angsty 20-some-year-olds thinking that they are entitled to things that aren't theirs

Occupy a job

The future of their countries...

...I am extremely afraid.

>>362349873
>>362349873
>>362349873
yeah thats what the media such as fox news wants you to think, im sure in the uk the same things are being said by the insane monarchy supporting government

do you have an informed opinion on whats occurring?

>>362350341
>guy fawkes mask
>srslynow

It's a bunch of college drop outs that are whining about how expensive things are. Get a job to afford your iPads and $200 designer jeans. If you can't afford it then you go without. That is how life works.

I dont understand it all

>>362350713

are you denying that the voting system is broken and that politics is about grabbing your taxes and giving it to the corporations that WIN even when they LOSE their money? (bailouts)

>>362350341

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04a_1320637387

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e71_1320616714

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b84_1320583072

Seems true to me

The basic premise is that the government and the top 1% of the US have fucked the country up so badly that the rest cannot do anything but live as a slave caste. The erosion of the middle class has left such a huge gulf between the rich and poor that it's almost like two different societies.

That's what they're supposed to be fighting but the media and idiots (on both sides) tend to muddle the message. It's the precursor to revolution, one that America needs desperately.

so a movement involving cities across all of north america

that has strong components across europe

that understands unity with the oppressed people of the middle east


is just a bunch of kids with low gpa and useless degrees and no work ethic?

>>362351587
true story

>>362351587
What will said revolution achieve?

Work hard
Do well in school
Get degree
Get good paying job
Continue to further your education while working
Make shit tons of cash
Enjoy your life

I'm actually surprised that some terrorist hasn't decided to strap a bomb to his stomach and run into the crowd killing several thousand of the retards. It's the perfect opportunity to do it.

>>362352031

not having a system that gives supreme power to government where corrupt people are drawn and hence even with good intentions the system becomes corrupted?

just a thought bro

>>362349495
American Occupy protests make sense due to how much the top tier 1% have fucked up country.

Canadian Occupy protests are a bunch of hipsters looking for attention

/thread

It's the Democratic party that has fucked up the country. Since the civil war they've been stabbing the country in the back.

>>362352086


let me get straight to that

while people get fucked over across the world due to the corporations that i ignorantly support

>>362350341
nice mask

>>362352271
So by holding up signs and camping out in public streets the top 1% will simply admit that they're fucking up the country and share their wealth and power with the rest? Ok then.

>>362349495
>>362349495
What does this have to do with fapping?

>>362352528
That's how the world works. How is this protesting going to change anything?

>>362352031

If things go well for everyone the revolution will be pretty easy and work itself out in the next couple of years before the next big problem Elderly versus Young comes along. We'll gain universal health care, cut the military and close a ton of bases, make politician's financing more transparent, and improve public education.

If things don't go well we'll have a violent revolution in 20 years and most of the nation's wealthy will be killed in similar fashion to the French Revolution. If the US stays in one piece after that it'll take decades before it grow back into a first world nation.

Either way, things will change.

>>362352574
visibility is key

""dont be afraid and think you are in the minority, just because the news says the movements arent huge

look for yourself

you arent the only one that sees the wrongs of the world"""

thats the message being sent to every free thinking person out there

>>362352086
is that all that u guys really got to say?Get a job?
Don't you see that the movement is far beyond this?

>>362353179
First off I don't watch the news. Secondly I still don't see how a bunch of people in tents with signs is going to change anything. Things get done with bloodshed not with a bunch of Apple fanboys holding signs.

>>362353432
Its not our fault you got a degree in Womens Studies.
What did you think was going to happen.

So much samecandy-assging in this thread

>>362350713
Have you actually went to occupy camp? It's actually mix of people of all types.

>>362353539

theres time for everything, why do you only look at the present moment? there are tensions that have been rising since the last WORLD WAR that can not be ignored any longer

>>362353171
A true, real revolution? Do you honestly see the entire balance of power being shifted so quickly?

i gave up on it. You can't sway tyrants with peace. All i see now are ignorant fucking hippies. I'll join the movement when i see wall street burning.

