MASSIVE MOTHERFUCKIN TITS!!!

Wordfilters are not censorship you fucktard, and IP range bans are not hindering your freedom of speech.

Go and cry into your Rage Against the Machine poster you useless waste of oxygen.

BALLS OF A RHINO!!

>>363338152
>Wordfilters are not censorship you fucktard,
yes they are you shit punching megaDOUCHE
look censorship up in a fucking DICTIONARY .. DICK

>and IP range bans are not hindering your freedom of speech.
YES THEY FUCKING ARE YOU CUNT!!!

>Go and cry into your Rage Against the Machine poster you useless waste of oxygen.
go wank off to your picture of peter andre you fucking FAGGOT!! <- note 'lack' of censorship

I'll just leave this here http://BannedVids.info/DFW57F

I think sigourney has word filters just because he thinks it's funny.

>>363338645
that's beside the point.
whether he thinks it's funny or not it's still censorship

and banning an entire IP range is a form of censorship

and deleting content is a form of censorship.

now he's carrying on about the government doing the same thing like it's the end of the internet.
for a start it's only america. there is the rest of the world around

for another thing sites all over the internet have been doing the same thing as mutt since the internet began

so to me it's a little rich that he's whining about someone else doing exactly the same thing as he does every single day

I ONCE SAW A LADY'S VAGINA
IT WAS MY MOTHER'S
I WAS ON THE WAY OUT

>>363339664
did you lick it on the way out?

>>363337986
been saying this all day

censorship is censorship, doesnt matter what the content is, or who does it

>>363339991
NO. BUT I SUCKED MY DAD'S DICK AFTERWARDS

>>363340161
exactly.
so running the argument that "oh it's bad that someone else does it who's more powerful than us....but it's okay if WE do it to those less powerful than us" is two faced in the extreme.

if he's going to run that argument about censorship he should practise what he preaches and drop his controls here

Which world filter f­aggot ?

word*

If you don't like 4chan at least you can go somewhere else. If let yourself get put behind the Great Firewall of China that option isn't available to you.

>>363340323
this site could have been something, really something..but no, its watered down, like everything popular is

well, we had the web for more than a decade now and i saw nothing on it worth saving.

>>363340525
where else? another censored site?
not so different than china, methinks

I agree op. It's ironic having words censored but when someone censors him, he shits brix.

I for one wouldn't mind seeing it pass, just encourages more of anon to use tor...or vsp.

>>363340722
You are being willfully stupid if you don't understand the difference between wordfilters on 4chan and government censorship of the internet.

>>363341001

censorship is censorship

>MFW I watched the americancensorship.org video and they said all you have to do is enter the IP address of any blocked site and you will still be able to access it.

>>363340347
>world
what a fucking titmouse

>>363341087
i sincerely doubt that it would be that easy or why bother having censorship in the first place.
not everything everyone tells you is true

>>363341507

Actually, it is. They just take the listing down from the U.S. DNS list...which also just happens to be the master DNS list that everyone copies. Because you know, the organization that controls domain names (the people that passes the www.blank.xxx thing) resides in the U.S.. So the master DNS list would be fucked for the whole world.

They can't legally shut down the site, as they don't have international jurisdiction or some shit for that, so they just make it so you can't get there.

Waiting to see if this actually happens before I start looking for an open source DNS list somewhere. Just use a list on your computer and you'll be all set.

>>363341507
lol. So where did you hear about this censorship bill? I heard about it from americancensorship.org the same place that said all you have to do is type the IP address instead of the website name. I guess you're right though why would anyone believe anything they say they're just a bunch of liars. You know what, I ain't even mad, I love teaching sheeple.

>>363341752
like i said, it wouldn't be that easy or there would be no point doing it in the first place.

even they aren't that stupid.

if you could get the DNS list back that easily two things would happen.

1. it would be all over the internet in about 11 seconds
2. it would create the 'deep web' they fear

can't think they'd waste the resources when they well know that the internet is international and even the yanks don't have the clout to control every country in the world to play along.

the net would become even less centralised than it is now and other countries would profit from hosting influxes from all the pron sites who would base their pages there instead of in the US

the govt might as well paint targets on their feet and load up

since when the fuck do you get banned for gore?

>>363342013
OP here.
i only heard about it from mutt when he put all that shit on the top of the board and was weeping in his cocoa about it all.

it just galled me that he bans and censors all the doo-dah fucking day and then gets his knickers in a jumble when someone bigger than him is going to do it to him.

you'd think he'd learn or at least consider his double standard when he's getting a taste of his own medicine.
i'm not getting up in arms on his account unless and until he stops doing the same fucking shit himself.

so what if 4skin bites the big one? there are at least hundreds of other boards in countries all over the world that won't be in the least affected and i won't shed a single tear

>>363342153
You're a dumb one, but I guess that comes with being from a country that believes in "free" healthcare.

>>363342404
sigourney may censor a few words (which yes is censorship) but if that bill gets passed we could see entire websites get taken down, and freedom of speech as a whole will be banned.
I would rather have half a chocolate bar than none of it.

>>363342404
Name another image board that is any good and not based in the US. Hell, I bet you can't even name one site, let alone an image board.

Op is the biggest troll of the night.
word filters are not censorship when everyone knows the word you put.if you don't get this you are probably from the uk.
Also look at this>>363338398 are you mentally retarded? Our just a complete spaz?

Seriously stop fucking with sigourney, he is doing good things. This is practically a none profit website, yet he keeps it going so we can all come and waste time here. If you don't like it or you are just so damn real, then go to another site. Go to facebook and chat with some real ass people who are always perfectly correct with everything they do. Oh wait, if this bill gets passed, there will be no facebook.
Seriously op, go fuck yourself, sigourney does good things for us.

>>363342912
I honestly think op isn't trolling, he is actually serious. A total asshole is what he is.

Another issue Americans will be "outraged" about for 5 minutes while they sit their oversized asses on Ikea furniture and eat garbage. You'll do nothing about it, admit it.

