorcing 5 hours later.

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

>>95045247
Your typical Tool fan.

>>95044580

there is not basis for your claims, it's just your opinion that marriage is "supposed to be" between a man and a woman. you didn't explain how you know this, and even if you did, there is no logically valid reason as to why they shouldn't be allowed to marry simply because you have a different idea of what marriage is. you didn't explain what harm can be done.

FUCK YEAH MAYNARD

>>95042850

I don't see how some dumb bullshit like this is even considered today. Faggots >>> Religousfaggots

>>95045090

oh noez, not people saying nothing.

>>95045564

wat

>>95045247

People like you are better off not saying anything.

>>95044441
Ten year olds can't enter into legal contracts. Marriage is a legal contract. Why is this so difficult? If marriage is a civil contract, then make it available to any adults in exchange for whatever responsibilities you want to expect.

If marriage is religious, rather than civil in nature, then marriage should convey NO additional legal benefits (insurance, power of attorney, visitation, etc), and the government shouldn't have laws endorsing one religion's particular views of marriage over another's.

I like how everyone who disagreed with OP pretty much just said "no, you're wrong" without giving any reasons.

Why would an homosexual be christian? its mindboggling..

>>95045924

Why won't the gay community accept the same rights as marriage under a different name?

>>95046015

it gets your thoughts all trapped like they're in a bottle

>>95046091

they probably fucking would

>>95046091
why the fuck should they have to?

Yeah, keep blaming us, it was still the nigras who voted for it 70%.

>>95046256

Because it would get them more support, calling it marriage is just an excuse to piss christfags off

OP, You are win, Maynard is win, Prop 8 is fail.


You sir, have my respect.

>>95044580
Oh Christ not you again. You're not the only one who's read Durkheim, just the only one who seems to be using Durkheim to push your personal agenda.

Why should your particular religion's views of marriage matter over the views of other ESTABLISHED religions? For that matter, why should the government be involved in endorsing a religious institution in the first place?

Why is it important to "keep marriage marriage"? It's not like marriage has ever been a static institution. Widespread acceptance of divorce has done more to disrupt the institution of marriage than gays shacking up ever could. Gays certainly can raise families and do, as surely as infertile straight couples can, and hell these days it seems like I know more gay couples who stick together than straight ones.

Am i the only one that just sees marriage as a sign of
status? Seriously why the fuck would you want to be married, when you can just live with the person you love for as long as you want, and not have to worry about the government taxing you for being married? that and if you ever got a divorce... half of your shit becomes theirs, and vice versa.

Perhaps i just see marriage as nothing special, but honestly you can be in love and still not be married.

>>95046871
Well, marriage or civil union (the former is state-endorsed and state-supported and probably shouldn't be) confers certain legal benefits. Besides, status matters to some people.

>>95044580
>gay people cant create families
Neither can infertile parents.

>they are not natural
Plenty of animals engage in homosexual behavior. Humans are animals. How is that not natural, seriously.

Gayfag here.

Fine. Don't call it marriage. But make a national Civil Union rule for ALL gay Americans. You can take your damn Christian marriage and shove it up your cunts; I don't care. But my partner stood outside an ICU for two days after I was in an accident while the nurses had to keep explaining to me that "no, no one can come sit with you." As if having my body crushed wasn't painful enough...

So whatever. You protect your word, but you give me the right to be a real citizen.

Don't like it? Then I'll fucking kick you ass and then fuck it. I'm in better shape than 99.9% of you.

...Fuckers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3375059/Barack-Obama-marriage-
is-between-a-man-and-a-woman.html

you obamafag fags sure got told

>>95042850

You, sir, are and idiot. :/

>>95048001

i'm sorry but i imagined someone saying that with a lisp and it was hilarious

The Bible.

/thread

>>95048001

lol, you're gay

>>95048047

yeah because having a president who is anti-gay marriage means shit...

>>95042850

You, sir, are and idiot. :(

>>95048209

I was going to RAAAAGE that you said that about my comment...

...but then I read my comment out loud adding a lisp...

...and it actually was fucking funny.