Older anarchocandy-ass from the Seattle WTO riot days, really inspired by the Occupy mvmnt, though I'm looking forward to some crowds saying fuck it to nonviolence as an ideology & shitty representation by leaders & non-profits.
If I may make a humble suggestion to bookmark & read later, for inspiring ideas around anonymity as a strategy, nihilism,& insurrection in modern society check out the pamphlet The Coming Insurrection. You may agree with it or you may not, but it's a fascinating & influential piece that might be of use to legioncandy-asss. Also a bit on how NOT to do it, as the alleged authors were raided & charged with terrorism in connection with the pamphlet.
"Flee visibility. Turn anonymity into an offensive position. In a demonstration, a union member tears the mask off of an anonymous person who has just broken a window. “Take responsibility for what you’re doing instead of hiding yourself.” To be visible is to be exposed, that is to say above all, vulnerable..Not making ourselves visible, but instead turning the anonymity to which we’ve been relegated to our advantage, and through conspiracy, nocturnal or faceless actions, creating an invulnerable position of attack..No leader, no demands, no organization, but words, gestures, complicities."
The Coming Insurrection by the Invisible Committee
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/HTML/comite_invisible__The_Coming_Insurrection.html
Lulzy YouTube of Glenn Beck losing his shit over the pamphlet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKyi2qNskJc
Keep fucking shit up & don't get caught.

I work a full time job and literally cannot afford health insurance. I've got school payments, car payments (and insurance), rent, a phone, and internet to pay for. I also have a powerful need to eat once or twice a day. So how does my job manage to make any headway if I'm literally one cut string from being dead?

If I get in a car accident my car would be gone and I'd still owe money on it. I could be seriously injured and have no means to pay for it. I wouldn't be able to work to make payments on my apartment and would lose everything.

The occupy movement is built on the fact that millions of Americans are one small step from being homeless or dead and the politicians and wealthy think they're the ones in the right.

>>362354141

it wont be quick, and it wont be easy

would you want to give up the power to control entire countries by having a direct ear to their politicians that people have allowed to have more power such as invasion of privacy?
it would be hard to give up if you had it and liked it

i dont want that power, i want everyone to be free

>>362354141

These are best and worst case scenarios. Our future could lie somewhere in between. However I sincerely doubt things will change in the next four years. This is going to get worse before it gets better.

>>362354889
>sephiroth.jpg

To anons sick of nonviolent ideology & it's accompanying bullshit, I can't strongly enough suggest to check out the book below, and to pass it on. It's really accessible and makes a great case for dumping pacifism as a puritan strategy.
Back in the globalization protests this was a whole drama shitstorm, there's lots of other places to find arguments about it, might be useful to sidestep some of the dumb drama we went through.
How Nonviolence Protects the State PDF
http://zinelibrary.info/how-nonviolence-protects-state-peter-gelderloos
Other anarchist articles and debates about nonviolence, property destruction, etc:
theanarchistlibrary.org
Pacifism as Pathology by Ward Churchill

yeah, it wont just be boom and nice and over easily

anyone thinking that is insane

but to believe we will continue accepting this nonsense is even more delusional

>>362354676

Your image is inaccurate. The 300 Spartans were backed up by a fleet of Athenians keeping the majority of the force occupied and they were a force of 7,000. It was a great example of terrain and superior arms beating numbers, not a righteous force or many versus few.

The Spartans had bronze armor and shields whereas the Persians who had to travel a great distance were in leather. It's an example of better trained, better armored people with superior positioning standing up to a larger but much more poorly equipped/trained forces.

So... basically the 99% would be the Persians crashing against the Spartans, who would be backed up by many others.

>>362355568

probably the only thing that bothers me about non-nonviolence is the fact that, all too often, the more anxious protesters/rioters start destroying failing small businesses run by people who are struggling damn hard to make ends meet *just* like the rioters.
you know, the whole bashing window/setting on fire and whatever. not that the fire has happened much at all, but i don't doubt that it will.

winter is coming up in NYC.

Can't wait to see you motherfuckers leave

>>362352528
(related to picture) I don't quite get that attitude

it's not like the conspirators/opressors invented work, money, capitalism or consumption

and at least for work and consumption, they are things which are always there - we produce, and we consume; we like to consume stuff and it's what we live for, it's always like that; everytime you get something you want and you subsequently feel good, it's consumption (in extermely wide sense - in smaller sense it's always if it's just something you look at/eat/use for pleasure, but that does neither mean that their is anything bad about it)

the problem is not consumption/'consumerism'
the problem is that people are restricted into the system

of-course they lack resistance because they are distracted with consumption, and scared to lose consumption-goods if the system breaks, but that's not inherent to consumption

>>362356067

You have to know how. And it does take numbers...