Also: ya, it's pretty funny m0ot is having a fit about this, as he has been censoring shit here just so that he can make more money.

>>363342596
He thinks this has anything to do with freedom of speech. The bill is about trying to stop people from making money off of the hard work of others. While giving a corporation or the Gov't extrajudicial powers is wrong the bill itself is about stopping piracy and copyright infringement.

>>363343073
>more money
The guy is trying to make a living, can you blame him. If i was him, and i had a website the site of 4chan, i would want to make some money too.

>>363342971
>>363342971
>>363342971

You're so naive you're adorable.

>>363343073
Ikea is Swiz. All our furniture is from China you crumpet eating, tea drinking, dumb-ass.

>>363343199
he'sgonnatrollyou.jpg

>>363343171

Don't get confused, no one blames him for trying to make a living, they blame him for being hypocritical.

>>363343080
You wait, shit will steam roll and the internet will be a waste of time going on. This is just the start, if they know they can get away with this, then they will push further. Websites like this actually advertise to stop it. Really though, if you don't like it why don't you go?

>>363343171
So wait... since you don't have a website you don't wanna make money, but if you did then money would interest you?

>>363343286
It's one of the biggest companies in the world and it's sure as fuck not Swiss.

>>363343339
>if you don't like it why don't you go
umm... maybe because I don''t like it.

>>363343405
I make money from a job, if i had a website that could pay my bills then i would defiantly make money that way.

>>363343458
lol, you're right it's Swedish. My point is still valid, furniture in america is from china. I can see the "Made in China" sticker on my recliner right now.

>>363343521
So your big rebellion against sigourney is to make a thread about it? You know as well as i do you will be on here for hours looking at stupid shit. You enjoy this site as much as the rest of us.

>>363343702
What gave you the idea I am OP? I am most certainly not.

>>363342153

Actually, they do have the clout. The people that control the internet, the people that host the master DNS list for the entire world, is based in the U.S.. So they do what the U.S. says. The DNS lists in various countries would fragment, sure, but porn sites wouldn't set up shop there. It'd be in their best interest to just set up a new domain name that wasn't blocked, or help spread a tool to get around the block. Just because it's hosted in another country doesn't mean it wouldn't be blocked by the U.S. DNS list.

This isn't designed to stop people who know anything about computers from torrenting the new season of family guy. It's designed to stop the 90% of people who don't know how to use a computer besides "I WANT TEH FACEBOOKS, WHERES MY FACEBOOKS" from torrenting the new season of family guy.

If you redirect to a DNS server in another country, your internet will be slower and you'll be subject to whatever censorship they put in place. Australia does it. Iran does it, China does it, just much more effectively. And once the U.S. crosses that censorship line, you can bet your ass that the rest of the world won't be far behind.

>>363343856
you have the same ideals as op, it doesn't matter if you are or not, the same point applies to you. Apart from the making the thread, you just post in one.

>>363343080

What's the logical progression of that though?

Wal-mart hates the little startup in china that's making knockoffs of their knockoffs with a slight redesign. So wal-mart gets their website blocked and effectively runs them out of business.

Radio shack doesn't like the little shop down the road selling cheaper shit, so they claim that they have infringing content on their site and get them shut down. No one checks to see if the site is actually in the wrong. They just block it. Much easier that way.

Anyone can claim anything has infringing content and get them shut down. No case, no trial, they just disappear.

That sound like a fun future to you?

>>363344046
Please tell me more. I'm learning so much about myself.

>>363342571
not dumb at all.
i get the free health care
i don't pay for it :)
silly cunt.. fuck i'm glad i'm not american
i bet greenday wrote 'american idiot' all about you.


what i said was spot on
now fuck off and die
there's a good boy

>>363343073
>>363343073

Help spread the word then. ICANN is in the U.S.. If the U.S. decides 4chan should be shut down, it won't be shut down for just U.S. residents, no one IN THE WORLD will be able to connect to it.

Let that sink in for a minute.

If ICANN is affected, the world is affected. If ICANN were based anywhere else, the U.S. DNS censorship wouldn't hurt anyone. But they're here, so it fucks over the entire planet.

It'll certainly be interesting to see how this all plays out. You never know, maybe the death of the internet will make people go outside more again. That would be nice.

>>363344134
You are so fucking retarded. If it was as easy as that there would be no internet. Everyone would just say every website was infringing on the copyright of another and there would be no sites left.

Why are so many people crying about DNS? You can use OpenDNS instead or simply bookmark websites by their IP address as opposed to domain name.

Censorship and felony charges is what should be on the discussion table. Not ease of access to websites.

>>363344161
You do realize your taxes are higher because your government include health care cost into it, right? If you weren't being forced to PAY for health care through your taxes they wouldn't be as high you fucking twat.

>>363342596
>sigourney may censor a few words (which yes is censorship)
stop right there. it is CENSORSHIP. and he does more than that as i've already told you. he acts like some feudal warlord with IP range bans etc and an arrogant attitude and then he poops his undies when he cops the same thing.

> but if that bill gets passed we could see entire websites get taken down,
they already are and have been for a long time. cp sites are always getting squashed as are sites on bomb making and terrorism. this is nothing new


> and freedom of speech as a whole will be banned.
no it won't. you don't have freedom of speech as a whole now (100%). threaten the president, publish military secrets or other stuff will get you fucked in the rectum by the govt, therefore by definition you don't have freedom of speech as a whole.

>I would rather have half a chocolate bar than none of it.
you already do.
sigourney's just farting solids about losing some of his own freedom

>>363344451
The internet is fairly new. There are hardly any laws here.
Look at society now, do you agree with everything the police tell you, or your government makes you do? That is where the internet is heading, when they get their claws into it, it will be censored. The internet will be all about inter shopping and watching t.v.

>>363344606
Isn't copyright infringement already a felony? How would this bill change that?

