union guys about to open a can of woop-ass on them tea party fags.

This http://motherlessbvc.info/GXRON

how many ows threads do we need on /b/????

>>358041317
>tea party
>lower middle class
>white as fuck

>union guys
>working class
>mixed ethnicities

>whoop ass
yeah, probably

Both are crazy.

you can see a guy fawkes mask and a ron paul poster in the middle of the vid somewhere, just candy-ass trolls.

Fuck Unions. they serve no useful purpose anymore. Unions extort money from fools and dont delivar anything. mfw a union worker has no brains to think for themselves.

>mfw i had one

unions are for lazy fatties and coal miners

>>358041939
>>358041971

mm individual bargaining is so effective because there totally isn't a massive power imbalance between a single worker and a corporation.

both suck
murikans cannot into revolution

>>358041939
>>358041971

The sad part is that union workers are indeed hard workers, but the union leadership is stealing their hard-earned money and using it for their own political agenda. Union workers need to stand up to this shit. The companies aren't the bad guys. Look at the leaders like Andy Stern, he's living high on the hog, when those he represents are busting their asses to help make him rich.

>>358042157
if you don't like your boss and what he's doing quit

>>358042483
some union workers work hard but the majority and the outspoken members are scum

>>358042499

Are you 12? Just quit. Yeah, my apartment will pay for itself. My car will pay for itself. My food will pay for itself. My internet access will pay for itself. Yeah, great point there.

The job market is heavily in favor of employers, the average time to find a job in America right now is 32.5 weeks. How do you survive for that duration?

Unions aren't needed anymore. Labor laws were non-existent when the unions started up, now exist! So being in a union, or forming one should be made illegal. They're nothing but thugs and domestic terrorists anymore pushing for their own political agenda.

>>358043247

yeah the early 19th century was a great place without those pesky labor laws.

>>358043247

Unions should be illegal, but not corporations? Know your history.

>>358043247
>>358043247
>>358043247

/thread

>>358043471

WAT?

you want jobs, but you want places of employment (namely corporations) to be illegal... now that's logical there.

>>358043728

No you idiot. Can you read? What is the legal history of modern corporate structure?

They used to be illegal. You don't know fuckall about what you're talking about and would do better to refrain.

Libertarians make up a large base of both.

>>trip extreme left and right
>>"our powers combined..."
>>profit

>>358044018

*strip

Tea Party vs. Occupy Wall Street?

They're just two different ways of saying "I'm angry but too lazy to think so I'm going to go be loud in front of a friendly news channel while everyone else makes fun of me but its OK because I'm a Real American!"

Fuck 'em.

>>358044009
They used to not exist. Then they were created as legal entities that are recognized as being separated (legally) from their owners. try again.

>>358044665

pretty sure this whole thing is the opposite of lazy.

>>358044665

Tea party goers are mostly employed professional level jobs.

OWS mostly unemployed or college students. In the past few days however, unions have joined them (using them as their pawns) so that they could push their own agendas.

>>358042970
well consider yourself lucky

do you have a right to a job?

fucking spent 32.5 weeks looking for a better job then quit. only an idiot quits before they have something else sorted out.

If you cant find a better job then CONSIDER YOURSELF LUCKY

did anynewt gingrich force you to buy a car, house, TV?

How can i pay for my internet (civil right?)

the only thing that makes people a slave is debt, which most people take on voluntarily. otherwise you can live of $10 a week

>>358044665

What you just said was so fucking true.

>>358045108

Sounds like you've got a horse in this race. That means you're still engaged in the political system. That means you're operating under the delusion that an electorate made up of the same people who made Oprah and Glen Beck household names could make a good decision as a group. That means you're a fucking idiot.

Getting angry about politics is like complaining that your ass is dirty after you've taken a shit.

OWS are useful idiots for marxists
TEA party are libertarians and people tired of a growing government that has been hijacked by the Republican party

>>358045158

so true. our values have changed drastically. my grandparents bought their car and house with straight cash. they had to save for a long time to do this, but they didn't borrow money or believe in borrowing. today's generation is a "satisfy me now" generation and they're getting everything on credit, and then it turns out they over-extend themselves and can't pay it back. Some of these idiots at OWS actually want all loans forgiven. WTF??