RTFM

Anarchists do not presume to prescribe a New World Order, we just invite people to reassign their trust and loyalty from symbolic ideals and authority figures, to themselves and their neighbors. The rest happens more of less by itself. The only global solution is to recognize the absurd folly of global solutions.

>>362356286


the person who drew that probably meant that consumerism is nonsense

there is no reson to buy a 500 dollar pair of jeans when a 20 dollar pair is thte exact same material with maybe a different pattern of stitching to show the brands

and thus we deny it

to say that consuming infinitely is how someone would be WITHOUT the programming of this consumption culture is nonsense

i cant support hte world being oppressed so that i can have a few toys i dont need, and then some rich candy-assgot can have a yacht, WHILE MILLIONS STARVE

picture related

>>362356067
I can understand where you're coming from, though I think it can get a bit complicated. Some of the most asshole bosses I've had were small biz places. Also, back in the day measures were taken to avoid this - at the front of a Black Bloc someone would hold a paint roller and mark which buildings were corporate. Was pretty nifty.
I think my problem with nonviolence is also more that it's enforced on the rest of us, and that the self-appointed leaders of non-violent stuff will often call the cops, even ironically attack anyone fucking shit up. You might find the Nonviolence PDF interesting, I predict more controversy around this in the future.

Also a good movie, then I'll stop overloading the thread with stuff to bookmark, called "Breaking the Spell" about the WTO riots specifically by anarchists, talking about why people smashed windows.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9073827608399871128

>>362356799

picture is ignorant

whats your point?

>>362355568
yeah it's really bullshit and mostly useful for govt. propaganda how they're bashing about being violent and stuff - force is required to counter force
but non-violence is of course right when it comes to e.g. collateral damage, 'nonsensical' destruction (like just torching a car, no matter whose/who wants to do what with it), punishing people

consider the alternative if the State encounters no resistance

>>362356799
is this guy aware that he will never control countries with his money/assets that he enslaved people to acquire and maintain?

he doesnt understand whats at stake here

>>362349495

I would discuss if OP's pic wasn't so gay.

>>362357126

ignorant view again, must be samephag posting these idiot pictures, stuff that plays on FOX NEWS

the problem is the illegal profits made by corporations, the laws passed that only benefit corporations, and the non-liability of the people running the corporations because of CORPORATE PERSONHOOD

>>362357164

Are you aware that not everyone has the desire to control everything, and most of us are, in fact, happy to have jobs, be able to work and provide for ourselves, and aren't so full of ourselves that it's a detriment to everyone else?

>>362357164

control countries? oh no, I just did well in school to survive and get somewhere in life. Not to get into debt after getting a useless shitty degree and complain about the choices I made.

>>362356724
buying prestige/premium stuff: it's not nonsensical, it has an abstract value which is given through mostly the fact that it is an expensive product

doing so does not mean supporting opression - you're of course what you could to alleviate it then, since you could give the money to ppl who need it more instead, but the money isn't gone because you give someone, and you're not taking anyone's freedom away by making a transaction

consuming 'infinitely': well as long as someone lives he consumes.. what i agree upon is that there clearly is commonly a far too high priority on consumption (stuff) in relation to resistance, alleviating opression, dire problems of non-availability etc.., and that is somehow inherent to the system which is most beneift to the rich

Nonviolent strategic conflict is the use of force to rip out the foundations of illegitimate power, without presenting hard targets to the enemy or allowing him to successfully cast you as a "dangerous terrorist". Pacifism does not mean that you can not use deadly force in legitimate self defense - only that you can not use deadly force to achieve political ends, or for purposes of revenge or intimidation.

For good anarchist hip hop search Test Their Logik.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8i8bQnfMrs
Real talk, they got charged with conspiracy and banned from communicating recently.

>>362357976
I generally agree but the problem is there's academics, non-profit bureaucrats, and other self-appointed leaders who have called the shots (and the cops for that matter) on movements since the 80s. If things are gonna get beyond the pitfalls older movements that older crusty dudes like myself have been in, we gotta reject these folks as the ideological dinosaurs they are.
I would really suggest to check out the How Nonviolence Protects the State PDF here
>>362355568
not sure if you were there for that in the thread, sorry if im pointing the same person to it again, ha.