>>363344700
So you're an Anarchist? That actually explains a lot.

>>363344616
>You do realize your taxes are higher because your government include health care cost into it, right?
wrong :)
you don't quite know what you're talking about even though you may think you do. as usual you're a 14yo who thinks he knows EVERYTHING without all the facts. i'll keep letting you dig your little hole.
>If you weren't being forced to PAY for health care through your taxes they wouldn't be as high you fucking twat.
how high are my taxes you fucking dickwad?
you don't know do you!
in fact you have no idea at all.
you are talking through your arrogant arse

btw: what's more important? paying a little less tax or everyone being able to access medical treatment?
get your priorities right you SELFISH CUNT!

imad ...grrrr

>censor ponis
>whine about censorship

I'm against the bill too, but damn this is an hypocrisy

>>363344716
Profiting off copyright infringement is illegal. Not sharing copyrighted items.

And that wasn't the point of my argument either. I am simply saying that if the DNS servers no longer connect domain names and IP address then just use IP addresses and don't cry.

Of course web HOSTS if taken down would effectively take the website down .. but that won't stop people from hosting the website on a linux box in their closet.

>>363344859
lol, what? At first you dispute my claim that you pay for health care through taxes, then you claim that paying for health care through taxes is better than having a private health insurance company where you decide what coverage to get and how much to pay. I don't need to know what your taxes are I know for a god damn fact that "free" health care isn't free.

>>363342756
http://shii.org/2ch/
go there.
you'll find shitloads.


4tards go there by the swarm every time mutt gets his arse kicked.

what will happen when the biggest one (this one) goes down for good?... they'll get all the traffic

>implying wordfilters are for censoring

the newcandy-ass is strong with this one

newcandy-asses everywhere

wordfilters aren't censorship you NIGGER, m00tles has changed them throughout the years for the sole purpose of fucking with people like you. are you fucking serious?

and CP is bant on the spot because its ILLEGAL. thats like saying someone' censoring you because you couldn't sell drugs to some guy IRL. you stupid fucking limey fuck

this thread = tl;dr but there's a BIG FUCKING DIFFERENCE between a privately run website having its own set of rules pertaining to its content and a government granting itself power to access, edit and remove information on the internet

>>363344451

It IS that easy, and that's why this is going to be a problem.

It hasn't passed yet - that's why this place still exists, and you can still go to youtube and facebook and all that shit.

If it passes, youtube will die - they can't monitor every single video that's uploaded for infringing content, so they'll have to shut down. Facebook would have to block pictures and videos from being uploaded, as users might (and have, and do) upload infringing content.

Do some research. These bills are freaky bad shit. Stop saying "oh no one is that stupid", because they are. Especially when they're receiving millions in campaign donations for their trouble.

>>363345075
>lol, what?
wake up kid

>At first you dispute my claim that you pay for health care through taxes,
and i still do. prove me wrong. all i hear from you is hubris and no actual facts

> then you claim that paying for health care through taxes is better than having a private health insurance company where you decide what coverage to get and how much to pay.
did i? in my country we have BOTH. so if you want you can choose. but private health care costs a bomb for a lot of really poor people so the public safety net is for THEM .. YOU SELFISH CUNT!!.. guess what hotshot... IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT *YOU*!!


> I don't need to know what your taxes are I know for a god damn fact that "free" health care isn't free.
well yes you do you ignoramus
for me it's free ;)

not very bright, are you!

>>363345258
Not a troll, not coming at you.. but, when did anything ever mention them being able to access and edit any information?

>>363345230
how many times do you need to be told you DUMB CUNT?

it doesn't matter WHY sigourney censors, it's a FACT that he DOES!!!!! GOT IT NOW GOMER?

>>363345341
not americunt so haven't looked into it but the impression i was under was that the bills "have the potential to radically alter or shut down sites like YouTube, Flickr, 4chan, others, and all new companies that follow".

so /b/ told me loliduno

>>363345318
I am from England. My 'free' health care comes out my taxes, so no it isn't free. Although i do not fault the service, it works well. But it is not free.

>>363345276
>>363345276
Hey, to add to your point about these bills and the effect they have... it is *ILLEGAL* in some states to use or accept CASH for used goods or services. Sound fine to you? Well, in essence, this means that yard sales are illegal if you don't take a check or credit card and write down name, address, phone number, and other personally identifying information.

A source: http://www.opposingviews. com/i/money/personal-finance/louisiana-bans-cash-secondhand-transactions

>>363345276
lol no. you kids don't understand how the internet works.

If this bill passes, most major websites that can foot the bill are just going to host their content in other countries where its legal and wont get fucked with. that means that things like facebook and youtube might end up costing money to use from them passing the cost on to us, or potentially not if they can still make money from adverts. But this candy-ass bill won't change shit, you dick tits act like the entirety of the internet is hosted in some secret based inside america's asshole. They're really just fucking over our economy more by forcing even our fucking internet to be outsourced.

i fucking hate this piece of shit country.

>>363344948
>Profiting off copyright infringement is illegal.
correct

> Not sharing copyrighted items.
are you for real???
have you ever read the copyright warning on a video or whatever? sharing IS a breach of copyright (musophag here)

please.
learn the facts before spouting such bullshit.

>>363345501
You have no sense of matter.

sucking
sucking

>>363345318
How old are you? Do you understand that without a public health care option your taxes wouldn't be set higher to compensate for the extra cost of government ran health care? That's all I'm trying to tell you. If you got rid of the public health care option your taxes would decrease. btw where are your facts?

>>363345536
The bill says they will be able to shutdown the websites. Which probably means they will shutdown the support from the host. So that wouldn't alter any information and an alternate host (or a linux box in a closet) could be found.

>>363345541
who says i'm english?

>>363345612
If it gets passed in America you can bet a lot of Europe will follow. And you say we will have to pay for things like youtube and facebook like that is no problem....fuck paying for shit like that.