So for you: I'll just fuck your ass instead of kicking it first. It'll go smoother for you.

>>95048047
marriage should be between a man and a women, but there should be an equivelant legal partnership for ANYONE without needing a fucking religious aspect.

>>95043847
I WOULD like the right to fuck my mother...

>>95048001
And... why did they let you live?

Probably aids'd up the hospital.

>>95048047
But he's not against the idea of a civil union nor is he for a constitutional ban, which is fucking ridiculous on it's own right.

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/09/obama_argues_for_civil_unions.php

Seriously, the government should not get involved in making a decision such as this. In reality it should be left up to individual churches to decide.

>>95048258
America is not a Christian theocracy. You want a government which basis its decisions on a particular religion's collection of myths and moral codes, move to Afghanistan.

>>95048629

Because like most gayfags... I have both money and insurance. So it's good business to "let" me live.

>>95048886
or just stay in america.

ITT: apparently california is a part of dumbfuckistan

>>95048905
Since when did gay = well to do?

What happened to the sickly homeless faggot who tries to rape the drunks coming out of the pub, imagery?

>>95048047
"I opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. It should be repealed and I will vote for its repeal on the Senate floor. I will also oppose any proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban gays and lesbians from marrying."
- Barack Obama

You sure got told.

>>95048905
Gotta have insurance.. With all that HIV floating around at the gay bar.. you know?

I don't..

Marriage means fuck all today. So now that its ruined, let subhuman buttfuckers do it too.

The same organizations that fought interracial marriage are fighting gay marriage. They are making the same arguments: that it's against the Bible and churches are going to be FORCED to marry people or lose their tax-exempt status.

But no church is EVER forced to marry ANYONE. Most churches require those that want to get married to take counciling with the Pastor/Priest and get "approved." Gay marriage isn't about religion... it's about tax status, equality and the right for one person to fucking be there for their partners during the worst times of life (hospital, death bed, etc.)

This whole Prop 8 thing was fucked up.

>>95049315

Yeah, it's awful. All that HIV in the air when we're just trying to spread our gay germs to infect innocent straight people. That's how we recruit new gay people, y'know. It's an airborn contagion.

PS: Learn to troll. You're boring me.

can someone please explain why fag loving california couldnt stop this? and also why you think a single judge's decision should outweigh a public referrendum

i like you op

>>95042850
Fuck EVERYONE who voted Yes on 8. Why in the fucking world would you want to elimante someone's rights? What if you just found out your sibling or best friend or someone close to you was gay and they had planned on getting married? You should feel MISERABLE for denying them that opportunity. My brother can never marry. My best friend can never marry. My friend's dads' marriage is now null. My friend in my GBLLT Coalition's marriage is now null. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. I hope someone comes to your house and murders all your fucking children and everyone close to you. What is so wrong with gay marriage. It isn't affecting you. It's NOT taught in school. Marriage is not taught period. I talked to a teacher who said she's never even HEARD of marriage being taught in schools. Yes, so maybe sex ed is taught, but in all the sex ed classes I've ever had or my suster's ever had, marriage was NEVER taught. Your goddamn fucking churches will NOT have their tax-exempt status revoked. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Congratulations on being fucking sheep.

Protip: Don't get your kids involved in this issue. Gratz on breeding your kids to be hate-filled one day. I hope they rebel against you and murder you and your spouse or sig. other. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. I hate every single one of you who voted Yes on 8.

Gay people, why do you want a marriage anyways?

>>95050266

Many of us don't. We just want to know we can keep our houses and not get fired for being gay. I honestly don't give a fuck if you call it "marriage" or whatever... I personally just want it to have all the same rights as any other civil contract between partners...

...but the fucking uber-fags want us to DEMAND to call it marriage. And the result? Prop 8 passes in the most liberal State in the US.

>>95050221
Could have just saved my eyes and wrote
>Bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Marriage exists for a reason. It's a practical arrangement that contrains both parties in such a manner that accounts for the natural division of labor in sexual relations. This simply doesn't relate in any way to homosexual relations. The context is different, therefore the policy must be different.