>>358045472
If you peel apart your ass cheeks and then sit down your weight will hold them apart. Depending on the consistency of the shit, you can avoid a dirty ass altogether.

>>358045633

OWS are useful idiots for the left.
TP are useful idiots for the right.

Both groups operate under the borderline delusion that a handful of idiots with different interests can somehow create meaningful change by launching psychotics into congress. Neither is willing to bleed for their agenda.

Come back when you're ready to fight, at least the Panthers came armed...

>>358045787
why shouldn't the loans be forgiven? this is wrong how?

>>358045158

You must be fucking trolling 10 dollars a week

10 fucking dollars?

you are such a massive fucking idiot

you are the member of the naive entitled fucktards that make up the sheep of america

Yeah free internet right

Well who the fuck will pay for all the infrastructure of the internet

Also look at that $1000-$400 computer your useing right now

Some Americans cant even fucking eat right now and you think blogging about ideas (WHILE NOT DOING A FUCKING THING TO CHANGE IT) and fapping to porn takes priority over HUMAN FUCKING LIFE

DIE YOU CUNT

100 dollars a week is considered EXTREME POVERTY

>>358045948

Provided the local megachurch hasn't declared your toilet seat a sin and big government hasn't decided that its a luxury that needs to be taxed, maybe.

The only difference between the two groups is which paternalistic cock they're willing to ease down their throats.

i dont even if people are trolling. i really hope so, because it would be fucking weird and sad that so many young people are so cynical and indoctrinated with free market mythology. yeah a lot of owsfags are naive but at least they are critical instead of cynical. they are taking part of a democratic movement rather than sitting on their asses like you fags who remain complicit with the systems that have disenchanted and alienated you.

A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception.
The term—a reference to the manipulation of a simple hand puppet made from a sock—originally referred to a false identity assumed by a member of an internet community who spoke to, or about, himself while pretending to be another person.
[1] The term now includes other uses of misleading online identities, such as those created to praise, defend or support a third party or organization.
[2] A significant difference between the use of a pseudonym
[3] and the creation of a sockpuppet is that the sockpuppet poses as a independent third-party unaffiliated with the puppeteer.

>>358046229

Banks get their money how? From people who open savings accounts and from investors in CDs and other like items. Why should you go buy your new iphone with borrowed money, and then say fuck it, i don't want to pay the money back. forgive my loan obama!

you are an ass!

>>358046041
true, I'd love to see a real libertarian revolution.. even a bloody one..


"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." -Thomas Jefferson

>>358045787

Another fucking idiot

Well lets break this shit down.

You have the following options to live in America

-Kill yourself now and stay debt free

-Get in massive debt and go to college

-Scrape by in a minimum wage job (which you will have to still get in debt)

-Get money from the government

>>358046718

But we won't, because things really aren't that bad.

>>358046249
100$ is extreme poverty only because of farm subusdies and property tax. Otherwise people could live off a few bucks a week. I mean look at third world coutries, they survive becuase farmers and teachers havnt lobbied yet

>>358046655

that's not how it works dumbass.

first they print the money, then they lend it. think federal reserve bank.

>>358047116

i hope the fuck you're trollin'

if not, what are my tax dollars being spent on in the public education sector? this? if so we're fucked as a nation.

go now

>>358044786


http://boards.newt gingrich.org/b/res/358044786#358046479

>>358046954

I've just finished a doctorate, I've got a job with good health insurance, my loans will be paid off within 5 years, I bought a house at the worst possible time and, because I saved a real down payment like a reasonable fucking person, even though I've lost money I'm not underwater, my parents didn't give me shit, I never took any welfare, and with the exception of a brief period in grad school when I was a full time student and had full time clinical responsibilities I've never been without a job.

So in short, its really not my fault if you're lazy. Some people fail.

>>358046993
As a strong libertarian, I'd disagree, but I'm probably a bit of an extremist.

>>358045158

okay, asshole. how do you plan to pay your share of the public debt of the u.s. government? that's $45,000 per person as of 2009. cough it up, asshole. you shouldn't have voted these assholes in if you didn't want to pay your cut. cough it, up.