>>363345552

Eh, there's a difference between IRL bullshit that doesn't work (loldrugs) and internet shit that has the potential to make things rather uncomfortable.

If you know how to redirect to a new DNS server that doesn't run off of the ICANN list, you're all set. If you don't (like 90% of people throughout the world), you're fucked.

Personally, I think it's a retarded couple of bills that should be stopped. Not because I won't be able to torrent the new family guy, but because 50 people I know will be asking me how to torrent the new family guy. It'll be a monumental pain in the ass.

>>363345648
>>363345648
Umm, when you purchase an item from the store that has copyright information or images are you the only person that ever sets eyes upon it after that? Or do you share the information with your peers? Do you go to jail for that? ... You must be talking about redistribution of copyright material which can be illegal even if a profit is not had.

>>363345711
Well then whatever magical country you are from, please explain how you get completely free health care without the people paying a penny towards it?

>>363345711
that's not me.
this >>363345669 was my retort to your bullshit.

>>363345812
not every country will, a lot of torrenting websites get away with murder because their shit is hosted in weird fucking places like norway and shit. But im not saying that paying for things like facebook or youtube would be okay, just saying thats how it would probably play out. the internet wouldn't die with the push of the button or some bullshit.

>censors language with silly coloured ribbons
That's a joke, to help create a meme or something.
>bans for upping cp, gore
That shit is illegal(because the way it was made was infringing on someone else's rights, and if it's legal in a capitalist society, it has a market, which leads to more production and more infringing of rights).

Because it's illegal I don't want it on my hard drive.

5/10

>>363345869
Yeah. But I was mainly referring to the wording and the broad encompassing of any kind of bill that may have unintended consequences for everyone, including the legislature that wrote them.

i went to b dub dubs last night and now i can't stop farting

>implying you can't say NIGGER on other boards
>implying wordfilters aren't for lulz and that's just sigourney being an asshole
>implying they're hard to bypass

OP confirmed for homosexual twelve year old

>>363345669
>How old are you?
none of your business


>Do you understand that without a public health care option your taxes wouldn't be set higher to compensate for the extra cost of government ran health care?
1. wouldn't make an ounce of difference, know it all
2. what did i say about you being a SELFISH CUNT! you're showing it YET AGAIN. all you give a fuck about is a meagre tax impost rather than the health of people in the community in which you live. you are a CUNT!


> That's all I'm trying to tell you.
why? i know a fuckload more than you do about my own country's tax situation thank you very fucking much especially considering i used to WORK FOR THE FUCKING TAX DEPARTMENT ... DUH!!!

> If you got rid of the public health care option your taxes would decrease.
no they wouldn't. you are an arrogant ignoramus who's been told AT LEAST THREE FUCKING TIMES that it doesn't affect my tax but like the know it all you are you keep banging on to win some macho point. you won't.


> btw where are your facts?
in my head.
where are yours about my situation? provide some!
you're pretty handy with an opinion even though you know NOTHING about:
- what country i'm from
- my tax situation
- my personal situation
- everything else.

~ i love these 'experts' on the internet that know all there is to know about someone they met on a text thread 30 minutes ago ..lol

>>363345612

You really don't understand how the internet works, do you? Look up what DNS is. Then come back here.


>>363345688

They don't kill the host, that would require cooperation from the host, which could easily be bypassed by hosting in another country. They block the DNS service to turn the string of numbers into an actual name. So unless you memorize the string of numbers, you can't get there, no matter what country you're hosting from.

That means not only could the U.S. block Google if they wanted to, they could block the French Google, Spanish Google and all other versions of Google that they wanted.

And again, try to get this through your thick fucking skulls - this affects the WORLD. ICANN is the source of the MASTER DNS LIST which is used by the ENTIRE WORLD. So if the U.S. says no to hotfile, the ENTIRE WORLD can no longer access that website.

>>363345318
>>363345075
You two are fucking idiots. You realize that people in the UK realize we're paying higher taxes, for healthcare, and that we don't actually mind this?

>>363346145

>>363344648
does mo­ot have bowel control issues?

>>363345964
>>363345669
what the fuck? I have no idea what you took from what i said. But we in England pay taxes for services such as free health care. It isn't free at all, we pay for it. If it wasn't free and less money was being spent on hospitals, then taxes would go down. Then people would have to pay insurance, and thus it would equal itself out. And health care would go private, and either way you look at it, you are spending the same amount of money. You are crazy.

>>363346192
According to this guy he gets free health care. He actually claims not to pay a cent to the doctors and nurses that run the hospital he visits. I would just like to know where this country is that doctors work for free.

cant bypass wordfilter new‮gaf

>>363346039
>>censors language with silly coloured ribbons
>That's a joke, to help create a meme or something.
you didn't read the thread did you where i've explained this three times already .. it doesn't matter WHY he did it it's still CENSORSHIP
>>bans for upping cp, gore
>That shit is illegal(because the way it was made was infringing on someone else's rights, and if it's legal in a capitalist society, it has a market, which leads to more production and more infringing of rights).
doesn't matter, it's still censorship and it's nothing to do with copyright it's to do with moral CENSORSHIP


>Because it's illegal I don't want it on my hard drive.
1. don't come to /b/ then
2. if you don't want it on your hard drive turn your fucking cache off newfriend

>5/10
fuck off. 0/10 for you for not even bothering to skim the thread before posting the same shit over again and with pathetic 'logic'

word filters are not intended to be censorship

it's for the lulz

>>363346176
i understand how that works nignog, there's a difference between blocking a site ala great fire wall of china style, and fucking deleting and altering their shit alltogether like these candy-asses are implying. Thats not the piont i'm trying to make but obviously they can *try* to restrict our accces. get off your soap box and stop missing the point


roody-poo

>>363346176
>>363346176
>Which probably means they will shutdown the support from the host
>support from the host

If you follow my other posts (I apparently am the only non-named in this thread) you will see that I already mentioned using an OpenDNS or just simply putting in the IP address as opposed to domain name. I have a fair understanding of the internet and it's mechanics.