>>95050266
>>95050266

the right to each others superannuation, pension,
immediate inheritance of possessions
thus full civil citizenship as a couple.

and some people like, y'know, to get married.

its mostly about legalities though

>>95050673

yeah that was all cleverly worded, but EXPLAIN.

Cork Suckers pay taxes too. They have every right to be just as god damn miserable as me.

>>95050624
Bawwwwwww implies that the poster was in the wrong about the rage. Quite the contrary. 52% of California did it wrong, and should be shipped off to Mexico where they can worship jesus candles, tapestries, and tortillas with his stupid anglo-saxon visage cooked onto it.

>>95050673

Nope. Though well stated, you're quite incorrect. Modern society has already proven to push beyond the "division of the sexes." The point of gay marriage is that we exist in millions across the country; we own houses together; we own businesses, etc. If one of us gets sick, we can't even visit our other half in critical care... that's reserved for spouses or "real" family. We can't inherit. We can't protect each other in insurance, social security or anything else that's federal.

YET... we still pay full taxes. Actually: we pay MORE taxes because the gov't says we're "single."

So don't call it marriage, but give us what we pay for.

>>95051142
Holy shit I didn't even know about the hospital part (eurofag).
Not gay, but raging nao.

>>95044441

Your an idiot, theres a huge difference between what two consenting adults do, and one concenting adult pressuring a 10 year old, christ why do you think all those cp threads get b&, cause its exploitation

>>95051541

It's against my Amerifag nature to ever EVER say that you eurofags do anything right or better than we do... but on this issue: you do.

The fact is that when you're so sick you could die, you want that one person you love to be with you. Or the reverse: when that one person you love is sick or dying, you want to be there beside them. In most American states, that is easily and frequently denied.

i blame the mexicans, look at southern california,
i know liberal atheist mexicans that voted yes on 8

>>95051142
i think most everyone agrees with equal rights, its all just a bullshit semantic argument, in my opinion the govt shouldnt weigh in on religious terminology gay or straight, but i cant call it marriage, you can cum a billion times up the poopinschaft but you will never shit out a baby

>>95051553

You're the idiot, I made that troll post ages ago

>>95051998

troll'd

>>95051982
You are the CANCER of pro-8 thought. Look up marriage in the dictionary, not once does it mention procreation. THAT'S your own personal input into what marriage is. So, why can you have your own thought into what marriage is, and gay people can't? Fuck you.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vI-GjWY-WlA

Gayfag here: I'm not the OP, but I guess I kind of took over the argument on this post.

Just wanted to say that Prop8 isn't officially decided yet... it's too close to call.

And who cares, right? This is /b/. We don't fucking care about any IRL shit like this... but this post got a bit real... so let me just say this...

Gay marriage isn't about insulting the religious beliefs you hold dear. It's not about throwing out "lifestyle" in your face or forcing your church to do anything AT ALL. It really is to just protect those of us that already deal with daily prejudice. It protects our assets (not asses), our legacy, our lives and our love. That's ALL.

And may I add: gay marriage isn't a new concept. Biblefags: go read Solomon. Historyfags: research the same-sex marriages of Pharoahs, Ceasars and citizens of both Ancient Egypt and the Roman Empire. This isn't a new idea... Fairness and Equality never are.

C-ya losers. Gotta go to work. Peace.

Democrat voting population and President-elect sells out their own, maintain that they're the only conscientious choice. Astounded, angry gays point fingers imaginary bible thumping state majority.

>>95051142

The two traditional (and normally, legal) manners by which marriages are annulled are 1) Failure to consummate and 2) Adultery. These amount to deviations from the expectation of producing children.

Part of the problem here is that people in general, and even the normally cynical people on chan (surprisingly) are taking the propagandistic nostrums like "equal rights" and "bigotry", etc, and applying them with the broadest possible strokes. No, things that are SIMILAR are not EQUAL, and not every defense of an institution amounts to HATRED. Really.

fox news reporting:

"Prop 8 ahead by 3% with 97% of votes tallied. Gay marriage banned in CA. Gay lobby lawyers say will challenge in court; that prop is not retroactive to 18,000 gay couples already married."