>>358047668
samefagging shamelessly must see

>>358047072
Well, the ones that don't die of cholera, malaria, civil war, childbirth, or childhood malnutrition survive anyway.

>>358045633
No tea party are people that want to have their cake and eat it.
it may have been started by libertarians but once Beck and his ilk threw their weight behind it, it became a reactionary Soccer mom orgy

>>358047679

If you disagreed strongly enough you'd be armed and looking for like minds. You're not a strong libertarian, you're a fantasist.

well... i just lost all feelings of support for the OWS protesters. both sides have a point.

>>358047945
That is why I said it was highjacked.. it WAS libertarians and smaller government folks.. now its just a wing of the Republican party

>>358047945

have you been to one? I don't think so. Well go to one, before regurgitating what you heard from the liberal media.

>>358048096
>implying I'm not armed

>>358047945
>No [increasingly irrelevant movement] are people that want to have their cake and eat it.
it may have been started by [group you admire] but once [figure you revile] and his ilk threw their weight behind it, it became a reactionary [populist group you dislike] orgy

Theres your American political discourse madlib.

>>358047816
>>358048096
>>358047930
>>358047945

see

>>358044786

>>358047072

I LIVE OFF OF 150 DOLLARS A WEEK AND I COULDN'T EAT TONIGHT

FUCK YOU!

I dont give a fuck about anything I just want a fucking job and to be debt free

Here are my expenses (before you say HURR DURR you buy too much)

-Food 30 a week (have fun it sucks I eat one meal a day)

-Rent 100 for a shitty shitty place

- 20 for a phone

Then I walk everywhere for transportation

>>358048571

I'm not implying shit. You may have nice toys, you might even live in a state where the powers that be let you carry them around, but you're not a threat. You're a middle class brat desperately clinging to the illusion that you're somehow in control.

>>358048662
>>358047893
>>358047668

The 'tea party' should be massacred.

>>358049096

Name me three political movements that shouldn't be and I'll give you the "should have payed more attention in history" badge.

>>358049096
civil rights
gay rights
womens rights

>>358048922
If that is what you want to tell yourself.
I can tell you what, if I was in Cali right now there would be blood in the streets.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/california-bill-prohibits-open-carry-of-handguns

captcha dead intalken

>>358043247
>unions not needed anymore?
Teachers can get screwed over pretty badly.
Levy doesn't pass because everyone thinks teachers get raises, so then they are spending there own money on certain things, they have 10 year old history/science books. Teachers need new things to teach to get through to students. Teachers also get lots of salery cuts, and in some states a lot of teachers can't find jobs.

Game designers, web developers/designers, and people in film are almost always over worked.
When they get a job to do, they do get paid what they should(most of the time) but they are worked to the bone, and then when its done, the time going from one project to another can take months. Which then they get screwed over.

We need unions, we need corporate greed taken away. If we could have unions being monitored correctly we can find and stop the greedy assholes that give them a bad name.

tl;dr We need unions

>>358040865
>>358040865
>>358040865

Oh look, you created a Keynesian vs. Chicago School of Economics thread. That's original. Kudos.

>>358049481
The civil rights movement was largely a failure run by deeply corrupt ministers who, despite having the numbers to demand change, relied on guilting white folks into giving them scraps while letting animals like Huey Newton play bad cop.

The women's rights movement was deeply racist, cared only for middle class women, and was largely responsible for the continued nightmare of prohibition in America.

The gay rights movement, while the least blameworthy of the three, threw the lesbians and transfolk who actually bled at stonewall under the bus the first chance they got and hasn't done much at all in the last generation. Hell, they couldn't even outfundraise Mormons in California.

>>358050014
I have one thing to say about teachers unions: tenure

that's the biggest piece of bullshit i have ever heard of. can't get fired when you're doing a fucked up job (or not doing your job at all).

if grades in america are declining, then you're not doing your job!

why is it that private schools turn out much higher quality students than public schools? no unions?

>>358049735

If is the pavise of the coward.

>>358049735

You won't do shit you fucking pussy.

You are just another idiot with a gun that would get slaughtered if you ever tried to use it against the government.

>>358048922
There will be a day when the streets will be filled with blood, and rioting and looting will run a muck.

I hope this day never comes, and the 1% and the government can change this. Unless they rather sit on their yacht and watch the world burn.