I think you just misread my post. It's all good.

>>363346262
Dude, you lost me. This whole time you've been saying you don't pay for health care and now you change your mind and actually admit that "free" health care isn't free?

>>363346192
>You two are fucking idiots.
no. only one of us is a fucking idiot (this guy - >>363345075)

>You realize that people in the UK realize we're paying higher taxes, for healthcare, and that we don't actually mind this?
i couldn't give a flying fuck.
what's that got to do with me?
i don't live in the UK OR america
presumptuous cunt.

>>363345885
redistribution - aka -SHARING (note there's no mention of money changing hands)
like i said. sharing

>>363346547
You must have me mixed up with someone else in the thread because i know full well that our health care is not free. It is sold to the public as free, but anyone who knows how much of own wages we pay on taxes knows we don't have anything close to free health care.

>>363346403
He types like a twelve-year-old. He's right... ish, but most likely has learning difficulties. You're better off just dropping it.

>>363346145
It doesn't matter what country your from. People don't work for free, someone is paying the doctors in your country and since you've already admitted to using a public option for health care that would mean it's the government that pays in your country. Guess where your government gets it's money? TAXES from you.
>what did i say about you being a SELFISH CUNT! you're showing it YET AGAIN. all you give a fuck about is a meagre tax impost rather than the health of people in the community in which you live. you are a CUNT!
So you admit that you pay for health care through taxes because it's better for the health of the community you live in?

>>363346666
I agree with you. You just type like you're pissing on your computer. Or society. And I assumed UK, since people who learn English as a second language are generally better at it than you.

>>363346547
i think you're referring to me and you have me confused with the other two posters i was fighting with.

please niggrah

i'm the intelligent one with the boyish good looks.

don't make that mistake again.

i don't pay for healthcare and my taxes would be unaffected whether there was public healthcare or not

even if it WAS i'd be happy to pay a levy knowing my fellow people were able to get adequate healthcare when they need it

the SELFISH CUNT i was arguing with is more concerned with his tax return than the people around him who help him live a contented life in many different ways every day of his life since before he was born and will after his death as well

>>363346418
>doesn't matter, it's still censorship and it's nothing to do with copyright it's to do with moral CENSORSHIP

This sounds to me like you have a problem with American law. As a large majority of 4channers are living in America, this place has to adhere to a few laws, especially now that the US is trying to be digital police(Let's see how the rest of the world feels about that later on today).

You seem awfully mad at your audience and peers for someone who is really just upset at a situation.

>>363346917
So you don't actually have healthcare? Oh Jesus fuck. Look man, where are you from? So we can go look up the actual situation, rather than the retard-flavoured version you're giving us.

>>363346682
How is he even close to right? I say he pays for health care through taxes and he says he doesn't pay for health care. How is that "right..ish"? He is blatantly full of shit.

another debate on 4chan that started as 1 thing and ended as another. Why even bother with these bullshit arguments?

>>363346666
I think we are in the same book but on different pages here. By sharing I mean a small group of peers that you deal with on a daily basis. Where the point of your communication goes beyond the copyright information the topic is on.

And by redistribution I refer to printing MASS copies of this information to give to random people and strangers.

In one instance the copyright information is discussed and "shared" but not copied and distributed. In the other, the information is copied, reprinted, and distributed.

>>363345688

Eh, I think we got our lines crossed. I'm saying that if they're in the U.S., they'll be shut down by the gov't. If they're outside the U.S., they'll get blocked via DNS. So if they're already outside the U.S., they won't have any problems except that no one will get to their site.

Moving to outside the U.S. won't help anything because it'll still be blocked by the U.S. DNS. Even if you had to pay $10/month for facebook, it'd be pointless, as you wouldn't be able to get there without typing in a string of numbers, which is too much work for the majority of people.

And then there's the question of where openDNS gets its listings from. They have to have a source somewhere, which is probably ICANN, as they're the people that approve the domain names and such. So if they source from ICANN, they're still screwed. Unless they just never update what's been deleted off the list, in which case they'll have a lot of sites that just won't connect because they moved servers, or went out of business. It'd be a very messy solution.


>>363346517

The ability to actually modify the data on the server has never been up for grabs with these bills. It's ONLY the DNS block that's in question. I never implied that they'd actually be able to fuck with the files on the server. Not sure where you got that from. But it'd fuck up pretty much the entire world.

>>363346917
Who pays your the hospital's in your country for their services?

>>363346881
>I agree with you. You just type like you're pissing on your computer.
no i don't. you're just being childish because you got chided and now you have some teen angst to vent.

>Or society.
oh please. don't go all philosophical on me. it's all i can do to keep john cooper clarke from stabbing you through the internet


> And I assumed UK,
because you're an ass


>since people who learn English as a second language are generally better at it than you.
awww. isn't that cute. can't win an argument so he throws juvenile insults instead.
i bet you were crying as you typed that.

I agree with OP. And as a musician I support the new legislation anyway.

>>363347085
Right now, I have literally nothing better to do.

>>363347029
You implied that the tax increase outweighed the benefits of free healthcare. At least, that's what I got. Kinda skimmed the earlier posts in this thread. My bad, anyway.

Really on the free health care issue, only the dumbest of the dumb don't have it. In Australia, a senator Stephen Conway intends to give us a nanny filter to keep us nice and safe from the internet nasties. can't wait.

>>363347095
you're splitting hairs.
redistribution isn't that specific in the copyright warnings.

try arguing it out in court and you could find yourself in shit

>>363347268
conroy's filter was dead as dodo shit a couple of years ago. /b/ saw to a lot of that

>>363347264
I never said private health care was better or cheaper than public, only that public health care isn't free.