>>95053073

Um, are you even on the same planet??? Anullments? You're using that to argue against same-sex unions?

And you're wrong: adultery is not ground for annulment. It's grounds for DIVORCE. Learn to... well, learn. The number one reason for divorce is Irreconcilable differences. But all that has NO BASIS for same-sex unions (or "marriage" if you're so stuck on that damn word).

The fact is that IS about equality. Gay Americans are STILL AMERICAN. There are millions and millions of us... everyone knows gay people. We're not invisible anymore.

So deal with this: CA can pass Prop 8, but the equal rights movement will never disappear. America is changing for PROGRESS. We're not going back to into the closet, and we're going to keep pushing until we win.

...and we WILL WIN. Equality always does.

Ok. Seriously going to work now. Take care bigotfag... it was almost a pleasure. You didn't bore me, so that counts for something.

The only argument against gay marraige i've seen so far is that "god made marraige between a man and a woman" or "it's unnatural". Well your "god" has made homosexuals since the beginning of the human race. If your "god" didn't intend to make them then how can it be unnatural? "oh but they aren't MADE gay they just choose to be!": this is just ignorance at it's best. If you actually knew any gay people, you'd realize that it's not a choice. It's who they are, who they have been since birth. You can't change who you're attracted to. Just because it's gross to you doesn't mean it isn't natural. Now you might also say, "marraige is sacred, only a man and woman can make a family", to this i say go fuck yourself. My parents got divorced, i barely saw my dad, and my mom's a bitch. If there ever was any thing "sacred" about marraige it's long gone. Divorce rates are higher than ever. So why not let the gays have the same fate? This leads me to my final point. That one of the principles our beloved country was founded on is the fact that "we are all created equal". We all have the same rights. It's a RIGHT of every consenting adult citizen of this country to get married. By denying gays this right you are saying to them, "you are less than me, you are not an equal citizen". And if you do this then you may as well start enslaving black people and denying women the right to vote again.

>>95054097

Bloody brilliant.

>>95054004

I don't really need the insults. Public policy has to concern itself with 1000s of things, not just one thing. That's why pro-choice/pro-life, pro-gun/anti-gun, etc, etc voters are so poisonous. Gay marriage is just one thing, and excessive concern for it skew thinking.

I was simply pointing out that marriage is, at root, a system for codifying sexual relations, which seemed to be in dispute.

As to your predictions, you could be wrong. Homosexuality has a genetic component, and the fact that, historically, homosexuals often entered (uncomfortably) traditional marriages allowed them to propogate. The "gay movement" will tend to prevent that going forward, as they're much less likely to breed. Standard darwinian stuff.

>5.) why the fuck is it that there are so many "christians" who are opposed to gay marriage, while they are participating in activities that most the lot of christianity would consider sinful(i.e. drugs/alcohol, premarital sex, cursing, etc.) hypocrisy.

THIS.

>>95054097
>>95052840

And a lot of ancient christian cultures used to think it was pretty neat-o to rape little boys. Everything is conceptual in relation to the time period of human evolution it is in. Equality/equal rights are accepting everyone's rational concept of a topic in relation to the average person's empathic IQ; marriage being no different.

>>95054476

Over 1/2 couples seeking same-sex marriage have children. The thought that gay people don't have children is retarded at best. Gay people are still capable and interested in breeding... just not as much as straight people. Do some research. You're obviously intelligent, so use that to try and understand why in the world so many millions of people are so fixated.

But it's not a single-issue for gay people. It's really not. It's the constant slap in the face that gay's are "deviant" or "undeserving." Maybe to the straight and evangelical community it's just a wedge issue... but to gay people: it's the constant stake in our hearts that's forced on us by vile rhetoric and hatemongering "Christians."

This was fun... thanks for the smart opposition.
Peace.

>>95054358
>>95044278
>>95042850

Hear Hear. Thank GOD above there are individuals in this country and the world that still believe in the tenets that this country was founded on, and hold to the GOOD IDEAS behind what has been developed into a blind set of BELIEFS by a bunch of Fundiefags...

Good Arguments are WIN.