(why the world? A domino effect, one go down and then other follow. It didn't happen to Greece because they werent a power house such as america, germany, and the UK.)

>>358050522
>why is it that private schools turn out much higher quality students than public schools?

bullshit statistic. that's just not true.

faux news maor?

If your job is making shoes for 19cents a day then yes, unions will fuck up your job.

If you're me and you're an electrician, having a union means I get better pay and benefits.

By the way, I haven't been off work in 3 years, so before all you "unions have no work" assholes start in, I'd like to pre-fuck-off you.,

>>358050806

typical liberal response when losing an argument, is to bring up fox news.

>>358050981

Fuck you

I hope you get electrocuted one day

>>358050592
Some times, you have to die for what you stand for or live in tyranny.
>>358050571
I still have my 2nd amendment rights where I live, my fellow countrymen from California should be in the streets taking up arms against a tyrannical government.

>>358050981

what you mean is - "having a union means I get paid WAY MORE than my skill level deserves"
seiously - if you make more than 12-15 an hour - you are ripping people off for the low level of skill and knowledge job that you do. (Considering almost every electrical job can be done by someone with NO EXPERIENCE who can simply follow easy written instructions.
Of course you love unions - they empower people like you who have little skill or intelligence and have no desire to improve either.

>>358051460

guns are no longer needed by the public. when the consitution was written there were still many square miles of unsettled territory in the usa, hence the amendment. now that this is no longer the case, we should remove all guns from the private sector, since all they do is help criminals commit crimes. good for california for taking a step in the right direction!

>>358051460

But its all just theory for you. You and I both know you wouldn't trade your comfort for anything.

>>358051454

Why?

I've worked non union as well. I work hard. I'm not an asshole. But for me a union job is simply better.

Why would any rational person begrudge me of that?

48 PERCENT OF AMERICA

Y U NO PAY ANY FED. INCOME TAX?

>>358050522
made the original statement.

Why are private schools so better? lets take a look at their classes shall we?
A lot are religious classes. Hows that far to have classes in which you study fiction and get good grades for?

Lets not forget you have to pay to get in, which means parents want their child to not waste money. You come home with a C and you get your ass whooped.

Also sports, you need good grades for sports, and private schools are known for outstanding athletics.

3 big major factors, that were not added into statistics about that.

But tenure is bullshit, I agree. But public school teachers dont get tenure and slack off. A lot of people go into the profession to make a difference and they really like their job. We can't blame a single teacher sleeping with a student or lazy as fuck out of hundreds of hard working people that go above and beyond to educate our future.

This may have been a real movement started by real (sane) people but has since been co-opted by no less than the following:

-CIA
-the feel good uniformed liberal
-Gay rights
-Feminists
-Unions
-Anarachists
-Socalists
-Communists
-Greenies
-any other angry left wing stooge with an agenda who fell victim to the collage scam of liberal arts (among others) and student loans (You can blame public schooling for not teaching critical thinking if you want)

It's obvious that this is just the people with the REAL reigns of power solidifying their defenses by planning to play these emotionally unstable people against their other puppet group (the co-opted tea party)

tl;dr massive binary opposition cluster fuck troll fest.

>>358051316

DERP

it still doesn't make your original argument valid. there's no stats that say private school students are better quality than public school students. so fuck you.

>>358051893

dumbass - the founding fathers included the right to bear arms as protection against the government becoming a tyranny. Try reading.

>>358051817

You've obviously never tried to be an electrician and probably have little to no idea what it fully entails.

>>358052311

Obvious troll was obvious.

>>358052030
not all private schools are religious....

>>358051999
I pay $30 bucks every two weeks for a $200 paycheck. I dont think of it as losing. We get that all back at the end of the tax year.

I don't see why we don't all pay it.(I thought it was mandatory anyway)

I'm a terrified, selfish, whiny little baby who wants to contribute nothing to society. That's why I automatically am terrified of government. Instead of trying to correct it's faults, work to improve it, and have the government work to help people, I want to make the government totally powerless and inept so that corporations control everything and exploit the workers and consumers.

>>358051893

the sheer stupidity of liberals never ceases to amaze me.