>>363347029
no. i'm not full of shit.
YOU are because you're an arrogant .. KNOW-IT-ALL!!

you DO NOT know what you are talking about but you THINK you do

>>363347148
>I'm saying that if they're in the U.S., they'll be shut down by the gov't.
What do you mean exactly .. there are a few ways to shut down a website.. and none of them prevent the original creator from finding a new host or becoming his own host. (Unless they "shut-down" the website after jailing the original creator or something)

>>363347421
You really need to explain how the FUCK healthcare works in your country. Or at least where you're from. I have never been this confused by /b/ before.

>>363347268
IT ISN'T FREE YOU DUMB SON OF A BITCH!!!

>>363347398
>I never said private health care was better or cheaper than public, only that public health care isn't free.
so fucking what? neither is private as you admitted

(i'd love to know what the fuck this has to do with internet censorship)

>>363347508
IT IS YOU FUCKING FUCKWIT!!
you just don't know what you are talking about
but like the noisy yank you are you think you fucking know everything (amazing how you can tell this cunt 50 times and he still doesn't get it)

>>363347508
'free' in the sense that, if you break a leg, it's already paid for. If you need a CAT scan, it's already paid for. If you stagger into the emergency room with a knife wound, it's already paid for. By taxes and health insurance and such.

>>363347277
Good point, but I have good lawyers so that's up for debate. Back to watching this discussion escalate.

>>363347513
as with most things, private things are better regulated by the free market than any rules laws or people could do to regulate public healthcare.

private is always better, cheaper, and more efficient.

the united states does the most pharmaceutical research... because they can make money on their discoveries

>>363347592
Who pays the doctor's wages? And where does the money for the medical supplies come from?

>implying roody-poo and VAGINA are censorship and not for the lulz

>>363347421
Answer these two questions so that all may be revealed.
1.) What country are you from?
2.) Who pays for the Hospitals in your country?

Doesn't the EU mirror the US DNS? It really isn't that hard to mirror your own private DNS from the public one either. If you have a copy of any linux or windows server package, you're 50% there.

>>363347505
>You really need to explain how the FUCK healthcare works in your country.
why? you fucking well KNOW EVERYTHING!!
you've been telling ME all about MY OWN HEALTHCARE SYSTEM for 20 FUCKING POSTS so far all the fucking ins and outs.. ARROGANTLY TELLING ME shit when you don't even know what country i'm from!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so HOW THE FUCKING FUCK can you tell me all about my financial situation and how my healthcare is working out for me????? HMMMMMM????? come on mr. KNOWFUCKINGEVERYTHING!! tell me all about it!


> Or at least where you're from.
OH so you actually ADMIT FOR ONCE that you don't know it all???? amazing

> I have never been this confused by /b/ before.
obviously nobody's ever pulled you up before and said ...HEY SMART ALEC .. TELL ME ALL ABOUT MY OWN SITUATION!! after getting a serve from you in your ivory tower looking down on us and telling us (patronisingly) we don't know our own situation and YOU DO!!

fish out of water anyone?

>>363347863
You mad.

Anyway, yeah. I'll concede that. We assumed how your healthcare works through things like logic. And basic economics. But no, that clearly doesn't apply to your magical system. We are all ignorant. Please, share with us the wonders of your gloriously superior system?

>>363347641
>as with most things, private things are better regulated by the free market than any rules laws or people could do to regulate public healthcare.
lol - you must be american to believe that fucking CRAP


>private is always better, cheaper, and more efficient.
rubbish.

>the united states does the most pharmaceutical research... because they can make money on their discoveries
so poor folk can't afford it. big fucking deal

>>363347610
Private health insurance works the exact same way. I pay a monthly premium so that if I get hurt or sick the health insurance company pays the doctor instead of it coming out of my pocket. Shit I guess when you look at it that way I already have free health care who needs a public option.

His website, his rules.
Same applies if the government does pass this.

ITT: 2 people hashing it out of healthcare and neither is using solid evidence or facts. + some number of people watching for the lulz.

This thread should die now.

>>363347661
Answer this. And stop with the 'hurr you are American, you don't know anything' bullshit. That is a weak thing to say. Who pays for your hospitals? Or do you live in Africa or something.

LURK MOAR you idiots saying that wordfilters are censorship. Wordfilters constantly change and are there FOR TEH LULZ.

Anyone who has lurked around here... hell, anyone that can use google can find out how to bypass wordfilters.

Internet censorship is not being done for the lulz, so fucking wise up and realise that this is an important issue for EVERYONE who uses the internet.

>>363347863
You have ignored me for about 20 posts. WHO PAYS THE FUCKING HOSPITALS IN YOUR COUNTRY FOR THEIR SERVICES? Let me guess no one since you have free health care the dr.'s just do it for the good of the community. GTFO

this bill will be as ineffective as m0ot banning ponis

>>363347958
>You mad.
one of the few things your dullard mind picked up

>Anyway, yeah. I'll concede that.
well fuck me! he FINALLY heard what i've been saying all along.

> We assumed how your healthcare works through things like logic.
we? who are you, sybil?
no, you assumed through things like PRESUMPTION.

> And basic economics.
no. ignorant PRESUMPTION

> But no, that clearly doesn't apply to your magical system.
oh dear. calling nurse butthurt. 'magical' indeed. nothing of the sort

>We are all ignorant.
i know. i've been telling you since you started your bullshit tirade.

> Please, share with us the wonders of your gloriously superior system?
howaboutno.jpg
i don't respond to sneering sarcasm.

>>363348021
So saying that when your government offers "free" health care that isn't actually, they make you pay higher taxes isn't a fact? Shit, I gotta go back to school or something.

>>363348277
Me and the other guy constitute "we". Also Who pays the hospital's in your country?

>>363348168
no i haven't.
that's only the second time you've asked the question.
so go fuck a pineapple.

the government pays for some, private organisations for others and a combination for yet others

>>363347472

If they were in the U.S., they'd jail the guy that started it. Because I believe that hosting, streaming or distributing copyrighted works is a felony these days.