The following is my predicted system for controlling and manufacturing a revolution in the current era:

Create an enemy – The perfect revolution needs a perfect villain. The Communist Revolutions used the rich, the Fascists used minority groups. The enemy will be responsible for the problems you have around you, the more you re-enforce that the more people will be swayed.

Make use of imagery – The enemy may not be killing those around you, but it's best to paint them as they are. Sensationalism and one-sidedness will be your weapons. Remember to always use the images of the enemy retaliating against you and never the image of you striking.

>>358052921

Make use of Sockpuppeting – The career posters and pseudointellectuals often portray themselves as anti-conformist, but the ultimate irony is that anti-conformity carries the same emphasis on popularity. Master the art of sockpuppeting, make the fight against the enemy seem bigger and more supported. You will attract the anti-conformists by making it seem relatively popular.

Emphasize vagueness – You want everyone to join you in your new fight against the enemy, however, specific points may turn people away. While you're building your new army you must be vague about what you want. Keep things short, use broad terms that are harder to be seen as overt, stick with “Us VS them!” or “We demand freedom from X!” be vague but maintain the idea that it's a fight for everyone against the enemy.

Encourage Suppression – Make use of those who are true believers, questioning is never good, it may make people in the group see what's happening. Paint those who don't understand the “true cause” as being sympathetic with or planted by the enemy. Make those who do question the movement fear being cast out.

Make Use of New Media – Only cite or give insight to media that supports your cause, this will often be blogs or social web communities. The Mainstream Media is mainstream for a reason, they will focus on both viewpoints as opposed to yours. You must also enforce the idea that the media is controlled by your enemy.

Provoke attacks against yourself – Willfully provoke attacks against your group. This goes hand and hand with using imagery. So long as you can justify provocation with fiery rhetoric you can paint those tasked with enforcing the law as working with the enemy.

as a canadian, i love watching how fucking dumb you americans are. crying about fucking everything like little babies.

your country is so fucking divided now its not even funny, oh wait it is. LOL

keep at it america, the whole world is laughing at you

>>358052395

dumbass, Im an audio engineer. which means I most certainly know more than you about all things electrical. Including the fact that the only union electricians I run into are overpaid, lazy-ass stage and hookup electricians who I spend most of my time going behind, telling them what to do, or fixing their work. So dont try your "Im an expert" bullshit.

>>358051893
It seems you don't understand WHY we have a second amendment.
here is a nice hint, it is not for self defense against natives and bears

The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.
-Thomas Jefferson

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Quoting Cesare Beccaria)


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson

>>358052311
>>358052835

lotta samefaggin' up in here

>>358052395

I use a nonunion electrician. He was born in Mexico. The motherfucker swam across a deadly river and then walked through a desert to make it to this country. Then he managed to get papers and a clean goddamn social security number basically by working his ass off and collecting the right favors. The guy does incredible electrical work, charges half of what the local unions guys charge, knows how to save money, completes the job in about two thirds of the time, and he does the work himself instead of using an apprentice or a journeyman and taking a cut for watching. I've passed hardcore city inspections with this guy's work because he gives a shit and he values the opportunity to make a living.

>>358051910
You're wrong.

>>358052608
a good majority I would say, and my points 2 and 3 still remain.

But I will say private school is tougher most of them have a different grading scale 83% = C
95%= A
It's gotta be tough being a student but with the enviornment they grow up in they were brought up to achieve excellence not like public schools(I would say city school, and schools with less money to use as public schools in nice towns with enough money for new books and devices every 5 years or so)

I say there are too many factors to make private schools better because of no unions.

That we can both agree on I hope.

There isnt a person from america who knows what a tax is.
please see europe and Canada

>>358040865

this video made me sad for OWS. I'm nearly in tears. I can't believe something like that could turn into this.
I miss our 'united' states :(

>>358053389

Well, there isn't a revolution and you aren't on the news for having been shot by the legions of halfbright boys in blue that turn out everytime one of their own takes a hit so, you know, prove it.

>>358053370

Cool story Mexican slave owner

EFG at Wallstreet

I need some help describing a political viewpoint.