The finding a new host if they seize the server is one way to get around it. So is finding a new domain name. The point is that they shouldn't have to do that kind of crap.

That and it would ruin the experience on the big mainstream sites. Imagine facebook without pictures or videos, flickr gone, youtube gone. It'd suck.

So help stop the damn bill already. I'm going to bed.

>>363348277
Oh. You've realized that you're wrong. And rather than accept it, you stubbornly attack every individual point I make in any post, ever irrelevent shit that I'm typing only to be a dick.

MAYBE if i TYPE with random words in CAPITALS youll understand me BETTER?

>>363348413
You. Fucking. Braindead. Fucking. Moron.

>>363348413
Where does your government get it's money?

>>363348375
what other guy?
the giant black rabbit?
already told you

btw: there's no apostrophe in hospitals when used as a non-possessive plural.

what was that about my english again?

>>363348471
diddums

>>363348496
You haven't realized. There's about five different people argueing with you.

>>363348477
armed robbery and selling kiddie porn

>>363348559
or i could be fucking with you like a big black horny cock on a stick

If you look into it instead of flying off the handle, you would see that the proposed bills include banning or even prosecuting people for copyright infiringement issues mainly. TO have moderator control over a board to keep it within reason, and having government saying, you can't post that cos its illegal mate and fucking closing shit down, are 2 very different things. I don't know why I even bother explaining because if you can't see that, there's no point. Not being able to post the word NIGGER without getting filtered is hardly an infringement of your rights now is it, compared to getting a summons for downloading a film you didn't pay for

>>363348496
Actually, he's a white rabbit.
As for your English, it still sucks.

>>363348631
try reading the thread
there's a good boy

>>363348652
no. my english is fine.
and it's certainly better than yours

Where is spiderman when you need him?

>>363348621
Who the fuck let you on a computer?

Ohwait. You could be on a laptop. There was me assuming again.

Anyway. What you're doing now, is trying to make yourself look like a poor troll, to hide the fact you just made everyone on the fucking planet's IQ drop a couple of points by your awe-inspiring stupidity.

OP is a candy-assgot.

Things are not fundamentally wrong or good, it all depends on the context. The why, the how, the what for, the other possibilities, and so on....

Censorship is not wrong, it depends what you censor.

>>363348631
Word of advice: Turn around and leave this thread now while you still have the chance.

The candy-assgot who was on about he doesn't pay anything to health care had no argument from the start and was being stubborn, he is now going to try and play it off like he was trolling everyone from the start. Just let it go guys, he is clearly 14 years old and smokes too much weed.

>>363348710

Try having some idea of what the fuck you are ranting about. "OMG MOOT YOU DONT LET ME POST THE WORD NIGGER AND CHILD PORN YOU MONSTER"

>>363348751

>dur i get free health care!
free huh who pays the doctors
>dur the govt!! duururrr
yeah and where does the government get the money
>duurrp... um... taxes
so whos actually paying for the doctors?
>im really stoopod but let me think reaaaaal hard
>oh... i am
so is it free?
>shit guess not


why are you letting your government middleman your fucking health care needs....

have you been to /pol/ you stupid motherfucker?

also, Niggers. idiot

>>363348772
>>363348899
Hey spidey. Nice dubs.

Lolwut

>>363348434
>Oh. You've realized that you're wrong.
no. because i'm not. only a spastic like you could think anything i said was an admission of wrongness.

> And rather than accept it,
get your hand off it or you'll go blind

> you stubbornly attack every individual point I make in any post,
pretty much the same pissweak point over and over again captain arrogant. you still don't get it.

> ever irrelevent shit that I'm typing only to be a dick.
> ever
your irrelevAnt dick points differ from basically EVERYTHING YOU TYPE in what way again?


>MAYBE if i TYPE with random words in CAPITALS youll understand me BETTER?
no. you just look like more of a downie than you do already .


: comes onto thread about internet censorship v mutt's hypocrisy and thinks it has the upper hand arguing about healthcare for 20 posts.

i'm in the presence of greatness *eyeroll*

>>363348988
Oh fuck. Wrong thread.

>>363348920


Because we all put a bit into healthcare for everyone that needs it in countries that have national health. Anytime I get ill I can get treatment no matter what, even if I don't have the money for it.

>>363347212
go to bed joel

So in conclusion...sigourney is decent guy, he gave us this website, it is his website and if he can make a little money out of it to pay his bills, that is fine by me. A little word filter here and there for a laugh is funny.
Moderating and starting the journey of censoring the internet is not ok, it will lead to other things. If it gets passed in America, it will effect everyone.
And you pay for your health care, even if you are too stupid to know how that works...you do pay for your health care, no matter what.

>>363348899
god, jesus, fucking mary and josephnuggets

that's got to be the thinnest pretext for a spideymad i've ever seen.

may your balls wither to the size of raisins and die for your blasphemy

>>363349037
Dude, give it up we all know your not that smart and that you actually believe the government when they tell you the public option is free.

>>363349037

Look, please see this post:
>>363348920

THAT'S why you're wrong. Give up. Jesus fuck.

>>363348920
nope.
i'm not paying a cent you silly cunt
you fail and will always fail

>>363349311
Oh shit I finally get it. This guy here isn't paying for health care. HIS health care is legitimately free....

>Because his parents are paying for it.

>>363349311
you dont have a job?
you dont own property
you dont buy things?

if not... you're underage...

>>363349281
nope.
it's still wrong
but i know something that you don't and that allows me to sit here and laugh at you.

PRESUMPTUOUS CUNT

the guy is acting stupider than he is now to act like a troll. Before you were talking to a 12 year old. Now he is acting like a 8 year old to try and act even more retarded than he already is.

>>363349397
+1

>>363349416
+1

>>363349227

Free at the source. The cost is shared by everyone in the form of taxes. How hard is that to understand?

>>363349445
You got trolled into thinking he is a troll. He is serious.