What kind of political stance is it where you want the government to control a lot of different things, and actively try to aid and help people in their daily lives, providing lots of different government programs? Something where you want the government to be relegated to a self-defense force, and the country to be mostly isolationist and self-reliant. Something where you want government to control and regulate massive companies to make sure that they are doing business ethically, keeping their employees and consumers safe, etc. Something where only a limited amount of people are allowed to vote and run for public office, some of the requirements might be completing schooling, public service, etc. So basically policies like all of that.

Try to keep the smartass answers to a minimum. I just need a correct term.

>>358053165
This hat is really annoying me right now.

>Most of the world hates us more because they don't know what Canada is(other than lumberjacks, igloos, annoying french speaking people and maple syrup exporter)

>>358053629

Exactly what those in power want...

THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF1Ixo_faas

>>358053908

The guy makes enough money to own his own place and put his kids through private school with cash. But hey, thanks for playing.

>>358053789
Give it time.

>>358054465

Thats what they always say.

>be 25
>still live with parents, paying $20 a week board.
>work a minimum wage job
>have saved up $60,000 in the past 4 years

I plan to live with my parents until i can afford to buy a house. which in my neighborhood cost around $150,000.

I pay for my internet, phone and car (which is a little shitty hyundai) that i learnt to service and repair by myself so i dont have to spend a fortune to get it done by a professional.

I only have 3rd party insurance so im at least covered if i am at fault.

>>358053629
>I miss our 'united' states
I'm sorry friend we can't go back to way things were. We must move forward, for a better tomorrow. A new tomorrow in which a government can govern under the people for the people without corruption/big business assisting.

(It all started with Watergate)

1:46 "candy ass"

lold

>>358054659
Lies.

>>358053256

Jesus, an audio engineer. Fuck, I didn't know who I was dealing with. And apparently you fix electrical work too. Shit.

Look man. I could say something silly like "you're just some jerk that pushes a few buttons and you could be replaced by my 19 year old cousin that DJ's weddings" but lets be honest. There's more to what you do than that.

I'm sorry you know where I'm coming from. I'm even sorrier that you think you do. But if you ever spent a week with me on the job it would open your eyes.

>>358053370

That's very nice, but I don't believe the part about a clean SSN. He's underbidding because he's illegal and you and I both fucking know it.

>>358054321

You're not even a very good liar.

>>358054800

If I had a dollar for every time big business was blamed instead of corrupt government, Id be a fat filmaker with a baseball cap.

>>358054659
>I only have 3rd party insurance so im at least covered if i am at fault.
I thought it was the law to atleast cover the other person if at fault.

Also you must spend under 1k a year for that type of insurance. Way to save money bro.

Tips for people who no nothing on cars(other than L2fixcar) on how to save money?

>>358055208

yeah there is more to what I do, since I have an MS degree and am working on my PhD.

So - what DO you do for a week?

>>358054980

lol, it was probably a /b/ tard that said it.

>>358054606
Well there isn't a revolution because as a whole, people don't believe in true liberty anymore, we want more and more government.. the Republicans and Democrats are both big government parties.. each with their own agenda that want to impose their form of tyranny on the rest of the country.. and the American people are more than willing to sacrifice liberty for tyranny.

>>358055268
I loled, and I must say. Corruption is(mostly) due to corporation who buy politicians to lean on bills and laws to their favor.

"If this bill doesnt pass, you can be sure the _______ will have your back for re-election"

Also former lobbyist of corporations have become politicians just to get two pay checks(which will be under the table money that they receive from the corporations)

Agree on any of this?

>>358055545
That's what i meant when i said i was covered.

The insurance will pay to repair the other persons car, but not mine.

>>358054074
typical American response, like i said were all laughing at how stupid you people are

>>358055545
He is lying. He cannot make minimum wage and save 15k a year still. While supposedly paying for insurance and other monthly shit.

And no you only need liability insurance.

As for getting your car fixed you should just study a bit for real (it's not that fucking difficult) Or get in good with someone that knows their shit. Or even act like you have a good enough knowledge so that when you do take it to a shop they don't take you on a run for your money.

>>358055208

Its Chicago, man. A clean SSN really isn't that tough to get. His bid is around $25 an hour but he ends up coming under comparable bids because he works fast and doesn't pad, he lives in the burbs, and he gets a discount from the parish that runs his kid's school because he does their work at cost.