>>363349431
Let's take this a step at a time.
Do you pay taxes?

>>363349057
What are you doing here? Did you even read the thread before you posted? Everybody here ecxept the guy from the "land of doctors who work without payment" knows that already.

>>363349541
I fucking lol'd.

>>363349397
give this man an apposable thumb.

congratulations.
you can cease peeling your dinner with your feet and join the land dwellers.

you are partially right.

fucking amazing how long it took someone to get a clue.

but then again this thread's teeming with right wingers so evolution's still in first gear for them

>>363349541
Lmao. I am going to use that on people who have "free" health care.

>>363349620
Oh dear...

>>363349057
not all of us.
that's what the knuckle draggers here have been missing

>>363348920
My face when I pay no tax and still get free health care.

french guy here

>>363349497
So because you PAY in advance it's free? I have never seen anyone contradict their selves so bad as you just did.

>>363337986

downie on welfare, stupid assholes, him included

/thread

>>363337986
You must be an Americunt. Nobody else could be so spectacularly stupid.

>>363349541
he (me) knows it and always has.
it's silly arrogant know it all cunts like you who go off half cocked but think they have all the answers.

show me WHERE i said they work without payment (bet you can't)

>>363349620
Hahaha. Thanks for the concern but I actually have two opposable thumbs.

Btw.. you aren't funny.

>>363349620
>>363349700
...

>>363349710
OMG

>>363349782
must i?
seems YOU are the stupid one as all you have at your disposal is some asinine comment with no argument to back it

>>363349710
hehehehehehehehehe e
bonjour mon ami

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>>363349728
>mfw tax is not payment
>mfw it's still free
>mfw you're the biggest idiot here
>mfw that's quite an achievement

>>363349811
If you don't pay for your health care then who does?

>>363338899

ITT: a bunch of f­ag­s who are mad at m­o­ot because they haven't figured out that you can bypass wordfilters

>>363349728

Dude what? I said free .. at the source. AS in, We pay ze taxes mmkay and this goes to ze doctorsss and hospitals, but we all just pay a little bit, not a lot, then, we go hospital when we is ill and get made better, and don't get whacked with a huge bill. I personally did not pay for it all in advance, I paid a little bit towards it and so did a lot of others too, not paying idividually for 100's of 1000's of dollaz worth of shit so you dont die of AIDS

Reported that stupid cunt from earlier for being underaged.

>>363350024
>>363350024
>>363350024
>>363350024
Read the thread before posting. Idiot.

OP IS A FAG

roody-poocandy-asssigourney

>>363349892
It's self-evident. If you weren't such a gibbering imbecile you'd see that for yourself and wouldn't need to plead for somebody to explain it to you in words of one syllable.

>>363350073

>WORDFILTERS ARE CENSORSHIP

Thread in nutshell, fa­g­go­t.

>>363349973
What? Paying taxes is payment for living in a country and having access to it's resources including government run health care. If you really believe that you are receiving health care without paying for it I fell sorry for you.

>>363349227
>Dude, give it up
why? i'm winning and have been all thread.

>we all know your not that smart
>your not that smart
>your not
>your
oh fucking spare me.

>and that you actually believe the government when they tell you the public option is free.
nope. i know it is. unlike you i know what i'm talking about

>>363349932
Je vous salue camarade

>>363350208

Its not free but the cost is shared not solely on the individual who is unlucky enough to get sick. Lets call that a compromise, now ahut the fuck up roody-poo

>>363350174
no, cockbreath.
learn to fucking read.

wordfilters
banning
cp, gore removal
ISP range bans


THEY are censorship you blind cunt.

>>363350174
>>363350174
>>363350174
I will respond to no more of your posts. But, if you think that sums up this thread then you didn't read it or you are just a fucking idiot. Plain and simple. Point and case.

>>363350287
Why are you still here?

Congratulations, you live off of daddy's credit card. What a fucking achievement.

>Doctor, my knee hurts
>Fix'd - $30,000 please
>ITT: jelly americunts

>>363337986
Maybe its because CP, Gore etc are illegal? If he didnt ban for them and prove he takes it seriously then 4chan wouldnt even exist.

>>363350059
You should really get out more. With private health care you pay a little every month so that when you go to the Dr./hospital you don't have to pay out of pocket. That doesn't make it free you are still PAYING for it even if it is through taxes.

>>363350132
roody-poocandy-asssigourney roody-poosigourneycandy-ass sigourneycandy-assroody-poo sigourneyroody-poocandy-ass candy-assroody-poosigourney candy-asssigourneyroody-poo

>>363350394
pedo cancer detected

>>363342571
holly shit you just went full retard

>>363350420
>Why are you still here?
because it's my fucking thread fuckface (me big OP bwana)

>Congratulations, you live off of daddy's credit card. What a fucking achievement.
really? what's your father's name again? and what's his credit limit?

>>363350435
FUCKING THIS!!!!

>>363350570
lol the first thing you see is pedo.
says heaps about you really.

haveaseatoverthere.jpg

>>363350435
You really think that's how it works?

>>363341057
It's obvious this is the first time you have heard of these bills. To start "cenorship" is no the same as "censoring", you uneducated fuckstick. Secondly, the censorship part is actually the least imposing part of the acts, they want the ISP and search engine providers to hand over all of your browsing information to any butthurt corporate lawyer scum so they can sue you for an exaggerated sum for their client's intellectual property. If you don't download shit, fine, but every time you google "Asian man masturbates on obese black woman" there is going to be a flag that pops up and categorizes you into a certain group. I advise you talk to an Australian, ask them how they like that nice pop up when they go to a black listed site. Educate yourself, then come at me bro.

>>363350583
You think you won an arguement because you're too young to pay taxes. You shouldn't be allowed to make threads. Or is that censorship too? I don't really know what counts for logical thinking in your dumb-ass mind.

>>363350675
probably not
in america they want the money first
or you can fuck off and die